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#51 bobobobodfwofof
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XBOX360>TRASHSTATION 3.
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#52 Runningflame570
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The PS3 uses a high wattage GPU based off a PC GPU. I don't know the exact number for RSX but the Cell and RSX use 385 watts!

rexoverbey
Wrong, tests have been done that shows the PS3 using a mere 25-30 watts more than 360 pretty much uniformly (except in idle where the difference is much closer).
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#53 Idonomeus
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All I look at is the games and 360 has better ones. I don't really care how those games come to my screen as long as they are good.
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#54 Taiko88
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k umm which pictures are for which console..BigDizz
Ok the text that says everything is uber awesome is the PS3, the other you can figure out, after all it's the hardware that matters in me playing my awesome graphic games on my Xbox360 which is x10 better than the PS3.
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#55 lilrush
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XBOX360>TRASHSTATION 3.bobobobodfwofof
You are easily one of the biggest , most annoying, and most obnoxious lems on this forum. How do you figure the PS3 is trash when it's built wayyy better than the xbox 360? Only a blind fanboy couldn't see that. If I was a lem I would apply my 360 several times to your head for making lems look so bad.
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#56 lilrush
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All I look at is the games and 360 has better ones. I don't really care how those games come to my screen as long as they are good.Idonomeus
This has nothing to do with topic. Topic is how they are physically constructed, and has little to do with the actual games as oppose to the consoles durability.
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#57 machitocaliente
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HIGH WATTAGE = HIGH HEAT LOW WATTAGE = LOW HEAT ^^^ It's pretty elementary understanding.
YEA, BUT THE XBOX CONSUMES A LOT...

INFACT. 360 I CONSUMES ALMOST AS MUCH AS THIS BEAST PC.

CPU: Intel Core 2 X6800  BEAST
Video Card: Foxconn GeForce 7950GT  BEAST
Motherboard: Intel DX975XBX BEAST
Audio: Creative X-Fi Fatal1ty  BEAST
Memory: 4GB DDR2 6400 BEAST

CAN YOU SAY INEFICIENT CRAP?

http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-356-1.htm



LOOK AT THE  360 AVERAGE 176w  LOL...



AND IDLE?    LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL




LOL. THAT PC IS A HUGE     HUGE   MONSTER. YET CONSUMES LESS.
Core 2 X6800  IIS THE MOST POWERFUL CPU IN EXISTENCE + 4GB OF MEMORY !!!!!


 . 360 IS A FREAKING OVEN . YOU CANOT SPIN THAT.

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#58 machitocaliente
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[QUOTE="BigDizz"]k umm which pictures are for which console..Taiko88
Ok the text that says everything is uber awesome is the PS3, the other you can figure out, after all it's the hardware that matters in me playing my awesome graphic games on my Xbox360 which is x10 better than the PS3.




IM NOT SAYING PS3 IS UBER, I SAID IS A FRANKENSTEIN . WHAT KIND OF COMPLEMENT IS THAT?

IS JUST BETTER BUILD.  AND CLOSER 2 THIS



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#59 bluebrad1974
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http://forums.xbox.com/281/ShowForum.aspx No images needed. Build quality isn't even close. PS3 takes it by a mile.asmallchild
The PS3's hardware choice's aren't even geared towards gaming, so actually the 360 has better gaming hardware.
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#60 machitocaliente
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[QUOTE="asmallchild"]http://forums.xbox.com/281/ShowForum.aspx No images needed. Build quality isn't even close. PS3 takes it by a mile.bluebrad1974
The PS3's hardware choice's aren't even geared towards gaming, so actually the 360 has better gaming hardware.

ps3 huge fan + ton of heatpipes + lots of aluminum fins = not geared towards gaming, but puny aluminum heatsink is? ok. na, i know what you mean. it might be. but is useless if your console has problems running . the topic is = BETTER BUILD Q.
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#61 theboxmike
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Those capacitors on the 360 acually look pretty good.......

though i do agree with most of the post

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#62 imprezawrx500
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my pc has better cooling than both, sony has still only used aluminium for most of the cooling, but m$ has really cut it cheap on cooling, doesn't even have a heat spreader on the chips like sony and that gpu cooler looks like its off a buget sub $100 pc graphics card, but if coils are bad how come $400 pc motherboards use them?
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#63 imprezawrx500
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YES. GET IT 2 YOUR BRAIN.  ITS NOT ENOUGH

THE COOLING STINKS. ( MAINLY THE GPU COOLING)

IN THE " PC WORLD " THERE IS NOT A SINGLE HIG END  / LOW END PASSIVE VIDEOCARD  THAT RUNS COOL

THEY  USE  MASSIVE  ALUMINIUM HEATSINKS PLUS TON OF HEAT PIPES  LIKE THESE  AND REQUIERE REALLY GOOD AIRFLOW










YOU ARE TELLING ME THIS PASSIVE POS IS ENOUTGH FOR THE MIGTHY  XENOS









machitocaliente

exactly it looks like its from a gf 7300 likes this

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#64 imprezawrx500
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Tell me how the 360's tiny vga cooler is meant to work as well as this? 

It has huge cooper fins all the way round with a huge heatpie joining them and a big pure copper base, no console has cooling anywhere as good as this

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#65 -Reggaeton-
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Well it explains the heat =D
Im scared that 360 will burn down my apartment someday.
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#66 -Reggaeton-
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[QUOTE="machitocaliente"][QUOTE="rexoverbey"][QUOTE="Marka1700"]TC sounds like one of them people who would spend $1000 in a PC on performance parts, CPU, Ram, Graphics Card Ect, and spend $1500 on cooling gear.rexoverbey
Exactly he is showing $50-100 aftermarket heatsinks and comparing it to a $300 console heatsink. For one the PS3 heatsink doesn't compare to any of those shown either. Not to mention the fan is on the bottom of the unit! WTF? Second the 360 GPU is clcoked throttled which you are not going to find in a PC GPU. Plus he fails to realise that the 360 gpu only uses a mere 35 watts and that includes the eDram! Find any recent PC GPU which does that.... Guess what!?! The PS3 uses a high wattage GPU based off a PC GPU. I don't know the exact number for RSX but the Cell and RSX use 385 watts!

low consumption on IDLE. try LOAD.

That is under load try again. The whole system is only at 200 watts.


With that heat? No your wrong! And its CELL AND RSX. Your fanboyism is shining trough your sig.
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#67 TOAO_Cyrus1
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The 360's cooling solution is not passive it is actually close to ATi's GPU cooler design. The fans are off to the side blowing (or sucking) air over the heatsink instead of being directly on top of the heatsink.



Passive my ass.



as you can see the fan sucks air over the heatsink just like the 360.
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#68 Zenkuso
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If your a pc gamer then don't waste your time discussing these kind of things with console gamers, its to complex for them to understand hardware design and modification. Its like trying to crack a nut with a feather, it'll never happen.
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#69 decentgamer4
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I doubt that people base their deisions on heat cooler specs.
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#70 silverjiken
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PS3 rocks!!
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#71 trasherhead
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And still with that big a** fan its still silent.
With that in mind, what is actualy making all the noice in the 360?
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#72 trasherhead
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xbox360 has two 60 milimeter exhaust fans that pull cool air across heatsink fins and out the back of console.

ps3 has crappier build quality, outdated crap gpu, and crap cpu for gaming, cell cant access xdr+ gddr3...only rsx can use gddr3 +xdr, ..plus the ps3's fan sucks, also the ps3 gpu rsx has 256 mb gddr3 located on the gpu pcb heating up gpu.

bobobobodfwofof

sarcasm or BS?
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#73 EvilSpeaker
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idon't know what u guys talking about, my Xbox360 inside look like this...

 

lol, just kidding, it's a little modding to eliminated noise

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#75 asmallchild
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You can throw all the hardware specs and pictures at me that you want. I will go by other consumers' and my own experiences. http://forums.xbox.com/281/ShowForum.aspx That's all I need to know.
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#76 Rashpal
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[QUOTE="Cubs360"]Wow, I think I'll get rid of my 360 now! Not!machitocaliente
thats not the point. but i would not buy a ps3 nor a 360 right now. ps3 is a flop. with a price drop? perhaps 360 is unreliable. if the fix it? perhaps...

I'm confused. You argue that PS3's build quality is of a very high standard and yet you bemoan it's price? Like someone else posted here; you get what you pay for. Do you think price drops won't constitute a rethink of that build quality?
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#77 Rashpal
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[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"][QUOTE="metalmonkey268"]Makes sense.
Sony knows hardware.
Microsoft doesn't.


Explain the PS2.

I've had mine since launch. One disc read error messaged solved by cleaning the lens. Your point?
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#78 danielsmith2020
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I can't believe that lemmings are arguing about something they have no knowledge on.
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#79 Realtop
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[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"][QUOTE="metalmonkey268"]Makes sense.
Sony knows hardware.
Microsoft doesn't.


Explain the PS2.

I've had mine since launch. One disc read error messaged solved by cleaning the lens. Your point?



Lol. That’s funny, that's actually the way to solve the disc error problem (at least it worked for me).

And I don't know what you guys try to prove, but I can see that ps3 is a higher quality system (For 600$ it should be.).
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#80 machitocaliente
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my pc has better cooling than both, sony has still only used aluminium for most of the cooling, but m$ has really cut it cheap on cooling, doesn't even have a heat spreader on the chips like sony and that gpu cooler looks like its off a buget sub $100 pc graphics card, but if coils are bad how come $400 pc motherboards use them?imprezawrx500



actually   the cooling is better widouth heat spreader (if you have a smooth base)
its just a protection feature ( avoid cracking of the core)

plus ALUMINIUM CONDUCTS HEAT FASTER AND COOPER ABSORBS  IT BETTER
ITS A PERFECT COMBO ( MOST GOOD COLLING SOLUTION USE THE 2)

JUST LOOK AT THE HUGE DISIPATION AREA PROVIDED BY THE SEVERAL LAYERS OF ALUMINIUM




 THE  HEAT /VAPOR TRAVELS  INSIDE THE COPPER HEAT PIPES 
  THAT PIERCE TRU THE ALU FINS  THAT +  THE AIRFLOW + MASSIVE LAYERS OF THIN ALUMINIUM FINS DO THE REST OF THE JOB

DO YOU HAVE SPLIT AIR   CONDITIONING ? OPEN THE INNER UNIT AND TAKE A LOOK ITS SORT OF  "SIMILAR" CONCEPT




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#81 Realtop
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Mate, you made a point to the people who are wiling to understand it, the problem is there aren't many people like that around here. :P
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#83 SeptimusV_basic
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[QUOTE="machitocaliente"]
ok. i have no bias here. IMHO, both consoles equally suck and are severely overhyped compared to a mid / hig end pc.BUT,  thats not the point here, they do have cool games, and so they constitute a  valid  option  for  YOUR  gaming  needs.


360 has a more efficient / dev friendly architecture. unified shaders and ram, good gpu, mediocre cpu... 
 BUT, they dropped the ball here :  thermal design and cooling solution ( they whent cheap )

ps3 has a broken hardware design. Sony and  IBM engineers created a frankenstein here, it has power, but it's not efficient nor dev friendly in any way  BUT  Sony didnt follow  M$ cheap / criminal / shameless   "cooling solution" ideas ,  so  the overall build quality and thermal design  of the ps3 is EXCELLENT

LETS TAKE A LOOK...


PS3 HAS  ROBUST ACTIVE COOLING







Heat pipes






Fan (16cm)





 

360 HAS PUNY  PASSIVE COOLING








PASSIVE GPU  COOLING ^                                                                        PASSIVE CPU  COOLING  ^

   



THOSE  TINY COOLERS  IN THE BACK ARE SYSTEM COOLERS,   ERGO  THE DAMAGE ON THE GPU / CPU IS ALREADY ONE , ALL THEY DO  IS TRY 2  ATTENUATE THE HEAT PROBLEM

TO MAKE MATTERS EVEN WORST THE GPU HEATSINK  IS LOCATED DIRECTLY ABOVE THE DVD DRIVE EFFECTIVELY BLOCKING  CIRCULATION OF THE HOT AIR TO THE OUTSIDE.


BUILD QUALITY

360   USE OF COILS + CHEAP ARSE CAPACITORS
 





VERSUS  NO COILS + expensive  Conductive Polymer Aluminum Solid Capacitors in the ps3



















































The Mercedes-Benz of Console gaming indeed.
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#84 machitocaliente
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Passive my ass.



as you can see the fan sucks air over the heatsink just like the 360.
TOAO_Cyrus1


NO.




 IT ONLY SUCKS HOT AIR OUT. IT DSNT BLOW  ANY COOL AIR OVER THE HEATSINK


THIS IS DHES ACTIVE  COOLING










THIS IS THE POOR PASSIVE COOLING




































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#85 Runningflame570
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And still with that big a** fan its still silent.
With that in mind, what is actualy making all the noice in the 360?
trasherhead
Actually its probably in part BECAUSE of that fan, its large, but low RPM.
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#86 machitocaliente
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SMALLER 4 THE LAZY









PASSIVE COOLING DONE WORNG




























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#87 rage8669
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no wonder the ps3 is so big. they managed to fit a turbine engine in there.
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#88 machitocaliente
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idon't know what u guys talking about, my Xbox360 inside look like this...

lol, just kidding, it's a little modding to eliminated noise

EvilSpeaker
thermaltake fan are really noisy. try Scythe S-FLEX
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#89 Cedmln
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No wonder the 360 heats up so much.
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#90 machitocaliente
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[QUOTE="EvilSpeaker"]

idon't know what u guys talking about, my Xbox360 inside look like this...

lol, just kidding, it's a little modding to eliminated noise

machitocaliente
thermaltake fan are really noisy. try Scythe S-FLEX



nice mod anyway :wink:
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#91 machitocaliente
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[QUOTE="machitocaliente"][QUOTE="Cubs360"]Wow, I think I'll get rid of my 360 now! Not!Rashpal
thats not the point. but i would not buy a ps3 nor a 360 right now. ps3 is a flop. with a price drop? perhaps 360 is unreliable. if the fix it? perhaps...

I'm confused. You argue that PS3's build quality is of a very high standard and yet you bemoan it's price? Like someone else posted here; you get what you pay for. Do you think price drops won't constitute a rethink of that build quality?

price is a factor. build q is other. but where are the killer games? price drop would be a nice incentive.
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#92 OMGTEHGRUKWTF
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I MAEK PCITURE SO YUO UNDERSTANDS LAWL
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#93 OMGTEHGRUKWTF
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PERHAPS ONE DAY YOU SIMPLE-MINDED CREATURES WILL BE ABLE TO APPRECIATE THE COMPLEXITY OF WHAT I HAVE DONE.
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PERHAPS ONE DAY YOU SIMPLE-MINDED CREATURES WILL BE ABLE TO APPRECIATE THE COMPLEXITY OF WHAT I HAVE DONE.
OMGTEHGRUKWTF


It all makes SENSE NOW
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#95 CwlHeddwyn
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@ OP

good thread- even as a lemming it certainly hasnt surprised me that the components inside the PS3 are more expensive & of a higher quality than the X360- the price difference certainly reflect this.

But dont forget 1 important thing- the CELL throws off a lot more heat than the Xenon- therefore Sony HAD to use the best heating possible or they'd end up selling very expensive bricks.

Cooling problems has been an issue with the Xbox 360 but thats shown to be mainly down to user error- ppl covered up the vents of the console etc

MS obviously wanted to keep costs down with the X360 thats why the components are relatively cheap- but also they wanted to keep the size of the console down- that could reduce the heat dissipation if there isnt enough room inside the console. However the console does have an external PSU which obviously reduces internal heat.

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#96 thinicer
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SMALLER 4 THE LAZY



machitocaliente


That is not how it works. Cool air is sucked in from three places on the console. Horizontally, air is sucked in from the top & sides, passing over the heatsinks, and then is expelled out through the back of the console. If there is "increasing heat inside" then all 360s will be red hot all the time and would break down. Mine cools very well - my console is never hot to the touch and the cooling works as it should.

I think what happens is people put their 360s in an enclosure of some type so that the air surrounding the 360 is also warm. This is not condusive to a healthy enviornment for computer electronics.
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#97 OMGTEHGRUKWTF
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The real problem is that the X-Box 360 uses lead-free solder, which is destroyed by heat. This isn't helped by the fact that the cooling is so horrible.
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#98 atarigrad
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Doesn't Sony have a HISTORY of CHEAP hardware. PS1 lense fallout. PS2 Disc read errors.
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#99 machitocaliente
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[QUOTE="machitocaliente"]SMALLER 4 THE LAZY



thinicer


That is not how it works. Cool air is sucked in from three places on the console. Horizontally, air is sucked in from the top & sides, passing over the heatsinks, and then is expelled out through the back of the console. If there is "increasing heat inside" then all 360s will be red hot all the time and would break down. Mine cools very well - my console is never hot to the touch and the cooling works as it should.

I think what happens is people put their 360s in an enclosure of some type so that the air surrounding the 360 is also warm. This is not condusive to a healthy enviornment for computer electronics.




 "Cool air is sucked in from three places on the console". "passing over the heatsinks, and then is expelled out through the back of the console"
  

EXPELLED OUT THROUGH THE BACK IS THE ONLY CORRECT PART OF YOUR ANALYSIS
COOL AIR ITS NOT PASSING TROW THE HEATSINK AT ANY TIME..  INTERNAL HOT AIR IS EXPELLED OUT OF THE  CASE.  YOU NEED A FRONT COOLER  2  DO THAT.
it would require an inmense amount of RPM FROM THE BACK 2 DO THAT.

the a mount of cool air sucked from the outside  is  minimun, insufficient and constrained ( specially gpu)

"In from three places,  Horizontally, air is sucked in from the top & sides "

 from the  outside IT MAY LOOK THAT WHAY. inside is another story.  THE outisde air influence is  not direct.
 It dosnt reach the gpu.It dosnt reach the cpu correctly .outisde air influence its INDIRECT and mostly PERIPHERAL.

3 most are RED HOT  ALL THE TIME.

 

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#100 Carmilla31
Member since 2005 • 3335 Posts
The PS3 has a flex compacitor so it automatically wins.