$399 PC to take on the PlayStation 4

There is no PC at 400 dollars that will take on the PS4. If you are going to build a PC, spend 800 dollars+ and do it right. NEWMAHAY

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[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

Spec wars between PCs are always beyond stupid, nobody cares what PC you can or cant build with 400$, it wont play PS4 games, it wont play any first or third party exclusives that make the PS4 worth buying, my current gaming rig blows the PS3 out of the water and yet i've had more fun with it than with my PC, despite my steam game collection. My PS console still stands tall when it comes to delivering appealing games.

I love PC gaming, but i don't give a damn about raw power, what good is the raw power when the games i want to play the most are only on consoles or specifically the PS3/PS4. Pointless.

 

AgentA-Mi6

What PS3 games you find more appealing ? 

For the past two months all i wanted to play was The Last of Us, now i'm looking forward to Beyond: 2 souls. I have to finish DMC on PS3, but other than that i'm not in the mood for gaming. I just finished playing Cod WaW on PC for like the 6th time, i also have a renegade ME playthrough i began last week on PC, i intend to finish the trilogy on renegade.

I'm not interested in any upcoming PC game as of right now. Shadowfall, InFamous the second son and the order 1886 do interest me.

Will be playing The Last of Us today, but recent youtube videos about AI and gameplay issues kinda undermined my expectations for this game.

Beyond: 2 souls will be an interactive movie. Not very interested.

DMC, as it´s a multiplat, is played better on PC at 1080p and 60fps. I got it from greenmangaming day 1 for 36$.

Cod WaW is the best COD this gen in my opinion. Completed it like 3 times.

By some reason, I am kinda tired of AAA titles. Playing on steam Psyconauts and some cool indie games such as The Swapper, The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing and Prime World: Defenders.

To be honest, we could argue the toss about the long running cheapness. I myself am very much a believer in "If I don't spend my money on this, I'll spend it on something else a week later". clyde46

I'm not going to argue, because there is no way I can prove it, nor can anyone prove it wrong. I'm just stating what my eperience has been as a PC and console gamer.

Console gaming has never felt 'cheaper' to me because of all the money I spend on pricier accessoires and now online gaming will be subscription based on both Xbox and PS.

Consolites keep pointing at the PCs initial cost, but that is not looking at the full picture.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

with $700 you can  build a PC that destroys the ps4 and also in the long run will be cheaper, no online fees, cheaper games.

not to mention that the pc is also for everything else and ps4 can only play game poorly compared to the pc.

R4gn4r0k

A console is cheaper to purchase initially. But if you buy lots of games and want to play on line you'll actually be cheaper off with PC in the long run.

That's why I don't mind paying much for a good rig. I never buy overkill though, always look at price/performance.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Have you not heard of things like OPM :? Yes its absolute madness to suggest official sites/mags will give more than favourable scores :roll: Kane04

A publication that has less than 50 reviews and the most recent one is from 2003 or 2004 is not saying much lol,you can find dozens of console ones in that position.

Something more current you can find?

Maybe PC gamer,a well known and still existing PC oriented site,perhaps the biggest one that scores games?

http://www.metacritic.com/publication/pc-gamer?filter=games

Interesting isn´t it?

Invalid argument. Sony has buried the cost of the system in PS+. $399 gets you a system that can't even play the majority of games, aka no online the whole gen. 

Let's do a real world sample. PS4 at $399 + 6yrs. PS+ at $300 = $699. Or conversely, X1 at $500 + $360 Live Gold = $860. So either console will run you $700-800 over a gen for basic functionality.

I did a complete build set for $595 that matches PS4. Includes 3 brand new games as well. PC at those specs is actually paying less for more.

I've spent much more on pc, and it's not like I buy into every steam sale. I've played and beaten just about every big console game this gen, and only had to pay my gamefly fee. If I want to keep a game, they charge me like $35-40 for a brand new game. I guess you could argue that pc is the cheapest because pirating is a lot easier and is so prevalent on torrent sites, but that brings up a whole bunch of other issues about why publishers pay the least attention to pc and give us sht console ports or ports that come much later if at all.Mandingo101

No, I'm not talking about piracy. Why are you so keen on screwing developers out of making money ? 

In order to compare averages they'd have to be using similar sites and number of reviews.blue_hazy_basic

I did a complete build set for $595 that matches PS4. Includes 3 brand new games as well. PC at those specs is actually paying less for more.

gamecubepad

[QUOTE="GarGx1"]To play all console exclusives next gen you'll need to buy all 3 next gen consoles.(...) gets many more exclusives than all 3 combined (...)Kane04

Not having a 360 you missed out on 3 of the console exclusives series I listed, you may not care but you still can't play them.

As for PC exclusives, here's a sample from this year alone.

http://uk.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29333278/pc-exclusives---2013-and-beyond

Some of them are/will be sh!te, some of them are/will be good and some them are/will be great but it's not bad for a years worth of releases. How many exclusives are the consoles getting this year, you can include 2014 for all 3 next gen consoles as well if you want.

On topic, no you can't build a PC for £349 (or it's extremely unlikely) that matches a PS4, this year. That's the thing about an ever changing and evolving system. Next year you will be able to. Besides why would you want to build a PC as weak as a PS4?

Before there's anymore 8gb GDDR5. GDDR5 as system RAM would seriously gimp a real CPU which is why we only need it on graphics cards.

It's possible I think. But what does it matter? You will still not be able to play console exclusives.

You won't play games like the last of us on a pc, if you're pc only, you're missing out...on almost everything.

Suppaman100

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]In order to compare averages they'd have to be using similar sites and number of reviews.Kane04

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I did a complete build set for $595 that matches PS4. Includes 3 brand new games as well. PC at those specs is actually paying less for more.

Kane04

It's in every post I make.:P Alas, I'll do the heavy lifting for you.

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$399 PC now so you can play games today at mediumish settings and progressively lower them throughout the lifespan of the PS4. 

If you're building a PC just to have graphics a little above the level of a console. Save yourself a massive headache and buy a console or drop the money on a real PC.

PC gaming isn't cheap to start off. Don't let delusional fanboys or over sensationalized articles by PC oriented websites fool you. If you want a solid gaming PC that will play the latest games you gotta spend some money up front and upgrade at least the GPU every 2-3 years. 

It's not insanely expensive ($1200 for a brand new PC with a monitor, OS, keyboard, and mouse is not asking much) and you're going to get a much better deal on video games as well as a much larger library. There is also a lot of benefits of having a nice PC as well. Software packages, internet, general productivity, stuff like that all done on a PC and having a really powerful PC with a nice monitor is a great way to do all of that stuff.

Consoles compliment a PC for a gamer. A console cannot replace a PC.

Wasdie

In my country and several others, it's just not possible to build a PC with similar specs at that price, or even close. And even if it was possible, it would not be as reliable or as easy to use. Which is why the average person won't choose a PC over a console.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]In order to compare averages they'd have to be using similar sites and number of reviews.Kane04

you realize that metacritic does not give all reviews the same "weight" when calculating a metascore right?  According to one study, places like IGN and OPM/Planet Xbox are given some of the highest weightings, while PC gamer is given only a medium weighting. http://gamasutra.com/view/news/189448/Full_Sail_study_attempts_to_shed_light_on_Metacritics_weighting_system.php

And having PC publications reviewing only PC games is not the same as an official magazine licensed from console manufacturers

[QUOTE="Kane04"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]In order to compare averages they'd have to be using similar sites and number of reviews.lostrib

you realize that metacritic does not give all reviews the same "weight" when calculating a metascore right?  According to one study, places like IGN and OPM/Planet Xbox are given some of the highest weightings, while PC gamer is given only a medium weighting. http://gamasutra.com/view/news/189448/Full_Sail_study_attempts_to_shed_light_on_Metacritics_weighting_system.php

And having PC publications reviewing only PC games is not the same as an official magazine licensed from console manufacturers

with $700 you can  build a PC that destroys the ps4 and also in the long run will be cheaper, no online fees, cheaper games.

not to mention that the pc is also for everything else and ps4 can only play game poorly compared to the pc.

MK-Professor

In my country and several others, it's just not possible to build a PC with similar specs at that price, or even close. And even if it was possible, it would not be as reliable or as easy to use. Which is why the average person won't choose a PC over a console.

Martin_G_N

Yeah that's a shame. There are other parts of the world where console gaming is really expensive and people only start buying the PS3 and 360 when the next gen consoles are arriving over here.

Wish the pricing for consoles, games and PC parts was more fair around the world.

[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"]

In my country and several others, it's just not possible to build a PC with similar specs at that price, or even close. And even if it was possible, it would not be as reliable or as easy to use. Which is why the average person won't choose a PC over a console.

R4gn4r0k

Yeah that's a shame. There are other parts of the world where console gaming is really expensive and people only start buying the PS3 and 360 when the next gen consoles are arriving over here.

Wish the pricing for consoles, games and PC parts was more fair around the world.

there's also China, where consoles aren't allowed.  Or south korea where Starcraft 2 and MMOs are popular, although they may have a larger focus on internet/gaming "cafes"

there's also China, where consoles aren't allowed.  Or south korea where Starcraft 2 and MMOs are popular, although they may have a larger focus on internet/gaming "cafes"

lostrib

Very true. What part of the world are you from ? and what is the situation there ?

Can't be done, upfront costs of PC hardware will always be higher than the ones on consoles. If you want to get into PC gaming and do it right, i would recommend spending at least $750 on your first build (that's not including the peripherals like monitor, etc).

Yep, starting with PC gaming isn't cheap, but it's very much worth it!

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[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"]

In my country and several others, it's just not possible to build a PC with similar specs at that price, or even close. And even if it was possible, it would not be as reliable or as easy to use. Which is why the average person won't choose a PC over a console.

lostrib

Yeah that's a shame. There are other parts of the world where console gaming is really expensive and people only start buying the PS3 and 360 when the next gen consoles are arriving over here.

Wish the pricing for consoles, games and PC parts was more fair around the world.

there's also China, where consoles aren't allowed.  Or south korea where Starcraft 2 and MMOs are popular, although they may have a larger focus on internet/gaming "cafes"

The way I see it is...

Pay a high price for the system(PC) and save loads of ££ on the games.

or

Pay a low price for the system(CONSOLE) and spend loads of ££ on the games. 

[QUOTE="clyde46"]To be honest, we could argue the toss about the long running cheapness. I myself am very much a believer in "If I don't spend my money on this, I'll spend it on something else a week later". R4gn4r0k

I'm not going to argue, because there is no way I can prove it, nor can anyone prove it wrong. I'm just stating what my eperience has been as a PC and console gamer.

Console gaming has never felt 'cheaper' to me because of all the money I spend on pricier accessoires and now online gaming will be subscription based on both Xbox and PS.

Consolites keep pointing at the PCs initial cost, but that is not looking at the full picture.

MC is a mess when trying to compare different games from different platforms. Only the desperate want to use it in the SW game.blue_hazy_basic

Indeed... mashing scores from various review sites with different standards, methods and reputation is a disaster, MC is a mess. What makes me sad is how highly the gaming industry thinks of MC, which leads to crap like this.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

there's also China, where consoles aren't allowed.  Or south korea where Starcraft 2 and MMOs are popular, although they may have a larger focus on internet/gaming "cafes"

R4gn4r0k

Very true. What part of the world are you from ? and what is the situation there ?

oh, I'm from the US.  So we just buy whatever we want until we go into bankrupcy :P

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[QUOTE="Suppaman100"] U srs? You said and I quote: "... how is it missing out on almost everything?" referring to the PC. On which I answered it missed out on A LOT OF games that are only on consoles.Suppaman100

and that somehow = almost everything?

Even with all consoles and a PC I don't have enough time to play all the games out.....

If I just stuck with PC I still wouldn't have enough time to play through my backlog.

Also with PC I can play all of the games from PS2, Gamecube and Wii plus the systems before that.

Currently I am playing Final Fantasy Type 0 and Parasite Eve The Third Birthday on my Computer which are PSP games.

My backlog in games is just too big as is.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]MC is a mess when trying to compare different games from different platforms. Only the desperate want to use it in the SW game.Rocker6

Indeed... mashing scores from various review sites with different standards, methods and reputation is a disaster, MC is a mess. What makes me sad is how highly the gaming industry thinks of MC, which leads to crap like this.

dat industry standard!

Good job metacritic! you're killing gaming

[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"]I can't use any of the Adobe suite on a PS4. Contrary to popular System War's belief, there's actually more to do on a PC than just gaming.Shottayouth13-

It does matter to a point. We both game and spend time here. For those with a gaming PC, it does both. For those with a console, they also have to have a non-gaming PC in addition to their consoles. To me, it adds up to about even.

If you're going to get into PC gaming your might wanna do it just after when the new graphics series are out. And don't make it a cheap one. PC with save you money in the long run, a console is a 10 year cycle at a higher price.

Oh I agree, if you total everything up then PC gaming is cheaper in the long run but that doesn't really translate to the real world as people will spend their money on other things if its not gaming. I could spend £40 on a new controller for my buddies to use when they come over or I could spend it on games for my PC. Both will give me entertainment. clyde46

Controllers are frikkin expensive. I bought a lot of controllers for gamecube and 360 but when my friends want to come over and play on my PS3 they need to bring their own controllers ! :P

oh, I'm from the US.  So we just buy whatever we want until we go into bankrupcy :P

lostrib

Lol, I'm from Europe, we have it even worse at the moment.

dat industry standard!

Good job metacritic! you're killing gaming

lostrib

It's not metacritics fault. It's all the people that stare themselves blind at scores that are at fault.

We shouldn't blame a company for offering a service that people want. If metacritic didn't do it, some other site would.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

dat industry standard!

Good job metacritic! you're killing gaming

R4gn4r0k

It's not metacritics fault. It's all the people that stare themselves blind at scores that are at fault.

We shouldn't blame a company for offering a service that people want. If metacritic didn't do it, some other site would.

true, but metacritic should at least release their formula so that publishers/devs know who to pay off. It's just common courtesy

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

dat industry standard!

Good job metacritic! you're killing gaming

R4gn4r0k

It's not metacritics fault. It's all the people that stare themselves blind at scores that are at fault.

We shouldn't blame a company for offering a service that people want. If metacritic didn't do it, some other site would.

True... I don't blame MC as much as I hate the idea of an aggregate which just churns out an useless number based on many inconsistencies... and you're right, we have people to blame for such sites gaining lots of credibility and weight, the obsession over numerical scores is getting out of control these days...

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

with $700 you can  build a PC that destroys the ps4 and also in the long run will be cheaper, no online fees, cheaper games.

not to mention that the pc is also for everything else and ps4 can only play game poorly compared to the pc.

xboxiphoneps3

explain why.

true, but metacritic should at least release their formula so that publishers/devs know who to pay off. It's just common courtesy

lostrib

I didn't know about that, you are right though. Why does IGN have such a big impact on the score when their scoring system and point scale is the worst out there.

True... I don't blame MC as much as I hate the idea of an aggregate which just churns out an useless number based on many inconsistencies... and you're right, we have people to blame for such sites gaining lots of credibility and weight, the obsession over numerical scores is getting out of control these days...

Rocker6

I think it has to do with the cost of gaming and perhaps the economical recession. Games cost a lot of money and people don't want to get burned and purchase a bad game. But going soley by scores means you'll play what other people liked to play, not necessarily what you will like to play.

I've always found these topics to be a bit on the silly side.

PC gaming hardware will always be more expensive than a console. And so what? It's worth it. You pay more for the better things in life. Even a child should be able to understand this.

I've always found these topics to be a bit on the silly side.

PC gaming hardware will always be more expensive than a console. And so what? It's worth it. You pay more for the better things in life. Even a child should be able to understand this.

whiskeystrike

ding ding ding.

People should realize PC gaming is not meant to be cheap...

I've always found these topics to be a bit on the silly side.

PC gaming hardware will always be more expensive than a console. And so what? It's worth it. You pay more for the better things in life. Even a child should be able to understand this.

whiskeystrike

Exactly... in these threads, to prove a point, some hermits try to put together some crappy rigs for as cheap as possible by pairing some questionably looking components with a solid GPU, but that's riding the line, PC gaming isn't about cutting corners wherever you can. A powerful and balanced gaming PC is expensive, but definitely a worthwhile investment if you're more dedicated to gaming as a hobby.

Exactly... in these threads, to prove a point, some hermits try to put together some crappy rigs for as cheap as possible by pairing some questionably looking components with a solid GPU, but that's riding the line, PC gaming isn't about cutting corners wherever you can. A powerful and balanced gaming PC is expensive, but definitely a worthwhile investment if you're more dedicated to gaming as a hobby.

Rocker6

PC gaming doesn't have to be expensive at all. It's actually more affordable and offers superior value at the same time. 

I do agree that ~$750 is a great place to start, but even ~$500 can get you a next-gen console experience with 3-4 free games.

youll need like a 900-1000 dollar rig to take on the PS4, and even then the PS4 is a better buy with better performancexboxiphoneps3

And thats the reason stupid hermits shouldnt compare pcs with consoles.

You can't if your building a brand new one from new parts personally I already have a good pc so I just upgraded my gpu and ram for around $400 I'm keeping my old motherboard and cpu which are like 5 year now but with a 50% overclock on clock speed to 4Ghz on my cpu I'm fine cpu power reguirments haven't really gone up much gpu matters more and I don't really want to upgraded until intel releases a 6 core proccessor at a mainstream price.