3D adds nothing to games huh? Sure...

This is for all the 3D haters who like to call it a gimmick and say it adds nothing to games.

We already know how 3D can add to games because the player will be able to judge depth of distance, which can work especially well for platformers.

It can also add to immersion. Like seeing bullets fly out at you in an FPS game, or shrapnel flying out of the screen during an explosion and many other such things.

If one says 3D cannot add to gameplay, the one can also argue that graphics or HD (which are both so loved in SWs) don't add anything to games either since 3D can be used to add cool effects in games.

It all depends on how devs use it. It's up to them.

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3D and Onlive is the future, mark my words. Now it ain't that big, but it'll surrpass motion gaming, and in 20 years ya'll gonna play 3D on onlive type a systems.

The future will make me go retro for life.

haters gonna hate, i have 3d vision more you dont need to argue about.

3D and Onlive is the future, mark my words. Now it ain't that big, but it'll surrpass motion gaming, and in 20 years ya'll gonna play 3D on onlive type a systems.

The future will make me go retro for life.

Lucianu

3D can add quite a bit, I'm sure. I don't like the way it's done in movies, where it's different layers of 2d images, but games are naturally 3d anyway, so it can probably work very well.

Funny, when Sony was pushing 3D everybody seemed to say 3D adds nothing and is a waste. Suddenly Nintendo starts doing it and it adds stuff to games.

3D is hit or miss with me. There are only a few games I even want to try in 3D on consoles. One of the games is NBA 2K11. I'm interested to see how it looks and feels to play basketball in 3D on HDTV. Of course I want to see Avatar in 3D at home. In the theater it was absolutely incredible. Best 3D I had ever seen. At home, it may not be as good though.

Funny, when Sony was pushing 3D everybody seemed to say 3D adds nothing and is a waste. Suddenly Nintendo starts doing it and it adds stuff to games.

Wasdie

everything "adds" something to the games, rumble did, motion controls did, 3D does too.

But its still a gimmick. Just like all of the things mentioned above.

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Funny, when Sony was pushing 3D everybody seemed to say 3D adds nothing and is a waste. Suddenly Nintendo starts doing it and it adds stuff to games.

milannoir

Funny how you strawman everyone suddenly.

Get over your fanboy butthurtedness, and enjoy the new wonders of technology.

I would'nt exactly call Wasdie a Sony fanboy though. He's struk me as quite hostile at times in fact.

And He's right. It is quite funny that it takes Ninty to make people think 3D is worth a damn.

I haven't seen a 3DS but the 3D effect gained from glasses isn't worth the loss in colour fidelity or cost to me. All of the 3DS games I have seen to far just use it as a gimmick though, I think you would need some serious play time before you can assess how much impact it really has on a game (maybe with good software it won't get old).

When you beat "Gameplay over Graphics" into people´s heads an entire generation and call 360/PS3 owners shallow and unmature because they like better graphics you can´t just turn on a dime and defend 3D as anything more than a gimmick.

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Funny, when Sony was pushing 3D everybody seemed to say 3D adds nothing and is a waste. Suddenly Nintendo starts doing it and it adds stuff to games.

Filthybastrd

Funny how you strawman everyone suddenly.

Get over your fanboy butthurtedness, and enjoy the new wonders of technology.

I would'nt exactly call Wasdie a Sony fanboy though. He's struk me as quite hostile at times in fact.

And He's right. It is quite funny that it takes Ninty to make people think 3D is worth a damn.

No truer words have been spoken. If the NGP was announced first and had glassesless 3D, everyone would have hated the idea. Could you imagine the amount of hate for a handheld called PSP3D?

Funny, when Sony was pushing 3D everybody seemed to say 3D adds nothing and is a waste. Suddenly Nintendo starts doing it and it adds stuff to games.

Wasdie

Should add something, prolly not for awhile, but definitely something.

Its a gimmick and adds nothing to the game (nothing worthwhile atleast), really.

Funny, when Sony was pushing 3D everybody seemed to say 3D adds nothing and is a waste. Suddenly Nintendo starts doing it and it adds stuff to games.

Wasdie

What's really funny is I didn't say anything about Nintendo in my OP. I've always been all for 3D in games so I don't know what your post had to do with anything.

When you beat "Gameplay over Graphics" into people´s heads an entire generation and call 360/PS3 owners shallow and unmature because they like better graphics you can´t just turn on a dime and defend 3D as anything more than a gimmick.

JLF1

I hope you are talking to yourself and that post isn't directed at me.

which can work especially well for platformers.

Wii4Fun

It's too bad 3D platformers fail in comparison to 2D.

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which can work especially well for platformers.

OneSanitarium

It's too bad 3D platformers fail in comparison to 2D.

I could bring up a list of good 3D platformers, but I'm sure you know them, so I won't bother.

Funny, when Sony was pushing 3D everybody seemed to say 3D adds nothing and is a waste. Suddenly Nintendo starts doing it and it adds stuff to games.

Wasdie

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which can work especially well for platformers.

Wii4Fun

It's too bad 3D platformers fail in comparison to 2D.

I could bring up a list of good 3D platformers, but I'm sure you know them, so I won't bother.

In the very least, skill based and platform hell type of platformers will always be better than anything 3D can produce.

I'm not saying there are no good 3D platformers, just that they can't be as good as 2D ones.

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It's too bad 3D platformers fail in comparison to 2D.

OneSanitarium

I could bring up a list of good 3D platformers, but I'm sure you know them, so I won't bother.

In the very least, skill based and platform hell type of platformers will always be better than anything 3D can produce.

I'm not saying there are no good 3D platformers, just that they can't be as good as 2D ones.

Fair enough.

Funny, when Sony was pushing 3D everybody seemed to say 3D adds nothing and is a waste. Suddenly Nintendo starts doing it and it adds stuff to games.

Wasdie

Most of the hate the 3D gets here is because it requires glasses. 3DS has glassesless 3D and thus seems to be more well recieved. Of course the 3D also eats battery life, so even the 3DS's 3D is hardly flawless.

Personally, I dont mind 3D one bit as long as it is works well with the game, like in 3D platformers, being able to tell the depht of distance better should improve the platforming, likewise I the addition of 3D wouldnt work well for other games.

3D might be in the future but if OnLive becomes popular it will be the death of gaming, period.

I played 3D while PS2 and Xbox gamers were for the most part oblivious to it being on PC, and I can say now with full confidence; that it is a gimmick.

Anyone who bought a 3D TV with glassesjust wasted their money becausethey areall ready working on3D TV's with out the usage of glasses.

I played 3D while PS2 and Xbox gamers were for the most part oblivious to it being on PC, and I can say now with full confidence; that it is a gimmick.

AnnoyedDragon

I think I would stick with 2d thank you.

That's what they said about audio coming into films.

BigDaddyPOLO

The only reason people care right now is because the big companies like Sony are hyping it, people didn't care at the beginning of this generation; when it was readily available.

They care because someone was paid to make sure they care.

3D neither improves game play or graphical quality, it just adds depth to a game. If the game sucks, it will suck in 3D.

everything is a gimmick to gamers . Gamers cant handel the most tiny change without screaming and running for the hills .

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That's what they said about audio coming into films.

AnnoyedDragon

The only reason people care right now is because the big companies like Sony are hyping it, people didn't care at the beginning of this generation; when it was readily available.

They care because someone was paid to make sure they care.

3D neither improves game play or graphical quality, it just adds depth to a game. If the game sucks, it will suck in 3D.

If that's the case, then we don't need to improve graphics in games, we don't need HD or any other things people might want to introduce to gaming. let's just stay where we are.

If a game sucks, then 3D has nothing to do with that, so I don't get your point.

If that's the case, then we don't need to improve graphics in games, we don't need HD or any other things people might want to introduce to gaming. let's just stay where we are.

If a game sucks, then 3D has nothing to do with that, so I don't get your point.

Wii4Fun

We don't need HD? HD is just a resolution that has been around for ages; that they have given a fancy name for marketing purposes. A average thing over hyped, like stereoscopic 3D.

Why weren't people interested in 3D when it was available last gen from 3rd party sellers? Yes, you could have had 3D on your Xbox and PS2 using 3rd party hardware last gen.

Where was the hype? Where was the revolution?

Admit it, you only care because the consoles have started hyping it. Just like you listed HD as being something special, you think 3D is special because they have chosen to hype it right now.

My 3D glasses have been gathering dust in a draw for years, I got over the gimmick; long before current gen consoles started this marketing campaign. Microsoft is spending $500 million pushing their motion sensor bandwagon attempt, because they know they can generate demand where it doesn't exist; if they hype it enough.

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If that's the case, then we don't need to improve graphics in games, we don't need HD or any other things people might want to introduce to gaming. let's just stay where we are.

If a game sucks, then 3D has nothing to do with that, so I don't get your point.

AnnoyedDragon

We don't need HD? HD is just a resolution that has been around for ages; that they have given a fancy name for marketing purposes. A average thing over hyped, like stereoscopic 3D.

Why weren't people interested in 3D when it was available last gen from 3rd party sellers? Yes, you could have had 3D on your Xbox and PS2 using 3rd party hardware last gen.

Where was the hype? Where was the revolution?

Admit it, you only care because the consoles have started hyping it. Just like you listed HD as being something special, you think 3D is special because they have chosen to hype it right now.

My 3D glasses have been gathering dust in a draw for years, I got over the gimmick; long before current gen consoles started this marketing campaign. Microsoft is spending $500 million pushing their motion sensor bandwagon attempt, because they know they can generate demand where it doesn't exist; if they hype it enough.

Once devs learn how to utilise 3D in games, it's going to add to the games. The more immersion you can get, the better.

Anything that is added to gaming nowadays seems to be branded a useless gimmick by SWs gamers anyways, so meh, whatever.

I'm still looking forward to what motion controls and 3D have to offer gaming.

i never said HD was anything 'special' and I'm talking about 3D without glasses here.

Funny, when Sony was pushing 3D everybody seemed to say 3D adds nothing and is a waste. Suddenly Nintendo starts doing it and it adds stuff to games.

Wasdie

The key is Nintendo is not forcing us to wear glasses, and it's the main draw of their new handheld. No doubt, 3D will be implemented more as a factor in the games while Sony's PS3 3D is just an add on that requires a 3D TV, hence a gimmick.

Once devs learn how to utilise 3D in games, it's going to add to the games.

Anything that is added to gaming nowadays seems to be branded a useless gimmick by SWs gamers anyways, so meh, whatever.

I'm still looking forward to what motion controls and 3D have to offer gaming.

Wii4Fun

You cannot "utilize" 3D, it just adds depth to the visuals. Other than making things look like they have more depth; it won't change anything related to game play or graphical quality.

You're a mainstream gamer that bought into the hype; and is behaving like stereoscopic 3D wasn't invented until the consoles started pushing it, that's all. People didn't care about any of this until the consoles hyped it, whether it be 3D; or the motion sensor technology that Wii got from PC.

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Funny, when Sony was pushing 3D everybody seemed to say 3D adds nothing and is a waste. Suddenly Nintendo starts doing it and it adds stuff to games.

Renegade_Fury

The key is Nintendo is not forcing us to wear glasses, and it's the main draw of their new handheld. No doubt, 3D will be implemented more as a factor in the games while Sony's PS3 3D is just an add on that requires a 3D TV, hence a gimmick.

So add ons are gimmicks?

:P

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That's what they said about audio coming into films.

AnnoyedDragon

The only reason people care right now is because the big companies like Sony are hyping it, people didn't care at the beginning of this generation; when it was readily available.

They care because someone was paid to make sure they care.

3D neither improves game play or graphical quality, it just adds depth to a game. If the game sucks, it will suck in 3D.

HD doesn't improve gameplay, it just adds depth to a game. If the game sucks, it will suck in HD. So whats your point exactly...?

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Funny, when Sony was pushing 3D everybody seemed to say 3D adds nothing and is a waste. Suddenly Nintendo starts doing it and it adds stuff to games.

Snakemaster9

The key is Nintendo is not forcing us to wear glasses, and it's the main draw of their new handheld. No doubt, 3D will be implemented more as a factor in the games while Sony's PS3 3D is just an add on that requires a 3D TV, hence a gimmick.

So add ons are gimmicks?

:P

I didn't write add on = gimmick.

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[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

The key is Nintendo is not forcing us to wear glasses, and it's the main draw of their new handheld. No doubt, 3D will be implemented more as a factor in the games while Sony's PS3 3D is just an add on that requires a 3D TV, hence a gimmick.

Renegade_Fury

So add ons are gimmicks?

:P

I didn't write add on = gimmick.

Ok true that i guess..

So if lets just say Wii 2 had regular games then they had 3D-Compatible games with 3D glasses,TV then those are gimmicks right?

HD doesn't improve gameplay, it just adds depth to a game. If the game sucks, it will suck in HD. So whats your point exactly...?

Jelley0

What's their point? They're talking as if adding a visual effect to a game, creating the illusion of depth, is going to totally change the gaming experience. And anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about, despite me using the exact same technology they are drooling over years before the current gen consoles started hyping it.

They don't like people criticising their precious hype, even if it is someone who has had a hell of a lot more experience with stereoscopic 3D than most of them.

It just adds depth, it is not going to revolutionize the visual experience like these hype junkies seem to think.

And please don't use the word HD, just refer to the pixels, HD has a load of nonsense hype attached it that makes me face palm sometimes.

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[QUOTE="Snakemaster9"]

So add ons are gimmicks?

:P

Snakemaster9

I didn't write add on = gimmick.

Ok true that i guess..

So if lets just say Wii 2 had regular games then they had 3D-Compatible games with 3D glasses,TV then those are gimmicks right?

Yes, I'd say so, because the 3D factor isn't the main draw for purchasing that console. You need to buy too many things in order to implement that feature.

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Once devs learn how to utilise 3D in games, it's going to add to the games.

Anything that is added to gaming nowadays seems to be branded a useless gimmick by SWs gamers anyways, so meh, whatever.

I'm still looking forward to what motion controls and 3D have to offer gaming.

AnnoyedDragon

You cannot "utilize" 3D, it just adds depth to the visuals. Other than making things look like they have more depth; it won't change anything related to game play or graphical quality.

You're a mainstream gamer that bought into the hype; and is behaving like stereoscopic 3D wasn't invented until the consoles started pushing it, that's all. People didn't care about any of this until the consoles hyped it, whether it be 3D; or the motion sensor technology that Wii got from PC.

Yet devs are 'utilizing' 3D for 3DS. There are thing devs have to do to make 3D work at its best. They don't have to just throw it in.

Right, I'm a 'mainstream' gamer and you're in some special group. :roll:

Believe it or not, everything that comes to console wasn't inspired by the almighty PC. Yeah, I care about motion controls, because I was never a big fan of DA and I can see potential in the tech.

Like everything else, 3D will feel gimmicky until devs learn to truly make it enhance gameplay.

It doesn't have to revolutionise anything, it just has to add to it, and it can do that.

The depth of distance? No. It doesn't. 3D graphics help us to judge the depth of distance. 3D visuals just create the illusion of more depth. Stop with the lies.

Yes HD does add nothing to gameplay. It's just pretty the same way 3D will be pretty.

Graphics do add to gameplay because without graphics we wouldn't have had mario go from 2D to the three dimensional open world of Super Mario 64.

Yet devs are 'utilizing' 3D for 3DS. There are thing devs have to do to make 3D work at its best. They don't have to just throw it in.

Right, I'm a 'mainstream' gamer and you're in some special group. :roll:

Believe it or not, everything that comes to console wasn't inspired by the almighty PC. Yeah, I care about motion controls, because I was never a big fan of DA and I can see potential in the tech.

Like everything else, 3D will feel gimmicky until devs learn to truly make it enhance gameplay.

Wii4Fun

Apparently "utilizing" means just using the actual effect it seems...

I call you a mainstream gamer, because despite this being readily available even before this console generation started; you are only hyped by it now. Now, when the console companies decided to push it. You weren't hyped about it before because chances are you didn't know it was available, because no one was paid to make you aware. In other words, you rely on mainstream sources for your information.

And game play? I seriously doubt any meaningful form of game play will be invented using 3D depth. 3D isn't being pushed for game play, it is being pushed for 3D, the "it's like I can touch it" effect.

I stand my my original accusation, people only care because the big companies paid to make them care.

Anyone who bought a 3D TV with glassesjust wasted their money becausethey areall ready working on3D TV's with out the usage of glasses.

Gibsonsg527

It doesn't work like that. Those TVs will not exist with current 3D technologies.

3D needs a single focal point if there are no glasses. The 3D screen on the 3DS is fine because you can move that screen so your eyes are at the focal point and will beable to see the 3D. If the screen is mounted to the wall, only one spot will actually see the 3D.

Funny, when Sony was pushing 3D everybody seemed to say 3D adds nothing and is a waste. Suddenly Nintendo starts doing it and it adds stuff to games.

Wasdie