5 things system wars HAS to agree with.

[QUOTE="Diviniuz"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

i don't see how halo reach will skyrocket sales. halo 3 is already out.

CaseyWegner

you think a huge amount of people passed on halo 3 and odst but just have to get themselves some halo reach?

A friend of mine told me that Reach is more balanced than 3. That's why he's getting Reach.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"] Because how can the PC be the best value gaming machine when It doesn't get some of the exclusives consoles gamers enjoy ?

Sp4rtan_3

because it has exclusives of its own? :?

well, this generation alone the pc does have more high scoring exclusives than all three consoles combined. factor in the full library of the pc and, well, wow.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"] Because how can the PC be the best value gaming machine when It doesn't get some of the exclusives consoles gamers enjoy ?

When it doesnt do motion control,split screen or Local same screen MP ?

And going by your logic of wii being casualized how come the ps3 and 360 arent up there ?

Sp4rtan_3

[QUOTE="tutt3r"]

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"] Because how can the PC be the ultimate gaming machine when It doesn't get some of the exclusives consoles gamers enjoy ? When it doesnt do motion control,split screen or Local same screen MP ?Sp4rtan_3

b/c the pc doesnt have its own exclusives? b/c motion controlls are soooo not a gimmick.

you said and i quote "how can the PC be the ultimate gaming machine when it doesnt get some of the exclusive consoles gamers enjoy?" The ps360wii doesnt get pc exclusives or each others exclusives does that mean it isnt the ultimate gaming machines either? As far as MS and Sony implementing motion technology is only to tap into casual market that wii has found success in. Name one wii, kinect, move game that has actually pushed gaming forward with its mechanics and is fully implemented into the game? Even nintendo first party games dont really use motion technology to its fullest. Just like how 3D adds nothing to movies but visual enhancements (and usually takes away from story, characters, etc as 3D becomes more important to directors) Motion controlls are there to cash in on the middle class who enjoy the wonders of "new technology"

You have a better chance of teaching a pineapple how to tap dance over getting everyone in System Wars to agree with you.

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

because it has exclusives of its own? :?

CaseyWegner

well, this generation alone the pc does have more high scoring exclusives than all three consoles combined. factor in the full library of the pc and, well, wow.

[QUOTE="Diviniuz"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

i don't see how halo reach will skyrocket sales. halo 3 is already out.

CaseyWegner

you think a huge amount of people passed on halo 3 and odst but just have to get themselves some halo reach?

Guys guys

I never said PC is the ultimate gaming machine.

I merely stated it is the "BEST" value.

If you buy a hyrbid car instead of a lamborgini the hybrid is clearly the better value since it saves on gas and it is low price. Now the lamborgini is a LOT more fun to drive. Doesn't change the fact that a 20-30,000 dollar car is a helluva lot better value than a 300,000$ sports car

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

only 1 thing System Wars agrees is that Single Player Games MUST NEVER DIE!

IAMSERIAL

I agree with all the points except about xbox live. I dislike paying for something that is not worth the money.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"] But how would that = Better value ? I never said it doesnt have its own exclusives I dont know where you people are getting this from :?Sp4rtan_3

well, this generation alone the pc does have more high scoring exclusives than all three consoles combined. factor in the full library of the pc and, well, wow.

You can do so many more things on your gaming pc than simply gaming. With you computer you could handle other programs with ease such as photoshop or movie editors which dont run so well on older computers. Managing files, playing HD movies, multitasking with various programs and windows opens becomes possible and a lot faster with a gaming pc. You can create software, browse the web, communicate with friends, dl mods, etc. everyting is at your fingertips and is fast easy and efficient compared to console gaming

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"][QUOTE="tutt3r"]

b/c the pc doesnt have its own exclusives? b/c motion controlls are soooo not a gimmick.

tutt3r

you said and i quote "how can the PC be the ultimate gaming machine when it doesnt get some of the exclusive consoles gamers enjoy?" The ps360wii doesnt get pc exclusives or each others exclusives does that mean it isnt the ultimate gaming machines either? As far as MS and Sony implementing motion technology is only to tap into casual market that wii has found success in. Name one wii, kinect, move game that has actually pushed gaming forward with its mechanics and is fully implemented into the game? Even nintendo first party games dont really use motion technology to its fullest. Just like how 3D adds nothing to movies but visual enhancements (and usually takes away from story, characters, etc as 3D becomes more important to directors) Motion controlls are there to cash in on the middle class who enjoy the wonders of "new technology"

And wii sports is the game, the 360 and ps3 both have their own version of this. Also wiisfit as well with kinect and I think Move having thier own motion based fitness games. You cant deny the impact motion controls had on gaming. I hate kinect and move to and see them as cash in add ons but I wont call them gimmick (just yet) because we haven't seen what they really can do.

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

well, this generation alone the pc does have more high scoring exclusives than all three consoles combined. factor in the full library of the pc and, well, wow.

tutt3r

You can do so many more things on your gaming pc than simply gaming. With you computer you could handle other programs with ease such as photoshop or movie editors which dont run so well on older computers. Managing files, playing HD movies, multitasking with various programs and windows opens becomes possible and a lot faster with a gaming pc. You can create software, browse the web, communicate with friends, dl mods, etc. everyting is at your fingertips and is fast easy and efficient compared to console gaming

[QUOTE="tutt3r"]

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"] Never said PC doesn't have exclusives :? Motion controls clearly arent a gimmick look at the Iphone,360,3DS,wii and ps3 ALL of them have or will be having integrated Motion controls calling it a gimmick makes 0 sense anymore.Sp4rtan_3

you said and i quote "how can the PC be the ultimate gaming machine when it doesnt get some of the exclusive consoles gamers enjoy?" The ps360wii doesnt get pc exclusives or each others exclusives does that mean it isnt the ultimate gaming machines either? As far as MS and Sony implementing motion technology is only to tap into casual market that wii has found success in. Name one wii, kinect, move game that has actually pushed gaming forward with its mechanics and is fully implemented into the game? Even nintendo first party games dont really use motion technology to its fullest. Just like how 3D adds nothing to movies but visual enhancements (and usually takes away from story, characters, etc as 3D becomes more important to directors) Motion controlls are there to cash in on the middle class who enjoy the wonders of "new technology"

And wii sports is the game, the 360 and ps3 both have their own version of this. Also wiisfit as well with kinect and I think Move having thier own motion based fitness games. You cant deny the impact motion controls had on gaming. I hate kinect and move to and see them as cash in add ons but I wont call them gimmick (just yet) because we haven't seen what they really can do.

Its b/c you said "how can the PC be the ultimate gaming machine when it doesnt get some of the exclusive consoles gamers enjoy?" where people get the idea that you think pc doesnt have exclusives.

Wii sports is a joke. The whole game you just swing your arm, nothing gets more in depth than swinging. There is no recognition of depth of field, controller placement is relation to console, etc. The whole use of wii remote comes down to the waggle in 98% of all games. I don't see anything that MS or Sony has to offer that actually uses their peripherals to its fullest.

I slightly agree with all of them, but number 1 is ridiculous.

I slightly agree with all of them, but number 1 is ridiculous.

MasterBolt360

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"]

[QUOTE="tutt3r"]

you said and i quote "how can the PC be the ultimate gaming machine when it doesnt get some of the exclusive consoles gamers enjoy?" The ps360wii doesnt get pc exclusives or each others exclusives does that mean it isnt the ultimate gaming machines either? As far as MS and Sony implementing motion technology is only to tap into casual market that wii has found success in. Name one wii, kinect, move game that has actually pushed gaming forward with its mechanics and is fully implemented into the game? Even nintendo first party games dont really use motion technology to its fullest. Just like how 3D adds nothing to movies but visual enhancements (and usually takes away from story, characters, etc as 3D becomes more important to directors) Motion controlls are there to cash in on the middle class who enjoy the wonders of "new technology"

tutt3r

And wii sports is the game, the 360 and ps3 both have their own version of this. Also wiisfit as well with kinect and I think Move having thier own motion based fitness games. You cant deny the impact motion controls had on gaming. I hate kinect and move to and see them as cash in add ons but I wont call them gimmick (just yet) because we haven't seen what they really can do.

Its b/c you said "how can the PC be the ultimate gaming machine when it doesnt get some of the exclusive consoles gamers enjoy?" where people get the idea that you think pc doesnt have exclusives.

Wii sports is a joke. The whole game you just swing your arm, nothing gets more in depth than swinging. There is no recognition of depth of field, controller placement is relation to console, etc. The whole use of wii remote comes down to the waggle in 98% of all games. I don't see anything that MS or Sony has to offer that actually uses their peripherals to its fullest.

[QUOTE="tutt3r"]

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"] OK but that doesn't answer my question. All that says is it has more higher scoring games. Saying something is better value then something else is pure opinion its not fact like the TC wants to pass it off as.Sp4rtan_3

You can do so many more things on your gaming pc than simply gaming. With you computer you could handle other programs with ease such as photoshop or movie editors which dont run so well on older computers. Managing files, playing HD movies, multitasking with various programs and windows opens becomes possible and a lot faster with a gaming pc. You can create software, browse the web, communicate with friends, dl mods, etc. everyting is at your fingertips and is fast easy and efficient compared to console gaming

You can do far more things on your pc than you can on your console. Thats the whole thing. even if you never touch anything else on your computer but MS office and firefox, those options are still available to you. You may use your wii more than your pc, however value as far as what you can do the pc is better. You however may place personal value more on your wii, but actual value comparing features and cost the pc has more value that way

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

well, this generation alone the pc does have more high scoring exclusives than all three consoles combined. factor in the full library of the pc and, well, wow.

tutt3r

You can do so many more things on your gaming pc than simply gaming. With you computer you could handle other programs with ease such as photoshop or movie editors which dont run so well on older computers. Managing files, playing HD movies, multitasking with various programs and windows opens becomes possible and a lot faster with a gaming pc. You can create software, browse the web, communicate with friends, dl mods, etc. everyting is at your fingertips and is fast easy and efficient compared to console gaming

The only one I disagree with is #5. Better technology than what? It's not the best since the PC wipes the floor with it.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="tutt3r"]

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"] Point out where I said PC doesn't have any exclusives :? All i said was PC doesn't get exclusives consoles gets and Vice versa. Dont know where you people are getting where I said it doesn't have exclusives >_>

And wii sports is the game, the 360 and ps3 both have their own version of this. Also wiisfit as well with kinect and I think Move having thier own motion based fitness games. You cant deny the impact motion controls had on gaming. I hate kinect and move to and see them as cash in add ons but I wont call them gimmick (just yet) because we haven't seen what they really can do.

Sp4rtan_3

Its b/c you said "how can the PC be the ultimate gaming machine when it doesnt get some of the exclusive consoles gamers enjoy?" where people get the idea that you think pc doesnt have exclusives.

Wii sports is a joke. The whole game you just swing your arm, nothing gets more in depth than swinging. There is no recognition of depth of field, controller placement is relation to console, etc. The whole use of wii remote comes down to the waggle in 98% of all games. I don't see anything that MS or Sony has to offer that actually uses their peripherals to its fullest.

Avatar sold millions of dollars in its 3D implementation. The story, dialogue, characters were all cut and pasted from various movies creating a very generic story. Millions were willing to overlook that and bought into the hype that was 3D. After its success many movies followed in an attempt to cash in on those who think 3D tech is "cool" Resulting in bad 3D adaptions and terrible movies. Wii sports is the same it is so simplistic in everything it does and offers absolutley no value to gaming as a whole. Instead what it did do was open the market for various publishers to start chruning out terrible games with emphasis on "waggle" to sell. I think motion controlls had potential to become somethign pivotal in gaming, but nintendo took something that could have been revolutionary and made it become something so uninspiring. I have no problem with the casual market at all, but when they become the focus of your product and not traditional gamers, then the result is something mediocre

One word. STEAM but if you need more proof....

GrandTheftDog

This is getting old. No matter how many times it is rebuked, it keeps getting brought up. There are sales on games for every system, not just PC. Heck, Steam isn't even the only game in town, there's also GamersGate, you could at least mix it up a bit. Sure, there's not a whole lot this week, but Civilization IV Complete for $10, Hearts of Iron III for $9 and Europa Universalis III Complete for $7 are pretty good deals.

About the PC controls....I disagree. I still have a really hard time with the keyboard.The controller just feels natural for me.

Hey, I'm onboard for all of those, except maybe #2. The Wii has always been casualized.

Number 1 is wrong. 360 has better tech.

i totaly agree with this

all of system wars must agree that the cake is a lie. if you dont then you are a spyferret-gamer

[QUOTE="Diviniuz"][QUOTE="IAMSERIAL"] I do hate Zelda and GoW. Never played Witcher.IAMSERIAL

[QUOTE="tutt3r"]

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"] Because how can the PC be the ultimate gaming machine when It doesn't get some of the exclusives consoles gamers enjoy ? When it doesnt do motion control,split screen or Local same screen MP ?Sp4rtan_3

b/c the pc doesnt have its own exclusives? b/c motion controlls are soooo not a gimmick.

I disagree with 5 and 1...especially 5IAMSERIAL

The only thing SW has to agree with is that we disagree about everything but this rule.

What makes you think Halo Reach will make consumers purchase XBox 360s just so they could play that one game?

What makes you think Halo Reach will make consumers purchase XBox 360s just so they could play that one game?

Desulated

Don't have to agree with any of that at all. However I do agree withall of themexcept for one.

I'm not a PC gamer, most of the games I want don't come out on the PC. So I don't think the PC is the best value.

5) I don't agree with, both consoles are designed differently, while the ps3 may have a slightly higher peak, the 360 has a higher average throughput likely due to its efficient design, the technology in the 360 is actually just as advanced, a top level inspection shows at a hardware much different than a PC but was still designed to be easy to develop for.

From a top level perspective of a ps3, its a PC, with 1 processor that has 6 dsp processors... its advanced but not entirely the best solution for its purpose. Also blu ray is neat but with the slow drive you end up having to use 50gb of redundant data to avoid installs

4) agree, but you still have to pay

3) Oh god no, its the most expensive period, it costs more time and money to purchase and maintain, but its the only system that really allows you to improve the hardware on your own, if you don't mind games looking like crap, than use an old system, if you need to buy a new vid card every 2 years than so be it.

and if only steam had every game on the market I'd agree with it being the best, but its still not universal, and theres a lot of companies with their own DD solution, same with chat programs and everything else, which turns it into the cluster *#$@ platform.

2) I don't believe in casual, its just people holding onto archaic game mechanics that either time pad or turn a game into work, see x3 Terran Conflict, My M3 can hold 8 guns but stations only hold 4, which turns equiping a fleet into a nightmarish search for equipment only to watch your fleet fly into rocks and stuff.

1) they matter but the vast majority of games are multiplat, they just give the system a slight edge, theres games I want to play on the ps3, but is it worth a second $300 system? no really

[QUOTE="juan530"]

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]all of system wars must agree that the cake is a lie. if you dont then you are a spyferret-gamer

SPY IN OUR MIDST BOYS!!!!

lol but really this one is ithttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5QveX3-1O8

it has good games but most of the good games are on pc and/or ps3

juan530

I can agree with that.

[QUOTE="juan530"]it has good games but most of the good games are on pc and/or ps3

Stevo_the_gamer