50" Pioneer Kuro vs Computer Gaming

My wallet self-ignited when I saw the price of that telly.

Why not aim for a cheaper (i.e smaller) one so that you can get both? :)

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

Yes.. Chairs beat Sofas. Another win for the hermits! :lol:

aliblabla2007

Sofas beating Chairs isn't a loss for the hermits either. Since hermits can play on the sofa/couch/bed/whatever too.

@the TC - Get the TV first and start planning out a much cheaper (preferrably under $900) Gaming PC - if needed, ask the PC Hardware board for help on choosing parts and if you need instructions on putting everything together. Building your own highend PC is almost always much cheaper than buying a prebuilt, and in the end you learn something.

listen to this guy ;)

[QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"] The TV sony compaired it wiht was confirmed a pioneer, but some say it was infact a Kuro, and sony has always had the best LCDs too, the XBR4 was the 1st of its kind that could compaire to Plasma's, and the XBR8 has beat them, and considerinfg the fact they made OLED TVs they know what they are doing, a lot more thatn Samsung

the Kuro VS sony TV form pinoneer's event was with an old Sony LCD, not even an XBR

SONY XBR8 VS Pinoneer TV (maybe kuro)

if anything the XBR8 matches the "extreme contrast concept" kuro

Tulak_Hord

Like I said earlier, I really don't care about about Pioneer or Sony's event, Considering how a digital camera is a poor judgment of how television quality.

Anyway, the first LED LCD was a samsung the 81 series, so Sony didn't invent LED. Anyway, I work with TV's and I know for a fact the XBR4 cannot compare with a plasma. The 120Hz was decent, but the black levels sucked. The Samsung 71 series had better black levels.

So I will have to see the XBR8, and I can bet it doesn't look as a plasma with black levels. Not when the black levels on the W series looks like crap.

and the reason im compairing Sony to Pioneer is bcz Pioneer is said to be the best Black, but proof shows sony beat them with the XBR8, ill check into it personally later this year, but i can tell u knwo the XBR4 is a very much underrated LCD and looks amazing (wiht the lights on too 0) ) also i never said it had the best blacks, but it was the 1st LCD line that can compaire to a Plasma.

and dont bring the W series in bcz Bravia Engine 2PROTM Technology (XBR8) vs Bravia Engine 2TM Technology (W series)

XBR is a high end sony TV, the others are pretty bad in comparison

The W and Z series are Sony's best TV's in the market. We have recieved XBR6's but they haven't been displayed yet. Anyway, the XBR8 is an LED TV, not OLED. The first OLED was a Sony 11" 480p TV . The XBR8 uses an LED backlight which was first used by Samsung, and OLED TV's don't require a backlight to process video.

And the XBR4 was actually overrated. Everyone I know who bought it, got it because it was a sony, and the TV didn't look as good as a 71 series.....how do I know because I spent eveyday watching all the XBR's strating from the XBR2's to XBR5's till they were clearanced and gotten rid off, and I can say the same about the 71 series.

The Xbr4 was not even as good as the panasonic 700 series (they were out at the same time) when it came to black levels.....I will not judge other colors since some people prefer their other colors on TV's in a certain way (brighter or darker, I prefer darker).

and Panasonic has a bad colour pallet considering u watched everyday it id hope u'd know that,zomgwtfbbqlol1

[QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"] and Panasonic has a bad colour pallet considering u watched everyday it id hope u'd know that,Jandurin

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"] and Panasonic has a bad colour pallet considering u watched everyday it id hope u'd know that,zomgwtfbbqlol1

lol hermits acting like they play pc games on their sofas and bigscreens.GioVela2010

I'm no Hermit, but I play some PC games from my bed. On my TV.

NOTHING is close the black levels or picture quality of a Pioneer Kuro, it's a fact, not sure who would think LCDs are inferior. I'd choose an LCD over a low-quality Plasma, but nothing beats a Pioneer Kuro, it's like 2 leagues ahead..literally.

Btw my current computer can barely run CS Source, so yes I can't play any of the new games, none. The TV is a crap old school projection screen too, so both are crap.

I'm kind of leaning towards the TV imo, and might settle for a cheaper Computer for under a grand (buying parts from NCIX/newegg of course)

Thanks for the advise everyone!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001AAPEDC/ref=s9subs_c1_23_at1-rfc_g1-frt_g1-3215_g1-3102_p-3293_g1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=01GGJ8Q0P7QDDDS6TNFD&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=436515901&pf_rd_i=507846

That's cheapest place I can find for the TV right now ($1500 more for the 60" one), since local places are way overpriced around $4000. Any other place you guys would suggest buying for a better deal? Thanks!

[QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="tbolt76"]

STOP, DON'T GET THE KURO...INSTEAD, INVEST IN A SONY XBR8.

LOOK HERE

While the plasma is great, LCDs are a far better choice if you are going to be gaming. Then later on, when you do get that gaming PC, your XBR will be able to double as a monitor.

Tulak_Hord

LCD's are not a "far" better choice when it comes to gaming. Games like Condemned look better on plasma TV's since they have better black levels.

No it doesn't, even your article doesn'tsay the XBR8 is better, it said the previous demo got owned by a plasm, and sony got a better TV, which looks better than the previous one.

Even the Samsung 950 with LED, 120Hz and dynamic contrast ratio of 2,000,000:1 doesn't have as good blacks as a Pioneer Kuro.

Sony whom with their last generation TV's had lower native and dynamic contrast ratio's than samsung, even when they went outside the norm by making their dynamic C.R.'s 9x native C.R. when eveyone was making it five times native.

Anyway, before you make a comparison as grand as this (especially with TV's) compare them with your eyes not a digital camera.

the Kuro VS sony TV form pinoneer's event was with an old Sony LCD, not even an XBR

SONY XBR8 VS Pinoneer TV (maybe kuro)

if anything the XBR8 matches the "extreme contrast concept" kuro

Like I said earlier, I really don't care about about Pioneer or Sony's event, Considering how a digital camera is a poor judgment of how television quality.

Anyway, the first LED LCD was a samsung the 81 series, so Sony didn't invent LED. Anyway, I work with TV's and I know for a fact the XBR4 cannot compare with a plasma. The 120Hz was decent, but the black levels sucked. The Samsung 71 series had better black levels.

So I will have to see the XBR8, and I can bet it doesn't look as a plasma with black levels. Not when the black levels on the W series looks like crap.

and the reason im compairing Sony to Pioneer is bcz Pioneer is said to be the best Black, but proof shows sony beat them with the XBR8, ill check into it personally later this year, but i can tell u knwo the XBR4 is a very much underrated LCD and looks amazing (wiht the lights on too 0) ) also i never said it had the best blacks, but it was the 1st LCD line that can compaire to a Plasma.

and dont bring the W series in bcz Bravia Engine 2PROTM Technology (XBR8) vs Bravia Engine 2TM Technology (W series)

XBR is a high end sony TV, the others are pretty bad in comparison

The W and Z series are Sony's best TV's in the market. We have recieved XBR6's but they haven't been displayed yet. Anyway, the XBR8 is an LED TV, not OLED. The first OLED was a Sony 11" 480p TV . The XBR8 uses an LED backlight which was first used by Samsung, and OLED TV's don't require a backlight to process video.

And the XBR4 was actually overrated. Everyone I know who bought it, got it because it was a sony, and the TV didn't look as good as a 71 series.....how do I know because I spent eveyday watching all the XBR's strating from the XBR2's to XBR5's till they were clearanced and gotten rid off, and I can say the same about the 71 series.

The Xbr4 was not even as good as the panasonic 700 series (they were out at the same time) when it came to black levels.....I will not judge other colors since some people prefer their other colors on TV's in a certain way (brighter or darker, I prefer darker).

A few things...

First, for all of the Samsung is better than the XBR? People...Samsung gets their boards from Sony. They saturate the colors and the 81 had an LED backlight compared to flourescent CCFL tubes. The fact that the black levels were even comparible underlines the inferiority of the Samsung 81 series. Also, Samsung used 8-bit screens as opposed to 10-bit screens. What does that matter? An 8-bit screen can display can display 16 million colors while a 10-bit screen can produce aprproximately 1 billion colors. While every will say the human eye cannot see that many colors (38 million colors is what the human eye can detect), it is nice to know that all of the colors I can see will be visable on my TV.

Secondly, the XBR8 has a Triluminous LED backlight. What does that mean? Well, instead of white light, the LEDs are in cluster of RGB, meaning deeper more vibrant colors, less saturation, better color transitions. Add local dimming and you are getting the best blacks in an LCD TV and blcks just as good, if not better than many plasma TVs out there to go with the far superior colors LCD TVs produce over plasma TV's.

As for Tulak_Hord, you work in a big box (Best Buy, Circuit City etc.) and they couldn't display water in a pool. There is no way you can go into one of those stores to determine which picture on what TV looks better. I've been in a store where a Vizio had a better picture than a Samsung 71, which is impossible. Quit your job and go work at a high end shop, that displays the product correctly, you will see a difference.

By the way, the Z series TV uses a 10-bit panel with 10-bit processing also.

lol hermits acting like they play pc games on their sofas and bigscreens.GioVela2010

I don't see what's wrong playing a confy chair... if that would be the only option possible.

My wallet self-ignited when I saw the price of that telly.

Why not aim for a cheaper (i.e smaller) one so that you can get both? :)

ToScA-

My thoughts exactly.. only a fanboy will not say this.

[QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"] The TV sony compaired it wiht was confirmed a pioneer, but some say it was infact a Kuro, and sony has always had the best LCDs too, the XBR4 was the 1st of its kind that could compaire to Plasma's, and the XBR8 has beat them, and considerinfg the fact they made OLED TVs they know what they are doing, a lot more thatn Samsung

the Kuro VS sony TV form pinoneer's event was with an old Sony LCD, not even an XBR

SONY XBR8 VS Pinoneer TV (maybe kuro)

if anything the XBR8 matches the "extreme contrast concept" kuro

zomgwtfbbqlol1

Like I said earlier, I really don't care about about Pioneer or Sony's event, Considering how a digital camera is a poor judgment of how television quality.

Anyway, the first LED LCD was a samsung the 81 series, so Sony didn't invent LED. Anyway, I work with TV's and I know for a fact the XBR4 cannot compare with a plasma. The 120Hz was decent, but the black levels sucked. The Samsung 71 series had better black levels.

So I will have to see the XBR8, and I can bet it doesn't look as a plasma with black levels. Not when the black levels on the W series looks like crap.

and the reason im compairing Sony to Pioneer is bcz Pioneer is said to be the best Black, but proof shows sony beat them with the XBR8, ill check into it personally later this year, but i can tell u knwo the XBR4 is a very much underrated LCD and looks amazing (wiht the lights on too 0) ) also i never said it had the best blacks, but it was the 1st LCD line that can compaire to a Plasma.

and dont bring the W series in bcz Bravia Engine 2PROTM Technology (XBR8) vs Bravia Engine 2TM Technology (W series)

XBR is a high end sony TV, the others are pretty bad in comparison

The W and Z series are Sony's best TV's in the market. We have recieved XBR6's but they haven't been displayed yet. Anyway, the XBR8 is an LED TV, not OLED. The first OLED was a Sony 11" 480p TV . The XBR8 uses an LED backlight which was first used by Samsung, and OLED TV's don't require a backlight to process video.

And the XBR4 was actually overrated. Everyone I know who bought it, got it because it was a sony, and the TV didn't look as good as a 71 series.....how do I know because I spent eveyday watching all the XBR's strating from the XBR2's to XBR5's till they were clearanced and gotten rid off, and I can say the same about the 71 series.

The Xbr4 was not even as good as the panasonic 700 series (they were out at the same time) when it came to black levels.....I will not judge other colors since some people prefer their other colors on TV's in a certain way (brighter or darker, I prefer darker).

I am not putting words in your mount, you are the one that said Sony invented OLED, so therefore it will be the best am I wrong? If you were not implying that the XBR8 was OLED, then it was not even necessary to mention them making the 1st OLED TV. They are 2 different things.

Like I said the W and Z series are the best Sony TV's we have on display. the XBR6's have been recieved but I havent displayed them (the 40+) the 32 and 37XBR6's are worse than the W and Z series. I said the W and Z series are the best Sony'a availabe on display, you are free to read my posts again.

Besides were did you get the info about the green pallete on Panasonics....the cnet review. Panasonic's don't have a greenist hue, they are quite dim however.

Screw that Dell 27" screen. Screw the 50" Kuro.

Get a $800 projector like the Benq W500... you'll have a giant screen. With the money left over buy an insane computer.

Both your consoles and your PC can be attached to the projector. With the computer get a regular sized monitor.

That's what I would do.

[QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"] The TV sony compaired it wiht was confirmed a pioneer, but some say it was infact a Kuro, and sony has always had the best LCDs too, the XBR4 was the 1st of its kind that could compaire to Plasma's, and the XBR8 has beat them, and considerinfg the fact they made OLED TVs they know what they are doing, a lot more thatn Samsung

the Kuro VS sony TV form pinoneer's event was with an old Sony LCD, not even an XBR

SONY XBR8 VS Pinoneer TV (maybe kuro)

if anything the XBR8 matches the "extreme contrast concept" kuro

Tulak_Hord

Like I said earlier, I really don't care about about Pioneer or Sony's event, Considering how a digital camera is a poor judgment of how television quality.

Anyway, the first LED LCD was a samsung the 81 series, so Sony didn't invent LED. Anyway, I work with TV's and I know for a fact the XBR4 cannot compare with a plasma. The 120Hz was decent, but the black levels sucked. The Samsung 71 series had better black levels.

So I will have to see the XBR8, and I can bet it doesn't look as a plasma with black levels. Not when the black levels on the W series looks like crap.

and the reason im compairing Sony to Pioneer is bcz Pioneer is said to be the best Black, but proof shows sony beat them with the XBR8, ill check into it personally later this year, but i can tell u knwo the XBR4 is a very much underrated LCD and looks amazing (wiht the lights on too 0) ) also i never said it had the best blacks, but it was the 1st LCD line that can compaire to a Plasma.

and dont bring the W series in bcz Bravia Engine 2PROTM Technology (XBR8) vs Bravia Engine 2TM Technology (W series)

XBR is a high end sony TV, the others are pretty bad in comparison

The W and Z series are Sony's best TV's in the market. We have recieved XBR6's but they haven't been displayed yet. Anyway, the XBR8 is an LED TV, not OLED. The first OLED was a Sony 11" 480p TV . The XBR8 uses an LED backlight which was first used by Samsung, and OLED TV's don't require a backlight to process video.

And the XBR4 was actually overrated. Everyone I know who bought it, got it because it was a sony, and the TV didn't look as good as a 71 series.....how do I know because I spent eveyday watching all the XBR's strating from the XBR2's to XBR5's till they were clearanced and gotten rid off, and I can say the same about the 71 series.

The Xbr4 was not even as good as the panasonic 700 series (they were out at the same time) when it came to black levels.....I will not judge other colors since some people prefer their other colors on TV's in a certain way (brighter or darker, I prefer darker).

I am not putting words in your mount, you are the one that said Sony invented OLED, so therefore it will be the best am I wrong? If you were not implying that the XBR8 was OLED, then it was not even necessary to mention them making the 1st OLED TV. They are 2 different things.

Like I said the W and Z series are the best Sony TV's we have on display. the XBR6's have been recieved but I havent displayed them (the 40+) the 32 and 37XBR6's are worse than the W and Z series. I said the W and Z series are the best Sony'a availabe on display, you are free to read my posts again.

Besides were did you get the info about the green pallete on Panasonics....the cnet review. Panasonic's don't have a greenist hue, they are quite dim however.

the panasonics at the time of buying my XBR4 last year had what appeared to be a green tint

as for the W and Z series, dont try to say they are good, bcz they arnt... they are sub-standard tv's IMHO the only good TV's sony has made is the XBR series

Screw that Dell 27" screen. Screw the 50" Kuro.

Get a $800 projector like the Benq W500... you'll have a giant screen. With the money left over buy an insane computer.

Both your consoles and your PC can be attached to the projector. With the computer get a regular sized monitor.

That's what I would do.

CPM_basic

[QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="tbolt76"]

STOP, DON'T GET THE KURO...INSTEAD, INVEST IN A SONY XBR8.

LOOK HERE

While the plasma is great, LCDs are a far better choice if you are going to be gaming. Then later on, when you do get that gaming PC, your XBR will be able to double as a monitor.

tbolt76

LCD's are not a "far" better choice when it comes to gaming. Games like Condemned look better on plasma TV's since they have better black levels.

No it doesn't, even your article doesn'tsay the XBR8 is better, it said the previous demo got owned by a plasm, and sony got a better TV, which looks better than the previous one.

Even the Samsung 950 with LED, 120Hz and dynamic contrast ratio of 2,000,000:1 doesn't have as good blacks as a Pioneer Kuro.

Sony whom with their last generation TV's had lower native and dynamic contrast ratio's than samsung, even when they went outside the norm by making their dynamic C.R.'s 9x native C.R. when eveyone was making it five times native.

Anyway, before you make a comparison as grand as this (especially with TV's) compare them with your eyes not a digital camera.

the Kuro VS sony TV form pinoneer's event was with an old Sony LCD, not even an XBR

SONY XBR8 VS Pinoneer TV (maybe kuro)

if anything the XBR8 matches the "extreme contrast concept" kuro

Like I said earlier, I really don't care about about Pioneer or Sony's event, Considering how a digital camera is a poor judgment of how television quality.

Anyway, the first LED LCD was a samsung the 81 series, so Sony didn't invent LED. Anyway, I work with TV's and I know for a fact the XBR4 cannot compare with a plasma. The 120Hz was decent, but the black levels sucked. The Samsung 71 series had better black levels.

So I will have to see the XBR8, and I can bet it doesn't look as a plasma with black levels. Not when the black levels on the W series looks like crap.

and the reason im compairing Sony to Pioneer is bcz Pioneer is said to be the best Black, but proof shows sony beat them with the XBR8, ill check into it personally later this year, but i can tell u knwo the XBR4 is a very much underrated LCD and looks amazing (wiht the lights on too 0) ) also i never said it had the best blacks, but it was the 1st LCD line that can compaire to a Plasma.

and dont bring the W series in bcz Bravia Engine 2PROTM Technology (XBR8) vs Bravia Engine 2TM Technology (W series)

XBR is a high end sony TV, the others are pretty bad in comparison

The W and Z series are Sony's best TV's in the market. We have recieved XBR6's but they haven't been displayed yet. Anyway, the XBR8 is an LED TV, not OLED. The first OLED was a Sony 11" 480p TV . The XBR8 uses an LED backlight which was first used by Samsung, and OLED TV's don't require a backlight to process video.

And the XBR4 was actually overrated. Everyone I know who bought it, got it because it was a sony, and the TV didn't look as good as a 71 series.....how do I know because I spent eveyday watching all the XBR's strating from the XBR2's to XBR5's till they were clearanced and gotten rid off, and I can say the same about the 71 series.

The Xbr4 was not even as good as the panasonic 700 series (they were out at the same time) when it came to black levels.....I will not judge other colors since some people prefer their other colors on TV's in a certain way (brighter or darker, I prefer darker).

A few things...

First, for all of the Samsung is better than the XBR? People...Samsung gets their boards from Sony. They saturate the colors and the 81 had an LED backlight compared to flourescent CCFL tubes. The fact that the black levels were even comparible underlines the inferiority of the Samsung 81 series. Also, Samsung used 8-bit screens as opposed to 10-bit screens. What does that matter? An 8-bit screen can display can display 16 million colors while a 10-bit screen can produce aprproximately 1 billion colors. While every will say the human eye cannot see that many colors (38 million colors is what the human eye can detect), it is nice to know that all of the colors I can see will be visable on my TV.

Secondly, the XBR8 has a Triluminous LED backlight. What does that mean? Well, instead of white light, the LEDs are in cluster of RGB, meaning deeper more vibrant colors, less saturation, better color transitions. Add local dimming and you are getting the best blacks in an LCD TV and blcks just as good, if not better than many plasma TVs out there to go with the far superior colors LCD TVs produce over plasma TV's.

As for Tulak_Hord, you work in a big box (Best Buy, Circuit City etc.) and they couldn't display water in a pool. There is no way you can go into one of those stores to determine which picture on what TV looks better. I've been in a store where a Vizio had a better picture than a Samsung 71, which is impossible. Quit your job and go work at a high end shop, that displays the product correctly, you will see a difference.

By the way, the Z series TV uses a 10-bit panel with 10-bit processing also.

I actually work in Magnolia Home Theater, and that is actually quite high end enough. I am also in charge of the "end of life" merchandise, so I look at every single product we sell in the store focusing on Magnolia Home Theater, and I determine the days they have to be sold off.

I also take returned televisions, and display them in places where people will purchase them, I also connect them to whateveer source, and sound system I want in order to sell them quickly, I also price. So I spend some of my shifts just positioning returned and end of life TV's and pricing them. So from time to time I can spend an entire shift just watching TV's and setting their convergence to whatever I deem looks perfect with the lighting, so I don't think you have the clout to tell me I should work at a place that displays them correctly or to quit my job and work for a high end shop.

So like I have been telling the previous guy I was arguing with, the XBR4's are not as good as the Kuro's with black levels, and Sony's best TV's, I have on display are the Z&W series, and they cannot compare to a Kuro. All I told him was that at the moment there is no LCD that can beat a Kuro with pure black levels, and I will have to wait and see the XBR8, and I still doubt it will beat a Kuro in that aspect, and like I said earlier other colors on the TV depend on taste, and I will not say a plasma displays red colors, etc better because that will be opinion since some people prefer brighter colors to darker more realistic tones (like movie modes).

Anyway, like I was saying earlier too, when it comes to raw performance the samsung out perform the Sony's out now, till the XBR's come out, then I will test those and see. I really don't give a hoot about this engine and that engine, anyone can write on paper what their engine and backlight does, but I am not going to dissect the TV to se what the lamp actually is anyway.

Anyway, if you have ever been to a Magnolia section in best buy, and the normal best buy sales floo, the room lightngs are different, so I will definitely not call that a box, I will call it more opportunities to actually see which TV is better at what.

[QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"] The TV sony compaired it wiht was confirmed a pioneer, but some say it was infact a Kuro, and sony has always had the best LCDs too, the XBR4 was the 1st of its kind that could compaire to Plasma's, and the XBR8 has beat them, and considerinfg the fact they made OLED TVs they know what they are doing, a lot more thatn Samsung

the Kuro VS sony TV form pinoneer's event was with an old Sony LCD, not even an XBR

SONY XBR8 VS Pinoneer TV (maybe kuro)

if anything the XBR8 matches the "extreme contrast concept" kuro

zomgwtfbbqlol1

the panasonics at the time of buying my XBR4 last year had what appeared to be a green tint

as for the W and Z series, dont try to say they are good, bcz they arnt... they are sub-standard tv's IMHO the only good TV's sony has made is the XBR series

Yes you said Sony invented OLED, look at your post I underlined, and bolded.

Anyway, Sony's best TV we have are the W and Z series. I haven't seen the XBR6's they are in boxes and I don't have a spot on the planogram to put them up, so I have to sell the ones on the wall to put up the XBR6, and I don't have as much leeway to display any TV I want since we are remodelling. But I might display one next week to see how it looks.

And with the Panasonic's the ones we have now even the older 700 and ISF calibrated 750 have no greenish tint, it might be in the convergence setting.

Anyway, I am not knocking the XBR series.....well the XBR5 was a letdown since it offered nothing new but interchangable glossy faceplates. But the XBR8 is not out yet, and it is dangerous to make a black level comparison thru a camera.

[QUOTE="SeanBond"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="SeanBond"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"]

The W and Z series are Sony's best TV's in the market. We have recieved XBR6's but they haven't been displayed yet. Anyway, the XBR8 is an LED TV, not OLED. The first OLED was a Sony 11" 480p TV . The XBR8 uses an LED backlight which was first used by Samsung, and OLED TV's don't require a backlight to process video.

And the XBR4 was actually overrated. Everyone I know who bought it, got it because it was a sony, and the TV didn't look as good as a 71 series.....how do I know because I spent eveyday watching all the XBR's strating from the XBR2's to XBR5's till they were clearanced and gotten rid off, and I can say the same about the 71 series.

The Xbr4 was not even as good as the panasonic 700 series (they were out at the same time) when it came to black levels.....I will not judge other colors since some people prefer their other colors on TV's in a certain way (brighter or darker, I prefer darker).

Bebi_vegeta

The Sony XBRs are awesome for LCDs. Awesome for LCDs. But when it comes to picture, you still can't beat a plasma, as most of the reviews of Panasonic's better models will confirm. As to the Kuro...Well, it's the best plasma out there, which basically makes it the best overall TV out there. The picture quality is awesome, and the black level is...sick.

50" Kuro or a computer? I'm assuming you have a computer now (which is how you posted this question), so I'd say it's no contest; take the Kuro. No matter how good TV technology gets in the next few years, that'll still be a work of art, and in 6 months to a year you'll be able to buy a better computer for cheaper than that one right now. Then again, if you've got a nice TV right now (an aforementioned Panasonic, Sony, or Pioneer HDTV, for example), maybe wait on the Kuro, and get the computer.

I know XBR's are good for LCD's I consider sony to be the second best after samsung, but I was trying to tell him to get off the hype train and see it is not as good as a Kuro. :D

Yeah I know, I was agreeing with you, even if it didn't seem that way.

hmmm... just general information... why are plasma cheaper then lcd at futurshop theses days?

What TV....it might be that the LCD is 120Hz....

Plasma is still alive?MrGrimFandango

Their are 9 "excellent" rated HDTV's at CNET, 6 out of those 9 are Plasmas, and 2 out of those 9 are LCD's. Want to ask that question again?

I always go with the higher resolution. Meaning I would rather take a 2560 x 1600 res monitor than even a Pioneer Kuro. jetpower3

Well that's pretty dumb, considering the Imaging Science Foundation, a group that consults home-theater manufactures, and trains professional calibrators rates Contrast Ratio as the # 1 aspect for good picture quality, color saturation # 2, color accuracy # 3, and resolution is a distant 4th.

All resolution does is allow you to sit closer to the image.

[QUOTE="jetpower3"]I always go with the higher resolution. Meaning I would rather take a 2560 x 1600 res monitor than even a Pioneer Kuro. GioVela2010

Well that's pretty dumb, considering the Imaging Science Foundation, a group that consults home-theater manufactures, and trains professional calibrators rates Contrast Ratio as the # 1 aspect for good picture quality, color saturation # 2, color accuracy # 3, and resolution is a distant 4th.

All resolution does is allow you to sit closer to the image.

Well to me that's most important, and I'll rate what's most important to me, not some specific scientific organization. I for one prefer extra clarity more than the way the colors look, or how light or dark everything is.

screw the computer, thats a sexy tv 8)Mr_Apple_Soup

damn tc so loaded.

anyway. sexy sexy tv 8)

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="SeanBond"]

Yeah I know, I was agreeing with you, even if it didn't seem that way.

Tulak_Hord

hmmm... just general information... why are plasma cheaper then lcd at futurshop theses days?

What TV....it might be that the LCD is 120Hz....

Because i'm really looking to purchase a nice 50inch HDTV... just don't know what tv to get... any suggestion?

Another thing, Crysis maxed out at 1366x768 would look better than Crysis High at 1920x1200. Well at optimum viewing distances for both resolutions anyway..

[QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="SeanBond"]

Yeah I know, I was agreeing with you, even if it didn't seem that way.

Bebi_vegeta

hmmm... just general information... why are plasma cheaper then lcd at futurshop theses days?

What TV....it might be that the LCD is 120Hz....

Because i'm really looking to purchase a nice 50inch HDTV... just don't know what tv to get... any suggestion?

One of the upper echelon Panasonic Vieras (if you don't have infinite money to spend) or a Pioneer Kuro Elite (if you do). If you must get an LCD, the 120hz ones are pretty nice (go Samsung if you can), although on movies eliminating all the motion blur looks almost too real, so it's a little jarring.

Forget the 50'' and spend $800 and build yourself a good top of the line pc. Add in a couple of hundred for a monitor and you have a great setup that will last you. Then take that $1000 you have left and use it for something else or buy a tv.Whiteblade999

Tulak_Hord, Magnolia is just Best Buy with carpet. The displays still are terrible. It's not the lighting in the room, it's the content on the screen. Most of the stuff is bad. Standard definition or terrible picture settings. I have walked into a "Magnolia" in the area and have seen burned in images on their plasmas. I don't want to hear "well my store is different," it isn't.

Comparing a Samsung 71/81 series to a Sony XBR, even though they are supposed to compete, is no contest. Where Samsung wins out is in marketing and pricing, and that's because they use inferior components. Sony has the better engine and screens which translate to an overall better picture.

As far as the XBR8, go to a Sony Style store, they have them up and displayed correctly. In fact they are taking pre-orders (my TV shoulld be here in 2 weeks or less). What else is refreshing, the sales staff is knowledgable, unlike most other places. I have shopped Magnolia, The Big Screen Store and Myer Emco, before wandering into a Sony Style store. Other than Myer Emco, Sony's store had the best knowledge and displays. The fact that htey had an XBR8 (as well as XBR6s) on display, led me to purchase from there.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

hmmm... just general information... why are plasma cheaper then lcd at futurshop theses days?

SeanBond

What TV....it might be that the LCD is 120Hz....

Because i'm really looking to purchase a nice 50inch HDTV... just don't know what tv to get... any suggestion?

One of the upper echelon Panasonic Vieras (if you don't have infinite money to spend) or a Pioneer Kuro Elite (if you do). If you must get an LCD, the 120hz ones are pretty nice (go Samsung if you can), although on movies eliminating all the motion blur looks almost too real, so it's a little jarring.

Thanx!

Another thing, Crysis maxed out at 1366x768 would look better than Crysis High at 1920x1200. Well at optimum viewing distances for both resolutions anyway..

GioVela2010

Can you explain why... I think high resolution looks better there since there is less jaggies.

You Yanks are so lucky ...

That TV dont cost alot ... AT ALL

If i were to buy the same TV in the UK, it would be way more. Oh the Magic of imports ...

Tulak_Hord, Magnolia is just Best Buy with carpet. The displays still are terrible. It's not the lighting in the room, it's the content on the screen. Most of the stuff is bad. Standard definition or terrible picture settings. I have walked into a "Magnolia" in the area and have seen burned in images on their plasmas. I don't want to hear "well my store is different," it isn't.

Comparing a Samsung 71/81 series to a Sony XBR, even though they are supposed to compete, is no contest. Where Samsung wins out is in marketing and pricing, and that's because they use inferior components. Sony has the better engine and screens which translate to an overall better picture.

As far as the XBR8, go to a Sony Style store, they have them up and displayed correctly. In fact they are taking pre-orders (my TV shoulld be here in 2 weeks or less). What else is refreshing, the sales staff is knowledgable, unlike most other places. I have shopped Magnolia, The Big Screen Store and Myer Emco, before wandering into a Sony Style store. Other than Myer Emco, Sony's store had the best knowledge and displays. The fact that htey had an XBR8 (as well as XBR6s) on display, led me to purchase from there.

tbolt76

And yes, if you actually have been to multiple Best Buy's Magnolias ARE different. I have been to and voluntarily worked and 4 different stores, and outr planograms and layouts are different. For the General overview some stores have 2 studios, and some have just one. Going to one store, they have two different televisions one calibrated and the other non calibrated,standing side by side, our store doesn't have that. On my store I displayed a Samsung 950 in the corner with Blu-ray, a Denon 3808 receiever (returned), and two Deftech Bipolar supertowers......my neighboring store doesn't have that.....because I was the one that displayed that. Plus in our Studio most of what is on display there us just what ever display is wanted while the other is a speaker room.

And when you walk into a room, and not only the televisions upgrade, but the speakers too, I will call that more than Best Buy with carpet.

Especially when models like XBR's go in Magnolia, and the regular Sony's go in core, and so on, it is more than just a change in lighting, so I wouldn't argue with someone who actually works inside a store and does planograms about all stores being the same. And if went to a store and the plasma was burnt in, you either looked at crappy plasma or the associates never turned on the pixel orbiter.

And like I said before I don't listen to believe talk about engines and and so on, I can read off of a paper and talk about specs all day, but when you actually get into becoming a good salesman, talk about engines bore people and downright experience go longer ways. Saying that Sony's have better components is just straight up bias especially coming from someone who goes to only Sony stores. Unless a person can dissect a TV tell me what each engine, and component does and show it in actual performace, it is just blind speculation. And I have been there with the Sony, Kuro, mitsubishi, sharp, panasonic, samsung, etc reps. Especially the Sony reps that walk in touting how their engines are better, and they cannot show me in actual performance. So your only argument is 71's and 81's have inferior components to XBRs, so they suck is an argument that cannot be proven unless you check sony's website and start touting numbers, and the same can be done when you go to samsung's website :roll: N E way, comparing a 71 to an XBR4, the 71 actually did have better black levels, and better looking black levels, the 120Hz on the 71 looked better too when on any setting but on High, then it looked terrible, and this wascompared while playing the same transformers on a samsung BD/HDVD player.....yes I have enough time on my hands to do that sometimes ;) Like I said before I will not judge the XBR8 since I haven't recieved it yet, and I will definitely test it side by side with the 950, and see which one has a better picture.

Any when you go to a sony store OF COURSE the employees know more about sony.....they have been brainwashed to believe that bravia engines are better than everything else. It is like walking into a Mac store, a talking to Mac salesman who doesn't know about macs.......IT IS THE ONLY BRAND THEY SELL!!! Real salesmen have to learn ALL top TV brands, audio, and sources. So I have to learn about not only sony, but samsung, deftech, mirage, denon, pioneer, yamaha, klipsch, etc. So your argument about them being knowledgable is kind of a moot point.

Whew, what a waste of time, enough about this meaningiless argument. Kuro's have the best black level.

[QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

hmmm... just general information... why are plasma cheaper then lcd at futurshop theses days?

Bebi_vegeta

What TV....it might be that the LCD is 120Hz....

Because i'm really looking to purchase a nice 50inch HDTV... just don't know what tv to get... any suggestion?

For 50' you can only get plasma, LCD's go to 52". For plasma get a Panasonic or Kuro. They have the best burn in protection, LG's are not too good with burn in yet, and Hitachi's take a while to kick in.

When buying a plasma, you definitely want to get one with a perfect pixel orbiter. (Panasonic or Kuro), I came to this conclusion thru testing. And yes, I did this by leaving a BD disc menu of ghost rider on for 6 hours straight. The LG's burn in was pretty bad, the Hitachi burnt in what it washed off in about 2 minutes, but the Panasonic and Pioneers have not burn in whatsoever. (It's better for me to try this in a place with near infinte TV's and already large electric bill :D )

As for LCD get a Samsung, Sony or Mitsubishi. 120Hz is not a necessity, since it looks terrible in certain scenarios, like Pirates of the Carribean, or movies like that. Samsungs have a glossy plasma looking screen...from the 580 series, 650 and up, it definitely appears to make the picture look more crisp, but the 630 has a matte finish screen with very little reflection....like sony screens.

Get the Gaming PC. The most AAA/AA exclusives as well as the most AAA/AA multiplats.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Tulak_Hord"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

hmmm... just general information... why are plasma cheaper then lcd at futurshop theses days?

Tulak_Hord

What TV....it might be that the LCD is 120Hz....

Because i'm really looking to purchase a nice 50inch HDTV... just don't know what tv to get... any suggestion?

For 50' you can only get plasma, LCD's go to 52". For plasma get a Panasonic or Kuro. They have the best burn in protection, LG's are not too good with burn in yet, and Hitachi's take a while to kick in.

When buying a plasma, you definitely want to get one with a perfect pixel orbiter. (Panasonic or Kuro), I came to this conclusion thru testing. And yes, I did this by leaving a BD disc menu of ghost rider on for 6 hours straight. The LG's burn in was pretty bad, the Hitachi burnt in what it washed off in about 2 minutes, but the Panasonic and Pioneers have not burn in whatsoever. (It's better for me to try this in a place with near infinte TV's and already large electric bill :D )

As for LCD get a Samsung, Sony or Mitsubishi. 120Hz is not a necessity, since it looks terrible in certain scenarios, like Pirates of the Carribean, or movies like that. Samsungs have a glossy plasma looking screen...from the 580 series, 650 and up, it definitely appears to make the picture look more crisp, but the 630 has a matte finish screen with very little reflection....like sony screens.

Wow, thanx! This helps alot and I trust you.

I guess the bottom line to this thread (if the TC is still following the responses at all) is that it comes down to this: What do you want more? The PC will benefit you more from a gaming perspective, since you're essentially buying an oversized monitor (the Kuro), or an entire PC, complete with smaller, less sexy monitor. On the other hand, with the Kuro, you'll be getting an extremely impressive centerpiece for your home entertainment center, so if you'll get more use out of that than a beefed-up computer, go with the Kuro.

A little off topic, don't be afraid of burn-in for plasmas. If you buy from a good brand (Pioneer, and Panasonic, as previously mentioned), your risk of burning in your screen is about as big as it would be if you were using a CRT. Simply put, good plasmas don't really get much burn-in anymore. Back when I was deciding on an LCD vs. Plasma, a lot of people were telling me to go LCD because I'd be gaming on it, and the burn-in of the plasma would bite me in the ass. I did some research, talked to some knowledgeable people (yes, some were from Best Buy's home theater and Magnolia), and realized that since burn-in wasn't going to be an issue, I should stick with the superior picture of the Plasma. A year + later, I've played hundreds of hours of games on the plasma, left menu screens on for a while, played games with HUDs that stay on screen at all times and...not a hint of burn-in. LCDs are an improving technology, but they're not on Plasma's level quite yet.

two grand on a PC is pretty... exessive.

Just save up again and get a computer for a better price, or a new monitor.

Or just hoor your PC up to your new TV.