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#51  Edited By Antwan3K
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@Nonstop-Madness said:
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seems pretty damn significant.. 😐

So turns out that data is actually wrong and I can prove it.

Those numbers come from this report from Sony:

https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/business_segment_meeting/pdf/2024/presen_E.pdf (note: both data sets are from April 2024)

The problem? It's Monthly Active *Consoles*.

The person who created the report took Sony's reports MAU and subtracted MAC. That's *wrong*. lol

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well, this is the data that YOU posted in another thread..

and what exactly is the difference between an "active console" and "active user" using the console?..

It sure is and, unfortunately the research firm was wrong based on Sony's public data.

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Active consoles is the number of devices that connect to PSN.

Active users is the number of unique user logins that connect to PSN.

I.e. you can have multiple active users on a single piece of hardware. MAU and # of consoles isn't one to one.

i'd wager that the data is good enough for a random gaming forum discussion.. 🤷‍♂️ but if you have more accurate numbers, please feel free to present them and provide the links..

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#52 Nonstop-Madness
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@Antwan3K said:
@Nonstop-Madness said:
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@ghostofgolden said:

actually, in terms of people playing Call of Duty: Black Ops 6, more people are choosing to play on Xbox rather than PlayStation..

The launch of Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 marked a major event, and player preferences have clearly shifted. While the franchise traditionally dominated on PlayStation, the trend has completely reversed in the United States: 47% of players are on Xbox Series, compared to 31% on PS5 - link

the PS5 has outsold the Xbox Series X|S by more than 3:1 yet more people are playing Black Ops 6 on Xbox Series.. Game Pass is the reason for that shift..

sure, for the month of December, there was more money generated on PlayStation due to retail sales but in the long run, the real money is made with microtransactions.. and Xbox has the bigger pool of potential customers due to Game Pass..

per usual, you only see things through the lens of "unit sales" despite the gaming industry showing you that the measurement of success has shifted to "active players"..

47% of the Series S | X install base is smaller than 31% of PS5s install base.

this is in reference to Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 players specifically..

47% of Black Ops 6 player base are doing so via an Xbox Series console compared to the 31% choosing to play on PS5..

Your first sentence literally says "more people are playing Black Ops 6 on Xbox Series".

A greater *share* of people are playing on Xbox but, not *more* people. That tanks your reasonsing.

There are more "active players" on Black Ops 6 on PS5 than Xbox.

PS5 provides more "unit sales", AND more "active players" based on that report.

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#53  Edited By Antwan3K
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@Nonstop-Madness said:
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The launch of Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 marked a major event, and player preferences have clearly shifted. While the franchise traditionally dominated on PlayStation, the trend has completely reversed in the United States: 47% of players are on Xbox Series, compared to 31% on PS5 - link

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47% of the Series S | X install base is smaller than 31% of PS5s install base.

this is in reference to Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 players specifically..

47% of Black Ops 6 player base are doing so via an Xbox Series console compared to the 31% choosing to play on PS5..

Your first sentence literally says "more people are playing Black Ops 6 on Xbox Series".

A greater *share* of people are playing on Xbox but, not *more* people. That tanks your reasonsing.

There are more "active players" on Black Ops 6 on PS5 than Xbox.

PS5 provides more "unit sales", AND more "active players" based on that report.

let's make this as simple as possible.. let's say Black Ops has 1 million players.. and let's say 60% of the those players are on Xbox Series X|S and 40% of the players are on PS5.. that's 600,000 players on Xbox and 400,000 on PlayStation.. Xbox has the higher percentage of players and, therefore, has more players..

this isn't a discussion about the entirety of the Xbox Series install base versus the entirety of the PS5 install base.. this is a discussion about the entirety of the Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 player base.. and 47% of that base is on Xbox Series versus 31% on PS5..

i mean, look at your original statement of "47% of the Series S | X install base is smaller than 31% of PS5s install base.".. true, but that isn't what we're talking about..

Your reasoning is that since PS5 has sold more consoles (to the tune of 3:1), that means they automatically have more players.. This isn't the case.. for your logic to work, the report would have to say "47% of Xbox Series owners are playing Black Ops 6 versus 31% of PS5 owners".. the report isn't saying that..

ultimately, there are indeed more people playing Black Ops 6 on Xbox Series than PS5 and that's clearly due to Game Pass..

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@Antwan3K said:
@dabear said:
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🤣 and Lems are going to try to spin this as a positive thing for Xbox!

How is it not? MS is making money, which means they are going to keep making games, which means games will be available for my Xbox.

Get ready - you know who is really paying attention to this? Sony shareholders.

and last time i checked, shareholders don't care about fanboy bragging rights..

Nope. All we (I have 2 mutual funds that have Sony as a stock) care about is stock price and dividends. If Sony can make me more money by moving all their games to every platform out there, that's where my vote is going to go.

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@Antwan3K said:
@Nonstop-Madness said:
@Antwan3K said:

this is in reference to Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 players specifically..

47% of Black Ops 6 player base are doing so via an Xbox Series console compared to the 31% choosing to play on PS5..

Your first sentence literally says "more people are playing Black Ops 6 on Xbox Series".

A greater *share* of people are playing on Xbox but, not *more* people. That tanks your reasonsing.

There are more "active players" on Black Ops 6 on PS5 than Xbox.

PS5 provides more "unit sales", AND more "active players" based on that report.

let's make this as simple as possible.. let's say Black Ops has 1 million players.. and let's say 60% of the those players are on Xbox Series X|S and 40% of the players are on PS5.. that's 600,000 players on Xbox and 400,000 on PlayStation.. Xbox has the higher percentage of players and, therefore, has more players..

this isn't a discussion about the entirety of the Xbox Series install base versus the entirety of the PS5 install base.. this is a discussion about the entirety of the Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 player base.. and 47% of that base is on Xbox Series versus 31% on PS5..

i mean, look at your original statement of "47% of the Series S | X install base is smaller than 31% of PS5s install base.".. true, but that isn't what we're talking about..

Your reasoning is that since PS5 has sold more consoles (to the tune of 3:1), that means they automatically have more players.. This isn't the case.. for your logic to work, the report would have to say "47% of Xbox Series owners are playing Black Ops 6 versus 31% of PS5 owners".. the report isn't saying that..

ultimately, there are indeed more people playing Black Ops 6 on Xbox Series than PS5 and that's clearly due to Game Pass..

The actual source does say that.

47% of all active Xbox Series users vs 31% of all active PS5 users

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#56  Edited By Antwan3K
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@Nonstop-Madness said:
@Antwan3K said:
@Nonstop-Madness said:
@Antwan3K said:

this is in reference to Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 players specifically..

47% of Black Ops 6 player base are doing so via an Xbox Series console compared to the 31% choosing to play on PS5..

Your first sentence literally says "more people are playing Black Ops 6 on Xbox Series".

A greater *share* of people are playing on Xbox but, not *more* people. That tanks your reasonsing.

There are more "active players" on Black Ops 6 on PS5 than Xbox.

PS5 provides more "unit sales", AND more "active players" based on that report.

let's make this as simple as possible.. let's say Black Ops has 1 million players.. and let's say 60% of the those players are on Xbox Series X|S and 40% of the players are on PS5.. that's 600,000 players on Xbox and 400,000 on PlayStation.. Xbox has the higher percentage of players and, therefore, has more players..

this isn't a discussion about the entirety of the Xbox Series install base versus the entirety of the PS5 install base.. this is a discussion about the entirety of the Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 player base.. and 47% of that base is on Xbox Series versus 31% on PS5..

i mean, look at your original statement of "47% of the Series S | X install base is smaller than 31% of PS5s install base.".. true, but that isn't what we're talking about..

Your reasoning is that since PS5 has sold more consoles (to the tune of 3:1), that means they automatically have more players.. This isn't the case.. for your logic to work, the report would have to say "47% of Xbox Series owners are playing Black Ops 6 versus 31% of PS5 owners".. the report isn't saying that..

ultimately, there are indeed more people playing Black Ops 6 on Xbox Series than PS5 and that's clearly due to Game Pass..

The actual source does say that.

47% of all active Xbox Series users vs 31% of all active PS5 users

that's not what the link i used says:

a simple exercise in critical thinking shows the truth:

how many PS5 have been sold?.. around 70 million?.. so 31% of 70 million is 21.7 million..

do you honestly think Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 has sold 21.7 million copies on just the PS5 in less than one week?..

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@Antwan3K said:
@Nonstop-Madness said:
@Antwan3K said:

let's make this as simple as possible.. let's say Black Ops has 1 million players.. and let's say 60% of the those players are on Xbox Series X|S and 40% of the players are on PS5.. that's 600,000 players on Xbox and 400,000 on PlayStation.. Xbox has the higher percentage of players and, therefore, has more players..

this isn't a discussion about the entirety of the Xbox Series install base versus the entirety of the PS5 install base.. this is a discussion about the entirety of the Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 player base.. and 47% of that base is on Xbox Series versus 31% on PS5..

i mean, look at your original statement of "47% of the Series S | X install base is smaller than 31% of PS5s install base.".. true, but that isn't what we're talking about..

Your reasoning is that since PS5 has sold more consoles (to the tune of 3:1), that means they automatically have more players.. This isn't the case.. for your logic to work, the report would have to say "47% of Xbox Series owners are playing Black Ops 6 versus 31% of PS5 owners".. the report isn't saying that..

ultimately, there are indeed more people playing Black Ops 6 on Xbox Series than PS5 and that's clearly due to Game Pass..

The actual source does say that.

47% of all active Xbox Series users vs 31% of all active PS5 users

that's not what the link i used says:

a simple exercise in critical thinking shows the truth:

how many PS5 have been sold?.. around 70 million?.. so 31% of 71 million is 21.7 million..

do you honestly think Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 has sold 21.7 million copies on just the PS5 in less than one month?..

I did some digging and both of the sources posted get their numbers from this post from Circana:

https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:bhqrrxt7yyfpwguioa7rwa7x/post/3la4yluig6s26

Circana is talking about Call of Duty HQ and *not* Black Ops 6.

So basically, this whole exercise is a bust. It just says 31% of active PS5 users engage with COD HQ vs 47% on Xbox Series.

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Either way, we should know more about Xbox's financials this afternoon when MS announces their earnings.

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Hahaha. MS will just port more games to PS and bye bye Xbox home console.

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@Nonstop-Madness said:
@Antwan3K said:
@Nonstop-Madness said:
@Antwan3K said:

let's make this as simple as possible.. let's say Black Ops has 1 million players.. and let's say 60% of the those players are on Xbox Series X|S and 40% of the players are on PS5.. that's 600,000 players on Xbox and 400,000 on PlayStation.. Xbox has the higher percentage of players and, therefore, has more players..

this isn't a discussion about the entirety of the Xbox Series install base versus the entirety of the PS5 install base.. this is a discussion about the entirety of the Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 player base.. and 47% of that base is on Xbox Series versus 31% on PS5..

i mean, look at your original statement of "47% of the Series S | X install base is smaller than 31% of PS5s install base.".. true, but that isn't what we're talking about..

Your reasoning is that since PS5 has sold more consoles (to the tune of 3:1), that means they automatically have more players.. This isn't the case.. for your logic to work, the report would have to say "47% of Xbox Series owners are playing Black Ops 6 versus 31% of PS5 owners".. the report isn't saying that..

ultimately, there are indeed more people playing Black Ops 6 on Xbox Series than PS5 and that's clearly due to Game Pass..

The actual source does say that.

47% of all active Xbox Series users vs 31% of all active PS5 users

that's not what the link i used says:

a simple exercise in critical thinking shows the truth:

how many PS5 have been sold?.. around 70 million?.. so 31% of 71 million is 21.7 million..

do you honestly think Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 has sold 21.7 million copies on just the PS5 in less than one month?..

I did some digging and both of the sources posted get their numbers from this post from Circana:

https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:bhqrrxt7yyfpwguioa7rwa7x/post/3la4yluig6s26

Circana is talking about Call of Duty HQ and *not* Black Ops 6.

So basically, this whole exercise is a bust. It just says 31% of active PS5 users engage with COD HQ vs 47% on Xbox Series.

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Either way, we should know more about Xbox's financials this afternoon when MS announces their earnings.

after that "digging", 47% of Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 players have chosen to game on Xbox compared to 31% are on PlayStation.. This is clearly due to Game Pass..

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@Antwan3K said:
@Nonstop-Madness said:
@Antwan3K said:

that's not what the link i used says:

a simple exercise in critical thinking shows the truth:

how many PS5 have been sold?.. around 70 million?.. so 31% of 71 million is 21.7 million..

do you honestly think Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 has sold 21.7 million copies on just the PS5 in less than one month?..

I did some digging and both of the sources posted get their numbers from this post from Circana:

https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:bhqrrxt7yyfpwguioa7rwa7x/post/3la4yluig6s26

Circana is talking about Call of Duty HQ and *not* Black Ops 6.

So basically, this whole exercise is a bust. It just says 31% of active PS5 users engage with COD HQ vs 47% on Xbox Series.

----

Either way, we should know more about Xbox's financials this afternoon when MS announces their earnings.

it's not a bust.. 47% of Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 players on Xbox and 31% are on PlayStation.. This is clearly due to Game Pass..

not sure why simple accepting that reality is so difficult..

ffs ... it's a percentage of users on said platform and *not* the number of users. Your assesement of more *users* is at the bare minimum misleading since 31% on PS can represent a larger *number* of users than 47% on Xbox.

Are more Xbox gamers playing COD than before because of GamePass? Sorta looks like it but, that is *not* what you said.

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@ghostofgolden: You really need to change the title. If a game is on multiple platforms it's not an Xbox game, it becomes a MS game, wouldn't you agree?

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@Nonstop-Madness said:
@Antwan3K said:
@Nonstop-Madness said:
@Antwan3K said:

that's not what the link i used says:

a simple exercise in critical thinking shows the truth:

how many PS5 have been sold?.. around 70 million?.. so 31% of 71 million is 21.7 million..

do you honestly think Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 has sold 21.7 million copies on just the PS5 in less than one month?..

I did some digging and both of the sources posted get their numbers from this post from Circana:

https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:bhqrrxt7yyfpwguioa7rwa7x/post/3la4yluig6s26

Circana is talking about Call of Duty HQ and *not* Black Ops 6.

So basically, this whole exercise is a bust. It just says 31% of active PS5 users engage with COD HQ vs 47% on Xbox Series.

----

Either way, we should know more about Xbox's financials this afternoon when MS announces their earnings.

it's not a bust.. 47% of Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 players on Xbox and 31% are on PlayStation.. This is clearly due to Game Pass..

not sure why simple accepting that reality is so difficult..

ffs ... it's a percentage of users on said platform and *not* the number of users. Your assesement of more *users* is at the bare minimum misleading since 31% on PS can represent a larger *number* of users than 47% on Xbox.

Are more Xbox gamers playing COD than before because of GamePass? Sorta looks like it but, that is *not* what you said.

ffs, do you really believe Black Ops 6 sold 21.7 million units in one week on just the PS5?.. they are clearly just doing a breakdown of active Black Ops 6 players..

and you can't seem to accept that ends up being more players on Xbox..

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@Antwan3K: WOW dude you really think MS are doing some reverse physocolgy mind trick to get gamers back to Xbox by putting its games on PS 🤣🤣🤣

Just so you know this post is referencing post #19 of yours.

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@SolidGame_basic: Ah classic mis-direction from you Solid. You're trying to turn this into a lem thing when it's an actual cow thing.

See your fanbase is lapping up MS games, because Sony has nothing of its own for its own fanbase. Thats a bad thing for you cows.

The next 2 biggest releases on PS5 are going to be Indy & Doom, both MS games, while Sony will be releasing its generic Baseball yearly release.

You should be on Sony's arse about the lack of games coming from them, but nope you wanna talk about lems and Xbox 🤦‍♂️

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#65  Edited By Antwan3K
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@last_lap said:

@Antwan3K: WOW dude you really think MS are doing some reverse physocolgy mind trick to get gamers back to Xbox by putting its games on PS 🤣🤣🤣

Just so you know this post is referencing post #19 of yours.

i'm just speculating on what ifs.. it's a gaming forum, the exact place for that kind of stuff..

but i've always stated that digital libraries keep gamers locked to a certain ecosystem.. so, in my opinion, there's literally nothing Xbox could do to get PlayStation gamers to leave their PS5.. they have hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars invested in their PS game libraries back from the beginning of the PS4 generation..

which is exactly why Xbox is doing what they are currently doing..

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@Antwan3K: I don't think people care too much about their libraries once a new gen starts. I don't see that as a big factor.

I think it's only a big factor when it comes to MP games, because people invest time and money on skins and the like, but general games I believe no care is given. So if you can transfer your stats from platform to platform (not sure if that's a thing already or not) then that's a way to get people over.

The only other stumbling block i see would be gamerscore/trophies as there are a lot of people who care about that.

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@last_lap said:

@SolidGame_basic: Ah classic mis-direction from you Solid. You're trying to turn this into a lem thing when it's an actual cow thing.

See your fanbase is lapping up MS games, because Sony has nothing of its own for its own fanbase. Thats a bad thing for you cows.

The next 2 biggest releases on PS5 are going to be Indy & Doom, both MS games, while Sony will be releasing its generic Baseball yearly release.

You should be on Sony's arse about the lack of games coming from them, but nope you wanna talk about lems and Xbox 🤦‍♂️

lol whatever helps you Lems sleep at night. MS bought the top publishers and now you’re acting like it wasn’t obvious that they weren’t going to make more money from those acquisitions 😎but what your Lem brethren have a hard time coming to terms with is that MS will eventually go third party, they’re just letting you guys down easy with this “we care about hardware“ talk 😎

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@SolidGame_basic: Again, you just go on a rant about MS.

Start criticising Sony that your fellow cows are buying up MS games because Sony doesn't have anything for them or you. All you've done in the last 2yrs is celebrate third party exclusives because you are unwilling to throw shade at Sony for screwing up its studios.

But please tell me more about MS like I know you will.

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Game Pass, doy.

Why would I buy a game that will remain on the Game Pass indefinitely? I'm going to make value stretch.

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Xbox needs to start charging full price for CoD and delay gamepass launch for 8 months to a year. Also do the same for any large blockbuster release.

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@last_lap said:

@Antwan3K: I don't think people care too much about their libraries once a new gen starts. I don't see that as a big factor.

[..]

respectfully, you're wrong..

being tied to an ecosystem is the reason why it's difficult for an Apple customer to buy the new Samsung.. it's just more convenient to buy the next version of the thing that all your stuff is already linked to..

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@Antwan3K:

Agreed, it's a huge factor for me and I'm sure millions of others.

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I see the usual arguments on both sides here and its kind of frustrating. I was on a friends podcast a couple of days ago and I simplified this argument in this way.

If we both have lemonade stands, and I made 64% of my profit selling at YOUR lemonade stand...........how is that good for YOUR lemonade sales? Would it not cut into your potential sales and profits?

What if you then fell behind on producing your own lemonade because you changed the recipe that your customers liked to something that they didn't? What if I told you "hey, I got you" and sold my lemonade at your stand while you got it together? What if those customers then got used to MY lemonade in that time and did not want to go back? Or didn't have as much money left to spend on your lemonade once you fixed your issue?

I said this in a thread before these numbers came out that MS releasing so many games on PS is an actual threat to Sony's business model.

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@Antwan3K said:
@last_lap said:

@Antwan3K: I don't think people care too much about their libraries once a new gen starts. I don't see that as a big factor.

[..]

respectfully, you're wrong..

being tied to an ecosystem is the reason why it's difficult for an Apple customer to buy the new Samsung.. it's just more convenient to buy the next version of the thing that all your stuff is already linked to..

We're not talking about phones, we're talking about video games. People sell their profiles, people throw away games, give them away, etc. While sure there are others that do care, but I don't think it's as big of a deal as you think it is.

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#75  Edited By Antwan3K
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@last_lap said:
@Antwan3K said:
@last_lap said:

@Antwan3K: I don't think people care too much about their libraries once a new gen starts. I don't see that as a big factor.

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respectfully, you're wrong..

being tied to an ecosystem is the reason why it's difficult for an Apple customer to buy the new Samsung.. it's just more convenient to buy the next version of the thing that all your stuff is already linked to..

We're not talking about phones, we're talking about video games. People sell their profiles, people throw away games, give them away, etc. While sure there are others that do care, but I don't think it's as big of a deal as you think it is.

i'm talking about ecosystems.. and video games have ecosystems now..

it's literally the reason why losing the PS4 gen was the true end to "the console war" as it pretty much assured those PS4 gamers would not buy an Xbox Series console no matter what it offered.. they're "locked in" on PlayStation..

when you have hundreds of games (and thousands of dollars) invested in your PS4 digital gaming library (to include cloud saves), it makes it really easy to just get a PS5 without even considering anything else.. this same logic applies to those PS5 gamers buying a PS6..

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#76  Edited By Last_Lap
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@Antwan3K: People do own multiple gaming devices and also and have accounts across many platforms, that's just an excuse.

So stop peddling Spencer's obvious bs to make excuse for his lack of drive to make Xbox competitive and his defeatist attitude because he has no idea how to compete. He's the literal definition of failing upwards.

And the XB1/PS4 era was not the digital one as a lot of people were still buying games physically, again you're just making excuses for Phils piss poor efforts with Xbox.

If any was the digital age it's this current gen, and that's because Phil is trying his hardest to climate physical media.

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#77  Edited By Antwan3K
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@last_lap: i can agree to disagree but you're wrong..

your point of view on all things related to gaming, including this, is painfully outdated...

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#78 Last_Lap
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@Antwan3K: You're not a gaming exec at MS dude, stop the shilling already.

If you look back at the start of last gen, more games were still being sold physically than digitally, you're just making excuses for Phl AGAIN.

You just refuse to admitt that Phil gave up on Xbox, and the guy couldn't think his way out of a wet paper bag let alone figure out how to make Xbox competitive again. Xbox deserves better than you your boy Spencer.

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@last_lap: you say Phil "gave up on Xbox" yet i have a stacked list of Xbox games i'm going to playing over the next few months via Game Pass.. and that's all before the June Xbox Showcase..

i have an Xbox to play games; not to argue about console sales..

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#80  Edited By GhostOfGolden
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@Antwan3K said:
@last_lap said:

We're not talking about phones, we're talking about video games. People sell their profiles, people throw away games, give them away, etc. While sure there are others that do care, but I don't think it's as big of a deal as you think it is.

i'm talking about ecosystems.. and video games have ecosystems now..

it's literally the reason why losing the PS4 gen was the true end to "the console war" as it pretty much assured those PS4 gamers would not buy an Xbox Series console no matter what it offered.. they're "locked in" on PlayStation..

when you have hundreds of games (and thousands of dollars) invested in your PS4 digital gaming library (to include cloud saves), it makes it really easy to just get a PS5 without even considering anything else.. this same logic applies to those PS5 gamers buying a PS6..

If this is true why have Nintendo and PlayStation been gaining market share? Why do Xbox gamers not have problems abandoning their “ecosystem”? There’s fewer Xbox console gamers this gen than this point last gen. And the gen before that… 🤔🤔🤔

Your narratives continue to fall like dominos

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#81  Edited By Antwan3K
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@ghostofgolden said:
@Antwan3K said:
@last_lap said:

We're not talking about phones, we're talking about video games. People sell their profiles, people throw away games, give them away, etc. While sure there are others that do care, but I don't think it's as big of a deal as you think it is.

i'm talking about ecosystems.. and video games have ecosystems now..

it's literally the reason why losing the PS4 gen was the true end to "the console war" as it pretty much assured those PS4 gamers would not buy an Xbox Series console no matter what it offered.. they're "locked in" on PlayStation..

when you have hundreds of games (and thousands of dollars) invested in your PS4 digital gaming library (to include cloud saves), it makes it really easy to just get a PS5 without even considering anything else.. this same logic applies to those PS5 gamers buying a PS6..

If this is true why have Nintendo and PlayStation been gaining market share? Why do Xbox gamers not have problems abandoning their “ecosystem”? There’s fewer Xbox gamers this gen than this point last gen. And the gen before that… 🤔🤔🤔

Your narratives continue to fall like dominos

PlayStation and Nintendo are gaining market share in hardware, yes..

yet Xbox has more active users than both PlayStation and Nintendo..

yet Xbox has more gaming studios than PlayStation and Nintendo..

yet Xbox has more games announced this year than PlayStation and Nintendo..

these aren't narratives, these are facts..

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@Antwan3K: When you put your games on competing platforms that is a 110% crystal clear indication that you've given up on your on platform.

Why do you continue to defend him when his ACTIONS speak louder than his words?

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@Antwan3K said:

PlayStation and Nintendo are gaining market share in hardware, yes..

yet Xbox has more active users than both PlayStation and Nintendo..

yet Xbox has more gaming studios than PlayStation and Nintendo..

yet Xbox has more games announced this year than PlayStation and Nintendo..

these aren't narratives, these are facts..

Xbox just sold more COD on PlayStation than PC and Xbox combined. Your “active users” and revenue are being propped up by the competition that is also gaining hardware market share. Xbox’s competition is GROWING AND propping up Xbox. That’s how bad things have gotten. Yet here you are…

“Xbox has more studios than Nintendo” Is this really where we are going with this? Talk to me when a Xbox studio sells 63 million copies of a single game on one platform, then we can talk about Nintendo. Until then, 😂🤣😂🤣More studios… This is where list wars has taken us?! 😂🤣😂🤣

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@last_lap: dude, you're a broken record..

again, i'm enjoying all the games coming to my Xbox console.. you should do the same..

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#85 Last_Lap
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@Antwan3K: So by criticising Phil i'm a broken record lol.

I'm not the one who defends Phil every chance I get, you mimick his saying in interviews etc, this guy is like your idol.

You're the broken record here. Unlike you, I'll give Phil credit when he EARNS it, and he hasn't earnt any praise since he's taken over.

I'd like you to defend Phil by saying Xbox has become better under his tenure. I mean that would make for one of the funniest posts ever 🤣

The floors yours...

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@navyguy21 said:

I see the usual arguments on both sides here and its kind of frustrating. I was on a friends podcast a couple of days ago and I simplified this argument in this way.

If we both have lemonade stands, and I made 64% of my profit selling at YOUR lemonade stand...........how is that good for YOUR lemonade sales? Would it not cut into your potential sales and profits?

What if you then fell behind on producing your own lemonade because you changed the recipe that your customers liked to something that they didn't? What if I told you "hey, I got you" and sold my lemonade at your stand while you got it together? What if those customers then got used to MY lemonade in that time and did not want to go back? Or didn't have as much money left to spend on your lemonade once you fixed your issue?

I said this in a thread before these numbers came out that MS releasing so many games on PS is an actual threat to Sony's business model.

yeah...its a trojan horse. You give them games, and then once they start playing those games, you can draw them into the xbox ecosystem. Its a threat to sony of course, because MS has nothing to lose by doing this.

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@blaznwiipspman1 said:
@navyguy21 said:

I see the usual arguments on both sides here and its kind of frustrating. I was on a friends podcast a couple of days ago and I simplified this argument in this way.

If we both have lemonade stands, and I made 64% of my profit selling at YOUR lemonade stand...........how is that good for YOUR lemonade sales? Would it not cut into your potential sales and profits?

What if you then fell behind on producing your own lemonade because you changed the recipe that your customers liked to something that they didn't? What if I told you "hey, I got you" and sold my lemonade at your stand while you got it together? What if those customers then got used to MY lemonade in that time and did not want to go back? Or didn't have as much money left to spend on your lemonade once you fixed your issue?

I said this in a thread before these numbers came out that MS releasing so many games on PS is an actual threat to Sony's business model.

yeah...its a trojan horse. You give them games, and then once they start playing those games, you can draw them into the xbox ecosystem. Its a threat to sony of course, because MS has nothing to lose by doing this.

It wont drive them to Xbox before next generation, but It will definitely drive Sony to PC day and date sooner than they probably thought or hoped

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@navyguy21:I think the one element some folks are missing that is the inevitable future of gaming is portable game purchases. Buy once play on compatible hardware. That train is nearing its destination.

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#89  Edited By Antwan3K
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@last_lap said:

@Antwan3K: [...]

I'd like you to defend Phil by saying Xbox has become better under his tenure.

The floors yours...

Phil Spencer took over in 2014:

Xbox in 2014:

  • Monthly-Active-Users: 37 million
  • Xbox gaming revenue: $1.44 billion
  • Xbox gaming studios: 5

Xbox in 2024:

  • Monthly-Active-Users: 500 million
  • Xbox gaming revenue: $21.5 billion
  • Xbox gaming studios: 40
  • For the first time ever, Xbox became the world's largest game publisher

the results speak for themselves.. 🤷‍♂️

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#90  Edited By Antwan3K
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@ghostofgolden said:
@Antwan3K said:

PlayStation and Nintendo are gaining market share in hardware, yes..

yet Xbox has more active users than both PlayStation and Nintendo..

yet Xbox has more gaming studios than PlayStation and Nintendo..

yet Xbox has more games announced this year than PlayStation and Nintendo..

these aren't narratives, these are facts..

Xbox just sold more COD on PlayStation than PC and Xbox combined. Your “active users” and revenue are being propped up by the competition that is also gaining hardware market share. Xbox’s competition is GROWING AND propping up Xbox. That’s how bad things have gotten. Yet here you are…

“Xbox has more studios than Nintendo” Is this really where we are going with this? Talk to me when a Xbox studio sells 63 million copies of a single game on one platform, then we can talk about Nintendo. Until then, 😂🤣😂🤣More studios… This is where list wars has taken us?! 😂🤣😂🤣

you act like these businesses are run by school children.. "propped up by the competiton"?.. do you know how dumb you sound?.. while you're out here fanboying, the top execs of Xbox and PlayStation probably laugh about this stuff together over dinner on their yachts..

you seem obsessed with hardware but hardware isn't the end-all-be-all for Xbox anymore.. when will this fact penetrate your skull?.. Xbox has the smallest footprint of hardware yet Microsoft/Xbox was literally the largest publisher in the world last month in terms of revenue.. at that point, who cares about who sold more consoles?.. do you honestly think anyone at Xbox cares that PlayStation fans gave Xbox truckloads of money??..

and again,

  • Both Xbox and PlayStation view MAU as a key measurement of success.. Xbox has the most number of MAU..
  • Both Xbox and PlayStation need gaming studios to consistently put out gaming content.. Xbox has the most number of gaming studios..
  • Both Xbox and PlayStation are in the business of making games for gamers.. Xbox has the most games announced..

ultimately, i list the facts and you move the goal post.. that's the entire function of your 3rd account at this point.. 🤡

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@sealionact said:

@SolidGame_basic: “ If people continue to buy most games on other systems, what do you think is going to happen to Xbox?”

It’ll post healthy profits? If most games played on ps are Xbox games what do you think will happen with ps?

sell more console dah. you act like sony sold all there first party. they are working on there next batch of games while xbox releases there games. xbox will be on there next wave of games while sony releases there's. like what happened when the series x launched. xbox had a game drought like sony is now.

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@last_lap said:

@SolidGame_basic: Again, you just go on a rant about MS.

Start criticising Sony that your fellow cows are buying up MS games because Sony doesn't have anything for them or you. All you've done in the last 2yrs is celebrate third party exclusives because you are unwilling to throw shade at Sony for screwing up its studios.

But please tell me more about MS like I know you will.

because cows know after releasing game after game in the beginning of this gen games will run out. takes 5 years to make a big ps game. so in the mean time third party exclusives work to. keep us busy until next wave of games comes. sony had to clean house start making games players want. your saying sony has nothing coming in 2025?

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@Antwan3K: “ The floors yours...”

I think you just wiped it with him.

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@gifford38 said:
@last_lap said:

@SolidGame_basic: Again, you just go on a rant about MS.

Start criticising Sony that your fellow cows are buying up MS games because Sony doesn't have anything for them or you. All you've done in the last 2yrs is celebrate third party exclusives because you are unwilling to throw shade at Sony for screwing up its studios.

But please tell me more about MS like I know you will.

because cows know after releasing game after game in the beginning of this gen games will run out. takes 5 years to make a big ps game. so in the mean time third party exclusives work to. keep us busy until next wave of games comes. sony had to clean house start making games players want. your saying sony has nothing coming in 2025?

Enough with the excuses with Sony, start calling them out.

They didn't just "run out" your boy Jim (cryin) Ryan started getting his studios to make live service slop, like how the tribute band in Bluepoint were making a live service God of Snore game that was recently cancelled. If Sony blew their load in 2020, and games take 5yrs to make then Sony should be releasing like 6-19 games this year, but they don't.

And if it were true, it would show Sony's complete lack of competence that they would manage all their studios to release their games all in one year and have its gamers waiting another 5yrs for more.

Like i've said on multiple occasions the cow fanbase is incapable of crticising Sony, and your post is just further proof of that.

No matter how you slice it Sony's studio management has been piss-poor. And I believe Sony has announced 1 first party game for 2025, but has no date, so that might fall into 2026 yet. At this very point in time MS is releasing more games on the PS5 in 2025 than Sony is, how pathetic is Sony 🤦‍♂️

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#95 Gifford38
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@last_lap said:
@gifford38 said:
@last_lap said:

@SolidGame_basic: Again, you just go on a rant about MS.

Start criticising Sony that your fellow cows are buying up MS games because Sony doesn't have anything for them or you. All you've done in the last 2yrs is celebrate third party exclusives because you are unwilling to throw shade at Sony for screwing up its studios.

But please tell me more about MS like I know you will.

because cows know after releasing game after game in the beginning of this gen games will run out. takes 5 years to make a big ps game. so in the mean time third party exclusives work to. keep us busy until next wave of games comes. sony had to clean house start making games players want. your saying sony has nothing coming in 2025?

Enough with the excuses with Sony, start calling them out.

They didn't just "run out" your boy Jim (cryin) Ryan started getting his studios to make live service slop, like how the tribute band in Bluepoint were making a live service God of Snore game that was recently cancelled. If Sony blew their load in 2020, and games take 5yrs to make then Sony should be releasing like 6-19 games this year, but they don't.

And if it were true, it would show Sony's complete lack of competence that they would manage all their studios to release their games all in one year and have its gamers waiting another 5yrs for more.

Like i've said on multiple occasions the cow fanbase is incapable of crticising Sony, and your post is just further proof of that.

No matter how you slice it Sony's studio management has been piss-poor. And I believe Sony has announced 1 first party game for 2025, but has no date, so that might fall into 2026 yet. At this very point in time MS is releasing more games on the PS5 in 2025 than Sony is, how pathetic is Sony 🤦‍♂️

so tell me what xbox has coming after avowed? what is there future games coming in 2026?

2024 was the only year it was third party exclusives. what did xbox have first 2 years of series x? one halo and one forza game and flight sim. while ps5 had tons of games in its first 3 years.

only reason xbox has so many games coming out is they bought studios that was already making a game. you expect another spiderman,gow,astrobot,horizon,ratchet and clank and gt7 when most of there studios just released all of there games within 1 to 3 years ago. even ghost came out 4 years ago going on 5. which we know part 2 is in 2025 or 26 thats 5 years. heck insomniac released miles,ratchet and clank and spiderman2 within 4 years. gow just came out not even 2 years ago.

the only developer that has done nothing in years is naughty dog.

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Xbox Series X hardware sales will keep on cratering as time goes on, watch. The only thing that I can think of that could sell the Series X/S is Game Pass.

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How are Playstation fans buying Xbox games? I thought Xbox had no games.

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@Antwan3K: Keyword Xbox. Xbox is a console, under Phil Spencer MS has sold fewer Series X/S console than the XB1, and XB1 is considered a failure.

But, but revenue, this, revenue that. Be honest with everyone and yourself for once. The revenue is up because of the studio purchases, thats it, most of that money came from CoD.

MS can't sell games anymore because it's conditioned you lot to use GP, and to sell games it's now forced to put games on other platforms. Like I said Phil is a failure. If only he worked as hard to make Xbox competitive as he does to hide his failures he wouldn't be in this mess.

But you keep being dis-honest and defend him.

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@Antwan3K said:

you act like these businesses are run by school children.. "propped up by the competiton"?.. do you know how dumb you sound?.. while you're out here fanboying, the top execs of Xbox and PlayStation probably laugh about this stuff together over dinner on their yachts..

you seem obsessed with hardware but hardware isn't the end-all-be-all for Xbox anymore.. when will this fact penetrate your skull?.. Xbox has the smallest footprint of hardware yet Microsoft/Xbox was literally the largest publisher in the world last month in terms of revenue.. at that point, who cares about who sold more consoles?.. do you honestly think anyone at Xbox cares that PlayStation fans gave Xbox truckloads of money??..

and again,

  • Both Xbox and PlayStation view MAU as a key measurement of success.. Xbox has the most number of MAU..
  • Both Xbox and PlayStation need gaming studios to consistently put out gaming content.. Xbox has the most number of gaming studios..
  • Both Xbox and PlayStation are in the business of making games for gamers.. Xbox has the most games announced..

ultimately, i list the facts and you move the goal post.. that's the entire function of your 3rd account at this point.. 🤡

If it weren't for PlayStation users making up the majority of spending on Xbox titles, their quarterly financials would have been down even further

If it were for PlayStation spending on COD software and mtx, their quarterly financials would have been down even further.

And for the billionth time, Xbox spending has been, is, and will be driven by their console base. Meaning their financials are down because their hardware sales are down. Even school children understand this concept. Their losses are being covered by PlayStation users. You know, those people that have historically spent a lot more money on software than you Xbox fanboys.

I don't give a damn about how much of what Xbox has announced. They've been announcing shit for years with minimal success. I'm not impressed with announcements and roadmaps like you are. I like results. COD BLOPS 6 selling more than MW3 (the worst selling COD in like a decade) driven by PS5 sales isn't the win you think it is. Indiana Jones hit critically, but has been VERY meh commercially. Will the PS5 gamers have to save that game too?

Antwan from 2017-2023 wouldn't believe his eyes looking at the mess you are typing these days.

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@gifford38: Cows got to is to stop talking about Sony and start talking about MS.

Well yeah MS bought studios, so has Sony. It's just that MS bought smarter while Sony bought with stupidity ($3 billion for a single studio 🤦‍♂️) and as I said Sony got its studios to work on live service slop, and has 12 cancelled live service games and counting. But you can't criticise them.

Look Bluepoint release a remake in 2020, was then working on a live service GoW game that got cancelled and now has to start all over again which means if we go by your standard of 5yrs dev time means Bluepoint won't release another game till 2030, and you won't criticise Sony for that, you'll default to what about MS this and MS that.

Until you hold Sony accountable for 💩 of their own doing, then they will continue to mis-manage their 💩 and you will be waiting longer and longer for their games.

But, but, third party money hating will hold us over, simply pathetic man, grow a backbone and hold Sony accountable.