A 500$ PC trounces Either next gen console.

[QUOTE="jimmyrussle117"]

Read em and weep kiddies.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/06/14/build-a-next-gen-pc/#more-156412

^ Exact build detailed in the article.

TL:Dr: Right now you can build a relativly cheap pc that easily beats both next gen cosoles in terms of power.

Inb4 trolling.

Inb4 blind denial.

ronvalencia

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant /

CPU:AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($117.99 @ NCIX US)

Motherboard:ECS A960M-M3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($42.99 @ Amazon)

Memory:Corsair XMS 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)

Storage:Toshiba 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)

Video Card:Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($184.99 @ Amazon)

Case:Diablotek CPA-7620 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($19.99 @ Microcenter)

Power Supply:CoolMax 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($19.75 @ Newegg)

Total: $485.69 (USD) (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-20 23:10 EDT-0400)

PS; I selected a Radeon HD 7850 with 975Mhz clock speed (yields 1996.8 GFLOPS).

alright, more shitty PSUs. lets start some house fires!

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

Can we please stop this? I don't care what you say or how you do it, paying $500 for a PC and saying that it is powerful is a joke. It may be able to play games fine, and it may be able to play current gen games, but to say it is more powerful or trounces the next gen consoles is a joke. Just stop with this madness.

ronvalencia

alright, more shitty PSUs. lets start some house fires!

lostrib

That PSU will do fine and it has solid ratings on Newegg. His build has a recommendation of 405W for PSU, so 500W with a +12V single rail will be more than enough.

[QUOTE="jimmyrussle117"]

Read em and weep kiddies.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/06/14/build-a-next-gen-pc/#more-156412

^ Exact build detailed in the article.

TL:Dr: Right now you can build a relativly cheap pc that easily beats both next gen cosoles in terms of power.

Inb4 trolling.

Inb4 blind denial.

ronvalencia

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant /

CPU:AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($117.99 @ NCIX US)

Motherboard:ECS A960M-M3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($42.99 @ Amazon)

Memory:Corsair XMS 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)

Storage:Toshiba 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)

Video Card:Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($184.99 @ Amazon)

Case:Diablotek CPA-7620 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($19.99 @ Microcenter)

Power Supply:CoolMax 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($19.75 @ Newegg)

Total: $485.69 (USD) (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-20 23:10 EDT-0400)

PS; I selected a Radeon HD 7850 with 975Mhz clock speed (yields 1996.8 GFLOPS).

I always laugh at threads like this. Yes, you can build a PC for equivalent hardware as the consoles (or slightly better) for the same price.

However, having the same hardware doesn't mean they perform the same. Consoles have the benefit of standardized hardware and low level access to the hardware. A HD7850 on a console will easily be 50% more optimized than one on a PC.

And that's not even counting the shitty PC components that most people will have to bare with to get a PC which matches the price of a console. A lot of this PC-console price threads portray the PC as being cheap, but with no mention on reliability whatsoever. Some of them even include 20 dollar PSUs and 5 dollar mice for argument's sake. I'd rather pay for a 800 dollar PC than use shitty PC parts.

Cool. What OS you running?Chutebox

It's also lacking KB/M and optical drive. All in all, his build will hit about $600 and be approx. as powerful as a PS4.

Of course, consolites conventiently forget to mention that their systems are incapable of online play throughout the gen at $400-500. You'll actually pay that much just to be allowed to play the entire version of your games. Oh yeah, and no backwards compatibility.

Real console price = $800-900.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="jimmyrussle117"]

Read em and weep kiddies.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/06/14/build-a-next-gen-pc/#more-156412

^ Exact build detailed in the article.

TL:Dr: Right now you can build a relativly cheap pc that easily beats both next gen cosoles in terms of power.

Inb4 trolling.

Inb4 blind denial.

Chutebox

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant /

CPU:AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($117.99 @ NCIX US)

Motherboard:ECS A960M-M3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($42.99 @ Amazon)

Memory:Corsair XMS 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)

Storage:Toshiba 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)

Video Card:Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($184.99 @ Amazon)

Case:Diablotek CPA-7620 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($19.99 @ Microcenter)

Power Supply:CoolMax 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($19.75 @ Newegg)

Total: $485.69 (USD) (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-20 23:10 EDT-0400)

PS; I selected a Radeon HD 7850 with 975Mhz clock speed (yields 1996.8 GFLOPS).

Yeah, that's the one thing most people neglect - the OS. And how bout the DVD drive? And since consoles are using Blu-ray, we should be pricing in Blu-ray drives as well.

I always laugh at threads like this. Yes, you can build a PC for equivalent hardware as the consoles (or slightly better) for the same price.

However, having the same hardware doesn't mean they perform the same. Consoles have the benefit of standardized hardware and low level access to the hardware. A HD7850 on a console will easily be 50% more optimized than one on a PC.

And that's not even counting the shitty PC components that most people will have to bare with to get a PC which matches the price of a console. A lot of this PC-console price threads portray the PC as being cheap, but with no mention on reliability whatsoever. Some of them even include 20 dollar PSUs and 5 dollar mice for argument's sake. I'd rather pay for a 800 dollar PC than use shitty PC parts.

jhcho2

Yeah, that's the one thing most people neglect - the OS. And how bout the DVD drive? And since consoles are using Blu-ray, we should be pricing in Blu-ray drives as well.

jhcho2

You don't need a DVD drive, and you can recycle Windows (~90$ fresh). (also, you can recycle the drive; mine's not even pluged in)

One criticism to these builds, 2GB of VRAM will be your bottleneck; just because only a couple games go over that now, doesn't mean that most won't be over that soon.

I always laugh at threads like this. Yes, you can build a PC for equivalent hardware as the consoles (or slightly better) for the same price.

However, having the same hardware doesn't mean they perform the same. Consoles have the benefit of standardized hardware and low level access to the hardware. A HD7850 on a console will easily be 50% more optimized than one on a PC.

And that's not even counting the shitty PC components that most people will have to bare with to get a PC which matches the price of a console. A lot of this PC-console price threads portray the PC as being cheap, but with no mention on reliability whatsoever. Some of them even include 20 dollar PSUs and 5 dollar mice for argument's sake. I'd rather pay for a 800 dollar PC than use shitty PC parts.

jhcho2

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]Yeah, that's the one thing most people neglect - the OS. And how bout the DVD drive? And since consoles are using Blu-ray, we should be pricing in Blu-ray drives as well.

Inconsistancy

You don't need a DVD drive, and you can recycle Windows (~90$ fresh). (also, you can recycle the drive; mine's not even pluged in)

One criticism to these builds, 2GB of VRAM will be your bottleneck; just because only a couple games go over that now, doesn't mean that most won't be over that soon.

Dude, everyone could certainly use a DVD drive. Saying that you don't need one is basically arguing for argument's sake. Anyone who really buys a PC would get a drive. It's one of those 'no-brainer' decisions. Ironically, most of these kind of threads play out like that. People start comparing prices but strictly for comparison's sake. However, they themselves will do things differently when buying a PC for their own use.

But....its still a PC....and a crap one at that. Also you dont get any games.

No thanks, xbox day 1.

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]Yeah, that's the one thing most people neglect - the OS. And how bout the DVD drive? And since consoles are using Blu-ray, we should be pricing in Blu-ray drives as well.

jhcho2

You don't need a DVD drive, and you can recycle Windows (~90$ fresh). (also, you can recycle the drive; mine's not even pluged in)

One criticism to these builds, 2GB of VRAM will be your bottleneck; just because only a couple games go over that now, doesn't mean that most won't be over that soon.

Dude, everyone could certainly use a DVD drive. Saying that you don't need one is basically arguing for argument's sake. Anyone who really buys a PC would get a drive. It's one of those 'no-brainer' decisions. Ironically, most of these kind of threads play out like that. People start comparing prices but strictly for comparison's sake. However, they themselves will do things differently when buying a PC for their own use.

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]I'm actually in the market for a strong laptop under $500, any tips?Blake135

For Gaming ? I honestly wouldn't recommend a Gaming Laptop, Some people might try to convince you but every single person I know who has got one it ended up having problems.

I personally haven't had problems with mine, it's still humming along just fine. But honestly when I look back on it, I don't think I would do it again. When I got my m17x r3 I was in school, 4 people crammed into tiny apartment so space was tight and I was going to school for 3-D design, so I needed something with actual power and I hated using the greasy keyboards at the school and always transfering large files to a ext. HDD all the time, sometimes they would take 15-20 min to transfer due to the slower PC's at the school and the fact the files can get huge. I don't regret it in because of that, it's just that now I don't think I could ever justify the price tag again (still priced better than a mac though). 

Hermits:

"Please come play the PC!"

Consolites:

"LOLOLOLOL.....Hermits."

And now to be on topic, a 500 PC ends up being junk. If your gonna go PC, do it right and give yourself a budget of 800-1000 so you can actually buy name brand parts that wont fry in a year.

Console Optimizations aren't myth, My first PC config was a Athlon x2 5000 and 2 7900 GT's in SLi with 2gb of ram. It could not keep up with gaming in the long run. Sure, it played oblivion and such titles better, but it really started to show it's age on later games to the point where to me they were unplayable on low settings and very jumpy frame rates. 

I shall see how my current desktop will fair, i7 3930k, 16gb ram and 2gb GTX 680 as we move into this coming generation. I do actually feel that it could be very different this gen as my current PC does actually blow the consoles out of the water from the get go, but PC only and games that take advantage of PC might make my 680 become outdated in a few years.

The article is referring to British pounds, not US dollars... It states £525, which is equivalent to $815.Jag85

Speaking of PC's...I need to upgrade mines SOON...

The article is referring to British pounds, not US dollars... It states £525, which is equivalent to $815.Jag85

cheapest, TC, is ~$650 and most expensive is ~$815

Then consider the following facts: a GTX titan overclocked is able to just barely produce 60 fps on Crysis 3 completely maxxed out. That is a $1050.00 card. A PS4 is expected by the end of next gen be able to produce the same graphics or better (based on KZ:SF today) but at most likely 30 fps.

So how will a $500 PC with a 7870 GPU, that can't even produce 10 fps with Crysis 3 maxxed, beat a PS4 a few years from now ?

You are grasping at straws.

AdjacentLives

[QUOTE="Jag85"]The article is referring to British pounds, not US dollars... It states £525, which is equivalent to $815.R3FURBISHED

cheapest, TC, is ~$650 and most expensive is ~$815

Don't say that or else the someone will come in and say that you can build a gaming PC for USD300. It has happened before

Cool. What OS you running?Chutebox

cool but who wants to place roller coaster tycoon lol.  pc has the most shitty games, consoles have the best games.

kingoflife9

false

Read em and weep kiddies.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/06/14/build-a-next-gen-pc/#more-156412

^ Exact build detailed in the article.

TL:Dr: Right now you can build a relativly cheap pc that easily beats both next gen cosoles in terms of power.

Inb4 trolling.

Inb4 blind denial.

jimmyrussle117

Thats amazing!

Now despite all the holiness the pc gives with its godlike power and grace it bestows to mortal men are pc fanboys constantly putting up petitions and crying for console ports of games? Constantly, a day doesnt go by some pc diehards are begging for console ports. Just buy a console and there, you can play the games.

[QUOTE="jimmyrussle117"]

Read em and weep kiddies.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/06/14/build-a-next-gen-pc/#more-156412

^ Exact build detailed in the article.

TL:Dr: Right now you can build a relativly cheap pc that easily beats both next gen cosoles in terms of power.

Inb4 trolling.

Inb4 blind denial.

Gargus

Thats amazing!

Now despite all the holiness the pc gives with its godlike power and grace it bestows to mortal men are pc fanboys constantly putting up petitions and crying for console ports of games? Constantly, a day doesnt go by some pc diehards are begging for console ports. Just buy a console and there, you can play the games.

yeah, that's not true

PC is too expensive.

despite the errors in the maths converting the currency i have to say i cannot support a 500 dollar pc in the place of a console. to compete with a console you only need a piece of bread, a chicken, 4 hours - and a full moon.

PC is too expensive.

MakeMeaSammitch

if you're a filthy peasant

lol 128gb ssd...... and optimization is better then that pc....get over it tcstereointegrity

"Optimization is better then that pc"?

Learn stuff.

[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]lol 128gb ssd...... and optimization is better then that pc....get over it tcthe_bi99man

"Optimization is better then that pc"?

Learn stuff.

optimization is magic! but this PC is pretty garbage

Yeah but in 3-5 years you'll still be able to pop a game into either console and play it without any issues. If you want to do the same with that PC you'll need to lower graphic settings and hope you can run it at a stable framerate.

There are massive advantages to closed platform hardware. 

If you're going to build a PC, build a good one. Don't set your minimum specs just enough to beat the damn consoles. If you're going to do that, buy a damn console and play that. It will last you longer without the issues of an aging PC.

If the last 10 years of PC ownership has taught me anything it's that olders PCs have more problems than they are worth. 

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

PC is too expensive.

lostrib

if you're a filthy peasant

Why don't you say that everytime someone posts about a 400 gaming PC? Why else would a 400 dollar PC be relevant except for peasant-esque PC gamers?

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

PC is too expensive.

jhcho2

if you're a filthy peasant

Why don't you say that everytime someone posts about a 400 gaming PC? Why else would a 400 dollar PC be relevant except for peasant-esque PC gamers?

because it's quite obviously a joke

Yeah except it won't last the whole *Console Generation* However if your a smart buyer you could easily build a very expensive PC then wait until *Steam Sales* to get your games.

Blake135

" If you do have anything you can recycle, including an existent copy of Windows,"

So, not 500...

Chutebox

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

" If you do have anything you can recycle, including an existent copy of Windows,"

So, not 500...

WilliamRLBaker

Play on consoles without a display?

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

" If you do have anything you can recycle, including an existent copy of Windows,"

So, not 500...

psymon100

Play on consoles without a display?

most people have a television in the living room.

Unfortunately you cant use a M/KB on the couch, and most people dont have a computer desk in their living room.

 

If you're going to build a PC, build a good one. Don't set your minimum specs just enough to beat the damn consoles. If you're going to do that, buy a damn console and play that. It will last you longer without the issues of an aging PC.

 

Wasdie

Pretty sure my PC from 2006 with a simple upgrade(~$150) would outperform the X1. How many 360s from '05/'06 even lasted 2yrs., let alone went on to beat 2 next-gen systems for +$150?

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But anyway, why not build a rig to around the same spec as the PS4/X1? Is the PC gaming experience solely defined by console-beating gfx and specs? The most appealing aspects for me are the customization, indie and mod community, and unique gaming experiences that can't be found on a console. 

most people have a television in the living room.

Unfortunately you cant use a M/KB on the couch, and most people dont have a computer desk in their living room.

BeardMaster

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] not even 600 since I dont have a monitor.BeardMaster

Play on consoles without a display?

most people have a television in the living room.

Unfortunately you cant use a M/KB on the couch, and most people dont have a computer desk in their living room.

"Most people"? That's a statement which requires data.

I'm an individual. So I'll just take a photo of what is right in front of me. 

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In this photo we can see a PC plugged into a television and Battlefield 3 is being played. So I didn't buy a seperate display. 

"Unfortunately you cant use a M/KB on the couch" - I am of the species 'homo sapiens', I can and do use the mouse and keyboard on the couch often. Helps if you're wearing jeans, there's also a coffee table. What species are you? Also, you might notice a USB coming out the front of the PC - she plays with a controller. And she is usually the best player on the team. If I were playing Guild Wars 2 on the couch I can play with keyboard and mouse comfortably. 

"most people dont have a computer desk in their living room." Desks are not necessary for gaming PCs. 

If one should factor in a display when buying a gaming PC, then I'd suggest one also should factor in a display when buying a console. 

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] not even 600 since I dont have a monitor.BeardMaster

Play on consoles without a display?

most people have a television in the living room.

Unfortunately you cant use a M/KB on the couch, and most people dont have a computer desk in their living room.

Most people do have a television in the living room. And, unless it's older than a last-gen console, any PC will plug into it, just as simply as a console would. And actually, it's not hard (or expensive) to use a comfortable lap-desk/platform for a mouse and keyboard on the couch. Actually quite comfortable. Also, the vast majority of modern PC games, including all multiplats, and even most exclusives, aside from strategy games, are fully plug-n-play compatible with a 360 controller.

Bottom line: don't be a fanboy living in denial. You can't include the price of a monitor with a PC, comparing to the price of a console, unless you include the price of your TV with your console. And every console gamer I know has a TV that cost 2-3x as much as any monitor I would buy for a budget PC.

Herms still trying to convert Console gamers. A sad sight.

Obviously_Right

^^^ looks more like a basement

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

 

most people have a television in the living room.

 

Unfortunately you cant use a M/KB on the couch, and most people dont have a computer desk in their living room.

mastershake575

Give the PS3 controller a try, if you like the feel of it. You'll need a program called motioninjoy, which basically just makes the dualshock emulate a 360 controller. You'll also have to deal with 360 buttons in on-screen prompts, unless you want to use mods to change them. But if you're experienced enough with both controllers, that shouldn't be too hard to do.