A clean, fair comparison of Halo 3 and Killzone 2.

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#101 Harry_Balzac
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[QUOTE="Harry_Balzac"]

[QUOTE="CDUB316"]

"plus i prefer"...."i would rather play"

^^^exactly!!! IT'S ALL YOUR OPINION!!! and your opinion is small compared to the number of sales that H3 has over KZ2

YOU might think KZ2 is better...but thousands of others do not

GET OVER IT!!

halo is a great game and a great franshise...i know it's the number one most fun game to hate on, but it's getting old

Camer999

Those thousands of un original sheep have opinions that mean crap to me and where my money goes. Gaylo is a crap game...Simple......Plenty of people bought Britany Spears albums, and she was **** of people went to see the film Independance Day, and it was a steaming pile of turd..... So you keep following the crowd son......why try to be your own man, make decisions for yourself and such...when you can just tag along with the rest, and then get on forums to use the herd arguement. Halo is ordinary...It never did anything revolutionary or groundbreaking in the genre, it just did the basics well on a console, and got TOO much undeserved hype and accolades for mediocrity.......when Timesplitters 1 & 2 deserved more props as it was WAAY better from a strict gameplay standpoint. It killed Halo in controls and ran at a rocksteady 60fps, as opposed to Gaylo's 30fps.

The fact that you used gaylo voided your opinion.

Sorry..The Gaylo was a little over the top....And considering I did play through the first one, I must have enjoyed it somewhat. I just never saw what the hoopla was about with it. The enemy character p!ssed me off in the game, as they looked like extras from a Wiggled or Barney movie........The weapons (apart from standard assault rifle and sniper) were really crappy for mine, the levels were really repetative...The outdoor Island and Snow stuff was great, but then the game would quickly throw you into crappy corridoory monotony far too quickly and often. Seriously, the Timesplitters series was so much better it is criminal how Halo got more attention, media hype and accolades than TS.
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#102 linkin_guy109
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comparing killzone 2 to halo 3 is like comparing infamous to prototype, sure from the outside looking in they look very similar but when you spend time with each game, they are completely different game types, same goes for halo 3 and killzone 2

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#103 Camer999
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[QUOTE="Camer999"]

[QUOTE="Harry_Balzac"] Those thousands of un original sheep have opinions that mean crap to me and where my money goes. Gaylo is a crap game...Simple......Plenty of people bought Britany Spears albums, and she was **** of people went to see the film Independance Day, and it was a steaming pile of turd..... So you keep following the crowd son......why try to be your own man, make decisions for yourself and such...when you can just tag along with the rest, and then get on forums to use the herd arguement. Halo is ordinary...It never did anything revolutionary or groundbreaking in the genre, it just did the basics well on a console, and got TOO much undeserved hype and accolades for mediocrity.......when Timesplitters 1 & 2 deserved more props as it was WAAY better from a strict gameplay standpoint. It killed Halo in controls and ran at a rocksteady 60fps, as opposed to Gaylo's 30fps.

Harry_Balzac

The fact that you used gaylo voided your opinion.

Sorry..The Gaylo was a little over the top....And considering I did play through the first one, I must have enjoyed it somewhat. I just never saw what the hoopla was about with it. The enemy character p!ssed me off in the game, as they looked like extras from a Wiggled or Barney movie........The weapons (apart from standard assault rifle and sniper) were really crappy for mine, the levels were really repetative...The outdoor Island and Snow stuff was great, but then the game would quickly throw you into crappy corridoory monotony far too quickly and often. Seriously, the Timesplitters series was so much better it is criminal how Halo got more attention, media hype and accolades than TS.

That's fine IYO sure. An average game in a most peoples eyes does not get it's own league and scores 9.0+ across the bored, with some of the most replay valve (in most people's eyes.)

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#104 AAllxxjjnn
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Killzone 2 is the best shooter I've played since Half Life 2 episode 2, Halo 3 was a good laugh to me, Honestly I cant have fun with a shooter as slow paced as Halo.AgentA-Mi6
Half Life 2 Episode 2 is slower paced than Halo 3...
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#105 AAllxxjjnn
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[QUOTE="NYrockinlegend"]Halo is an iconic figure. It is one of the best selling games in game history, along with Gran Turismo, Mario, GTA, COD, MGS, etc. It is simply one of the biggest releases of games. However, more sales=more popularity, and more popular /=/ better. Hence the phrase "What's right is not always popular and what's popular is not always right." It has the widest appeal of console FPS, along with COD. However, to KZ2, that and COD are just "average" shooters when it comes down to quality. Just accept it already, and maybe a year or two down the road, we'll be getting more quality FPS instead of these shameless rip-offs. They're fun, but all too similar to each other. I honestly wouldn't care for another FPS like that of Halo 3, Resistance 2, or COD4. And certainly not one like Timesplitters, because that's DATED. KZ2 is the start of evolution of the FPS genre, and if COD, Halo, and other FPS titles can adapt to that, we should be seeing more quality FPS down the road. That being said, I'm eager to see how MW2 does, and hopefully, it took a page from KZ2's book, or at least innovated something.

KZ2 is not the start of evolution of the FPS genre. Are you ****ing kidding me? If were gonna say it started anywhere it started back in March 07 with S.T.A.L.K.E.R., and KZ2 provided absolutely nothing to that evolution.
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#106 eo_the_shaman
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killzone= realistic halo=pretty corners

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#107 Camer999
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killzone= realistic halo=pretty corners

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Killzone is not realistic, are you kidding me???

In killzone 2 you can take a decent amount of bullets and you are fighting on mars, really now?

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#108 cantor2537
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Numbers don't mean a thing. The Wii has sold way more than the 360 and PS3. Doesn't mean it's a better console.

KZ2 is way better than Halo 3 in every way. And yes, I have both. I own both systems. the 360 may have ruled early on but I am playing my PS3 way more because of way better exclusives. There are literally no exclusives for the 360 I am looking forward to except maybe Alan Wake and the new Splinter Cell. And yes, Halo 3 is like a cartoon--there I said it. The only exclusive I am playing for the 360 right now is Tales of Vesperia and a better version is coming out for the PS3. And is there nothing more that 360 fanboys can talk about OTHER than a game released two years ago?

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#109 -Master_St3ve-
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Yes! Pointless arguments FTW.
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#110 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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That gave me quite the chuckle, especially all the movie studios blaming Halo 3. lol
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#111 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]Killzone 2 is the best shooter I've played since Half Life 2 episode 2, Halo 3 was a good laugh to me, Honestly I cant have fun with a shooter as slow paced as Halo.SODRChief

Killzone 2 is just among the very many generic shooters that try to be like the Great Halo franchise.

nevermind i was wrong some lemmings do claim halo as a keynote in fps history.
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#112 rybe1025
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Can people stop saying the only reason KZ2 did not sell near as much as Halo 3 is because Halo 3 had two other Halos already so it is a more well known name. Fine look at the sales of Halo 1 and it is better then KZ1 and 2 combined. So even just the first Halo was a far better seller
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#113 enygma500
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[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]Killzone 2 is the best shooter I've played since Half Life 2 episode 2, Halo 3 was a good laugh to me, Honestly I cant have fun with a shooter as slow paced as Halo.WilliamRLBaker

Killzone 2 is just among the very many generic shooters that try to be like the Great Halo franchise.

nevermind i was wrong some lemmings do claim halo as a keynote in fps history.

Most lemmings look at halo as the start of console FPS. which it's not. Golden eye was FAR better but try telling a lemming that.

As for the topic at hand. TC says its a far comparison then starts off with pre-order numbers, I stopped reading there. What do pre orders have ANYTHING to do with the games themselves?

Halo is a fast paced twitch shooter.

Killzone is a slow paced somewhat sim shooter.

Both completely different styles of play and I would fault anybody who liked one and hated the other due to how different the are.

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#114 topgunmv
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Halo3 will only let you do one gametype for matchmaking if you dont fork out for every map pack when it comes out, thats pretty trashy.

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#115 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="SODRChief"]

Killzone 2 is just among the very many generic shooters that try to be like the Great Halo franchise.

enygma500

nevermind i was wrong some lemmings do claim halo as a keynote in fps history.

Most lemmings look at halo as the start of console FPS. which it's not. Golden eye was FAR better but try telling a lemming that.

As for the topic at hand. TC says its a far comparison then starts off with pre-order numbers, I stopped reading there. What do pre orders have ANYTHING to do with the games themselves?

Halo is a fast paced twitch shooter.

Killzone is a slow paced somewhat sim shooter.

Both completely different styles of play and I would fault anybody who liked one and hated the other due to how different the are.

lol i was wrong cows make just as bold claims as well, Golden eye was not that good it was great when it was released but it was surpassed many times since and halo surpassed it easily in quality.
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#116 SpruceCaboose
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Oh noes! Halo sold more and had marginally better reviews. Killzone 2 must be terrible now. I just threw my copy away. Thanks TC!
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#117 stylesPS3
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you forgot one very important one.

Halo 3- compared with last gen games

Killzone 2 - 2009.

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#118 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="stylesPS3"]you forgot one very important one. Halo - compared with last gen games Killzone 2 - 2009.

What?
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#119 htotheo
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hmm fair comparison by just checking sales. by your logic Wii Sports is the greatest game ever to grace the earth.

but really it is more a matter of opinion as besides being killer aps and being FPS's these two games don't have much incommon with each other.

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#120 stylesPS3
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[QUOTE="stylesPS3"]you forgot one very important one. Halo 3 - compared with last gen games Killzone 2 - 2009.SpruceCaboose
What?

reviews are the only thing that matter. sales change, reviews dont. wii sports is not the best game because it has the best sales. and fact is. When Halo 3 got reviewed, it wasnt going up against what Killzone 2 is going up against.
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#121 enygma500
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[QUOTE="enygma500"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] nevermind i was wrong some lemmings do claim halo as a keynote in fps history.WilliamRLBaker

Most lemmings look at halo as the start of console FPS. which it's not. Golden eye was FAR better but try telling a lemming that.

As for the topic at hand. TC says its a far comparison then starts off with pre-order numbers, I stopped reading there. What do pre orders have ANYTHING to do with the games themselves?

Halo is a fast paced twitch shooter.

Killzone is a slow paced somewhat sim shooter.

Both completely different styles of play and I would fault anybody who liked one and hated the other due to how different the are.

lol i was wrong cows make just as bold claims as well, Golden eye was not that good it was great when it was released but it was surpassed many times since and halo surpassed it easily in quality.

Halo wouldn't be half the game it is if it were made in the same time period as goldeneye. and goldeneye would be a far better experience if it were made in the same period as halo.

you can't use age to say one game is terrible. Goldeneye was a fantastic game for its time, sure it didn't age too well. But what games ever do. Beyond a few classics like mario and zelda. there isn't much. go back and play halo in 10 years, tell me how fun it is then. I'm sure you'l say the same thing you just did about goldeneye.

I also meant to say I WOULDN'T fault anybody who liked one and not the other...

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#122 rybe1025
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="stylesPS3"]you forgot one very important one. Halo 3 - compared with last gen games Killzone 2 - 2009.stylesPS3
What?

reviews are the only thing that matter. sales change, reviews dont. wii sports is not the best game because it has the best sales. and fact is. When Halo 3 got reviewed, it wasnt going up against what Killzone 2 is going up against.

Like you said reviews don't change so Halo 3 wins :)
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#123 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="stylesPS3"]you forgot one very important one. Halo 3 - compared with last gen games Killzone 2 - 2009.stylesPS3
What?

reviews are the only thing that matter. sales change, reviews dont. wii sports is not the best game because it has the best sales. and fact is. When Halo 3 got reviewed, it wasnt going up against what Killzone 2 is going up against.

Killzone 2 was compared directly to Halo 3. It did not stack up. If it was better in reviewers eyes, it would have been scored higher, logically.
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#124 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="enygma500"]

Most lemmings look at halo as the start of console FPS. which it's not. Golden eye was FAR better but try telling a lemming that.

As for the topic at hand. TC says its a far comparison then starts off with pre-order numbers, I stopped reading there. What do pre orders have ANYTHING to do with the games themselves?

Halo is a fast paced twitch shooter.

Killzone is a slow paced somewhat sim shooter.

Both completely different styles of play and I would fault anybody who liked one and hated the other due to how different the are.

enygma500

lol i was wrong cows make just as bold claims as well, Golden eye was not that good it was great when it was released but it was surpassed many times since and halo surpassed it easily in quality.

Halo wouldn't be half the game it is if it were made in the same time period as goldeneye. and goldeneye would be a far better experience if it were made in the same period as halo.

you can't use age to say one game is terrible. Goldeneye was a fantastic game for its time, sure it didn't age too well. But what games ever do. Beyond a few classics like mario and zelda. there isn't much. go back and play halo in 10 years, tell me how fun it is then. I'm sure you'l say the same thing you just did about goldeneye.

I also meant to say I WOULDN'T fault anybody who liked one and not the other...

*makes a confused head twirl thing* When did i ever say golden eye was terrible? when in my post ever? 2nd One can make any argument he wants based upon age, you just did you made the argument that halo wouldn't be good made back then, and golden eye would be a far better experience if made now.

Um no it wouldn't If halo was made back then exactly as it is now except with less graphics and no online it would be the BEST FPS even compared to PC games because it would as I've said use the exact same gameplay and elements as it does today but before any other game had done them halo would have been the first for so many FPS elements if it was made back then as it is today it wouldn't even be funny how many fps games would have to be cited as having elements from halo.
and if golden eye was released today with its exact same gameplay but with online 4 player matches and better graphics would be laughed at, 4 players? so what if it has online its just 4 players compared to today's games golden eye has generic rudimentary gameplay.
Golden eye is not far better, It was great when it was released but by today's standards its generic and archaic halo was a Fantastic game for its time just as golden eye was fantastic when it was released.

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#125 stylesPS3
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[QUOTE="stylesPS3"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] What?SpruceCaboose
reviews are the only thing that matter. sales change, reviews dont. wii sports is not the best game because it has the best sales. and fact is. When Halo 3 got reviewed, it wasnt going up against what Killzone 2 is going up against.

Killzone 2 was compared directly to Halo 3. It did not stack up. If it was better in reviewers eyes, it would have been scored higher, logically.

yes halo 3 did come out first so even if everything was the same in both games killzone 2 would inevidably get lower. and keep in mind theres alot more then just halo 3 out at this point.
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="stylesPS3"] reviews are the only thing that matter. sales change, reviews dont. wii sports is not the best game because it has the best sales. and fact is. When Halo 3 got reviewed, it wasnt going up against what Killzone 2 is going up against.stylesPS3
Killzone 2 was compared directly to Halo 3. It did not stack up. If it was better in reviewers eyes, it would have been scored higher, logically.

yes halo 3 did come out first so even if everything was the same in both games killzone 2 would inevidably get lower. and keep in mind theres alot more then just halo 3 out at this point.

True, but who's to say that would change the standings of the reviews. We have to work off of what we know, so we say halo is a higher scoring game than killzone and remains so and will always remain so.

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#127 stylesPS3
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[QUOTE="stylesPS3"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Killzone 2 was compared directly to Halo 3. It did not stack up. If it was better in reviewers eyes, it would have been scored higher, logically.Z0MBIES

yes halo 3 did come out first so even if everything was the same in both games killzone 2 would inevidably get lower. and keep in mind theres alot more then just halo 3 out at this point.

True, but who's to say that would change the standings of the reviews.

Every Review Site and Magazine Says.

read their guidelines on how they review games.

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Killzone 2 is the best shooter I've played since Half Life 2 episode 2, Halo 3 was a good laugh to me, Honestly I cant have fun with a shooter as slow paced as Halo.AgentA-Mi6
Why? I mean seriously, it was one of the most generic things I've ever played. Are you sure it's not the first shooter you played since Half Life 2?
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#129 Juggernaut140
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Numbers don't mean a thing. The Wii has sold way more than the 360 and PS3. Doesn't mean it's a better console.

KZ2 is way better than Halo 3 in every way. And yes, I have both. I own both systems. the 360 may have ruled early on but I am playing my PS3 way more because of way better exclusives. There are literally no exclusives for the 360 I am looking forward to except maybe Alan Wake and the new Splinter Cell. And yes, Halo 3 is like a cartoon--there I said it. The only exclusive I am playing for the 360 right now is Tales of Vesperia and a better version is coming out for the PS3. And is there nothing more that 360 fanboys can talk about OTHER than a game released two years ago?

cantor2537
By "everyway" you mean graphics right? :|
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#130 jakehouston88
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Bad comparison...

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#131 Harry_Balzac
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Majority general public and reviewers opinions mean nothing to Harry Balzac......Harry says that Killzone 2 is a vastly superior gaming experience to Halo 3, and what Harry says goes.

As Harry Balzac is the God of all things gaming, Harry's FACTS based opinion ends this topic. Please refrain from posting anymore of your fanboy jargon lemmings....The Lord Of Polygons has spoken and handed down the verdict in Killzone 2's favor. It's superiority cannot be denied by logically minded people.

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#132 thetruespin
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lol.. clean fair comparison... you should consider working for N.Korea
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#133 topgunmv
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Half-life2 needs moor random saw blades on the ground and exploding barrels I think. And crate stacking.

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]Killzone 2 is the best shooter I've played since Half Life 2 episode 2, Halo 3 was a good laugh to me, Honestly I cant have fun with a shooter as slow paced as Halo.Juggernaut140
Why? I mean seriously, it was one of the most generic things I've ever played. Are you sure it's not the first shooter you played since Half Life 2?

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#134 NBSRDan
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That isn't a "clean, fair" comparison, that's an irrelevant comparison. You sighted sales, advertising, player count, and review scores without any mention of the quality of either game.
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#135 Z0MBIES
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[QUOTE="Z0MBIES"]

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"] yes halo 3 did come out first so even if everything was the same in both games killzone 2 would inevidably get lower. and keep in mind theres alot more then just halo 3 out at this point.stylesPS3

True, but who's to say that would change the standings of the reviews.

Every Review Site and Magazine Says.

read their guidelines on how they review games.

You need to learn how to comprehend what you read. I implied that the rating of Halo would have decayed a little, like a review site and magazine say a score would do for a game. I also said that there is no way of knowing how much that score would have decayed or would that decay be enough to make it numerically lower than KZ2. Then I said, the fact is we don't know the answer, so you have to go with what you do know.

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#136 Longcat2
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Right....

"A clean fair comparison of Halo 3 and Killzone 2"

"By SODRChief"

I stopped reading there.

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#137 Magik85
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Scores....numbers....who care about those...its the gameplay that matters. Those 2 games are not comparable in terms of gameplay. Even TPP game (Gears) is closer to KZ2 than Halo.
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#138 SODRChief
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[QUOTE="SODRChief"]

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]Killzone 2 is the best shooter I've played since Half Life 2 episode 2, Halo 3 was a good laugh to me, Honestly I cant have fun with a shooter as slow paced as Halo.WilliamRLBaker

Killzone 2 is just among the very many generic shooters that try to be like the Great Halo franchise.

nevermind i was wrong some lemmings do claim halo as a keynote in fps history.

Um, it is. A very important one, in fact. Don't deny that fact...

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#139 -GeordiLaForge-
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u know u forgot to mentio the most important part of any game gameplay and visuals. as a gamer i could much less about sales. atleast killzone didn't lag online at launch

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eh? I got Halo 3 about a week after it was released, and I didn't have any lag...
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#140 SODRChief
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Right....

"A clean fair comparison of Halo 3 and Killzone 2"

"By SODRChief"

I stopped reading there.

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Don't try to avoid the facts. Face them.

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#141 Disturbed123
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Anyone with half a brain will know both are insanely good games. KZ has graphics department nailed while Halo 3 has the online multiplayer covered. Either way, that doesnt make Halo 3 graphics crap, nor does it make KZ Multiplayer crap in any sense, they are both astounding in their own ways.

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#142 -GeordiLaForge-
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Anyone with half a brain will know both are insanely good games. KZ has graphics department nailed while Halo 3 has the online multiplayer covered. Either way, that doesnt make Halo 3 graphics crap, nor does it make KZ Multiplayer crap in any sense, they are both astounding in their own ways.

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#143 MortalDecay
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a clean fair comparison that doesn't compare anything that people care about. nothing new here.

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You better start caring about sales, because that's where Sony is lacking. You don't want Sony to fail, do you?
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#144 SpruceCaboose
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That isn't a "clean, fair" comparison, that's an irrelevant comparison. You sighted sales, advertising, player count, and review scores without any mention of the quality of either game.NBSRDan
And all of those metrics are indications of quality in one way or another. Just saying.
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#145 Pancakespank
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Agree.. Halo 3 is just better. Multiplayer, Sound, Gameplay,Features..
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#146 SODRChief
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Agree.. Halo 3 is just better. Multiplayer, Sound, Gameplay,Features..Pancakespank

Yeah, didn't bring these up for it's a matter of opinions, and that'd be pretty pointless since everybody would have tried to claim their ones' as facts...

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#147 rybe1025
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I love the fact that Halo 3 sold more in its first 8 hours then Killzone was able to sell total with months of sales
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#148 Camer999
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You have to factor that KZ1 was a faliure, so its sequel got no hype, while halo was popular from the get go, so each one was going to get tons...

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#149 rybe1025
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You have to factor that KZ1 was a faliure, so its sequel got no hype, while halo was popular from the get go, so each one was going to get tons...

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Halo 1 had no hype since it was the first one and it outsold KZ 1 and 2 combined.