A lot of PC gamers over-exagerate the level of graphics in many pc games

This place is full of fanboys so it doesn't surprise me to see exaggeration everywhere.

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And a lot of of console gamers over-exaggerate how their exclusives match against Crysis in graphics.

markko84

the thing is that CRysis 1 do not look that good for its performance requirements.. but the game is unfarily labelled as a visual masterpiece, but its only a bad optimized game, that for solely this reason is considered a definitive benchmark test for any machine.

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Who cares? I would rather play an N64 then any exclusive out on PC. And a bump in definition and better lighting means nothing to me. If someone can't be happy with 360/PS3 GRAPHICS THEN THEY WILL NEVER BE SATISFIED.!!!! I feel sorry for people like that. WarTornRuston

Thats fine. You simply are in the camp of 'its good enough'.

I like pong still, because the concept is basic and fun, but ... would much rather play Shogun 2. You just like pong more, np there amigo!

This has always been so. But it's mostly due to the overexaggeration of graphics overall in terms of how they enrich a game. Great graphics are nice, but gameplay is still so much further ahead in the list of priorities, at least IMO.

calvinsora

Terraria proves that graphics don't stop a game from being epic fun; however a combination of great graphics and great gameplay is the best of both worlds.

Try playing Daggerfall, and then looking at screenshots of Skyrim. I would rather just look at the screenshots.

Who cares? I would rather play an N64 then any exclusive out on PC. And a bump in definition and better lighting means nothing to me. If someone can't be happy with 360/PS3 GRAPHICS THEN THEY WILL NEVER BE SATISFIED.!!!! I feel sorry for people like that. WarTornRuston

So you like playing inferior stuff. Thats okay, instead of playing superior PS or PC games you are stuck playing inferior N64 ones, okay that cool, but you could be playing better.

If anything console gamers downplay the PC advantage. Most probably haven't experienced 1920x1080 + 4xMSAA though so you can't really blame them. They look at screenshots/youtube videos and draw conclusions from that :?

Tezcatlipoca666

I don't think I overstate the level of graphics in PC games. I think that even a game from 2003 still has great graphics as seen in this shot of FS 2004.

There is no doubt that pc games look better, but its not that much of the difference that its a whole generation ahead.

There is no doubt that pc games look better, but its not that much of the difference that its a whole generation ahead.

HaLoMaStErJT

PC gamers have to come up with something because they have nothing else..:) I mean ask the average person on the street what they game on...CONSOLE..BOOM!!...consoles win every time..now for some potato soup..:D..yum!

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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Well, that's the beauty of it, isn't it? I mean, consoles and PCs offering diffrent experiences. FOr people wanting to see some realism, but not hardcore ammount of it they can get Gran Turismo on consoles. And if they're maniacs that want something that's bassicaly a training tool they can go for iRacing and race against professional drivers :)

That said, while in genreal those are niche on PC, titles from hardcore sim and strategy genres often break out to mainstream on PC, delivering suprisingly high sales. And I think we can thanks consoles for that to be honest. Some people might mourn the death of PC exclusive mainsteam FPSes and other games of this type, but IMO their switch to multiplat created an empty space in PC market that allowed more niche games to thrive in a way they never could before.

jedikevin2

Of course, I personally don't even see consoles as prime competitors with the PC and they can make great complementary systems.

Yet for the last year, you have decided to make countless threads stating Pc is meh while console is better. You've been one of a many members specifically in System wars who has promoted the "pc has no games", the horrible generalizations of " Pc cost thousands of dollars", pc games are always horrible bugged and console games not, "pc is only for mmo's and rts".... Obviously, looking at the threads you've made in this forum, I would deduce you look at the Pc as some inferior platform and in some battle against the console hardware.

Ironically I'm mainly a PC gamer myself. So just because I dare speak out my opinions makes me "anti-PC" or even "PC hater"? Great logic.

Shogun 2 and Witcher 2 on highest are very good indicators of what is a generation ahead of consoles. Witcher 2 will be coming to consoles, and they say it will keep its quality, but I'm sure it won't look much better than low on PC. 110million

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

This has always been so. But it's mostly due to the overexaggeration of graphics overall in terms of how they enrich a game. Great graphics are nice, but gameplay is still so much further ahead in the list of priorities, at least IMO.

ehussein1379

Terraria proves that graphics don't stop a game from being epic fun; however a combination of great graphics and great gameplay is the best of both worlds.

Try playing Daggerfall, and then looking at screenshots of Skyrim. I would rather just look at the screenshots.

I can agree to that, but having the best of both worlds doesn't mean that any product lacking in the graphics department is inherently inferior. I'm not saying that's what you say, not at all, but many others I've met on the internet do.

[QUOTE="HaLoMaStErJT"]

There is no doubt that pc games look better, but its not that much of the difference that its a whole generation ahead.

streetridaz

Ironically, that's not far off-base where I live. Getting a decent computer here will cost me at least $2000, then the additional costs of anything extra I may need. It's dependant on where you live, after all.

[QUOTE="HaLoMaStErJT"]

There is no doubt that pc games look better, but its not that much of the difference that its a whole generation ahead.

streetridaz

[QUOTE="streetridaz"][QUOTE="HaLoMaStErJT"]

There is no doubt that pc games look better, but its not that much of the difference that its a whole generation ahead.

calvinsora

Ironically, that's not far off-base where I live. Getting a decent computer here will cost me at least $2000, then the additional costs of anything extra I may need. It's dependant on where you live, after all.

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[QUOTE="streetridaz"] Denial is a terrible thing to deny! :) I can't take anyone seriously that says things like this. It puts you right into the catagory of people that say a gaming PC costs $3000 dollars.soulitane

Ironically, that's not far off-base where I live. Getting a decent computer here will cost me at least $2000, then the additional costs of anything extra I may need. It's dependant on where you live, after all.

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[QUOTE="streetridaz"] Denial is a terrible thing to deny! :) I can't take anyone seriously that says things like this. It puts you right into the catagory of people that say a gaming PC costs $3000 dollars.soulitane

Ironically, that's not far off-base where I live. Getting a decent computer here will cost me at least $2000, then the additional costs of anything extra I may need. It's dependant on where you live, after all.

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="calvinsora"]

Ironically, that's not far off-base where I live. Getting a decent computer here will cost me at least $2000, then the additional costs of anything extra I may need. It's dependant on where you live, after all.

ferret-gamer

Not a bad idea, all things considered, but getting things shipped to Iceland is often an incredible hassle for most sites. When I eventually invest in a good computer in the future, though, that's most likely what I'll do.

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[QUOTE="streetridaz"] Denial is a terrible thing to deny! :) I can't take anyone seriously that says things like this. It puts you right into the catagory of people that say a gaming PC costs $3000 dollars.soulitane

Ironically, that's not far off-base where I live. Getting a decent computer here will cost me at least $2000, then the additional costs of anything extra I may need. It's dependant on where you live, after all.

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="calvinsora"]

Ironically, that's not far off-base where I live. Getting a decent computer here will cost me at least $2000, then the additional costs of anything extra I may need. It's dependant on where you live, after all.

Iantheone

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="soulitane"] You guys should order from the US and have it forwarded to where you live if stuff costs that much of a premium, paying the shipping would be well worth the valuecalvinsora

Not a bad idea, all things considered, but getting things shipped to Iceland is often an incredible hassle for most sites. When I eventually invest in a good computer in the future, though, that's most likely what I'll do.

Shogun 2 and Witcher 2 on highest are very good indicators of what is a generation ahead of consoles. Witcher 2 will be coming to consoles, and they say it will keep its quality, but I'm sure it won't look much better than low on PC. 110million

[QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="soulitane"] You're not the only one, if I want a computer with a quad core and all that stuff it will cost me near $2000+.soulitane

[QUOTE="110million"]Shogun 2 and Witcher 2 on highest are very good indicators of what is a generation ahead of consoles. Witcher 2 will be coming to consoles, and they say it will keep its quality, but I'm sure it won't look much better than low on PC. xsubtownerx

Large areas with deep, high-resolution vegetation is not just adding AA or higher resolution. The lushness and beauty of the forests is simply impossible on the 360 and PS3.

Clothes on NPCs look quite great too.

They may not be good defining points for what is a generation ahead, but many games going from PS2->PS3 and XBOX->XBOX360 did not do a ton. Better textures, better physics, higher resolution, better shadows, etc. Its all you can do in terms of technical power.

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="110million"]Shogun 2 and Witcher 2 on highest are very good indicators of what is a generation ahead of consoles. Witcher 2 will be coming to consoles, and they say it will keep its quality, but I'm sure it won't look much better than low on PC. 110million

Large areas with deep, high-resolution vegetation is not just adding AA or higher resolution. The lushness and beauty of the forests is simply impossible on the 360 and PS3.

Clothes on NPCs look quite great too.

They may not be good defining points for what is a generation ahead, but many games going from PS2->PS3 and XBOX->XBOX360 did not do a ton. Better textures, better physics, higher resolution, better shadows, etc. Its all you can do in terms of technical power.

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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="soulitane"] You guys should order from the US and have it forwarded to where you live if stuff costs that much of a premium, paying the shipping would be well worth the valueferret-gamer

Not a bad idea, all things considered, but getting things shipped to Iceland is often an incredible hassle for most sites. When I eventually invest in a good computer in the future, though, that's most likely what I'll do.

Hmm, that sounds possible. Thanks for the info, I'll keep it in mind.

A more fitting title would be console gamers over-exagerate the level of graphics for their games.

Ironically I'm mainly a PC gamer myself. So just because I dare speak out my opinions makes me "anti-PC" or even "PC hater"? Great logic.

nameless12345

My summation is base enitrely on your anti Pc threads you've made in the last year. When a member makes up to several threads critisizing a platform and stating another is better.. its simple to deduce he is either Anti X, a hater, or a fanboy.

How about we put some perspective on your X better the Y threads, anti Pc making threads, rant threads etc....

• Many Pc games are horribly bugged
• Pc gaming not viable?
• PC vs Consoles
• Pc games to Complex?
• consoles always innovating (PC isn't...)
• Consoles are Industry leaders (Pc gaming not relevant)
• Is the Pc a Gaming system?

There is a stark contrast then just opinions to intentially making threads stating Pc is inferior. Infact, in your last year, I do not recall once where you spoke of something in the good of Pc. It has always been some console>pc. This is all fine but for to you now say "i am mainly a pc gamer" does not beter yourself at all from how you've presented yourself in this forum.. Let us not forget all the statements in threads that ahve been disproven time and time again on statements about pc gaming.

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[QUOTE="Iantheone"] Thats why you buy AMD and ATI. Iantheone

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I don't know about you guys but it gets pretty annoying when Hermits state the obvious over and over... and over again. Especially when there a console discussion and they bring up the PC out of no where...:roll:

TailBlood

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="calvinsora"]

Ironically, that's not far off-base where I live. Getting a decent computer here will cost me at least $2000, then the additional costs of anything extra I may need. It's dependant on where you live, after all.

Iantheone

ATI doesn't exist i.e. it's AMD.

[QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="soulitane"] You're not the only one, if I want a computer with a quad core and all that stuff it will cost me near $2000+.ronvalencia

ATI doesn't exist i.e. it's AMD.

I agree, the only differences I see on PC are higher resolution, better draw distance, higher-res textures which doesn't make a huge difference. Not worth switching to PC.pomd1

Cheaper games, mods, don't pay for online (if your comparing to 360), better lighting, the capabibility for better AI (haven't seen anything surpass F.E.A.R. whoch came out in 2005), there are more differences than what you state.

PC also has mods, the ability to use mouse/kb AND controllers, "free to play" games, many more RTS's and MMORPG's, very few "peer to peer" multiplayer, its almost all dedicated servers, ACTUAL 1080p (Console 1080p=stretched 720p pixels), vastly better customization, and its not all controlled by one company like consoles.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Ironically I'm mainly a PC gamer myself. So just because I dare speak out my opinions makes me "anti-PC" or even "PC hater"? Great logic.

jedikevin2

My summation is base enitrely on your anti Pc threads you've made in the last year. When a member makes up to several threads critisizing a platform and stating another is better.. its simple to deduce he is either Anti X, a hater, or a fanboy.

How about we put some perspective on your X better the Y threads, anti Pc making threads, rant threads etc....

• Many Pc games are horribly bugged
• Pc gaming not viable?
• PC vs Consoles
• Pc games to Complex?
• consoles always innovating (PC isn't...)
• Consoles are Industry leaders (Pc gaming not relevant)
• Is the Pc a Gaming system?

There is a stark contrast then just opinions to intentially making threads stating Pc is inferior. Infact, in your last year, I do not recall once where you spoke of something in the good of Pc. It has always been some console>pc. This is all fine but for to you now say "i am mainly a pc gamer" does not beter yourself at all from how you've presented yourself in this forum.. Let us not forget all the statements in threads that ahve been disproven time and time again on statements about pc gaming.

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Ever since I played L4D2, CSS, Crysis, and more on somebody else's gaming PC, and then seen footage of BF3 and TW2, I've never been able to look at console graphics the same, not even Killzone 3 when I Gamefly'd it today lol. I can't wait to jump in and start trashing on consoles!-RocBoys9489-

[QUOTE="pomd1"]I agree, the only differences I see on PC are higher resolution, better draw distance, higher-res textures which doesn't make a huge difference. Not worth switching to PC.PublicNuisance

Cheaper games, mods, don't pay for online (if your comparing to 360), better lighting, the capabibility for better AI (haven't seen anything surpass F.E.A.R. whoch came out in 2005), there are more differences than what you state.

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[QUOTE="pomd1"]I agree, the only differences I see on PC are higher resolution, better draw distance, higher-res textures which doesn't make a huge difference. Not worth switching to PC.dom2000

Cheaper games, mods, don't pay for online (if your comparing to 360), better lighting, the capabibility for better AI (haven't seen anything surpass F.E.A.R. whoch came out in 2005), there are more differences than what you state.

Killzone? Lolfail. Nothing special there, highly scripted AI in small linear levels with only one or two designated flanking roues. OOOOOOOOHHH I'm impressed!! Ever hear of ARMA 2? Every RTS game? They demonstrate better AI.

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Cheaper games, mods, don't pay for online (if your comparing to 360), better lighting, the capabibility for better AI (haven't seen anything surpass F.E.A.R. whoch came out in 2005), there are more differences than what you state.

NanosuitLover

Killzone? Lolfail. Nothing special there, highly scripted AI in small linear levels with only one or two designated flanking roues. OOOOOOOOHHH I'm impressed!! Ever hear of ARMA 2? Every RTS game? They demonstrate better AI.

In any case to call Killzone AI bad is simply laughable. They aren't scripted at all. No battle plays out the same way.

Hyperbole. Saying that PC games look several generations better is a hyperbolic way of saying that PC games look ALOT better. ferret-gamer

Exactly, I doubt the person was being literal TC... Though you never know in SW :P

The jump from last-gen to this gen wasmore impactful due to the jump to HD... Whereas PC's have done HD for years before it.