According to Sony they are number one

Basically money talks.... Even though I don't love the Wii, it is dominating and xbox is after them. Sony can rest on it's laurels and claim they are an industry leader, but they're a business. They cannot dominate now or in the future without sales. They're a business and have to be profitable. They can spin it how they want, but longevity will mean nothing if Nintendo and Xbox come out with their new system years before the new playstation. They can make a machine that will last 20 years, but that won't satisfy gamers forever, they will move on and Playstation will have to as well.

It's official, Sony is run by delusional idiots. No wonder the PS3 is failing so bad.Dahaka-UK

their demographics are different, but they are all in the same industry... the videogame industry.ogvampire

Last I checked, Wii's marketing was tremendously different from Sony's. They're both trying to reach out to different groups. i.e. They're not in direct competition on that front. Wii is trying to be a multipurpose exercise machine that capitalizes on novelty appeal for basically any demographic. Sony is going straight for the gamers.

Let me be sony for a sec. "We dont consider nintendo in the same market as us"

btw someone should make a comic with this guy,.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]their demographics are different, but they are all in the same industry... the videogame industry.Pariah_001

Last I checked, Wii's marketing was tremendously different from Sony's. They're both trying to reach out to different groups. i.e. They're not in direct competition on that front. Wii is trying to be a multipurpose exercise machine that capitalizes on novelty appeal for basically any demographic. Sony is going straight for the gamers.

In other words: "We are the number one because we don't count our competitors (who are actually beating us)"

IronBass

^This sums it up perfectly.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]their demographics are different, but they are all in the same industry... the videogame industry.Pariah_001

Last I checked, Wii's marketing was tremendously different from Sony's. They're both trying to reach out to different groups. i.e. They're not in direct competition on that front. Wii is trying to be a multipurpose exercise machine that capitalizes on novelty appeal for basically any demographic. Sony is going straight for the gamers.

sony is not going straight for gamers, they are going straight for technophiles... why would they include an unnecessary blu-ray drive in a videogames console, and include a remote and blu-ray movie in their bundles?:|

Sony is going straight for the gamers.Pariah_001

Right, thats exactly why we get PS3 commercials like this.:roll:

really? rockband, gh? gta all say hello to you. all compaines are competeting with gamers. hence they in the video game market.fbigent34

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]their demographics are different, but they are all in the same industry... the videogame industry.ogvampire

Last I checked, Wii's marketing was tremendously different from Sony's. They're both trying to reach out to different groups. i.e. They're not in direct competition on that front. Wii is trying to be a multipurpose exercise machine that capitalizes on novelty appeal for basically any demographic. Sony is going straight for the gamers.

sony is not going straight for gamers, they are going straight for technophiles... why would they include an unnecessary blu-ray drive in a videogames console, and include a remote and blu-ray movie in their bundles?:|

sony is not going straight for gamers, they are going straight for technophiles... why would they include an unnecessary blu-ray drive in a videogames console, and include a remote and blu-ray movie in their bundles?:|ogvampire

Right, thats exactly why we get PS3 commercials like this.:roll:TAKE_IT_BACK

[QUOTE="fbigent34"]really? rockband, gh? gta all say hello to you. all compaines are competeting with gamers. hence they in the video game market.Pariah_001

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

Last I checked, Wii's marketing was tremendously different from Sony's. They're both trying to reach out to different groups. i.e. They're not in direct competition on that front. Wii is trying to be a multipurpose exercise machine that capitalizes on novelty appeal for basically any demographic. Sony is going straight for the gamers.

KingTuttle

sony is not going straight for gamers, they are going straight for technophiles... why would they include an unnecessary blu-ray drive in a videogames console, and include a remote and blu-ray movie in their bundles?:|

ok, so what does that have to do with my point that sony wasnt going straight for the gamers with the ps3?

[QUOTE="fbigent34"]really? rockband, gh? gta all say hello to you. all compaines are competeting with gamers. hence they in the video game market.Pariah_001

[QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]Right, thats exactly why we get PS3 commercials like this.:roll:Pariah_001

But you saw how Sony was specifically showing off the PS3's Blu-Ray and movie downloading service. They're trying to appeal to a market of people who want to upgrade to Blu-Ray as well casual and hardcore gamers. They're keeping there options open because its obvious that not enough gamers support the PS3's software to a point where it could offset the money lost on each console made.

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"][QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]Right, thats exactly why we get PS3 commercials like this.:roll:TAKE_IT_BACK

But you saw how Sony was specifically showing off the PS3's Blu-Ray and movie downloading service. They're trying to appeal to a market of people who want to upgrade to Blu-Ray as well casual and hardcore gamers. They're keeping there options open because its obvious that not enough gamers support the PS3's software to a point where it could offset the money lost on each console made.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]sony is not going straight for gamers, they are going straight for technophiles... why would they include an unnecessary blu-ray drive in a videogames console, and include a remote and blu-ray movie in their bundles?:|Pariah_001

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]sony is not going straight for gamers, they are going straight for technophiles... why would they include an unnecessary blu-ray drive in a videogames console, and include a remote and blu-ray movie in their bundles?:|Pariah_001

alot of ps3 games have to install gigs of info to be 'optimised' to work properly.... explain to me again why blu-ray is necessary for gaming when the PC and 360 have no issues and have pretty much the same games?

But you saw how Sony was specifically showing off the PS3's Blu-Ray and movie downloading service. They're trying to appeal to a market of people who want to upgrade to Blu-Ray as well casual and hardcore gamers. They're keeping there options open because its obvious that not enough gamers support the PS3's software to a point where it could offset the money lost on each console made.TAKE_IT_BACK

All this point tries to tell me is that they'd be using a Blu-Ray as a stepping stone to selling more games.

The commercial is not enough to assume that Sony is trying to overshadow gaming since it clearly implied that it was a peripheral function. The character in the commercial got it to play games. That's the emphasis.

Except that going farther back WOULD give a definite difference. As it stands nearly every game comes on a single disc and looks and plays the same. Of course I expect nothing less of you than defending anything sony says or does to your dying breath.Steppy_76

[QUOTE="kingtito"] Only a Sony fanboy would say the Wii and PS3 are in different markets. Last time I checked the home console market is where they're trying to sell those products. Pariah_001

"It's difficult to talk about Nintendo, because we don't look at their console as being a competitor"

HarlockJC

Maybe they should start, because I bought a Wii instead of a 360 or PS3.

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]Except that going farther back WOULD give a definite difference. As it stands nearly every game comes on a single disc and looks and plays the same. Of course I expect nothing less of you than defending anything sony says or does to your dying breath.Pariah_001

alot of ps3 games have to install gigs of info to be 'optimised' to work properly.... explain to me again why blu-ray is necessary for gaming when the PC and 360 have no issues and have pretty much the same games?ogvampire

largest lifespan? not if more people don't start buying it...and games for it too. KingTuttle

That large life span won't show off during this gen, it will show up on the next one. I would even say the PS3 is a 7.5 gen console, meaning that it's much too advanced for the 7th gen, yet Sony doesn't shows off the full potential of the PS3 as long as there is no need (that's why many PS3 games are similar in overall quality to many 360 games). They're saving the best for last. In other words, when both Microsoft and Nintendo show up their next gen consoles, the PS3 would have some significant price drop, becoming attractive to both minor developers and most of the current public. That way, Sony will have a mega sales boost, like the one the PS2 experienced by the late 6th gen. All of that, and the console would still have enough juice to deliver...

I wouldn't say the PSP's faring well enough (limited library, cheap excuse for an analog stick, short battery life, overlycostly UMDs, lots of media functionality not needed by most gamers...).

So you're saying the Wii, PS3 and 360 aren't consoles? You have to be the biggest fanboy on these forums.....and that's saying something.kingtito

[QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]But you saw how Sony was specifically showing off the PS3's Blu-Ray and movie downloading service. They're trying to appeal to a market of people who want to upgrade to Blu-Ray as well casual and hardcore gamers. They're keeping there options open because its obvious that not enough gamers support the PS3's software to a point where it could offset the money lost on each console made.Pariah_001

All this point tries to tell me is that they'd be using a Blu-Ray as a stepping stone to selling more games.

The commercial is not enough to assume that Sony is trying to overshadow gaming since it clearly implied that it was a peripheral function. The character in the commercial got it to play games. That's the emphasis.

let me try to use your logic against you:

at this point the wii is using casual games as a stepping stone to get non-gamers interested in gaming and to have them buy more games...

i would say since the Wii doesnt play DVD's or any kind of movie and is not trying to get people to watch or buy movies, it is Nintendo that is going straight for the gamer, not sony...

well sony at the moment has the system that has the largest life span, wii is a gamecube with motion sensors and the 360 is reaching the end of the road. the ps3 is not only a game system it is also a blue ray movie player and since blue ray won the movie wars this makes ps3 a two in one deal so sony does not have to make a new system since there's will survive for a while yet.hellsing6666666

[QUOTE="kingtito"]So you're saying the Wii, PS3 and 360 aren't consoles? You have to be the biggest fanboy on these forums.....and that's saying something.Pariah_001

[QUOTE="TAKE_IT_BACK"]But you saw how Sony was specifically showing off the PS3's Blu-Ray and movie downloading service. They're trying to appeal to a market of people who want to upgrade to Blu-Ray as well casual and hardcore gamers. They're keeping there options open because its obvious that not enough gamers support the PS3's software to a point where it could offset the money lost on each console made.Pariah_001

All this point tries to tell me is that they'd be using a Blu-Ray as a stepping stone to selling more games.

The commercial is not enough to assume that Sony is trying to overshadow gaming since it clearly implied that it was a peripheral function. The character in the commercial got it to play games. That's the emphasis.

You misunderstand me: I agree that Blu-Ray is a way to get non-gamers who are just buying the PS3 for it. But that obviously shows they are not aiming "straight for gamers" They are aiming to attract non gamers and casuals as well, and that is smart, especially when no one is buying their games.

let me try to use your logic against you: at this point the wii is using casual games as a stepping stone to get non-gamers interested in gaming and to have them buy more games... ogvampire

i would say since the Wii doesnt play DVD's or any kind of movie and is not trying to get people to watch or buy movies, it is Nintendo that is going straight for the gamer, not sony...ogvampire

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]alot of ps3 games have to install gigs of info to be 'optimised' to work properly.... explain to me again why blu-ray is necessary for gaming when the PC and 360 have no issues and have pretty much the same games?Pariah_001

'blu-ray was used to make it'?

blu-ray was not used to make anything... its just a storage medium:|

multiple disks? 360 has had only a couple of games that needed that... wow :roll:

also, if the 360 had the option to install info on the HDD when those games were being developed, the devs wouldnt have needed to make that game into multiple disks...

its obvious you dont know what youre talking about, so i wont bother with this discussion

have a nice day

What?????? Since when has the Wii been marketed as something else? I've NEVER seen it marketed as something else other than a console, can't say the same for the PS3 though. kingtito

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]let me try to use your logic against you: at this point the wii is using casual games as a stepping stone to get non-gamers interested in gaming and to have them buy more games... Pariah_001

i would say since the Wii doesnt play DVD's or any kind of movie and is not trying to get people to watch or buy movies, it is Nintendo that is going straight for the gamer, not sony...ogvampire

now im convinced... you work for Sony:lol:

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]Except that going farther back WOULD give a definite difference. As it stands nearly every game comes on a single disc and looks and plays the same. Of course I expect nothing less of you than defending anything sony says or does to your dying breath.Pariah_001

You misunderstand me: I agree that Blu-Ray is a way to get non-gamers who are just buying the PS3 for it. But that obviously shows they are not aiming "straight for gamers" They are aiming to attract non gamers and casuals as well, and that is smart, especially when no one is buying their games.TAKE_IT_BACK

[QUOTE="kingtito"]What?????? Since when has the Wii been marketed as something else? I've NEVER seen it marketed as something else other than a console, can't say the same for the PS3 though. Pariah_001

[QUOTE="DAZZER7"]

Where did SOny or anyone else say that they were the "current market leaders". Please point out where you got that information from, because otherwise you look like you shot your mouth off without knowing what you are talking about.

ZIMdoom

[QUOTE="DAZZER7"]Well put lol. Sony are not the 'current' market leaders no matter how the cows or their execs try and spin it! ZIMdoom

Where did SOny or anyone else say that they were the "current market leaders". Please point out where you got that information from, because otherwise you look like you shot your mouth off without knowing what you are talking about.

'blu-ray was used to make it'?blu-ray was not used to make anything... its just a storage medium

That's required for maintaining quality in the games specifically designed to work towards its strengths. Very good.

multiple disks? 360 has had only a couple of games that needed that... wow :roll:ogvampire

That doesn't answer my question. Blu-ray seeks to amplify quality by downplaying compression and eliminate the need for disk swapping. 360 games are reliant upon those things.

also, if the 360 had the option to install info on the HDD when those games were being developed, the devs wouldnt have needed to make that game into multiple disks... ogvampire

Which is my point. Are you trying to say that directly reading DVDs is unnecessary in the same vein as Blu-ray since gamers could just download installs?

its obvious you dont know what youre talking about, so i wont bother with this discussion have a nice dayogvampire

And he makes a new reply seconds later.

No, I'm going to look at the overwhelming number of single disc games vs. the two you mentioned. Or is your stance really that helping out less than half a percent of games equals "needed".Steppy_76

You misunderstand me. I wasn't saying that Sony was using Blu-ray to attract non-gamers Pariah_001

But they are:?

They are going straight for gamers before trying to peddle a format and movie player.Pariah_001

If thats really the way you want to consider it... But that is not going "straight for gamers". Maybe they do(or did) put gamers before non gamers, but its obvious that they aren't just appealing to gamers, therefore they are not going "straight for gamers".

I'm quite confused on why you act like its such a bad thing to appeal to non gamers and casuals. If Sony wasn't doing that, they would probably be in a worse spot then they are now. Putting faith in so called "hardcore" gamers was their mistake: where are these so called gamers when LBP and R2 flopped in sales?

[QUOTE="kingtito"]So you're saying the Wii, PS3 and 360 aren't consoles? You have to be the biggest fanboy on these forums.....and that's saying something.Pariah_001

But they are:?TAKE_IT_BACK

Allow me to amend: The Blu-Rays purpose is not to attract non-gamers and their more direct marketing doesn't try to. Peripherally is another story.

If thats really the way you want to consider it... But that is not going "straight for gamers". Maybe they do(or did) put gamers before non gamers, but its obvious that they aren't just appealing to gamers, therefore they are not going "straight for gamers".

I'm quite confused on why you act like its such a bad thing to appeal to non gamers and casuals. If Sony wasn't doing that, they would probably be in a worse spot then they are now. Putting faith in so called "hardcore" gamers was their mistake: where are these so called gamers when LBP and R2 flopped in sales?

TAKE_IT_BACK

First: It's possible to go "straight" for a certain demographic before letting people know about the console's peripheral features.

Second: I'm not saying it would be a bad thing. I'm just saying it's not the reality of the matter.

We should rename Sony Fanboys ostriches.

With the new slogan "IF WE DONT SEE IT, IT ISNT HAPPENING"