According to Teamxbox, Halo 3's visuals will not improve much.

As a lemming, I'm very worried. Even Teamxbox said that they don't expect there to be much upgrade in the visuals in regards to the multiplayer version of the game.. They said visually, what we see it pretty much what we are going to get, with an addition of a few bells and whistles. Although I'm a lemming, I'm an honest one and I call them as I see them. I think the consensus from people who have actually PLAYED the game is that althought the visuals look good, they are infact a bit underwhelming.

I for one think this sad and I feel as if we could have had soooo much more. I don't understand why we can't have BOTH amazing gameplay as well as visuals. Why do we have to pick one or the other and not both? The xbox360 is an amazing powerful system and I for one don't think there is any valide excuse for not making this game look incredible. I really think Bungie is being forced to rush this game in time for the Holidays and in the process are taking short cuts when it comes to the visuals.

With that being said, I think the gameplay is looking pretty tight. However, the one thing that really bothers me is the 16 player max per game. I just don't see why they couldnt have at least icreased it a bit so that we could really have fun on the bigger maps. Even gamespot made a comment about how the bigger map in the beta seemed to take way to long to play even with 16 people playing. With the visuals not looking all that great thus giving the xbox360 left over power, I don't there is any valide excuse for not having the ability or option of having more players on screen at a time.

Xboxlive gamer tag: Homer75

As a lemming, I'm very worried. Even Teamxbox said that they don't expect there to be much upgrade in the visuals in regards to the multiplayer version of the game.. They said visually, what we see it pretty much what we are going to get, with an addition of a few bells and whistles. Although I'm a lemming, I'm an honest one and I call them as I see them. I think the consensus from people who have actually PLAYED the game is that althought the visuals look good, they are infact a bit underwhelming.

I for one think this sad and I feel as if we could have had soooo much more. I don't understand why we can't have BOTH amazing gameplay as well as visuals. Why do we have to pick one or the other and not both? The xbox360 is an amazing powerful system and I for one don't think there is any valide excuse for not making this game look incredible. I really think Bungie is being forced to rush this game in time for the Holidays and in the process are taking short cuts when it comes to the visuals.

With that being said, I think the gameplay is looking pretty tight. However, the one thing that really bothers me is the 16 player max per game. I just don't see why they couldnt have at least icreased it a bit so that we could really have fun on the bigger maps. Even gamespot made a comment about how the bigger map in the beta seemed to take way to long to play even with 16 people playing. With the visuals not looking all that great thus giving the xbox360 left over power, I don't there is any valide excuse for not having the ability or option of having more players on screen at a time.

 

Xboxlive gamer tag: Homer75

neversummer75

I just think people should stop focusing on just graphics.  Gameplay and graphics is a key combo and i agree we shouldnt have to chose but the MAIN reason the graphics look so underwhelming is because the game was hyped to high heaven.  Dont people realize that nothing can be as good as the way a fanboy imagines it, and very few people have realistic expectations.

As for the 16 player max, I have Resistance and when I play 20 vs 20 its way to chaotic.  16 seems fine.

The 16 player part has little to do with the 360's power but more with peoples connections. You still depend on a hosts connection and if its not extremely good 16 players should be max. Resistance gets 40 players because its on dedicated servers.elcoholic

no its because they said, 40 players is possible but it just disent suit the maps and gameplay.

TC, did you have a problem playing Halo 2?Sir-Marwin105

No, I didnt have a problem with Halo 2. I thought the single player could have been a bit better but I did like the game. I will be the first one to admit it. I LOVE really good graphics. Thats one of the biggest reasons I bought the xbox360 which is a nextgen system. If I didnt care, I would have just kept my xbox and not upgraded.  I think Halo 3 looks good but it does not impress me.

i saw this one coming. this game wont even be AAA

Halo 3 will not be the best looking game out.  Probably won't be in the top 5.  My hope though is that the gameplay is unamtched!! dhjohns

I see your point. However, why can't we have both? Why can't be have really good gameplay and really good visuals? I just don't understant it when people say, "well, in order to have great gameplay, the developers have to sacrafice on the visuals." I for one think that is a copout.

if all u care about is graphics get a pc with the best video card . consoles will never be ahead of pcs ! who cares if it does not look as good as people wanted it to all it matters is its fun . u gamers have lost touch in what games are .deadmeat59

I never once said that I only cared about graphics. Why don't you try reading the entire post next time. I said that I wanted both.

It's bungie fault for using a crappy engine.

[QUOTE="deadmeat59"]if all u care about is graphics get a pc with the best video card . consoles will never be ahead of pcs ! who cares if it does not look as good as people wanted it to all it matters is its fun . u gamers have lost touch in what games are .neversummer75

I never once said that I only cared about graphics. Why don't you try reading the entire post next time. I said that I wanted both.

honestly, is that too much to ask for after I spent 400 bones on a nextgen system. I KNOW the xbox360 is capable of so much more than this. I really think its coming down to Bungie rushing this game in and in the process cutting corners especially when it comes to the visuals.

wow this is pretty funny. In month lemmings and cows has argument about graphics. But suddenly when Halo 3 graphic are a let down they dont care about the graphic anymore. Rip870

I still care about graphics...

So? The graphics look great as they are now. It's not like you're gonna notice them when you're playing the multiplayer anyway.TyrantDragon55

They look great? Most people that have actually PLAYED the game say the visuals look "good", not "great." Most say it looks good but is, in some ways, underwhelming. Heck, even teamxbox, which are all fellow lemmings, say the visuals are underwhelming. Now that says a lot!

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]So? The graphics look great as they are now. It's not like you're gonna notice them when you're playing the multiplayer anyway.neversummer75

They look great? Most people that have actually PLAYED the game say the visuals look "good", not "great." Most say it looks good but is, in some ways, underwhelming. Heck, even teamxbox, which are all fellow lemmings, say the visuals are underwhelming. Now that says a lot!

Because they were expecting too much from the game. If you put asside the hype and actually look at the game for what it is, it looks great.

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]So? The graphics look great as they are now. It's not like you're gonna notice them when you're playing the multiplayer anyway.neversummer75

They look great? Most people that have actually PLAYED the game say the visuals look "good", not "great." Most say it looks good but is, in some ways, underwhelming. Heck, even teamxbox, which are all fellow lemmings, say the visuals are underwhelming. Now that says a lot!

Can you say: "6 months in development"? I guess not. Have fun not playing the demo, kid

[QUOTE="Rip870"]wow this is pretty funny. In month lemmings and cows has argument about graphics. But suddenly when Halo 3 graphic are a let down they dont care about the graphic anymore. Mikerules868

I still care about graphics...

I care about both! Like I said, if I didn't care about graphics and only cared about gameplay, I would have stayed with my original xbox and not spent 400 bones on the xbox360. The reason I purhcased the xbox360 was because I wanted great gameplay AS WELL as great visuals. Only the most BLIND fanboys would say that Halo 3 looks amazing. I'm a 100% lemming and I say that while Halo 3 looks GOOD, it is FAR from AMAZING.

Fellow lemmings, its called being honest and calling them how you see them. You may want to try it. I for one put more credence in the oppinions of those who have actually played the game. The concensus with those who actually played the game is that although the game looks good, it is a bit underwhelming. I for one want both amazing gameplay as well as visuals.

Xboxlive Gamertag: Homer75

wow this is pretty funny. In month lemmings and cows has argument about graphics. But suddenly when Halo 3 graphic are a let down they dont care about the graphic anymore. Rip870

Thats the point! Halo 3's Beta graphics ARN'T A LET DOWN! When will you fanboys open your eyes?

Those claiming ownage or worrying the graphics look average are quite uninformed. Bungie have a history of making decent looking games look incredible in the last few weeks of production. This is the reason Forza 2 is looking sweet when it looked average before. Most games do this, it's what the last 5 weeks of production are for.

As for 16 players, it was laggy as heck on H2 and I rarely played more than 12 player games with it. So it makes no difference for me. 

[QUOTE="Mikerules868"]

[QUOTE="Rip870"]wow this is pretty funny. In month lemmings and cows has argument about graphics. But suddenly when Halo 3 graphic are a let down they dont care about the graphic anymore. neversummer75

I still care about graphics...

I care about both! Like I said, if I didn't care about graphics and only cared about gameplay, I would have stayed with my original xbox and not spent 400 bones on the xbox360. The reason I purhcased the xbox360 was because I wanted great gameplay AS WELL as great visuals. Only the most BLIND fanboys would say that Halo 3 looks amazing. I'm a 100% lemming and I say that while Halo 3 looks GOOD, it is FAR from AMAZING.

Fellow lemmings, its called being honest and calling them how you see them. You may want to try it. I for one put more credence in the oppinions of those who have actually played the game. The concensus with those who actually played the game is that although the game looks good, it is a bit underwhelming. I for one want both amazing gameplay as well as visuals.

Xboxlive Gamertag: Homer75

Now your confusing me, are you angry?

Instead of going by Teamxbox's assumption on Halo 3's future visuals based on the Beta, let's wait for the final version of Halo 3 to be released before making any judgements. I tell you, this corrupeted crystal ball is infecting video game media websites now...

" Visually, the Halo 3 beta looks impressive." - taken from the gamespot hands on

http://uk.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/halo3/news.html?sid=6170611&tag=topslot;title;2&om_act=convert&om_clk=topslot

it's time that the "halo looks teh suxors" threads ended now.

Those claiming ownage or worrying the graphics look average are quite uninformed. Bungie have a history of making decent looking games look incredible in the last few weeks of production. This is the reason Forza 2 is looking sweet when it looked average before. Most games do this, it's what the last 5 weeks of production are for.

As for 16 players, it was laggy as heck on H2 and I rarely played more than 12 player games with it. So it makes no difference for me. 

braydee1234

Bungie made Halo 1 in 7-8 months for the Xbox 1 launch, and look how amazing the graphics were. The graphics improved 180% from E3 (June?) to November

why has no one called this guy out? hes provided no link whatsoever.WilliamRLBaker

You got it my friend.

 "The visuals are now in HD, though honestly, they probably will leave many unimpressed. But really, no one will care if Halo 3 doesn't look like Gears of War as long as it plays great. And, after an hour of playtime, I think Halo 3 might just deliver"

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/787/787935p2.html

"After playing a series of matches, I started to get a bit more critical of the game once my journalistic side took over. As I mentioned earlier, I was not too impressed with the game's visuals and this was probably the first bit of criticism I noted to myself and others standing by. Some of the effects such as explosions and weapon fire do look a good deal better than what we've seen before, but I was not too won over by overall appearance of the environments themselves. The maps were well designed and well laid out, but graphically, they just didn't give that "next-gen" feeling of the more immersive surroundings that we've come to expect from the Xbox 360. By this I mean the subtle details we've seen in various next-gen games that create a more encompassing, living, breathing world. Halo 3's environments are definitely not bad looking, but they just don't seem to have that level of detail that makes us feel as though we are being transported from our living rooms to another world"

http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/1608/Halo-3/p1/

[QUOTE="braydee1234"]

Those claiming ownage or worrying the graphics look average are quite uninformed. Bungie have a history of making decent looking games look incredible in the last few weeks of production. This is the reason Forza 2 is looking sweet when it looked average before. Most games do this, it's what the last 5 weeks of production are for.

As for 16 players, it was laggy as heck on H2 and I rarely played more than 12 player games with it. So it makes no difference for me.

krp008

Bungie made Halo 1 in 7-8 months for the Xbox 1 launch, and look how amazing the graphics were. The graphics improved 180% from E3 (June?) to November

exactly.  I think this calls for a /thread

[QUOTE="krp008"][QUOTE="braydee1234"]

Those claiming ownage or worrying the graphics look average are quite uninformed. Bungie have a history of making decent looking games look incredible in the last few weeks of production. This is the reason Forza 2 is looking sweet when it looked average before. Most games do this, it's what the last 5 weeks of production are for.

As for 16 players, it was laggy as heck on H2 and I rarely played more than 12 player games with it. So it makes no difference for me.

braydee1234

Bungie made Halo 1 in 7-8 months for the Xbox 1 launch, and look how amazing the graphics were. The graphics improved 180% from E3 (June?) to November

was your claim supporting my point or not? it wasn't clear. 

Yes. Bungie improved the graphics 180% in 4-5 months (probably didnt focus on the graphics until 2-3 months before release)

[QUOTE="dhjohns"]Halo 3 will not be the best looking game out. Probably won't be in the top 5. My hope though is that the gameplay is unamtched!! neversummer75

I see your point. However, why can't we have both? Why can't be have really good gameplay and really good visuals? I just don't understant it when people say, "well, in order to have great gameplay, the developers have to sacrafice on the visuals." I for one think that is a copout.

It might be a "copout" but the viddocs I have seen on H3 really get me excited for the game.  The gameplay will be incredibly awesome.  Also, Bungie is not really known for groundbreaking graphics.  Having said this, the visuals should still be great! (just not the best) 

ok thanks for the link, now kindly point to the part where they say that the visuals wont get any better?

 because the only thing said is that no one will care if they dont, they never once said one time that the visuals couldn't or wouldn't get better. 

[QUOTE="braydee1234"][QUOTE="krp008"][QUOTE="braydee1234"]

Those claiming ownage or worrying the graphics look average are quite uninformed. Bungie have a history of making decent looking games look incredible in the last few weeks of production. This is the reason Forza 2 is looking sweet when it looked average before. Most games do this, it's what the last 5 weeks of production are for.

As for 16 players, it was laggy as heck on H2 and I rarely played more than 12 player games with it. So it makes no difference for me.

krp008

Bungie made Halo 1 in 7-8 months for the Xbox 1 launch, and look how amazing the graphics were. The graphics improved 180% from E3 (June?) to November

was your claim supporting my point or not? it wasn't clear. 

Yes. Bungie improved the graphics 180% in 4-5 months (probably didnt focus on the graphics until 2-3 months before release)

Well yean they have a tendancy to overhaul features such as graphics late in the development. Just remember Halo E3 and Halo when it was released...

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]why has no one called this guy out? hes provided no link whatsoever.neversummer75

You got it my friend.

 "The visuals are now in HD, though honestly, they probably will leave many unimpressed. But really, no one will care if Halo 3 doesn't look like Gears of War as long as it plays great. And, after an hour of playtime, I think Halo 3 might just deliver"

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/787/787935p2.html

"After playing a series of matches, I started to get a bit more critical of the game once my journalistic side took over. As I mentioned earlier, I was not too impressed with the game's visuals and this was probably the first bit of criticism I noted to myself and others standing by. Some of the effects such as explosions and weapon fire do look a good deal better than what we've seen before, but I was not too won over by overall appearance of the environments themselves. The maps were well designed and well laid out, but graphically, they just didn't give that "next-gen" feeling of the more immersive surroundings that we've come to expect from the Xbox 360. By this I mean the subtle details we've seen in various next-gen games that create a more encompassing, living, breathing world. Halo 3's environments are definitely not bad looking, but they just don't seem to have that level of detail that makes us feel as though we are being transported from our living rooms to another world"

http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/1608/Halo-3/p1/

People, thats what I mean. Yes, the visuals look good but not "NEXT-GEN" good. That is not what I purchased my xbox360 for. Will I still being picking up my pre-ordered Halo 3? Hell yes I will be. However, I am very disappointed in Bunggie. I expected WAY more out of them.

i saw this one coming. this game wont even be AAA

e20Dylan

You saw what coming?  Your ownage?  Have no fear this game is still AAA.  It may be just a 9.2 or so instead of a 9.5 or 9.6.  Don't get it twisted, this game may not be the best visually, but overall it will score AAA. 

ok thanks for the link, now kindly point to the part where they say that the visuals wont get any better?

 because the only thing said is that no one will care if they dont, they never once said one time that the visuals couldn't or wouldn't get better. 

WilliamRLBaker

Link is on the way. Give me a sec it get it.

    Visuals are not what has ever impressed me about the Halo series, and if that is all that you are worried about, you might just be missing the point of gaming, which is that games are supposed to be fun much moreso than visually stunning, and Halo has always been very fun and very solid.SpruceCaboose

I see your point and agree to an extent. However, is there a reason why we can't have amazing visuals as well?

[QUOTE="neversummer75"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]why has no one called this guy out? hes provided no link whatsoever.neversummer75

You got it my friend.

 "The visuals are now in HD, though honestly, they probably will leave many unimpressed. But really, no one will care if Halo 3 doesn't look like Gears of War as long as it plays great. And, after an hour of playtime, I think Halo 3 might just deliver"

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/787/787935p2.html

"After playing a series of matches, I started to get a bit more critical of the game once my journalistic side took over. As I mentioned earlier, I was not too impressed with the game's visuals and this was probably the first bit of criticism I noted to myself and others standing by. Some of the effects such as explosions and weapon fire do look a good deal better than what we've seen before, but I was not too won over by overall appearance of the environments themselves. The maps were well designed and well laid out, but graphically, they just didn't give that "next-gen" feeling of the more immersive surroundings that we've come to expect from the Xbox 360. By this I mean the subtle details we've seen in various next-gen games that create a more encompassing, living, breathing world. Halo 3's environments are definitely not bad looking, but they just don't seem to have that level of detail that makes us feel as though we are being transported from our living rooms to another world"

http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/1608/Halo-3/p1/

People, thats what I mean. Yes, the visuals look good but not "NEXT-GEN" good. That is not what I purchased my xbox360 for. Will I still being picking up my pre-ordered Halo 3? Hell yes I will be. However, I am very disappointed in Bunggie. I expected WAY more out of them.

So explain to me. What would make Halo 3 Beta look "next-gen good"? Cause i cant see what you fanboys see

[QUOTE="braydee1234"][QUOTE="krp008"][QUOTE="braydee1234"]

Those claiming ownage or worrying the graphics look average are quite uninformed. Bungie have a history of making decent looking games look incredible in the last few weeks of production. This is the reason Forza 2 is looking sweet when it looked average before. Most games do this, it's what the last 5 weeks of production are for.

As for 16 players, it was laggy as heck on H2 and I rarely played more than 12 player games with it. So it makes no difference for me.

krp008

Bungie made Halo 1 in 7-8 months for the Xbox 1 launch, and look how amazing the graphics were. The graphics improved 180% from E3 (June?) to November

was your claim supporting my point or not? it wasn't clear.

Yes. Bungie improved the graphics 180% in 4-5 months (probably didnt focus on the graphics until 2-3 months before release)

i keep finding quotes that disprove this "lemming" TC

Halo 3 might still be a work in progress, but the beta is already looking great."

taken from the same gamespot hands on.