Adjusting to 30fps and below on consoles is difficult.

@naz99: No one wrote that, either. I did write that updating my video driver for new games released is a pain in the ass.

You read something, got something else from it, then went on the attack, even after I basically admitted that PC gaming is superior. Amazing.

Ever since i built my pc, playing anything on console is difficult these days

@tjandmia: You really aren't helping your case by acting like a child. In fact, I'm not even sure what you are trying to prove anymore... That you can be an immature ass on the internet, maybe? Whatever point you may have had has lost all relevancy since you turned your own thread into a wannabe pissing contest.

Watch out for this one guys...

So proving my point perfectly again despite the misquote,

So you claim automated optional non mandatory driver updates that you dont need to do everytime a game gets released to be a giant pain in the ass, so you are still wrong, congrats?

I love the fact you have doubled down on me misquoting you once so you don't have to back up any of the other false crap you said

So...your point at the end of all this?

I bet you are gonna tell me you "fu**ed my mum" next aint you, the mentality seems to be heading that way :)

It's kinda odd that he hasn't come at me once, I wonder if we're buddies when he's on his other account?

This place is so weird like that lol.

Yeah, most of that stuff happens in the lounge now. People try to make real topics, and sometimes it works, but usually it's a lost cause.

When AMD releases a driver to support a game that won't work right without the driver update, it's not a "non-mandatory" update. It's also not automated.

Wow. I had no idea that my fellow hermits got so triggered over the slightest criticisms

And these game are? ......................

If you are going to make such claims you need to show them its clear the majority of people here have responded that they cant remember the last time a driver broke their games, and dont forget through this whole thing you have treated this and implied like its a major problem and happens all the time so where are these platform wide examples you never showed off?

If you keep repeating your schtick are you hoping it will stick and people just wont question it?

And Constantly implying im offended by this when you continue to act like a pre teen, is not working for you you need new material, you can keep saying it but it will never come true

We are triggred by misinformation and ignorance, triggered into defending against misinformation as you clearly show we dont need gamers to become stupider than so many of them already are, and like i said you are super saiyan master at that

@naz99: I'm the one acting like a pre-teen when it's you getting all butthurt over a little criticism of PC? Ahahahahahahaha!

You want specific examples? LOL Look at the release notes for ANY driver release for AMD or NVIDIA. Check the known issues, as well.

http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-Software-Crimson-Edition-16.5.2.aspx

Please. You're a clown and a waste of time.

Nobody is claiming that PC gaming is hassle free. We're just claiming that you're full of crap, and exaggerating the living shit out of the issues that do arise from time to time.

I have exaggerated nothing. You're reading nazz's posts where he basically just made shit up in his head and attributed it to me.

Sounds like this guy can not afford a proper PC rig anymore and he is trying to justify his move to console. It all makes sense now.

@BassMan: lol. The old "you're just jealous because you're too poor to game on a decent PC" comment. I was wondering when that would come.

Hey, I get it. Money is tight and you can't justify spending to build a new rig. I can respect that. Just don't come up with bullshit excuses and exaggerations to justify the move to console.

Those are only listed because they might happen to users. The chances of them happening are incredibly slim, and they put them in so that people who might be experiencing the problem, know that AMD knows about it and are actively working for a fix.

Do you have a documented case that we know is widespread? Like a link to a game forum blaming AMD drivers for a specific game?

@BassMan: I still have my gaming PC. It's not like it disappeared because I bought an Xbox one because it's easier and more convenient to game on.

You hermits are getting way too emotional over this.

It's funny, I have bought quite a few new AAA releases this year and haven't upgraded my drivers since last year and somehow all my games still work without a problem. If you're not intelligent enough to work a PC, then of course a console will seem easier. :P

Honestly if you can't handle 30fps, you're a noob, or you're too young and haven't played old videogames from previous generations. 60fps is great, but it's not the standard for all games. Plenty of PS4 games run at a solid 60fps (tomb raider), so there's really not a lot to complain about. Who plays Witcher 3 on console when they have access to a PC?

@walloftruth: yeah, that's it. Only people who aren't smart are forced to update their video drivers.

Wow. Hermits. You guys should be embarrassed of these people. OMG...

Eh, I saw something similar mentioned in the thread earlier... but nah.

Console games historically ran at higher refresh rates. They didn't take a hit until gen 5 and that was mainly just the N64 slumming it up. Plenty of PS1 and Saturn games ran at 60 frames. Then they got back on it in gen 6 with plenty of great performing games, only to turn around and lose it again in gen 7 because those machines weren't really up to the task of HD rendering.

Even prior to gen 6, some games rendered backgrounds at 30 frames or less, but the interactive elements were usually 60 frames.

Point being, a 60 frame standard is nothing new. It's only in relatively recent times that 30 frames has become more acceptable.

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As for the first part of your post, come on bro lol. Just because we put up with 30fps doesn't mean we have to like it. It's not a deal breaker, but it does suck. BotW is my favorite game so far this year, but that frame rate definitely puts a damper on the experience. It's not desirable at all.

And when you're used to gaming on a platform in which 60 is the bare minimum and 144 is the limit? Yeah, it really is a weird adjustment to make. 30 frames feels choppy and sluggish by comparison.

Well according to you:

? You HAVE to upgrade your GPU drivers to play new games.

? Updating your GPU drivers breaks old games.

? Windows updates break "things that worked fine".

Sounds an awful lot like user error, which means operating a PC is too difficult for you. ^_^

Oh and by the way, I ain't no hermit.

@walloftruth:

Yeah, I haven't updated my GPU driver since October. Haven't had a problem with any games either.

It takes like 2 clicks.... Updating the firmware on your console might as well be a pain in the ass.

@tjandmia: of course your games are going to struggle with an old ass slow FX series CPU

Either TC's a dumbass or a troll.

@walloftruth: But how's that possible, right? :P

Too obvious mate.

This thread is bad.

@walloftruth:

You have to update drivers sometimes to play new games. You denying it won't change the truth.

Windows updates break things.

Cry about it all you want. You can never change the truth.

@Jebus213: video drivers update for more often than Xbox firmware. Doing it sometimes twice a month for AMD as they fix all the shit they break from the last update.

None of this shit you guys post changes the fact that PC gaming is more of a hassle than console gaming. You're not going going to magically argue your way out of consoles being easier, so why are you even trying?

Only thing bad about consoles is the shitty frame rates, online play costs, and not so great backwards compatibility. Other than that, it's been an absolute pleasure to just pick up a controller and play without having to even think about anything else.

You forgot limited native controls, lack of customizability, no mods except for like 2 games, lower resolutions.

What did AMD break for you?

I spent 100 hours on PS4 Witcher 3. I didn't have much problem with it.

But I'd be lying if I say I'm not hyped for playing TW3 on my new PC though. Especially finally playing TW2 on it with everything on max. I played TW2 on 360 first despite owning TW2 on PC on day 1, and I thought they did a great job porting the game, but damn, TW2 on PC looks like a current-gen game.

Windows updates breaking things, what did it break? I can't remember this happening as far back as my early 2000 Windows XP machines. What driver incompatibility problems are you having? The only time I have driver problems or installing with a driver, is if the hardware is old as f***.

Going from 60fps to playing GTA 4 on the Xbox 360 is just comical. The frame rate is jerky as ****.

If a game that performs like this can score a ten, I have to call into question the standards of reviewers here. This is not acceptable imo.

People really put commendable effort to these threads, I should prob go download some more ram and install 9 drivers

@HalcyonScarlet: the windows 10 anniversary update killed virtual surround sound on my SB. Very annoying. Still no fix to this day.

That's about the only windows problem I have. I assume the lock ups and crashes to deal that happen occasionally are video driver or game related.

I do miss playing The Witcher 3 at 80fps, the Xbox one actually has more issues with this game than on the PC, where it played perfectly.

Are you serious?

Have you tried saying something negative about Scorpio recently? Apparently we're going to find it in a place like The Temple of Time where the Master Sword would be.

Nintendo fans are starting to come back and get touchy about their stuff, but why not, to be honest.

To be fair, the cows don't need to try that hard, their console pretty much speaks for itself right now.

PC gamers only get touchy with console gamers because certain things, they usually exaggerate to justify why they choose consoles. As if the way Windows works hasn't progressed since we had to do everything manually way back. If people want to console game, that's fine, but no need to exaggerate how complex the PC is. Of course people have problems, and I admit, to a newbie, they won't learn how to get the best out of Windows for a while. There are way too many options because it has to be many things to many people. But like consoles now, after that first time set up, it is pretty much plug and play and automatic for most of the stuff you'll need to do.

There WAS actual discussion here, but then people said 'we don't want mods', now we get the same threads over and over. This place used to be addictive.

Is your sound by Creative. I remember they're usually slow to fix and respond to things. Will MS do it? Idk.

In my experience with Nvidia drivers, they're stable more often than not. Could be the game. I haven't used an AMD cards for a while, but I hear more often about issues with those drivers.

Xbox One was a disappointment for me, got rid of mine last summer.

There are many 60fps games on current gen consoles and most 30fps ones run rock solid. If you want to adjust, go play some PS3/360 games first. Last gen games running at 25fps were common.

Historically, Creative is being par for the course. That's why I switched to onboard sound.

MS usually includes 3rd-party drivers that went though WHQL. With the exception of video drivers, I go with the WHQL ones: WiFi, printers, etc. Only the Nvidia card have drivers (video, OpenAL, Vulkan) that show up in my Programs and Features list.

Kinda like fire and forget. Once they're (Nvidia drivers) installed, I forget about them. I might remember to check 5, 6, or 7 updates later. I mean, if there's nothing wrong, why bother?

You can get used to 30 as long as it is consistent and the frames are paced correctly. You can't get used to fluctuations though... they are, by their very nature, inconsistent. The best you can do is simply not be bothered by it. But you won't ever stop noticing it.

Why not just keep playing TW3 on PC if it played perfectly? Why even bother with the XB1 version at all?

Virtual surround works fine on my SB ZxR.

You dont even need something like an A+ cert to be a happy pc gamer.

Some people are just lazy and technoloically illiterate. To say PCs are difficult.........holy christ....try 20 years ago.

Just like certain people build cars, others buy them, Some people cook food, other people buy premade.

I use Windows drivers for sound anyway, because my audio interface uses them. Yeah Windows update pretty much takes care of most things. I update my video drivers frequently, but I don't put effort in, Geforce Experience just lets me know and then I do it. Not a big deal.

I don't even use GeForce Experience. I stick with just the graphics driver, PhysX, and HDMI audio <---just in case I use my HDMI-DVI cable.

Oh, God. Here we go again. Just bought an rx 460 to tide me over for a year or two because this xbox one's fan is making an annoying ticking noise. I install it and load the witcher 3 and surprisingly, it plays the game better than my xbox one. lulz. I go out and come back two hours later to restart the game and it will now only start minimized, after windows installed some goofy little update. I can see it in the taskbar, but can't bring it to the forefront. Cant open task manager and click "bring to front". Spent 20 minutes online only to find out that I have to change fullscreen from 2 to 1 in the user settings file.

Yeah, PC gaming is soooo hassle free. It's stupid shit like this that enrages me about pc gaming.

don't worry after a little while your brain gets used to the peasantry

There's absolutely no point in regularly updating GPU drivers if your PC is running fine. I only ever update when they include new software or optimisations for a game I've just bought. Dishonored 2 was the last time for me.

60Hz is actually really low when you compare to frame rates of older PC games. The minimum I ran old games was 75Hz on CRT, more as soon I could get a monitor with higher refresh rates. By the time I swapped to a flat screen monitor I was gaming at 120Hz on CRT.