Advantages of consoles over Pc

most people already have things like a couch and a god damn floor lol. Lots of people are using their monitors on current gen consoles, hdtv's are a thing of the past. When building a pc you start from scratch. You can't use a crappy gpu/psu/case/mobo that is inside your $350 computer from walmart, you have to buy those things. A pc will cost you way more and i said PC, not a f*cking couch lol

Lol. What a ridiculous pile of nonsense.

Anyway, both consoles and PC have the exact same display options, so that's a non issue. I played my 360 on a monitor in college, and I play my gaming PC on a TV these days.

This is startup cost, it's the only accurate way to gauge the cost of what these things will actually run you to get what you need to take advantage of them properly. Assuming what people have or don't have will never give you an accurate figure. If you're starting from absolute zero they end up costing nearly the same to get started, so as I said before that perceived value that a console saves you is an illusion.

HDTV's are a thing of the past? How on Earth do you figure that...

I got my tower for 79USD and it's probably one of the best air cooling towers, it also came with 6 fans. (Corsair Air 540)

My PC build did cost me 1400USD last year but it contains high grade quality parts while consoles use low quality parts.

Also my PC is around 6 times the power of the PS4 and sometimes even better than that.

Now if I wanted to make a cheap build I could do so for around 380-420USD and it would have an intel quad core and a 7950 so it would be better than a PS4.

The reason I could build such a cheap rig and still get a lot better performance than consoles is because I can buy used on Ebay or Amazon.

You can get an i5 750 for 45-50USD and a Cooler Master Hyper 212 CPU heatsink for 25USD then overclock the i5 to 3.6ghz for decent enough performance.

And you can also get a 7950 for around 120-140USD.

And as the years go by the higher end parts will be even cheaper.

People keep on repeating this but it just ain't so.

It pretty much is.

Most multiplayer games have forsaken it for online play.

We have the same case, woop woop!

that's buying used parts... you can also buy a used ps4 for way under $400. And what's the point of building a "cheap" pc that is just 'better' (not much of an achievements knowing how weak current gen is) than ps4? If you spend money and time, you better build one that shreks both consoles and its not a $400 build that will get you that.

@nyadc said:

@RyviusARC said:

@silversix_ said:

@nyadc: who the hell includes a tv, chair, couch, desk etc? Come on... A 'good' gaming pc with a solid $100-130 tower (one with actual airflow, unless you're into cooking stuff on it), 1tb hdd, $70 ssd etc will cost around $800. Ps4 is $450 with ps+. This is the consoles advantage.

I got my tower for 79USD and it's probably one of the best air cooling towers, it also came with 6 fans. (Corsair Air 540)

My PC build did cost me 1400USD last year but it contains high grade quality parts while consoles use low quality parts.

Also my PC is around 6 times the power of the PS4 and sometimes even better than that.

Now if I wanted to make a cheap build I could do so for around 380-420USD and it would have an intel quad core and a 7950 so it would be better than a PS4.

The reason I could build such a cheap rig and still get a lot better performance than consoles is because I can buy used on Ebay or Amazon.

You can get an i5 750 for 45-50USD and a Cooler Master Hyper 212 CPU heatsink for 25USD then overclock the i5 to 3.6ghz for decent enough performance.

And you can also get a 7950 for around 120-140USD.

And as the years go by the higher end parts will be even cheaper.

We have the same case, woop woop!

Hey Air 540 bro!

Nope. Some games are online only, there are still dozens of current gen (and hundreds of last gen) split screen games worth playing. Diablo 3 co-op is the most fun I've had on PS4 so far.

@RyviusARC said:

@nyadc said:

We have the same case, woop woop!

Hey Air 540 bro!

Air 540 Master Race.

Figure pulled directly from the arse.

A 7950 can easily be overclock to perform like a 7970 or better so it will already be around twice the power of the PS4.

And that is with only around 400USD for the PC build.

I think there are people here with weaker PCs than that and they are probably satisfied with what they have.

Of course the great thing about computers is you can choose your budget.

Name some of those AAA current gen games that offer split screen gaming.

Diablo is last gen.

There's not many, I was really upset when I found out that Forza Horizon 2 did not have local MP, it would have been perfect...

Loss its advantages when it tries to be PC like. :P

Lol. You went from "games don't have local multiplayer" to "AAA current gen games don't have local multiplayer". Keep your made up restrictions.

Let's not pretend that one of the biggest games companies in the world (Blizzard) bringing one of their biggest and best games to the current gen consoles with 4 player local play is meaningless, k?

That is not true for everyone, for me PC gaming is 10 times more convenient than consoles.

That's where your argument is very flawed because you are bringing up people's tastes and preferences. I'm talking about what PC gaming and console gaming can offer irregardless of what certain people like you prefer and in terms of both quality and quantity, PC gaming is superior. A gamer with a specific taste would prefer a console if he only plays Japanese games but that doesn't change the facts on how much PC gaming can offer to a person. It's typical for people to use subjectivity to defend products that offer less.

Objectively and disregarding people's tastes and preferences, PC gaming has a lot more to offer than console gaming. It's a fact.

That is one game and it's from last gen not current gen.

Sure early to mid last gen had a bunch of split screen co op games but the further it went on the less you would see those types of games getting released.

Now in current gen you mainly see those types of games from indie developers but from the main higher budget games they are pretty much dead.

Console gaming today I reckon is about as inconvenient as it gets. Granted it got a little better with the PS4 but having to wait an hour for an update to play your game is not what I call "convenient".

And still holds truth based on every single console/pc thread in this forum.

Nope. That's completely false.

You say it ended after mid gen? Well lets look from the start of 2011 to present (4 and a bit years) and see what split screen games we got on 360:

Halo 4, yearly COD, Gears 3 and Gears Judgement, Far Cry 3, Portal 2, FEAR3, RAGE, Resident Evil 6 and Revelations, Ghost Recon Future Soldier, Splinter Cell Blacklist, Borderlands 2 and the Presequel, Diablo 3, Earth Defense Force, Rayman Origins and Rayman Legends, wrestling/UFC/sports titles annually, every music game, every fighting game (Street Fighter X Tekken, Mortal Kombat), most racing games (F1 series, Forza 4, Sega Karting), along with your kid friendly stuff like the tons of Lego games, Skylanders, Disney, De Blob 2, Epic Mickey 2, etc. and some lesser reviewed but popular games like Dynasty Warriors, Army Of Two, etc, if you are into that. (I play Army Of Two games very drunk, they're good fun then!)

I won't waste either of our time trying to list the XBLA games, suffice to say, many of the platformers and adventure games on there have 2 to 4 player local play.

Split screen is emphatically NOT dead. There are some series that have large online multiplayer worlds that are either technically impossible or would not be fun in split screen (GTA, Forza Horizon, Battlefield spring to mind) but most games at least try to include it, if it makes sense. There will be dozens of great local play games this gen on consoles, I'm sure people will keep repeating the lie that it's dead though.

Solution: just don't connect to the internet. You might miss bug fix updates or whatever but if you just want to play, go ahead.

It did lessen over time though and this current gen doesn't have many that are not indie games.

Although I don't really care about split screen to begin with because all my friends and I are adults who work a lot and don't want to waste the time to drive to each others' houses.

Instead it's more convenient to play online and we can do it with games that originally don't support online as well.

Doesn't work. New games require new updates.

It did not lessen. The massive list of late gen games I provided (when it was in decline, according to you!) proves otherwise. Many more game series added it as the gen went on (FEAR, Resi, Lost Planet, Dead Space, various Tom Clancy games, Far Cry, Portal), entire new franchises were created based on it's concept (Army Of Two), there's even lots of RPGs (Fable series, Sacred, etc) that have it too.

You clearly don't care because you are just lazily repeating the lie that it lessened or is "dead". If you care, as I do, you would know the facts: that dozens of great split screen games from the biggest and best developers in the world are regularly released for consoles. That will continue this gen.

I'm going to ignore your implied insults and superiority at the end. It's just sour grapes, because you are clearly wrong about this issue, so you try to dismiss it's importance. Split screen is fantastic fun and a massive advantage for consoles over PC, fact.

So the game won't function offline? Seems unlikely. That's what MS got crucified for, and what they needed to backtrack on, the online requirement.

I don't turn on the ps4 that often. When I bought GTAV it needed new updates.

Yes, games update, but they can't update if they aren't online. Am I missing something here? Just play the game without the update.

Maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure. I've had it offline. It is a chain of updates I believe....maybe? What I'm saying is that I've had the machine offline before and I've had issues with firmware/software updates. Don't some 3ds games carry new updates on the card, system wise? Maybe it is like that? Update for one thing and every past thing and future thing needs an update.

Exclusives, they're easier to setup (no need for m&kb, just grab a controller) that's about it. I can have local multiplayer on mah PC too btw.

So full of BS plain and simple.

I dont have to install or wait an hour to play Wii U games, and it happened maybe once or twice on PS4. And it wasnt an hour long update.

So, what exactly are you talking about?

None, really.

10 years ago I would've told you the advantage of console gaming was being able to fire up your console, pop in your game and play immediately.

But with all of the updates and patches on consoles now...there really is no advantage.

I will try and give my two cents, in quiet and peaceful manner. This is my opinion and preference. I own both gaming PC and Console (PS4) and I have have both gaming machines since the Sega Genesis days working in harmony.

Points towards the console:

- Other then occasional patch which I don't find being a problem, you put the disk in (or digital) and you're set to play. No need for troubleshooting, compatibility problems which happen sometimes. Basically easy plug and play.

- I can finish the game and get a decent value back towards the other game. In general, being able to trade in you collection equals money saved at least in theory.

- While the PC is perfectly capable to connect to the TV, I don't feel going through the trouble. The console doubles as a couch potato (-_-) and multimedia machine, from blasting music to netflix to latest movie rentals digitally in a few seconds with streaming. It feels natural, easy of use and quick.

- No need for upgrades, coding is done to use the available machine resources (at least in exclusive titles) for the next 6-8 years. That means better looking games each year and you don't need to spend any extra money during that time. While I have no issues fiddling with my computer parts, for majority of gamers its a different perspective not to mention a good PC does cost double and triple of current console price point.

- This one is personal preference, console exclusives. PC has its own and the argument is valid. It's a 50/50 preference.

- Another personal preference - I find the controller to be more comfortable and while it's not as precise to the mouse counterpart it works well in all games except RTS titles which are rare on console anyway.

That's all I can think for now.

1. DirectX12 may very well make hte point about optimization null. Or at the very least, heavily minimize it.
2. Local multiplayer exists on PC too, not as common as it is on consoles. But even on consoles, it seems like local multiplayer gets less and less common.
3. If you know where to buy PC games, you can get new copies for prices lower than second hand console games. Of course, unless, people learn to look for games outside Steam(ing turd) store. People are bound to not find them.
4. PC gaming has far superior exclusives to consoles. But I will admit this is, as far as I am concerned, the only reason to own a console, and as it happens, the Wii U is the only stationary console with more than 1 exclusive that I want. (PS4 Has bloodborne and the XBone has nothing)
5. Laptops, gaming laptops can be pretty damn powerful.
6. PC hardware varies heavily, so I agree, it is heavily debatable. The very competitive nature on PC hardware (whereas Sony has a monopoly on PS4 hardware and Nintendo has a monopoly on Wii U hardware) does result in some very cheap hardware, but only if you know where to look.

Edit: One advantage console gaming may have is if your friends have a console and not a PC. However, here in Sweden, nearly every gamer has a gaming PC. And consoles are mostly just machines for that occasional exclusive.

.. A Alienware Alpha can be had on Amazon right now for $450.. It not only provides better performance and visuals but is a full range pc on top of that.. This really isn't the case any more, especially when steam boxes officially release and we begin seeing more affordable better performing machines down the road.. Especially with the jump to DirectX 12.. Furthermore outside from a few games now, local multiplayer is dieing out unfortunately with many developers.

Except you can get a Alienware Alpha.. That will play games as good as if not better than current gen consoles.. Is fully backwards compatible with pc games, is a actual pc.. And is selling currently for as little as $450 on amazon.. And that is just a first gen steam machine... With a older architecture video card.

ALIENWARE.

And? Read reviews on it...

It isn't full of bs. The static 5ish year life cycle of consoles promotes a healthier game development cycle. Console gamers pay a premium here and there but it isn't only for the hardware and software side of things. There money that circles around R&D. This evolves from feedback, along with sales and trends. The controller. The controller has evolved because of console gamers. Not just design wise, but quality wise as well. What controllers do pc gamers use with their machines? Probably a console controller. Street Fighter 4 threw the premium joystick into the mix. Available before, but nowhere near the market it is today. Companies now see that they can develop high end product that consumer will buy, on a massive scale.

Nintendo is a good example of this as people spew out lines like, "Wiiu isn't worth $300". Well, you aren't only paying for that. You are essentially supporting Nintendos design ideology. Nintendo would not survive without its hardware. Or perhaps they could but just about every major release would put the company in a state of panic.

PC does not offer such things.

Game development cycles are only healthier when developers take the time and effort for new ideas. New hardware helps promote creative changes however in the current mentally of gaming namely multiplatforming, DLC and play it safe designs and ideas. Many things even with the new set of consoles have stayed static.

Controllers haven't fundamentally changed since 1997, with Dual Analog designs. The example of SF4 joystick is nothing new, in 1996 namco made joysticks for PS1, Let alone back in the 80's with consoles.

Nintendo is the only current console company actually trying new ideas to make itself different from the others.

But to suggest "Console gamers pay a premium here and there but it isn't only for the hardware and software side of things."

That is no longer true, they really pay for the the illusion of simplicity and ease to play games.... and that argument, is getting outdated. Last two gens have exploded with Buggy/unfinished games, need for patches/updates, installing games, hardware failures, poor hardware quality (ie PS4 battery) or even RROD with 360. More ways to milk gamers, DLC's, paywall's for online features etc.

The days of actual promoting positive changes and setting standards are over with introduction of these new consoles, borrowing pc standards, focusing on maximizing profits. Right now most things are hype and gimmicks trying to promote more sales.

@04dcarraher:

There are minute changes to controllers, etc. consoles allow for lengthier development, etc.

But I agree about Xbox and playstation. I even meant to include what you essentially said. These are two consoles out of how many though?

I'll be honest and list the advantage of Console Over PC:

Here they are,

The PC version of GTA5 at the lowest settings looks better than the 360/ps3 versions, a PC from 2006, meets the minimum requirements, therefore a PC from 2006 play gta5 BETTER than consoles...

My PC should be able to run it quite decently then? GTX 680, 8 gigs of ram, AMD Phenom II X4 at 3.8Ghz? The CPU is pretty damn old by now... :(

@locopatho:

FYI, NVIDIA GeForce 210 (16 CUDA processors) is based on GeForce 8500 GT (16 CUDA processors). You believed a model rename.

Dude, pls.

There's a difference between "i'm so used to it, i don't notice it" and "it's not there".

9.5 times out of 10 it's there, so you're safe going with that every time you talk about it.

the biggest advantage consoles have over pc are the majority of games being released in a far more polished state. the number of games that ship in a broken state probably account for <10% of all console titles. the number of games that ship on pc in a broken state probably account for >90% of all titles.