After TLOU can we all agree that Naughty Dog is the best developer this gen

after From Soft?

These guys made 2 monstrous franchises THIS GENERATION ALONE, Uncharted and The Last of Us. No other developer can make such claim other than From Soft who made critical hits Demon's Souls and Dark Souls back to back

I'd say they're in the top 3

If we're going by critical acclaim, yeah sure, why not.

Personally they haven't developed a game I wanted to play more than 2 hours of.

lol no.

their gameplay/AI SUCKS, plus they're always in the news for ripping people off and/or stealing.

Rockstar wins.

And here it comes in.. 3... 2... 1...lx_theo

They're in the top five, at least. I'd say Bioware, Rockstar, EAD Tokyo, and Blizzard all merit a spot on there too.

EDIT: Forgot about CD Projekt Red and From Software, both of whom arguably deserve a spot on there more than Blizzard. And hell, Platinum too.

TLOU is decent, but the actual game play and in game graphic are only decent. The cutscenese are the best though... i would say they rival pixar but when it comes to game play there are plenty of far better game developers.

An argument could be made for it, they're up there for sure.  Overall they've had excellent output this gen and TLOU was, imo, their best effort.  Between TLOU and Uncharted 2 they've cemented a position in the top 5.

Not in my top 5, but they're objectively great developers.

After The Last Of Flop? :lol:MonsieurX

lol no.

 

their gameplay/AI SUCKS, plus they're always in the news for ripping people off and/or stealing.

GrannyGoat

After The Last Of Flop? :lol:MonsieurX

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]After The Last Of Flop? :lol:heeweesRus

[QUOTE="GrannyGoat"]

lol no.

 

their gameplay/AI SUCKS, plus they're always in the news for ripping people off and/or stealing.

Sonysexual1

nice try m8, but with the last few days we've all seen the youtube videos of the pitiful gameplay and the AI that walk right by the player and don't notice. game is all hype.

Better developers this gen include

-Many of Nintendo's various and numerous Studios

-Sucker-Punch

-Rocksteady

-Rock Star

-Platinum games

-Ubisoft Montpillier

-insomniac

-Level 5

-Dimps

etc.

In other words, I disagree

Naughty Dog are easily among the best, but I still prefer Rockstar Games. I enjoyed both Uncharted 2 & 3, but I think that only TLOU was a masterpiece.

I'd always take open world sandbox games over linear games though, hence why I prefer Rockstar Games.

[QUOTE="heeweesRus"][QUOTE="MonsieurX"]After The Last Of Flop? :lol:MonsieurX

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="heeweesRus"]So you're gonna discredit them because of ONE review? heeweesRus

after that flop? 

[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"][QUOTE="GrannyGoat"]

lol no.

 

their gameplay/AI SUCKS, plus they're always in the news for ripping people off and/or stealing.

GrannyGoat

nice try m8, but with the last few days we've all seen the youtube videos of the pitiful gameplay and the AI that walk right by the player and don't notice. game is all hype.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="heeweesRus"]Umm no it isn't. ND has objectively made three 90+ scoring games on MC in a row. SW flopgame is irrelevant when determing which Devs are elite.heeweesRus

[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"][QUOTE="GrannyGoat"]

lol no.

 

their gameplay/AI SUCKS, plus they're always in the news for ripping people off and/or stealing.

GrannyGoat

nice try m8, but with the last few days we've all seen the youtube videos of the pitiful gameplay and the AI that walk right by the player and don't notice. game is all hype.

Any game with a stealth element can be made to look stupid.  All of them.  The more complex something becomes, the more things can go wrong.  TLOU tackles many facets of AI and overall does a good job.  Far from perfect, but very good given the ambition.  Designing for stealth and action with a partner AI is not easy to juggle.

Almost any game can be made to look terrible though.

[QUOTE="GrannyGoat"]

[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"] To be honest, I was quite impressed with the gameplay in TLOU. Unlike Gears of War, you can't shotgun your way to victory. Variety in weapon usage and movement/action is necessary. This makes the gameplay quite dynamic and has immense replay value. How you got through 1 section on the first playthrough is usually drastically different then how you'll do it in your 2nd playthrough. It's too bad Halo and Gears are mediocre trash. I really feel sorry for lembots that they don't have a 1st part studio that's even 1/2 as great as Naughty Dog. It must be frustrating.Sonysexual1

nice try m8, but with the last few days we've all seen the youtube videos of the pitiful gameplay and the AI that walk right by the player and don't notice. game is all hype.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="heeweesRus"]Do you have an actual argument or are you just gonna repeat that bs? heeweesRus

It's an on-rails, cut scene driven adventure game. 

Nothing interesting or new about the concept. That is was competitvely handled and included a story that was interesting and well told was a good thing, but that doesn't make them the best developers this gen. 

I'd put Irrational above them, and probably a few others.

Damn MonsieurX you are getting good a trolling idiots.

[QUOTE="GrannyGoat"]

[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"] To be honest, I was quite impressed with the gameplay in TLOU. Unlike Gears of War, you can't shotgun your way to victory. Variety in weapon usage and movement/action is necessary. This makes the gameplay quite dynamic and has immense replay value. How you got through 1 section on the first playthrough is usually drastically different then how you'll do it in your 2nd playthrough. It's too bad Halo and Gears are mediocre trash. I really feel sorry for lembots that they don't have a 1st part studio that's even 1/2 as great as Naughty Dog. It must be frustrating.Wiimotefan

nice try m8, but with the last few days we've all seen the youtube videos of the pitiful gameplay and the AI that walk right by the player and don't notice. game is all hype.

Any game with a stealth element can be made to look stupid.  All of them.  The more complex something becomes, the more things can go wrong.  TLOU tackles many facets of AI and overall does a good job.  Far from perfect, but very good given the ambition.  Designing for stealth and action with a partner AI is not easy to juggle.

Almost any game can be made to look terrible though.

lulz at ellie running right past the enemy and him not noticing

after From Soft?

These guys made 2 monstrous franchises THIS GENERATION ALONE, Uncharted and The Last of Us. No other developer can make such claim other than From Soft who made critical hits Demon's Souls and Dark Souls back to bacck

-Damien-

[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"][QUOTE="GrannyGoat"]

 

nice try m8, but with the last few days we've all seen the youtube videos of the pitiful gameplay and the AI that walk right by the player and don't notice. game is all hype.

GrannyGoat

If we're going by critical acclaim, yeah sure, why not.

Personally they haven't developed a game I wanted to play more than 2 hours of.

-Snooze-

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="heeweesRus"]How?heeweesRus

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

[QUOTE="GrannyGoat"]

 

nice try m8, but with the last few days we've all seen the youtube videos of the pitiful gameplay and the AI that walk right by the player and don't notice. game is all hype.

GrannyGoat

Any game with a stealth element can be made to look stupid.  All of them.  The more complex something becomes, the more things can go wrong.  TLOU tackles many facets of AI and overall does a good job.  Far from perfect, but very good given the ambition.  Designing for stealth and action with a partner AI is not easy to juggle.

Almost any game can be made to look terrible though.

lulz at ellie running right past the enemy and him not noticing

[QUOTE="GrannyGoat"]

[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"] To be honest, I was quite impressed with the gameplay in TLOU. Unlike Gears of War, you can't shotgun your way to victory. Variety in weapon usage and movement/action is necessary. This makes the gameplay quite dynamic and has immense replay value. How you got through 1 section on the first playthrough is usually drastically different then how you'll do it in your 2nd playthrough. It's too bad Halo and Gears are mediocre trash. I really feel sorry for lembots that they don't have a 1st part studio that's even 1/2 as great as Naughty Dog. It must be frustrating.Wiimotefan

nice try m8, but with the last few days we've all seen the youtube videos of the pitiful gameplay and the AI that walk right by the player and don't notice. game is all hype.

Any game with a stealth element can be made to look stupid.  All of them.  The more complex something becomes, the more things can go wrong.  TLOU tackles many facets of AI and overall does a good job.  Far from perfect, but very good given the ambition.  Designing for stealth and action with a partner AI is not easy to juggle.

Almost any game can be made to look terrible though.

[QUOTE="GrannyGoat"]

[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"] You sound mad that you don't have anything to play.Sonysexual1

bro - STATE OF DECAY, received an 8 as Last of Us did. will be coming to pc but as of now totally exclusive. u mad?

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

[QUOTE="GrannyGoat"]

 

nice try m8, but with the last few days we've all seen the youtube videos of the pitiful gameplay and the AI that walk right by the player and don't notice. game is all hype.

GrannyGoat

Any game with a stealth element can be made to look stupid.  All of them.  The more complex something becomes, the more things can go wrong.  TLOU tackles many facets of AI and overall does a good job.  Far from perfect, but very good given the ambition.  Designing for stealth and action with a partner AI is not easy to juggle.

Almost any game can be made to look terrible though.

lulz at ellie running right past the enemy and him not noticing

Awesome!  I'm guessing you didn't read my post then?

And here it comes in.. 3... 2... 1...lx_theo

lol no.

 

their gameplay/AI SUCKS, plus they're always in the news for ripping people off and/or stealing.

GrannyGoat

[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"][QUOTE="GrannyGoat"]lol I bet $100 my game library is way bigger than yours fools. Don't be mad you sucked into the hype for a game with horrible gameplay/AI. it happens, learn from your mistake and MOVE ON!!!!!!!!!

GrannyGoat

bro - STATE OF DECAY, received an 8 as Last of Us did. will be coming to pc but as of now totally exclusive. u mad?

[QUOTE="GrannyGoat"]

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

Any game with a stealth element can be made to look stupid.  All of them.  The more complex something becomes, the more things can go wrong.  TLOU tackles many facets of AI and overall does a good job.  Far from perfect, but very good given the ambition.  Designing for stealth and action with a partner AI is not easy to juggle.

Almost any game can be made to look terrible though.

Sonysexual1

lulz at ellie running right past the enemy and him not noticing

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

[QUOTE="GrannyGoat"]

 

nice try m8, but with the last few days we've all seen the youtube videos of the pitiful gameplay and the AI that walk right by the player and don't notice. game is all hype.

savagetwinkie

Any game with a stealth element can be made to look stupid.  All of them.  The more complex something becomes, the more things can go wrong.  TLOU tackles many facets of AI and overall does a good job.  Far from perfect, but very good given the ambition.  Designing for stealth and action with a partner AI is not easy to juggle.

Almost any game can be made to look terrible though.

Meh.. I've seen much worse from highly praised games.  People still treat MGS4 as godly even though the AI is considerably worse than any TLOU examples I've seen.