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#101 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

So Gran Turismo 5 in 3D is only 720p???????????????????????????????

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Rikusaki

Yep, isn't that a shame? I heard some games will be sub HD to even do 3D!

You guys DO realize that everything has to be rendered twice to accomplish stereoscopic 3D?

Yep, and that's why PS3 games in 3D will reach sub HD like 600 some p to be playable, tell that to the fanboys who think it can do 1080p naturally.

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#102 Timstuff
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This doesn't affect me since I don't even have a 3D television.
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#103 windsquid9000
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[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Yep, isn't that a shame? I heard some games will be sub HD to even do 3D!

mitu123

You guys DO realize that everything has to be rendered twice to accomplish stereoscopic 3D?

Yep, and that's why PS3 game sin 3D will reach sub HD like 600 some p to be playable, tell that to the fanboys who think it can do 1080p naturally.

Crytek's method only requires the scene to be rendered once and has almost no performance impact. I wonder if the same was done with the 3DS as it doesn't make sense to lock away half of a system's power for an optional feature.
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#104 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

The PS3 isn't as powerful as I thought it was after all...

stereointegrity

its more of a hardware limitation with hdmi 1.3 not handle dual 1080p signals.....

Even if it can display it in 1080p, the game will have to lower it's res to be playable, definitely graphically heavy games like Killzone 3.

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#105 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"] You guys DO realize that everything has to be rendered twice to accomplish stereoscopic 3D?windsquid9000

Yep, and that's why PS3 game sin 3D will reach sub HD like 600 some p to be playable, tell that to the fanboys who think it can do 1080p naturally.

Crytek's method only requires the scene to be rendered once and has almost no performance impact. I wonder if the same was done with the 3DS as it doesn't make sense to lock away half of a system's power for an optional feature.

I hope devs learn from Crytek, though something will happen.

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#106 Timstuff
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They should have given Killzone 3 offline multiplayer instead of wasting money on adding a 3D mode that only a few thousand people will even be able to use.
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#107 67gt500
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Considering that nearly all of the non-3D games on PS3 are only 720p, I don't see how this is newsworthy...
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#108 bizzy420
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Yep, isn't that a shame? I heard some games will be sub HD to even do 3D!

You guys DO realize that everything has to be rendered twice to accomplish stereoscopic 3D?

Yep, and that's why PS3 games in 3D will reach sub HD like 600 some p to be playable, tell that to the fanboys who think it can do 1080p naturally.

non 3d games are doing that already, like alan wake, halo 3, and mgs.
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#109 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"] You guys DO realize that everything has to be rendered twice to accomplish stereoscopic 3D?bizzy420

Yep, and that's why PS3 games in 3D will reach sub HD like 600 some p to be playable, tell that to the fanboys who think it can do 1080p naturally.

non 3d games are doing that already, like alan wake, halo 3, and mgs.

That's on the devs, those aren't the best looking games on their systems, except for Alan Wake, though that game was at 720p with 2xAA and went to 540p with 4xAA due to addition graphical effects.

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#110 imprezawrx500
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if you want 1080p get a pc, consoles lack power for full hd.
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#111 imprezawrx500
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for all the people who care that much about being only 720p they can just go play another system in 3d then.......oh wait there isnt any other one.

BTBAM127
lol pc has had it in most games for many years.
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#112 NielsNL
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Aren't most games 720p anyway? Anyone who makes a big deal out of this is obviously a big lemming fanboy.

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#113 Fabolous206
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i played motor-storm in 3D today and it was amazing and i was completely blown away....

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#114 Riverwolf007
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don't care and also i am way more excited about 3d than motion controls. i have not bought the glasses that go with my tv because of lack of software but as soon as the 3d lineup expands a bit i am there.

seriously folks as soon as you see it you will be sold.

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#115 IWKYB
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True 3D is not here yet. We still use image "deception" and glasses. Not like Back in the Future 2 Jaws...:D

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#116 mitu123
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True 3D is not here yet. We still use image "deception" and glasses. Not like Back in the Future 2 Jaws...:D

IWKYB

Jaws 3 sucked because of the 3D, the main selling point of the movie.:lol:

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#117 KingsMessenger
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Of course it is.... HDMI 1.3 is bandwidth limited. 1080p 3D footage would be limited to 24Hz, fine for movies, horrible for games.

I was saying this when Sony announced 3D...

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#118 Dynafrom
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3d is overrated, I mean look at this:

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#119 ronvalencia
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Of course it is.... HDMI 1.3 is bandwidth limited. 1080p 3D footage would be limited to 24Hz, fine for movies, horrible for games.

I was saying this when Sony announced 3D...

KingsMessenger

Maximum video throughput for HDMI 1.3 and 1.4 is 8.16 Gbit/s.

HDMI 1.4 can support a display resolution like 3840×2160p at 24Hz/25Hz/30Hz. For 3D, you need two 1920x1080p frame.

Like to see CELL+RSX combo beating GPU monsters like Geforce 460/470/480 or Radeon HD 5850/5870/5970 in raster rendering (i.e. hint: count GPU's raster units)...

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#120 lion640
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oh well most games are displayed in 720p anyway. i probably wont get a 3D tv though
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#121 ronvalencia
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True 3D is not here yet. We still use image "deception" and glasses. Not like Back in the Future 2 Jaws...:D

IWKYB

A normal human has two eyes therefore two pictures are required. Star Trek's Holodeck is for a proper look'n'feel.

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#122 hakanakumono
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[QUOTE="SilverChimera"].[QUOTE="mitu123"]

The PS3 isn't as powerful as I thought it was after all...

mitu123

The Cell is surely more powerful than you thought it was :| :P

It can't do 3D in 1080p.:lol:(I get what you're saying though.:P)

Most games aren't 1080p anyways. Not even FFXIII.

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#123 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"] The Cell is surely more powerful than you thought it was :| :Phakanakumono

It can't do 3D in 1080p.:lol:(I get what you're saying though.:P)

Most games aren't 1080p anyways. Not even FFXIII.

But going by Sony's PR, they should be...

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#124 hakanakumono
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[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] It can't do 3D in 1080p.:lol:(I get what you're saying though.:P)

mitu123

Most games aren't 1080p anyways. Not even FFXIII.

But going by Sony's PR, they should be...

Here's your problem.

But I don't remember Sony saying all of their games would be 1080p.

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#125 DethSkematik
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Does it matter? I mean, most PS3 games are native in 720p anyway (at least on my TV) :P. Either way, that won't stop the games from looking good. I mean from what I remember, MGS 4, Halo 3 and a bunch of other games weren't exactly HD but still looked gorgeous :D.
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#126 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Most games aren't 1080p anyways. Not even FFXIII.

hakanakumono

But going by Sony's PR, they should be...

Here's your problem.

But I don't remember Sony saying all of their games would be 1080p.

They said that in 2006...

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#127 MoonMarvel
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No. My TV only goes to 720.
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#128 hakanakumono
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[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] But going by Sony's PR, they should be...

mitu123

Here's your problem.

But I don't remember Sony saying all of their games would be 1080p.

They said that in 2006...

They said that all of their games were going to be 1080p? Really?

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#129 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Here's your problem.

But I don't remember Sony saying all of their games would be 1080p.

hakanakumono

They said that in 2006...

They said that all of their games were going to be 1080p? Really?

And 120 FPS with 4D...yep, all that is PR, that's why people made fun of Sony.:P

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#130 TintedEyes
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[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] They said that in 2006...

mitu123

They said that all of their games were going to be 1080p? Really?

And 120 FPS with 4D...yep, all that is PR, that's why people made fun of Sony.:P

no they didnt say all games, prove it
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#131 xX-Incubus-Xx
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I love how there are always a ton of people.. oh the ps3 has a tiny bit more resolution! it looks a tiny bit better, but then this news comes out and suddenly that stuff doesn't matter.. chuckle. I mean, it doesn't matter, still funny tho. fastr
I think people are just giving the PS3 a break here considering rendering 2 seperate 720p images take a fasntastic amount of power as is. Just like people are saying the 3ds would look better then PS2 if it wasn't trying to project the same image twice. Why should nintendos console get a break but sonys shouldn't?

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#132 badtaker
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"] The Cell is surely more powerful than you thought it was :| :PSilverChimera

It can't do 3D in 1080p.:lol:(I get what you're saying though.:P)

I wonder if the 360 can show Skittles the Tiger in full 1080p. That'd be hardcore 8)

but sextoy would be useful for some PS3 gamers in other ways :P
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#133 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

They said that all of their games were going to be 1080p? Really?

TintedEyes

And 120 FPS with 4D...yep, all that is PR, that's why people made fun of Sony.:P

no they didnt say all games, prove it

I feel old for doing this:

4D

120 FPS

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#134 painguy1
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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="mitu123"] And 120 FPS with 4D...yep, all that is PR, that's why people made fun of Sony.:P

mitu123

no they didnt say all games, prove it

I feel old for doing this:

4D

120 FPS

dont forget about outputting 1080p via two HDMI ports AT THE SAME TIME!!!!!!!!!! :P

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#135 Episode_Eve
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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="mitu123"] And 120 FPS with 4D...yep, all that is PR, that's why people made fun of Sony.:P

mitu123

no they didnt say all games, prove it

I feel old for doing this:

4D

120 FPS

I don't see where it says all games will support 4D and 120fps. Just that the PS3 is capable of such feats. Now, how these features are actually implemented is another thing.

What I think is nice is that the PS3 is even capable of displaying 3D (capped at 720p isn't a problem either since that's the standard resolution for console games in general), even though it won't be as good as PC.

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#136 bizzy420
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="bizzy420"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Yep, and that's why PS3 games in 3D will reach sub HD like 600 some p to be playable, tell that to the fanboys who think it can do 1080p naturally.

non 3d games are doing that already, like alan wake, halo 3, and mgs.

That's on the devs, those aren't the best looking games on their systems, except for Alan Wake, though that game was at 720p with 2xAA and went to 540p with 4xAA due to addition graphical effects.

uhhh ok i know alan wake is sub hd, thats why i said it. some games arent even 720p in 2d, so why expect games in 3d to be?
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#137 omho88
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[QUOTE="bizzy420"][QUOTE="mitu123"]

non 3d games are doing that already, like alan wake, halo 3, and mgs. bizzy420
That's on the devs, those aren't the best looking games on their systems, except for Alan Wake, though that game was at 720p with 2xAA and went to 540p with 4xAA due to addition graphical effects.

uhhh ok i know alan wake is sub hd, thats why i said it. some games arent even 720p in 2d, so why expect games in 3d to be?

coz of the Cell :D .
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#138 Elian2530
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Not a single game this generation runs at 1080p or look 1080p as they claim anyways... so why would anyone care? A lot of games do not even run at 720p. Heavy hitters like MGS4 do not even run at 720p and it looks gorgeous. Eh...old news..
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#139 ShadowriverUB
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[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] They said that in 2006...

mitu123

They said that all of their games were going to be 1080p? Really?

And 120 FPS with 4D...yep, all that is PR, that's why people made fun of Sony.:P

120 FPS is possible even on old PC :)

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#140 killab2oo5
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Not a single game this generation runs at 1080p or look 1080p as they claim anyways...Elian2530
Negatory. Refer HERE to see how wrong you are.

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#141 fifamessi
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isnt uncharted 2 720? lol if so, no problem, uncharted 2 is best looking console game out there
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#142 clyde46
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I think I only saw one poster that actually has his head on straight. To do 3D, you need to produce of the same images. Now there weas an interview with the Motorstorm dev where he said.

"We are trying to get the game to run well in 1080p, before we try 3D, if we can get the game to run well in 1080p for 2D then going 3D wont be issue".

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#143 FIipMode
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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="mitu123"] And 120 FPS with 4D...yep, all that is PR, that's why people made fun of Sony.:P

mitu123

no they didnt say all games, prove it

I feel old for doing this:

4D

120 FPS

Not seeing where they said all games will do that.
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#144 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] no they didnt say all games, prove itFIipMode

I feel old for doing this:

4D

120 FPS

Not seeing where they said all games will do that.

It was always a lie to begin with, just marketing hype. I hope you didn't think all games would do it, I didn't believe it for one second.

Why did people make fun of Sony before 2008? Exactly, I was there too.

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#145 hamzah1235
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="windsquid9000"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Yep, and that's why PS3 game sin 3D will reach sub HD like 600 some p to be playable, tell that to the fanboys who think it can do 1080p naturally.

Crytek's method only requires the scene to be rendered once and has almost no performance impact. I wonder if the same was done with the 3DS as it doesn't make sense to lock away half of a system's power for an optional feature.

I hope devs learn from Crytek, though something will happen.

Crytek's method actually only displays Crysis 2 on consoles' 3D for 80% of the time you play after you reach a certain play time
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#146 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] no they didnt say all games, prove itpainguy1

I feel old for doing this:

4D

120 FPS

dont forget about outputting 1080p via two HDMI ports AT THE SAME TIME!!!!!!!!!! :P

Ha, it feels like 2006 again.:D

I remember that perfectly. And don't forget 7 controller support too!:lol:

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#147 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="bizzy420"] non 3d games are doing that already, like alan wake, halo 3, and mgs. bizzy420

That's on the devs, those aren't the best looking games on their systems, except for Alan Wake, though that game was at 720p with 2xAA and went to 540p with 4xAA due to addition graphical effects.

uhhh ok i know alan wake is sub hd, thats why i said it. some games arent even 720p in 2d, so why expect games in 3d to be?

Because we thought the PS3 was very powerful.

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#148 FIipMode
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[QUOTE="FIipMode"][QUOTE="mitu123"] I feel old for doing this:

4D

120 FPS

mitu123

Not seeing where they said all games will do that.

It was always a lie to begin with, just marketing hype. I hope you didn't think all games would do it, I didn't believe it for one second.

Why did people make fun of Sony before 2008? Exactly, I was there too.

I'm not one to believe marketing PR, but I'm just clearing up that they never said all games, but hey at least they got 120fps done.
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#149 zero_snake99
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[QUOTE="painguy1"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] I feel old for doing this:

4D

120 FPS

mitu123

dont forget about outputting 1080p via two HDMI ports AT THE SAME TIME!!!!!!!!!! :P

Ha, it feels like 2006 again.:D

I remember that perfectly. And don't forget 7 controller support too!:lol:

There is 7 controller support... it's just not everyone uses it.

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#150 asylumni
Member since 2003 • 3304 Posts

[QUOTE="FIipMode"][QUOTE="mitu123"] I feel old for doing this:

4D

120 FPS

mitu123

Not seeing where they said all games will do that.

It was always a lie to begin with, just marketing hype. I hope you didn't think all games would do it, I didn't believe it for one second.

Why did people make fun of Sony before 2008? Exactly, I was there too.

The only one lying here is you. You claim Sony said all games would be 1080p, and they didn't. You criticize their use of the term 4D out of context and claim the PS3 could not achieve what they say it could, but it can. And hey, I've got a link for 120 fps;

HERE

Of particular note is this part,

"Never mind that even newer TVs aren't capable of refreshing the screen 120 times in a single second. Kutaragi said that when new technology comes to market, he hopes to have the PS3 ready to take advantage of it."

Hardly a guarantee for every game like you seem to be saying, and with 3D, it's ready to take advantage of those 120Hz displays. Not to mention the fact that none of these were mentioned together or ever implied to be done together.