All but official, Bungie breaks away from Microsoft Game Studios

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]... if you follow it back to the original source its some random blog. there people claiming to have been told by their friends and bungie is owned by ms.naughtydog360

HERE IS MORE PROOF

http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/NewsCom-71551.aspx

heres the original source

ms owns bungie. someone else has to buy them from ms or bungie has to buy themselves back from ms. they cant just leave. its not possible.

[QUOTE="naughtydog360"]

[QUOTE="mwa"]MS owns bungie. bungie can't "leave" unless MS decides to sell them off, and i really don't see that happening. sure the development team could leave for other jobs, but bungie studios itself can't "leave" since MS owns them 100%mwa

Do you have a masters in business ? Banking and finance.. ..

Bungie as a whole can leave M$ whenever they want, all they gota do is QUIT.. and redo the company. Its pretty obvious why bungie ( IF ) wants to leave M$, microsft is probebly giving Bungie a smaller cut than they deserve on Halo 3.. Microsoft is ripping them off. If they leave, that woudnt happen, and they woudnt be forced into developing only Halo games :S

Bungie can leave anytime they like, just like ever studios and developers .. ( research before posting ). For Example, most of warhawk developers left, there are 6 developers left for warhawk.. there were 100 a year ago, where did they go ? they left Sony and joined David jeff ( developer of God of war ) in the new studio they call "Eat,sleep, play, and rest".

Everything is possible..

do you have basic 3rd grade reading comprehension? read before you post. i clearly stated that the members of the team can leave for other jobs if they want, but bungie studios (e.g. the entity itself) cannot be taken independent as it is wholly owned by MS. and sorry to inform you but i do work in investment banking. what about you?

What im trying to say, is it possible for all Bungie employees to leave Bungie and Start a new Company ?

"All but confirmed"

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[QUOTE="shoeman12"]... if you follow it back to the original source its some random blog. there people claiming to have been told by their friends and bungie is owned by ms.naughtydog360

HERE IS MORE PROOF

http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/NewsCom-71551.aspx

Those rumors surrounding a Bungie departure from Microsoft sure sound fishy, so Kotaku got in touch with some folks who might know a thing or two about it. Kotaku were hoping for either a "Yes, it's true. You'll find the details of the settlement in the attached PDF" or "Of course it's not true. Don't be ridiculous." Instead they got a double barrel blast of non-confirmation.

The response from a Bungie source? "Talk to your Edelman rep."

The response from Edelman, Microsoft's PR firm? "There's been no such announcement. We continue to celebrate the tremendous success of the global phenomenon that is Halo 3." Kotaku

The response from a Bungie source? "Talk to your Edelman rep." Why didnt Bungie just say it? Are they afraid? Did Microsoft told them to stay quiet?

Maybe they dont want to answer dumb questions that originated on a forum starting with something like "someone close to my friend."

[QUOTE="mismajor99"]

PC, PS3, and Wii here Bungie Comes, while Halo is obviously MS's owned IP. Maybe the next Marathon? Who knows....

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7342&Itemid=9

-DarthVader-

thing thats funny is bungie sucked before halo and will suck after halo.

Oni :lol: lemming i wouldn't be worried if bungie left.

Hardly, Bungie created Marathon series and the Myth series long before being bought out by Microsoft.

[QUOTE="naughtydog360"]

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]... if you follow it back to the original source its some random blog. there people claiming to have been told by their friends and bungie is owned by ms.shoeman12

HERE IS MORE PROOF

http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/NewsCom-71551.aspx

heres the original source

Heres my Source

http://kotaku.com/gaming/rumor/bungie-microsoft-tight+lipped-on-separation-rumors-305825.php

[QUOTE="mwa"]MS owns bungie. bungie can't "leave" unless MS decides to sell them off, and i really don't see that happening. sure the development team could leave for other jobs, but bungie studios itself can't "leave" since MS owns them 100%naughtydog360

Do you have a masters in business ? Banking and finance.. ..

Bungie as a whole can leave M$ whenever they want, all they gota do is QUIT.. and redo the company. Its pretty obvious why bungie ( IF ) wants to leave M$, microsft is probebly giving Bungie a smaller cut than they deserve on Halo 3.. Microsoft is ripping them off. If they leave, that woudnt happen, and they woudnt be forced into developing only Halo games :S

Bungie can leave anytime they like, just like ever studios and developers .. ( research before posting ). For Example, most of warhawk developers left, there are 6 developers left for warhawk.. there were 100 a year ago, where did they go ? they left Sony and joined David jeff ( developer of God of war ) in the new studio they call "Eat,sleep, play, and rest".

Everything is possible..

If Bungie as a whole is going to leave MS, 1st there would be more stuff about it, other than a bloggers friend of a friend, and 2nd they can start another company but is what the guy you quoted said. I am sure the whole Bungie taam will not leave MS. There would be news of it.

thing thats funny is bungie sucked before halo and will suck after halo.

Oni :lol: lemming i wouldn't be worried if bungie left.

-DarthVader-

Bungie doesn't suck, Myth is one of my fave RTS, and is what got me hyped about Halo; before it was coming on the X-box it was going to the PC/Mac as what was first a RTS.

[QUOTE="-DarthVader-"][QUOTE="mismajor99"]

PC, PS3, and Wii here Bungie Comes, while Halo is obviously MS's owned IP. Maybe the next Marathon? Who knows....

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7342&Itemid=9

thirstychainsaw

thing thats funny is bungie sucked before halo and will suck after halo.

Oni :lol: lemming i wouldn't be worried if bungie left.

What? Just because Bungie was a Mac developer doesn't mean you can just throw their other accomplishments out the window :|

Other accomplishments?

oni was on the ps2 and was one of the worst games ever made, their a one hit studio and if it wasn't for MS its putting money behind halo it would have been just another FPS.

[QUOTE="mwa"][QUOTE="naughtydog360"]

[QUOTE="mwa"]MS owns bungie. bungie can't "leave" unless MS decides to sell them off, and i really don't see that happening. sure the development team could leave for other jobs, but bungie studios itself can't "leave" since MS owns them 100%naughtydog360

Do you have a masters in business ? Banking and finance.. ..

Bungie as a whole can leave M$ whenever they want, all they gota do is QUIT.. and redo the company. Its pretty obvious why bungie ( IF ) wants to leave M$, microsft is probebly giving Bungie a smaller cut than they deserve on Halo 3.. Microsoft is ripping them off. If they leave, that woudnt happen, and they woudnt be forced into developing only Halo games :S

Bungie can leave anytime they like, just like ever studios and developers .. ( research before posting ). For Example, most of warhawk developers left, there are 6 developers left for warhawk.. there were 100 a year ago, where did they go ? they left Sony and joined David jeff ( developer of God of war ) in the new studio they call "Eat,sleep, play, and rest".

Everything is possible..

do you have basic 3rd grade reading comprehension? read before you post. i clearly stated that the members of the team can leave for other jobs if they want, but bungie studios (e.g. the entity itself) cannot be taken independent as it is wholly owned by MS. and sorry to inform you but i do work in investment banking. what about you?

What im trying to say, is it possible for all Bungie employees to leave Bungie and Start a new Company ?

yes it is and that's what i said in my post. the members of the team can all leave if they want, but bungie studios (e.g. the legal entity) and whatever IPs MS has contractual ownership of, stays in MS's hands

for example, blizzard is owned by vivendi. yes, the entire team can leave whenever they want, but blizzard entertainment (the legal entity) and whatever IPs vivendi contractually owns (probably licenses to the Warcraft franchise) remains in vivendi's hands even if the entire development team takes off.

Other accomplishments?

oni was on the ps2 and was one of the worst games ever made, their a one hit studio and if it wasn't for MS its putting money behind halo it would have been just another FPS.

-DarthVader-

The original Myth is listed as one of Gamespot's greatest games of all time. Guess who made it, that's right Bungie. If Microsoft wouldn't have bought them out than Halo would have been an RTS, much like Myth.

[QUOTE="naughtydog360"]

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]... if you follow it back to the original source its some random blog. there people claiming to have been told by their friends and bungie is owned by ms.thirstychainsaw

HERE IS MORE PROOF

http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/NewsCom-71551.aspx

Those rumors surrounding a Bungie departure from Microsoft sure sound fishy, so Kotaku got in touch with some folks who might know a thing or two about it. Kotaku were hoping for either a "Yes, it's true. You'll find the details of the settlement in the attached PDF" or "Of course it's not true. Don't be ridiculous." Instead they got a double barrel blast of non-confirmation.

The response from a Bungie source? "Talk to your Edelman rep."

The response from Edelman, Microsoft's PR firm? "There's been no such announcement. We continue to celebrate the tremendous success of the global phenomenon that is Halo 3." Kotaku

The response from a Bungie source? "Talk to your Edelman rep." Why didnt Bungie just say it? Are they afraid? Did Microsoft told them to stay quiet?

Maybe they dont want to answer dumb questions that originated on a forum starting with something like "someone close to my friend."

Then they would of said " Of course it's not true. Don't be ridiculous"..

But what did Bungie say ? " Talk to your Edelman rep. "

LOL

This means Halo 4 could be multiplat soon and the other Halo games will be ported to other systems. Further death of exclusive gaming.....Not good.DeathIsARight

Other accomplishments?

oni was on the ps2 and was one of the worst games ever made, their a one hit studio and if it wasn't for MS its putting money behind halo it would have been just another FPS.

-DarthVader-

You should Wikipedia Bungie.

[QUOTE="naughtydog360"][QUOTE="mwa"][QUOTE="naughtydog360"]

[QUOTE="mwa"]MS owns bungie. bungie can't "leave" unless MS decides to sell them off, and i really don't see that happening. sure the development team could leave for other jobs, but bungie studios itself can't "leave" since MS owns them 100%mwa

Do you have a masters in business ? Banking and finance.. ..

Bungie as a whole can leave M$ whenever they want, all they gota do is QUIT.. and redo the company. Its pretty obvious why bungie ( IF ) wants to leave M$, microsft is probebly giving Bungie a smaller cut than they deserve on Halo 3.. Microsoft is ripping them off. If they leave, that woudnt happen, and they woudnt be forced into developing only Halo games :S

Bungie can leave anytime they like, just like ever studios and developers .. ( research before posting ). For Example, most of warhawk developers left, there are 6 developers left for warhawk.. there were 100 a year ago, where did they go ? they left Sony and joined David jeff ( developer of God of war ) in the new studio they call "Eat,sleep, play, and rest".

Everything is possible..

do you have basic 3rd grade reading comprehension? read before you post. i clearly stated that the members of the team can leave for other jobs if they want, but bungie studios (e.g. the entity itself) cannot be taken independent as it is wholly owned by MS. and sorry to inform you but i do work in investment banking. what about you?

What im trying to say, is it possible for all Bungie employees to leave Bungie and Start a new Company ?

yes it is and that's what i said in my post. the members of the team can all leave if they want, but bungie studios (e.g. the legal entity) and whatever IPs MS has contractual ownership of, stays in MS's hands

for example, blizzard is owned by vivendi. yes, the entire team can leave whenever they want, but the blizzard entertainment (the legal entity) and whatever IPs vivendi contractually owns (probably licenses to the Warcraft franchise) remains in vivendi's hands even if the entire development team takes off.

Then why the hell am i arguing with you, your view = my view.

[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"][QUOTE="-DarthVader-"][QUOTE="mismajor99"]

PC, PS3, and Wii here Bungie Comes, while Halo is obviously MS's owned IP. Maybe the next Marathon? Who knows....

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7342&Itemid=9

-DarthVader-

thing thats funny is bungie sucked before halo and will suck after halo.

Oni :lol: lemming i wouldn't be worried if bungie left.

What? Just because Bungie was a Mac developer doesn't mean you can just throw their other accomplishments out the window :|

Other accomplishments?

oni was on the ps2 and was one of the worst games ever made, their a one hit studio and if it wasn't for MS its putting money behind halo it would have been just another FPS.

Then they would of said " Of course it's not true. Don't be ridiculous"..

But what did Bungie say ? " Talk to your Edelman rep. "

LOL

naughtydog360

They didn't comment on the 640p incident until now, they don't want to bothered.

Then why the hell am i arguing with you, your view = my view.

naughtydog360

i guess you misread my first post.

The devs themselves can leave but the Bungie name now belongs to MS. Why would Bungie devs leave now after all the success they are having now?Spartan_024

If your part of Bungie's Halo3 developers, and you have 1 of the Top games in the world. And you have Microsoft taking Most of the profit for themselfs, and you are forced to only make Halo games. Would you be happy ? being a slave to Microsoft and having most of the profit you deserve go to big cash dady Microsoft ..

[QUOTE="Spartan_024"]The devs themselves can leave but the Bungie name now belongs to MS. Why would Bungie devs leave now after all the success they are having now?naughtydog360

If your part of Bungie's Halo3 developers, and you have 1 of the Top games in the world. And you have Microsoft taking Most of the profit for themselfs, and you are forced to only make Halo games. Would you be happy ? being a slave to Microsoft and having most of the profit you deserve go to big cash dady Microsoft ..

Do you have any proof that this is the case or are you just speculating? Obviously Microsoft has no problem handing the Halo series over to another developer if Halo Wars is any evidence.

[QUOTE="Spartan_024"]The devs themselves can leave but the Bungie name now belongs to MS. Why would Bungie devs leave now after all the success they are having now?naughtydog360

If your part of Bungie's Halo3 developers, and you have 1 of the Top games in the world. And you have Microsoft taking Most of the profit for themselfs, and you are forced to only make Halo games. Would you be happy ? being a slave to Microsoft and having most of the profit you deserve go to big cash dady Microsoft ..

if it wasn't for ms noone would problaby even know who bungie is. ms made bungie who they are today.

Bungie can't leave MS but MS can sure sell Bungie. What if that's what is happening? I don't see why they would do it of course.

[QUOTE="-DarthVader-"]

Other accomplishments?

oni was on the ps2 and was one of the worst games ever made, their a one hit studio and if it wasn't for MS its putting money behind halo it would have been just another FPS.

thirstychainsaw

You should Wikipedia Bungie.

could care less about the 90's there recent track record is a garbage game and an overrated console FPS. plus they don't even own the right to myth anymore LIVING iN THE PAST IS FUN!!! sega was once a great company and could actually developer a half decent platformer.

[QUOTE="shoeman12"][QUOTE="naughtydog360"]

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]... if you follow it back to the original source its some random blog. there people claiming to have been told by their friends and bungie is owned by ms.naughtydog360

HERE IS MORE PROOF

http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/NewsCom-71551.aspx

heres the original source

Heres my Source

http://kotaku.com/gaming/rumor/bungie-microsoft-tight+lipped-on-separation-rumors-305825.php

its still just a rumor from a random blog. gaming websites report rumors that aren't nescessarily true.

robbie bach dumping stocks, peter moore quite to join ea, ms loosing bizare and bungie. could ms be exiting the console realm?-Renegade

Yeah that is the only reason they would sell Bungie that I can think of.

[QUOTE="naughtydog360"]

Then they would of said " Of course it's not true. Don't be ridiculous"..

But what did Bungie say ? " Talk to your Edelman rep. "

LOL

thirstychainsaw

They didn't comment on the 640p incident until now, they don't want to bothered.

When asked about the 640p incident they didnt reply " Talk to your Edelman rep." They gave us there answer, there reasons.

We do all know Micrsoft, they dont want any bad media, they would respond FAST" but this time... nothing yet ..

Anyone remember the PGR thing with Dvd9 disk space :O ect. ect..

[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"][QUOTE="-DarthVader-"]

Other accomplishments?

oni was on the ps2 and was one of the worst games ever made, their a one hit studio and if it wasn't for MS its putting money behind halo it would have been just another FPS.

-DarthVader-

You should Wikipedia Bungie.

could care less about the 90's there recent track record is a garbage game and an overrated console FPS. plus they don't even own the right to myth anymore LIVING iN THE PAST IS FUN!!! sega was once a great company and could actually developer a half decent platformer.

Well that's convienant, evidence is revealed that completely destroys your arguement and what do you do? Brush it aside and pretend it doesn't exist.

[QUOTE="naughtydog360"]

[QUOTE="Spartan_024"]The devs themselves can leave but the Bungie name now belongs to MS. Why would Bungie devs leave now after all the success they are having now?-Renegade

If your part of Bungie's Halo3 developers, and you have 1 of the Top games in the world. And you have Microsoft taking Most of the profit for themselfs, and you are forced to only make Halo games. Would you be happy ? being a slave to Microsoft and having most of the profit you deserve go to big cash dady Microsoft ..

if it wasn't for ms noone would problaby even know who bungie is. ms made bungie who they are today.

:|

All Microsoft did was buy them out while they were making Halo.

This means Halo 4 could be multiplat soon and the other Halo games will be ported to other systems. Further death of exclusive gaming.....Not good.DeathIsARight

All Microsoft did was buy them out while they were making Halo.

Danm_999

Halo was going to be a PC/Mac RTS before microsoft bought them out, there's no way it would have been as successful.

[QUOTE="naughtydog360"]

[QUOTE="Spartan_024"]The devs themselves can leave but the Bungie name now belongs to MS. Why would Bungie devs leave now after all the success they are having now?-Renegade

If your part of Bungie's Halo3 developers, and you have 1 of the Top games in the world. And you have Microsoft taking Most of the profit for themselfs, and you are forced to only make Halo games. Would you be happy ? being a slave to Microsoft and having most of the profit you deserve go to big cash dady Microsoft ..

if it wasn't for ms noone would problaby even know who bungie is. ms made bungie who they are today.

Same thing with Sqaure soft. Sqaure enix woudnt have existed if it wasnt for sony, dude Sqaure was about to be bankrupted after there Movie bomb.

Same thing with David jeff, ( Twisted metal, God of war devleoper ) Sony gave him the cash, a team, some crazy equipment. If it wasnt for sony, he woudnt be were he is today. What happend to him ? he left sony to start his own gaming studio :)

[QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="naughtydog360"]

[QUOTE="Spartan_024"]The devs themselves can leave but the Bungie name now belongs to MS. Why would Bungie devs leave now after all the success they are having now?Danm_999

If your part of Bungie's Halo3 developers, and you have 1 of the Top games in the world. And you have Microsoft taking Most of the profit for themselfs, and you are forced to only make Halo games. Would you be happy ? being a slave to Microsoft and having most of the profit you deserve go to big cash dady Microsoft ..

if it wasn't for ms noone would problaby even know who bungie is. ms made bungie who they are today.

:|

All Microsoft did was buy them out while they were making Halo.

and made them turn it into a fps and put on of the biggest marketing campaigns behind it.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

All Microsoft did was buy them out while they were making Halo.

TyrantDragon55

Halo was going to be a PC/Mac RTS before microsoft bought them out, there's no way it would have been as successful.

Why not? The PC/MAC userbase was and is much, much larger than the Xbox ever was. Halo 1 only ever got to about 5 million.

I think it's fair to speculate Halo could have been much bigger if it was released on PC as was originally intended.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

All Microsoft did was buy them out while they were making Halo.

TyrantDragon55

Halo was going to be a PC/Mac RTS before microsoft bought them out, there's no way it would have been as successful.

thats a highly speculative thing to say....the Halo games may sell a lot...but we have no idea what kind of profit they generate.....with such a massive advertising campagn behind it...its probably a lot less then most people assume off the bat.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

All Microsoft did was buy them out while they were making Halo.

TyrantDragon55

Halo was going to be a PC/Mac RTS before microsoft bought them out, there's no way it would have been as successful.

Who knows? Maybe it would have been so huge it would have helped Mac defeat Windows and Bungie would own MS today :)

[QUOTE="naughtydog360"]

[QUOTE="Spartan_024"]The devs themselves can leave but the Bungie name now belongs to MS. Why would Bungie devs leave now after all the success they are having now?TyrantDragon55

If your part of Bungie's Halo3 developers, and you have 1 of the Top games in the world. And you have Microsoft taking Most of the profit for themselfs, and you are forced to only make Halo games. Would you be happy ? being a slave to Microsoft and having most of the profit you deserve go to big cash dady Microsoft ..

Do you have any proof that this is the case or are you just speculating? Obviously Microsoft has no problem handing the Halo series over to another developer if Halo Wars is any evidence.

Only Speculating.

Microsoft can easily hand the Hao series over to another developer but would they be as good as the real developers, or would they ruin the game ? ( most people that take over other people game ruin it.. )

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="naughtydog360"]

[QUOTE="Spartan_024"]The devs themselves can leave but the Bungie name now belongs to MS. Why would Bungie devs leave now after all the success they are having now?-Renegade

If your part of Bungie's Halo3 developers, and you have 1 of the Top games in the world. And you have Microsoft taking Most of the profit for themselfs, and you are forced to only make Halo games. Would you be happy ? being a slave to Microsoft and having most of the profit you deserve go to big cash dady Microsoft ..

if it wasn't for ms noone would problaby even know who bungie is. ms made bungie who they are today.

:|

All Microsoft did was buy them out while they were making Halo.

and made them turn it into a fps and put on of the biggest marketing campaigns behind it.

It was really the game it was without Microsoft; Bungie made the decision to change it from an RTS to an action oriented game. It was only after Microsoft acquired Bungie it turned from an action to an FPS. Not really that huge a deal, I'm inclined to credit Bungie more than MS with that.

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]

All Microsoft did was buy them out while they were making Halo.

Danm_999

Halo was going to be a PC/Mac RTS before microsoft bought them out, there's no way it would have been as successful.

Why not? The PC/MAC userbase was and is much, much larger than the Xbox ever was. Halo 1 only ever got to about 5 million.

I think it's fair to speculate Halo could have been much bigger if it was released on PC as was originally intended.

Because RTSs are not as mainstream as FPSs, it could have been successful but I doubt it would have been the comercial success it is today.

[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"][QUOTE="naughtydog360"]

Then they would of said " Of course it's not true. Don't be ridiculous"..

But what did Bungie say ? " Talk to your Edelman rep. "

LOL

naughtydog360

They didn't comment on the 640p incident until now, they don't want to bothered.

When asked about the 640p incident they didnt reply " Talk to your Edelman rep." They gave us there answer, there reasons.

We do all know Micrsoft, they dont want any bad media, they would respond FAST" but this time... nothing yet ..

Anyone remember the PGR thing with Dvd9 disk space :O ect. ect..

Okay.

"We would ignore it entirely were it not for the internet's propensity for drama where none exists. In fact the reason we haven't mentioned this before in weekly updates, is the simple fact that it would have distracted conversation away from more important aspects of the game, and given tinfoil hats some new gristle to chew on as they catalogued their toenail clippings."

:lol:

Yeah right, and cows will unite with the Covenant and destroy Earth.

thirstychainsaw

this is good, now i get to see all the sheep and cows say omgz i want Halo 4!!!!!!!!!!11

theeeeen the rumor is debunked. 8)

i honestly wouldn't be surprised if ms announced next year that they are going to cease xbox 360 production.-Renegade

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]

All Microsoft did was buy them out while they were making Halo.

TyrantDragon55

Halo was going to be a PC/Mac RTS before microsoft bought them out, there's no way it would have been as successful.

Why not? The PC/MAC userbase was and is much, much larger than the Xbox ever was. Halo 1 only ever got to about 5 million.

I think it's fair to speculate Halo could have been much bigger if it was released on PC as was originally intended.

Because RTSs are not as mainstream as FPSs, it could have been successful but I doubt it would have been the comercial success it is today.

part of the reason its a "commercial success" is because of the huge MS sponsored advertising campagn that easily rivals even top blockbuster movies....without it...I doubt it would sell particulary well.

[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"]

:lol:

Yeah right, and cows will unite with the Covenant and destroy Earth.

MoldOnHold

Eat more beef, hurry!

Only Speculating.

Microsoft can easily hand the Hao series over to another developer but would they be as good as the real developers, or would they ruin the game ? ( most people that take over other people game ruin it.. )

naughtydog360

Doesn't matter, my point is why would Microsoft force Halo on bungie (to the point that bungie employees opt to leave) when they obviously don't mindputting the franchise in the hands of other developers?

i honestly wouldn't be surprised if ms announced next year that they are going to cease xbox 360 production.-Renegade

i could say the same thing about sony. 5 million consoles sold vs 11 million sold, which is worse?