All but official, Bungie breaks away from Microsoft Game Studios

part of the reason its a "commercial success" is because of the huge MS sponsored advertising campagn that easily rivals even top blockbuster movies....without it...I doubt it would sell particulary well.

cobrax75

Exactly, Halo would not be what it is today if it weren't for Microsoft.

part of the reason its a "commercial success" is because of the huge MS sponsored advertising campagn that easily rivals even top blockbuster movies....without it...I doubt it would sell particulary well.

cobrax75

I don't remember the first Halo having a huge advertising campaign (I could be wrong), I mean I only knew about it because I played it at Gamestop.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]

All Microsoft did was buy them out while they were making Halo.

TyrantDragon55

Halo was going to be a PC/Mac RTS before microsoft bought them out, there's no way it would have been as successful.

Why not? The PC/MAC userbase was and is much, much larger than the Xbox ever was. Halo 1 only ever got to about 5 million.

I think it's fair to speculate Halo could have been much bigger if it was released on PC as was originally intended.

Because RTSs are not as mainstream as FPSs, it could have been successful but I doubt it would have been the comercial success it is today.

Firstly, I was under the impression Bungie made the genre jump before the Microsoft acquisition.

And RTS are indeed as mainsteam as FPS. Look at the success of franchises like Command and Conquer, Warcraft and Age of Empires. All those franchises have outsold Halo. Or look at Starcraft, with about 10 million units sold in a single game.

The only real argument to say that Microsoft would have dramatically affected Halo's success would be advertisement, which really isn't as pressing on the PC.

[QUOTE="naughtydog360"][QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"][QUOTE="naughtydog360"]

Then they would of said " Of course it's not true. Don't be ridiculous"..

But what did Bungie say ? " Talk to your Edelman rep. "

LOL

thirstychainsaw

They didn't comment on the 640p incident until now, they don't want to bothered.

When asked about the 640p incident they didnt reply " Talk to your Edelman rep." They gave us there answer, there reasons.

We do all know Micrsoft, they dont want any bad media, they would respond FAST" but this time... nothing yet ..

Anyone remember the PGR thing with Dvd9 disk space :O ect. ect..

Okay.

"We would ignore it entirely were it not for the internet's propensity for drama where none exists. In fact the reason we haven't mentioned this before in weekly updates, is the simple fact that it would have distracted conversation away from more important aspects of the game, and given tinfoil hats some new gristle to chew on as they catalogued their toenail clippings."

You dont get it, they do anything they like. Im talking about Micrsoft, somthing this big for them.. noway there still quiet.. Microsoft is breaking there recored.

i honestly wouldn't be surprised if ms announced next year that they are going to cease xbox 360 production.-Renegade

i honestly wouldnt be surprised if you get banned for being such an idiot.

i honestly wouldn't be surprised if ms announced next year that they are going to cease xbox 360 production.-Renegade

Why wouldn't you? In all probability it's going to be the PS3 who sells the worst this holiday season; it's still the most expensive console with the smallest games library.

You dont get it, they do anything they like. Im talking about Micrsoft, somthing this big for them.. noway there still quiet.. Microsoft is breaking there recored.

naughtydog360

Their normal response is usually "Microsoft doesn't commit on rumors or speculations." :|

"While Microsoft quickly raised its boilerplate defense shields (Q: "Is the world flat?" A: "Microsoft does not comment on rumors or speculation.")"

Link

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]i honestly wouldn't be surprised if ms announced next year that they are going to cease xbox 360 production.shoeman12

i could say the same thing about sony. 5 million consoles sold vs 11 million sold, which is worse?

ps3 has legit reason for it's sales 360 does not. the console has failed to attract any major attention outside of the usa and has cost ms billions of dollars with no signs of profits in the next few years. so ms stopping 360 production would be a good thing for them.

i find it funny some ppl are getting excited over a rumor. especially a rumor that sounds bogus.

i guess some ppl forgot about the rumor about someone having dinner at a restaurant with one of the bioshock developers and they confirmed bioshock was coming to ps3. funny how cows were excited about the news, but when the rumor was debunked some of them started to act like the game was overated.

[QUOTE="cobrax75"]

part of the reason its a "commercial success" is because of the huge MS sponsored advertising campagn that easily rivals even top blockbuster movies....without it...I doubt it would sell particulary well.

thirstychainsaw

I don't remember the first Halo having a huge advertising campaign (I could be wrong), I mean I only knew about it because I played it at Gamestop.

it was deffinetly MS's major focal point on the Xbox....it didnt have a particulary large advertisment (especially not compared to Halo 3) but being the only good Xbox game for a very long time kinda made it popular.

Here's what I bet it means:

Bungie will get bigger. Right now, Bungie makes games, but they use the help of Microsoft Game Studios and laboratories like panguyan, which are a part of the microsoft machine that have existed before Bungie was aquired.Bungie has been using microsoft's resources (mainly on Halo 2 and 3). So, Bungie, a relatively small studio, meshed into microsoft to make games bigger then they could have dared try on their own. Maybe they are splitting in that now Bungie is getting their own studios and will get to control every aspect of the games production (at the behest of microsoft of course, who still owns them)

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]i honestly wouldn't be surprised if ms announced next year that they are going to cease xbox 360 production.-Renegade

i could say the same thing about sony. 5 million consoles sold vs 11 million sold, which is worse?

ps3 has legit reason for it's sales 360 does not. the console has failed to attract any major attention outside of the usa and has cost ms billions of dollars with no signs of profits in the next few years. so ms stopping 360 production would be a good thing for them.

The PS3 hasn't had much success in ANY territory, and is also costing sony billions of dollars.

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]i honestly wouldn't be surprised if ms announced next year that they are going to cease xbox 360 production.-Renegade

i could say the same thing about sony. 5 million consoles sold vs 11 million sold, which is worse?

ps3 has legit reason for it's sales 360 does not. the console has failed to attract any major attention outside of the usa and has cost ms billions of dollars with no signs of profits in the next few years. so ms stopping 360 production would be a good thing for them.

The 360 has sold well in Western Europe and Australasia. As we speak Halo 3 is breaking sales records outside the USA. The 360 is selling more globally than the PS3 on average this year.

Although they've taken a hit on the warranty repairs, their finally making money on each unit sold. Why would they drop out now?

You guys remember when Epic and Microsoft had their little feud?

I'm sure with a little cash incentive, even if the Bungie crew wanted to leave, they would re-think.

If they do they leave, then I will purchase a PS3. If Microsoft is willing to just throw away the developers that made the Xbox what it is, I don't want to take my chances with them because then it would just prove to me that greed has steered them away from what truly is important.

[QUOTE="naughtydog360"]

Only Speculating.

Microsoft can easily hand the Hao series over to another developer but would they be as good as the real developers, or would they ruin the game ? ( most people that take over other people game ruin it.. )

TyrantDragon55

Doesn't matter, my point is why would Microsoft force Halo on bungie (to the point that bungie employees opt to leave) when they obviously don't mindputting the franchise in the hands of other developers?

Halo war isnt FPS from what i heard. Somthing all the way new, but its basied on halo. ( sorry for my grammer and spelling, its 5 AM here, tired and sleepy :( )

Its like your saying, why doesnt Micrsoft give the Halo 4 Project to PGR4 developer and lets see what happens... NOT HAPPENING halo would be ruined

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="naughtydog360"]

Only Speculating.

Microsoft can easily hand the Hao series over to another developer but would they be as good as the real developers, or would they ruin the game ? ( most people that take over other people game ruin it.. )

naughtydog360

Doesn't matter, my point is why would Microsoft force Halo on bungie (to the point that bungie employees opt to leave) when they obviously don't mindputting the franchise in the hands of other developers?

Halo war isnt FPS from what i heard. Somthing all the way new, but its basied on halo. ( sorry for my grammer and spelling, its 5 AM here, tired and sleepy :( )

Its like your saying, why doesnt Micrsoft give the Halo 4 Project to PGR4 developer and lets see what happens... NOT HAPPENING halo would be ruined

Halo 4? Dude, the main Halo story line is over.

[QUOTE="naughtydog360"]

You dont get it, they do anything they like. Im talking about Micrsoft, somthing this big for them.. noway there still quiet.. Microsoft is breaking there recored.

thirstychainsaw

Their normal response is usually "Microsoft doesn't commit on rumors or speculations." :|

"While Microsoft quickly raised its boilerplate defense shields (Q: "Is the world flat?" A: "Microsoft does not comment on rumors or speculation."), Capcom was more forthcoming."

Link

Im confused, Microsoft is creepy :(

Bungie is a wholly owned subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation. This "rumor" is pretty absurd...

bragac200

That doesn't prevent the principals within the company from leaving for other opportunities. But yeah, barring some kind of hostile re-takeover by Bungie this seems unlikely.

[QUOTE="bragac200"]

Bungie is a wholly owned subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation. This "rumor" is pretty absurd...

Runningflame570

That doesn't prevent the principals within the company from leaving for other opportunities. But yeah, barring some kind of hostile re-takeover by Bungie this seems unlikely.

bungies founder did leave a few years ago...in 2004.

[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"][QUOTE="naughtydog360"][QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"][QUOTE="naughtydog360"]

Then they would of said " Of course it's not true. Don't be ridiculous"..

But what did Bungie say ? " Talk to your Edelman rep. "

LOL

naughtydog360

They didn't comment on the 640p incident until now, they don't want to bothered.

When asked about the 640p incident they didnt reply " Talk to your Edelman rep." They gave us there answer, there reasons.

We do all know Micrsoft, they dont want any bad media, they would respond FAST" but this time... nothing yet ..

Anyone remember the PGR thing with Dvd9 disk space :O ect. ect..

Okay.

"We would ignore it entirely were it not for the internet's propensity for drama where none exists. In fact the reason we haven't mentioned this before in weekly updates, is the simple fact that it would have distracted conversation away from more important aspects of the game, and given tinfoil hats some new gristle to chew on as they catalogued their toenail clippings."

You dont get it, they do anything they like. Im talking about Micrsoft, somthing this big for them.. noway there still quiet.. Microsoft is breaking there recored.

MS wasnt quiet. The MS PR guy shot down the rumor pronto. It was the bungie rep that brushed them off.

[QUOTE="naughtydog360"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="naughtydog360"]

Only Speculating.

Microsoft can easily hand the Hao series over to another developer but would they be as good as the real developers, or would they ruin the game ? ( most people that take over other people game ruin it.. )

TyrantDragon55

Doesn't matter, my point is why would Microsoft force Halo on bungie (to the point that bungie employees opt to leave) when they obviously don't mindputting the franchise in the hands of other developers?

Halo war isnt FPS from what i heard. Somthing all the way new, but its basied on halo. ( sorry for my grammer and spelling, its 5 AM here, tired and sleepy :( )

Its like your saying, why doesnt Micrsoft give the Halo 4 Project to PGR4 developer and lets see what happens... NOT HAPPENING halo would be ruined

Halo 4? Dude, the main Halo story line is over.

was just giving you an example

and BTW

http://www.msxbox-world.com/xbox360/news/article/6376/Halo-4-already-in-development.html

Speaking with Bungie at an exclusive Microsoft event this month we were informed that there was no rest for the wicked for the team as they were already beavering away at the next Halo game in the franchise. When questioned whether the game would be a prequel, Bungie remained tight lipped as always but we have a hunch that the game might actually be Halo - The Movie Game (insert movie title prefix here). Either way, it's early days considering many are still tackling the single player of Halo 3. With huge sales across the globe for the series, there's no doubt that gamers are in store for more fighting whatever the guise may be. MSXBOXWORLD

[QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="shoeman12"]

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]i honestly wouldn't be surprised if ms announced next year that they are going to cease xbox 360 production.TyrantDragon55

i could say the same thing about sony. 5 million consoles sold vs 11 million sold, which is worse?

ps3 has legit reason for it's sales 360 does not. the console has failed to attract any major attention outside of the usa and has cost ms billions of dollars with no signs of profits in the next few years. so ms stopping 360 production would be a good thing for them.

The PS3 hasn't had much success in ANY territory, and is also costing sony billions of dollars.

yeah sony lost billions of dollars but in their next fiscal year will bring it down only to millions lost. now i am not saying it's a good thing but they are doing better then ms.

was just giving you an example

and BTW

http://www.msxbox-world.com/xbox360/news/article/6376/Halo-4-already-in-development.html

[Quote="MSXBOXWORLD"] Speaking with Bungie at an exclusive Microsoft event this month we were informed that there was no rest for the wicked for the team as they were already beavering away at the next Halo game in the franchise. When questioned whether the game would be a prequel, Bungie remained tight lipped as always but we have a hunch that the game might actually be Halo - The Movie Game (insert movie title prefix here). Either way, it's early days considering many are still tackling the single player of Halo 3. With huge sales across the globe for the series, there's no doubt that gamers are in store for more fighting whatever the guise may be. naughtydog360

That's probably Peter Jackson's untitled Halo project, Bungie said in an interview released before Halo 3 launched that they would be assisting and overseeing it's developementas they do with all Halo related projects.

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="shoeman12"]

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]i honestly wouldn't be surprised if ms announced next year that they are going to cease xbox 360 production.-Renegade

i could say the same thing about sony. 5 million consoles sold vs 11 million sold, which is worse?

ps3 has legit reason for it's sales 360 does not. the console has failed to attract any major attention outside of the usa and has cost ms billions of dollars with no signs of profits in the next few years. so ms stopping 360 production would be a good thing for them.

The PS3 hasn't had much success in ANY territory, and is also costing sony billions of dollars.

yeah sony lost billions of dollars but in their next fiscal year will bring it down only to millions lost. now i am not saying it's a good thing but they are doing better then ms.

No they aren't if you count only this gen. They are losing a lot more money and the console has a much less chance of succeeding,

[QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="shoeman12"]

i could say the same thing about sony. 5 million consoles sold vs 11 million sold, which is worse?

Danm_999

ps3 has legit reason for it's sales 360 does not. the console has failed to attract any major attention outside of the usa and has cost ms billions of dollars with no signs of profits in the next few years. so ms stopping 360 production would be a good thing for them.

The 360 has sold well in Western Europe and Australasia. As we speak Halo 3 is breaking sales records outside the USA. The 360 is selling more globally than the PS3 on average this year.

Although they've taken a hit on the warranty repairs, their finally making money on each unit sold. Why would they drop out now?

maybe because they don't see any forseeable profit on the console for the next 2-3 years at the earliest? not my words microsoft's.

yeah sony lost billions of dollars but in their next fiscal year will bring it down only to millions lost. now i am not saying it's a good thing but they are doing better then ms.

-Renegade

Isn't Halo 3 supposed to put Microsoft in the black?

[QUOTE="naughtydog360"]

was just giving you an example

and BTW

http://www.msxbox-world.com/xbox360/news/article/6376/Halo-4-already-in-development.html

[Quote="MSXBOXWORLD"] Speaking with Bungie at an exclusive Microsoft event this month we were informed that there was no rest for the wicked for the team as they were already beavering away at the next Halo game in the franchise. When questioned whether the game would be a prequel, Bungie remained tight lipped as always but we have a hunch that the game might actually be Halo - The Movie Game (insert movie title prefix here). Either way, it's early days considering many are still tackling the single player of Halo 3. With huge sales across the globe for the series, there's no doubt that gamers are in store for more fighting whatever the guise may be. TyrantDragon55

That's probably Peter Jackson's untitled Halo project, Bungie said in an interview released before Halo 3 launched that they would be assisting and overseeing it's developementas they do with all Halo related projects.

Quick question, how many halo projects are there ? all i knew was Halo 3 and Halo wars :S

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="shoeman12"]

i could say the same thing about sony. 5 million consoles sold vs 11 million sold, which is worse?

-Renegade

ps3 has legit reason for it's sales 360 does not. the console has failed to attract any major attention outside of the usa and has cost ms billions of dollars with no signs of profits in the next few years. so ms stopping 360 production would be a good thing for them.

The 360 has sold well in Western Europe and Australasia. As we speak Halo 3 is breaking sales records outside the USA. The 360 is selling more globally than the PS3 on average this year.

Although they've taken a hit on the warranty repairs, their finally making money on each unit sold. Why would they drop out now?

maybe because they don't see any forseeable profit on the console for the next 2-3 years at the earliest? not my words microsoft's.

Pulleese. Right now the Xbox brand is in a better position then it has ever been.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="shoeman12"]

i could say the same thing about sony. 5 million consoles sold vs 11 million sold, which is worse?

-Renegade

ps3 has legit reason for it's sales 360 does not. the console has failed to attract any major attention outside of the usa and has cost ms billions of dollars with no signs of profits in the next few years. so ms stopping 360 production would be a good thing for them.

The 360 has sold well in Western Europe and Australasia. As we speak Halo 3 is breaking sales records outside the USA. The 360 is selling more globally than the PS3 on average this year.

Although they've taken a hit on the warranty repairs, their finally making money on each unit sold. Why would they drop out now?

maybe because they don't see any forseeable profit on the console for the next 2-3 years at the earliest? not my words microsoft's.

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]i honestly wouldn't be surprised if ms announced next year that they are going to cease xbox 360 production.TheDarkDisciple

i honestly wouldnt be surprised if you get banned for being such an idiot.

why because i am making legit observations? what i am saying is not that far fetched.

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="naughtydog360"]

was just giving you an example

and BTW

http://www.msxbox-world.com/xbox360/news/article/6376/Halo-4-already-in-development.html

[Quote="MSXBOXWORLD"] Speaking with Bungie at an exclusive Microsoft event this month we were informed that there was no rest for the wicked for the team as they were already beavering away at the next Halo game in the franchise. When questioned whether the game would be a prequel, Bungie remained tight lipped as always but we have a hunch that the game might actually be Halo - The Movie Game (insert movie title prefix here). Either way, it's early days considering many are still tackling the single player of Halo 3. With huge sales across the globe for the series, there's no doubt that gamers are in store for more fighting whatever the guise may be. naughtydog360

That's probably Peter Jackson's untitled Halo project, Bungie said in an interview released before Halo 3 launched that they would be assisting and overseeing it's developementas they do with all Halo related projects.

Quick question, how many halo projects are there ? all i knew was Halo 3 and Halo wars :S

Theres the Peter Jackson game and thats it I believe.

[QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"][QUOTE="kevy619"]

[QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"][QUOTE="kevy619"]Official, Gran Turismo 5 Xox 360 exclusive! PBSnipes

The rumours cant be true, Bungie is owned by microsoft. The blogger really gives himself away when he said microsoft was considering pulling out of the console business.

Bungie is owned by Microsoft but that doesn't mean they can't break away depending on their contract/agreement. Unless they signed an agreement to be owned forever by Microsoft, things can change.

correct - but they wouldn't be setting a precedent if they sold back controlling shares to bungie as a reward for continued years of success hinging on exclusive future development of their own free will... because it's happened before, more than once.

Are you guys still talking about this?

It's already been shown to be BOGUS on GameSpot Rumor Control:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=25955364&sid=6180203&action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;1

Besides... anyone who knows anything about gaming ALREADY KNEW that MS owns Bungie. Yes OWNS Bungie.

Quick question, how many halo projects are there ? all i knew was Halo 3 and Halo wars :S

naughtydog360

There's supposed to be like 2 more novels (written by Bungie's writters this time), I think there's another graphic novel and then Peter Jackson's game.

Talk about desperate.

Gamespot themselves debunked this rumor that was started by a rabid fanboy in his blog. Honestly, you people will believe anything to make yourselves feel better won't you. :lol:

[QUOTE="TheDarkDisciple"]

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]i honestly wouldn't be surprised if ms announced next year that they are going to cease xbox 360 production.-Renegade

i honestly wouldnt be surprised if you get banned for being such an idiot.

why because i am making legit observations? what i am saying is not that far fetched.

Whatever helps you feel better at night i suppose. Either way, it's a fanboys wishes. You're delusional if you honestly believe it...but, heh, you're a fanboy. I rest my case.

[QUOTE="TheDarkDisciple"]

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]i honestly wouldn't be surprised if ms announced next year that they are going to cease xbox 360 production.-Renegade

i honestly wouldnt be surprised if you get banned for being such an idiot.

why because i am making legit observations? what i am saying is not that far fetched.

Actually it really kind of is..Microsoft as a company have shown themselves willing to engage in unprofitable ventures (of which they have had and still have a ton) even if for no other purpose than to slow down a competitor.

[QUOTE="naughtydog360"]

[QUOTE="mwa"]MS owns bungie. bungie can't "leave" unless MS decides to sell them off, and i really don't see that happening. sure the development team could leave for other jobs, but bungie studios itself can't "leave" since MS owns them 100%mwa

Do you have a masters in business ? Banking and finance.. ..

Bungie as a whole can leave M$ whenever they want, all they gota do is QUIT.. and redo the company. Its pretty obvious why bungie ( IF ) wants to leave M$, microsft is probebly giving Bungie a smaller cut than they deserve on Halo 3.. Microsoft is ripping them off. If they leave, that woudnt happen, and they woudnt be forced into developing only Halo games :S

Bungie can leave anytime they like, just like ever studios and developers .. ( research before posting ). For Example, most of warhawk developers left, there are 6 developers left for warhawk.. there were 100 a year ago, where did they go ? they left Sony and joined David jeff ( developer of God of war ) in the new studio they call "Eat,sleep, play, and rest".

Everything is possible..

do you have basic 3rd grade reading comprehension? read before you post. i clearly stated that the members of the team can leave for other jobs if they want, but bungie studios (e.g. the entity itself) cannot be taken independent as it is wholly owned by MS. and sorry to inform you but i do work in investment banking. what about you?

Are you guys still talking about this?

It's already been shown to be BOGUS on GameSpot Rumor Control:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=25955364&sid=6180203&action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;1

Besides... anyone who knows anything about gaming ALREADY KNEW that MS owns Bungie. Yes OWNS Bungie.

Mystikef

didnt know they had the news that debunked it already, but i wish you didnt post it. it was funny how some were going as far with it with their wishful thinking.

[QUOTE="TheDarkDisciple"]

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]i honestly wouldn't be surprised if ms announced next year that they are going to cease xbox 360 production.-Renegade

i honestly wouldnt be surprised if you get banned for being such an idiot.

why because i am making legit observations? what i am saying is not that far fetched.

how is it a legit observation? i want solid proof of the xbox 360 giving MS any kind of reason to stop production. Sure they have had hardware problems but its already obvious that it won't be a problem much longer. Meanwhile, the ps3 is getting outsold by the 360 almost everywhere outside of Japan; and its only causing problems for Sony. I wouldn't be surprised if they cease production of all remaining ps3 SKUs. Heh, we've already been hearing about that so i would say thats a legit observation.

[QUOTE="mwa"][QUOTE="naughtydog360"]

[QUOTE="mwa"]MS owns bungie. bungie can't "leave" unless MS decides to sell them off, and i really don't see that happening. sure the development team could leave for other jobs, but bungie studios itself can't "leave" since MS owns them 100%DrinkDuff

Do you have a masters in business ? Banking and finance.. ..

Bungie as a whole can leave M$ whenever they want, all they gota do is QUIT.. and redo the company. Its pretty obvious why bungie ( IF ) wants to leave M$, microsft is probebly giving Bungie a smaller cut than they deserve on Halo 3.. Microsoft is ripping them off. If they leave, that woudnt happen, and they woudnt be forced into developing only Halo games :S

Bungie can leave anytime they like, just like ever studios and developers .. ( research before posting ). For Example, most of warhawk developers left, there are 6 developers left for warhawk.. there were 100 a year ago, where did they go ? they left Sony and joined David jeff ( developer of God of war ) in the new studio they call "Eat,sleep, play, and rest".

Everything is possible..

do you have basic 3rd grade reading comprehension? read before you post. i clearly stated that the members of the team can leave for other jobs if they want, but bungie studios (e.g. the entity itself) cannot be taken independent as it is wholly owned by MS. and sorry to inform you but i do work in investment banking. what about you?

Oh please not another "ownage approved" theres no ownage if you read our replies at the end. you should try to keep up

What a waste of damn space this thread and all those like it are, full of base lessassertions and rumor mill drivel.

It's sad to even see people still questioning who owns what after all these years, it's not that damn hard. :|

What a waste of damn space this thread and all those like it are, full of base lessassertions and rumor mill drivel.

It's sad to even see people still questioning who owns what after all these years, it's not that damn hard. :|

-RPGamer-

Yeah, pretty much...plus all the "X game to X system" and "new version of X system coming" threads.

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]

maybe because they don't see any forseeable profit on the console for the next 2-3 years at the earliest? not my words microsoft's.

KD-Archangel

"the original Xbox made vast losses, and few who have any insight into the figures underlying Microsoft's console business believe that the Xbox 360 will ever bring the Xbox division into the black. For the odd quarter here and there, perhaps; but overall? Not a chance."

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=27219

Microsoft: Xbox profits may take at least two more years

"Now we are going to have to work hard figuring out how to make money [on Xbox]. CEO Steve Ballmer tells me that Windows took eight or nine years to make any money, which no one talks about today. But he reminds me of that all the time. Today everybody just believes it made money from the start, but that was not the case."

Source

What a waste of damn space this thread and all those like it are, full of base lessassertions and rumor mill drivel.

It's sad to even see people still questioning who owns what after all these years, it's not that damn hard. :|

-RPGamer-