All games made by Sony with a production date after April 1 2018 will be made exclusively for PS5.

Lol yeah I bet...

I see your point.

But what do you think about next gen, do you think we'll have mid-gen upgrades like this gen?

I don't think we'll see mid-gen refreshes. I think the reason we had them this gen is that MS and Sony wanted to cater to the newly available 4KTV market and Sony was also looking into VR. We are going to be gaming for a long time in 4K since anything above that takes too much processing power. I don't think the unique opportunities this gen presented that allowed the PS4 Pro and XB1X to exist will be around next gen. Also the fact that none of these mid-gen refreshes were particularly successful means that the chances of Sony and MS revisiting this concept next gen with a "PS5 Pro" and "XB2X" are slim.

SSD out of the box would be pointless, too expensive. I call BS. Most console gamers probably don't even know the difference, and I don't think any console makers would make the mistake of pushing the worth of SSD over better performance out of cpu/gpu just nope. If a customer wants to swap out, or add an SSD Sony has always allowed that- but they know better than to sacrifice specs for one.

@Random_Matt: you have to look at the entire package, and to be fair I wrote midrange+....

I will get Ps5 at launch but I have a feeling I will still like my Switch more lol.

From PS Bore to PS Jive. :P

This gen has flew by. Can't believe next gen spec rumors are already starting.

16Gb of RAM isn't enough, 24Gb minimum!!!

Yes at least 8GB for OS and other task. 16GB for the game. Cant wait to buy all the new systems. I love buying new hardware!

There are a lot of idiots here.

Backwards compatibility out of the box is the best news in this leak. If true.

First there was the PS1, then there was the PS2, then there was the PS3, then they made the PS4... Who could ever guess what the future holds for SONY?

I doubt its true to the SSD, I do hope that accessories are BC as well if true

Some speculation of something happening 2-3 years off and "just you wait!"

seems to be a little bit of a theme here

I'll wait for the official specs from Sony.

@navyguy21: Are SSD's not falling rapidly in price? This also wont be out for another year and a half.

As long as all my digital games carry over to next gen I think I'll be happy with the PS5.

@blackhairedhero: Right now, they are around 4 times the price of regular HDD. I bought a 500gb SSD for $80 for my Pro and it's worth every penny... Particularly on any game that loads awhile(monster Hunter, HZD, etc)

Grow up kid. Buy a PC.

Not sure how many people would be willing to buy a 600 dollar console . If you pick up an extra controller , couple of new games, PS Plus one year, that easily gets to 800+ territory. At that point why not just build a PC? or upgrade your current one if you have one.

One thing that changes everything is backwards compatibility. If its actually bc with most ps4 games then people might be wiling to pay a bit of a premium like 499 instead of 399. But 599 is ridiculous for a home console , a lot of their more casual market wont touch that price point with a 10 foot pole.

Exclusives. Plus those who prefer consoles and all that.

@riverboatron: ps5 won't cost $600.

It's probably going to be $400 like the PS4 at launch

personally id buy a 700 dollar ps5 if it had total backwards compatibility with any playstation game ever (Ps1,Ps2,Ps3,Ps4,Ps5) .

I dont think sony gives af about backwards compatibility though, especially with how well the Ps4 did, its just an unnecessary cost.

i doubt theres going to be too many great exclusives in the first year or two of the console, Ps3 and ps4 were notoriously slow starters

especially in year 1, **** all those remasters and enhanced editions, so many of the games you could just pick up for Ps3 anyway.

Emulation removes additional cost to the hardware.

So you're just saying to buy consoles late? You can certainly do that.

about 2 or 3 years into the lifecycle. for the Ps4 the perfect time to buy it would either of been mid 2015 when the Witcher 3 and Mortal Kombat was out , or in 2017 with Persona 5 and Horizon getting released and GoW 1 year later. So about 1.5 or 2.5 years into the gen.

Thats assuming you have a PC or the previous gen console. If you have nothing then sure, buy a console early.

BC is always cool is that the folks who don't have it are bitter that some people do. Instead of yelling at the company that is not supporting BC, they yell at the people who enjoy having it. The life of a shill is rough.

@Pedro: "Instead of yelling at the company that is not supporting BC, they yell at the people who enjoy having it."

Funny you say this... You call out Sony for having exclusives instead of calling out Microsoft for not having them.

Double standards I guess.

Well, sure, the life of a Microsoft shill like yourself sure is rough.

That's is the best you can do? LMAO. It doesn't even make sense. My posts are distressing you hard. Use you alt to back you up. ;)

@Pedro: no counterpoints? You used to be better than this.

@zaryia: The PS4 didn't have the worst version for 6 years.

PS5 will be dead in the water without backwards compatability. It's going to be a big deal moving forward. Glad it seems like they will include it. It's the one good thing MS did this generation.

Emulation costs money and resources too, that's why PS2 emulation was removed from the PS3. They had to have people focused on adapting the emulator to every PS2 game. I always had glitches with Xenosaga for example and they were never fixed.

Remember, Vega 64 at 7 nm process tech wasn't enough for Sony and MS.

Mid range Vega 24 already has 64 ROPS, hence NAVI version may have 128 ROPS.

Vega 64's 13 TFLOPS is bottleneck'ed by 64 ROPS (read/write path) at 1.5Ghz vs GTX 1080 Ti's 88 ROPS at 1.6 to 1.8Ghz.

Based on crypto compute, both AMD and NVIDIA TFLOPS (via TMU read/write path) are similar.

AMD ROPS has separate color and alpha ROPS, but there's a bottleneck with color ROPS i.e. alpha ROPS are fine with tile cache render e.g. Forza 6/7 wet scenes.

In reference to everyone dismissing the SSD listing...

Yet, The Last of Us 2 makes every Scorpio game look like a beaten dog kept on a three foot long chain on a spike in the backyard. Ya'll should try being lovers, not fighters.

@Shewgenja: And still my point still stands. ?

The worst version is on Xbox One. Stop spreading misinformation.

You think you ever had a "point"?

Talk about delusional.

Making things up in your head and trying to project them other to others doesn't count as reasonable arguments for here anything buddy.

Here's how it works out.

1. I post a SOURCE of a "traceable" leak from a known gaming cast about PS5 development.

2. You proceed to speculate make up YOUR OWN self made tin foil hat arguments about *me* because of news of PS5 is continuing to come out and makes you insecure about the Xbox One X you blew $500 on.

That's it.

So, this isn't about me, it's really about you lol. I didn't even buy the Pro because I'm not an idiot and the next time I drop a couple hundred for a gaming system it's going to be for a true upgrade and not something I'm going to have buyers remorse over...like you appear to be having about your X.

"The One X have OP desiring the PS5 as soon as possible."

Your response make it even more true. The frustration is getting the best of you.

@tgob89: Pedro rekt again lmao

lol the fact that you think the One X has ANYTHING to do with me posting news of PS5's development is proof that knowing the PS5 is closing in on release has your purchase of the One X push you in a defensive remorseful state of mind.

It's ok Pedro, I didn't make this news about PS5 up nor can I make the PS5 not come out...it's not my fault these things are happening, I promise :)

System Wars is video games news central, don't shoot the messenger because you can't handle what's reported.

So, I am remorseful because the PS5 is going to be released no sooner than 2020. That's your argument?

@Pedro said:

@tgob89 said:

lol the fact that you think the One X has ANYTHING to do with me posting news of PS5's development is proof that knowing the PS5 is closing in on release has your purchase of the One X push you in a defensive remorseful state of mind.

It's ok Pedro, I didn't make this news about PS5 up nor can I make the PS5 not come out...it's not my fault these things are happening, I promise :)

System Wars is video games news central, don't shoot the messenger because you can't handle what's reported.

So, I am remorseful because the PS5 is going to be released no sooner than 2020. That's your argument?

What's funny is...that's actually NOT my argument!

I actually didn't have an "argument" in this thread.

I posted this recent PS5 news which hadn't been posted yet (didn't mention xbox at all) and YOU flew off the deep end LMAO.

I'm only responding to you now because you threw yourself out there exposing any PS5 news makes you have insecure and delusional fantasies about others thinking about your xbox One X purchase.

I couldn't care less about the X or the Pro to be honest. I'm only interested in generational upgrades.

I'm not the one who threw Xbox One X into this discussion, YOU did! For some odd reason you tie PS5 news and your Xbox One X together. I didn't mention the X or anything xbox related in my OP so the only conclusion I can come to is that PS5 news makes you mentally traumatized and causes you to lash out the posters regarding the One X you wasted money on *LOL*.

I could be wrong...but then again, lol why dose the Xbox One X have anything to do with this PS5 news again? LMAO.

@tgob89 said:

@Pedro said:

@tgob89 said:

lol the fact that you think the One X has ANYTHING to do with me posting news of PS5's development is proof that knowing the PS5 is closing in on release has your purchase of the One X push you in a defensive remorseful state of mind.

It's ok Pedro, I didn't make this news about PS5 up nor can I make the PS5 not come out...it's not my fault these things are happening, I promise :)

System Wars is video games news central, don't shoot the messenger because you can't handle what's reported.

So, I am remorseful because the PS5 is going to be released no sooner than 2020. That's your argument?

What's funny is...that's actually NOT my argument!

I actually didn't have an "argument" in this thread.

I posted this recent PS5 news which hadn't been posted yet (didn't mention xbox at all) and YOU flew off the deep end LMAO.

I'm only responding to you now because you threw yourself out there exposing any PS5 news makes you have insecure and delusional fantasies about others thinking about your xbox One X purchase.

I couldn't care less about the X or the Pro to be honest. I'm only interested in generational upgrades.

I'm not the one who threw Xbox One X into this discussion, YOU did! For some odd reason you tie PS5 news and your Xbox One X together. I didn't mention the X or anything xbox related in my OP so the only conclusion I can come to is that PS5 news makes you mentally traumatized and causes you to lash out the posters who present it.

I could be wrong...but then again, lol why dose the Xbox One X have anything to do with this PS5 news again? LMAO.

Pedro EXPOSED.