We will see, for all we know this could do nothing to significantly close the gaps espicially with the 360 price cuts also coming.
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[QUOTE="MegajerkNYC"]
Think about it PS3 has the best games the best exclusives plays bluray.
The only exclusive on 360 is RROD.
AdmiralBison
LOL.
Good one, I'll give you that.
Anyway the real laughing will be when the NPD results come in September.
If the PS3 does overtake the Xbox360 then this maybe a very interesting console war this generation, if the PS3 fails to overtake the Xbox360 with all it's faults Cows will have to pretty much eat humble pie for a very long time aince the price is the major contributing factor.
Cows are you ready to go another round of NPD sales?
I actually expect the PS3 to only outsell the 360 by a few thousand units in NPD september. But NPD is only America. World wide I would be shocked ifthe PS3 outsold the 360 by anything less then 100k.
Actually I expect FF13 to move a million PS3's in Japan alone this year.
[QUOTE="teh_cell"]Official Confirmation people. I can only imagine how many people are going to put their foot in their mouth when they find out this isn't true.http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/18/sony-ps3-slim-shows-up-for-pre-order-at-kmart-300/
PS3 Slim with 120GB HDD =$300. This pretty much destroys the Xbox360 for this generation.
Animal-Mother
oooh and the kmart people are going to get angry to .... http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/ProductDisplay?storeId=10151&partNumber=018W014436760001P&adCell=W2&catalogId=10104 .....
[QUOTE="AdmiralBison"]
[QUOTE="MegajerkNYC"]
Think about it PS3 has the best games the best exclusives plays bluray.
The only exclusive on 360 is RROD.
MegajerkNYC
LOL.
Good one, I'll give you that.
Anyway the real laughing will be when the NPD results come in September.
If the PS3 does overtake the Xbox360 then this maybe a very interesting console war this generation, if the PS3 fails to overtake the Xbox360 with all it's faults Cows will have to pretty much eat humble pie for a very long time aince the price is the major contributing factor.
Cows are you ready to go another round of NPD sales?
I actually expect the PS3 to only outsell the 360 by a few thousand units in NPD september. But NPD is only America. World wide I would be shocked ifthe PS3 outsold the 360 by anything less then 100k.
Actually I expect FF13 to move a million PS3's in Japan alone this year.
A few thousand units?. Now I wouldnt call that domination would you?
Honestly with games like Mass effect 2 and alan wake next year. 360 might edge it out for me next year. The 360 will be fine
[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]That's a whole lot of questions ya got there. Got any answers? Why would one answer there own questions? that defeats the purpose of asking a question if you all ready know the answer. and its actually only 2 questions, what if microsoft drops the arcade by 50-100 dollars and the elite by 100, and what if they release a slim later?and if microsoft drops teh arcade by 50-100? and elite by 100? and releases a slim later on?
Chutebox
Why every single news has to be transformed on a reason to mess with..."looks TC nick" oh, nevermind.
[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]
and if microsoft drops teh arcade by 50-100? and elite by 100? and releases a slim later on?
AdmiralBison
It's not a question of what "if" its a question of when MS will drop the price.
Ms has stated before on quite a few occasions that they would cut the prices too if Sony did.
I'm just finding it funny that some Cows are celebrating prematurely thinking that this would change anything.
It hasn't been released yet and we don't even know it's first months sales performance.
Though I will be getting a PS3 slim if it has BC, NPD for the month of September will be interesting.
My money though is the PS3 "family" will still be in last place.
Dropping the price of the Elite is nothing. It's the same thing when Sony phased out their $499 sku back when the PS3 launched and then try to claim they reduced the price of the PS3 from $599 to $499. The only way to make any impact is drop the price of the arcade. What, you want them to start losing money on hardware again? Like I said before, why not just ask for it to be free lol.[QUOTE="AdmiralBison"]
[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]
and if microsoft drops teh arcade by 50-100? and elite by 100? and releases a slim later on?
darthogre
It's not a question of what "if" its a question of when MS will drop the price.
Ms has stated before on quite a few occasions that they would cut the prices too if Sony did.
I'm just finding it funny that some Cows are celebrating prematurely thinking that this would change anything.
It hasn't been released yet and we don't even know it's first months sales performance.
Though I will be getting a PS3 slim if it has BC, NPD for the month of September will be interesting.
My money though is the PS3 "family" will still be in last place.
Dropping the price of the Elite is nothing. It's the same thing when Sony phased out their $499 sku back when the PS3 launched and then try to claim they reduced the price of the PS3 from $599 to $499. The only way to make any impact is drop the price of the arcade. What, you want them to start losing money on hardware again? Like I said before, why not just ask for it to be free lol. ....um except who says that if the slim is released they stop producing the fat? hmmm? as for that arcade is 200 dollars... lower it by 50? 150 dollars, or they could go lower...we have to remember that microsoft actually makes a profit off their system confirmed that is. then we have the elite, 400 price drop 100? 299 dollars...what? Is this a serious question? That's like saying why did they waist their time making the big PS2........why not just release the slim PS2. You don't think they would have made it smaller if the technology existed at the time? And I'm not sure about saying "it will save the PS3". What does that mean exactly? To me it will make the PS3 viable in this economy. does that mean it overtakes X360 by next year (worldwide sales), maybe. I'm more intrested in the fact the PS3 brand looked like it was in big trouble without a price cut this year and I'm glad they finally did it.If the slim will save the PS3 why didnt they initially make them? Instead of waiting a couple years and consistently holding 3rd place. Just a thought
Colin1192
Now Microsoft will drop the 360 price again.aero250The PS3 fanboys keep forgetting XBOX 360 has the upperhand over PS3 this entire gen. The NATAL launch will sell another few million systems as well once Sam Champion is playing with it on Good Morning America.
[QUOTE="AdmiralBison"]
It's not a question of what "if" its a question of when MS will drop the price.
Ms has stated before on quite a few occasions that they would cut the prices too if Sony did.
I'm just finding it funny that some Cows are celebrating prematurely thinking that this would change anything.
It hasn't been released yet and we don't even know it's first months sales performance.
Though I will be getting a PS3 slim if it has BC, NPD for the month of September will be interesting.
My money though is the PS3 "family" will still be in last place.
Dropping the price of the Elite is nothing. It's the same thing when Sony phased out their $499 sku back when the PS3 launched and then try to claim they reduced the price of the PS3 from $599 to $499. The only way to make any impact is drop the price of the arcade. What, you want them to start losing money on hardware again? Like I said before, why not just ask for it to be free lol. ....um except who says that if the slim is released they stop producing the fat? hmmm? as for that arcade is 200 dollars... lower it by 50? 150 dollars, or they could go lower...we have to remember that microsoft actually makes a profit off their system confirmed that is. then we have the elite, 400 price drop 100? 299 dollars... First off, no one knows ANYTHING except MS. You say they can do this or that, NO...you don't know. If they could afford a price drop on the arcade they wouldn't be fooling around with this elite replacing the pro stuff. If MS is making a profit on X360 arcade then they can prove it with a price cut. They've known that Sony is going to cut the price this year ever since the slim was leaked. So far their only answer is to stop making pro's and just replace it with Elite. So wow, you know get a little bigger hardrive is the only difference. Congrats. Oh and just for the record, it's widely reported that they have STOPPED producing the fat version as you call it. Why would they keep producing a version of the PS3 that is about 40% more expensive to manufacture? Was that a serious question?The PS3 fanboys keep forgetting XBOX 360 has the upperhand over PS3 this entire gen. The NATAL launch will sell another few million systems as well once Sam Champion is playing with it on Good Morning America. Can I see that link guaranteeing Natal will sell another few million?[QUOTE="aero250"]Now Microsoft will drop the 360 price again.sexy_robot_man
[QUOTE="sexy_robot_man"]The PS3 fanboys keep forgetting XBOX 360 has the upperhand over PS3 this entire gen. The NATAL launch will sell another few million systems as well once Sam Champion is playing with it on Good Morning America. Can I see that link guaranteeing Natal will sell another few million?Here is a link to the prediction.[QUOTE="aero250"]Now Microsoft will drop the 360 price again.Animal-Mother
Can I see that link guaranteeing Natal will sell another few million?Here is a link to the prediction. I didn't ask for predictions. You said Natal WILL sell another few million. I'd like to see the link telling you thta it would. Not a prediction[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="sexy_robot_man"]The PS3 fanboys keep forgetting XBOX 360 has the upperhand over PS3 this entire gen. The NATAL launch will sell another few million systems as well once Sam Champion is playing with it on Good Morning America.
sexy_robot_man
Here is a link to the prediction.sexy_robot_manMaybe you should double-check what "guarantee" means.
[QUOTE="AdmiralBison"]
[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]
and if microsoft drops teh arcade by 50-100? and elite by 100? and releases a slim later on?
darthogre
It's not a question of what "if" its a question of when MS will drop the price.
Ms has stated before on quite a few occasions that they would cut the prices too if Sony did.
I'm just finding it funny that some Cows are celebrating prematurely thinking that this would change anything.
It hasn't been released yet and we don't even know it's first months sales performance.
Though I will be getting a PS3 slim if it has BC, NPD for the month of September will be interesting.
My money though is the PS3 "family" will still be in last place.
Dropping the price of the Elite is nothing. It's the same thing when Sony phased out their $499 sku back when the PS3 launched and then try to claim they reduced the price of the PS3 from $599 to $499. The only way to make any impact is drop the price of the arcade. What, you want them to start losing money on hardware again? Like I said before, why not just ask for it to be free lol.Why not lose money on every hardware Microsoft are in a better financial situation to weather it then Sony. MS has done it before and they can do it again.
How come it took Sony so long to do this when Microsoft have been doing for so long now. Once again they said they will drop the price in response and it could also include the Arcade if that is the most important SKU.
Anyway is this what Cows are pinning there hopes on it to turn the tide this generation?
[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="darthogre"] Dropping the price of the Elite is nothing. It's the same thing when Sony phased out their $499 sku back when the PS3 launched and then try to claim they reduced the price of the PS3 from $599 to $499. The only way to make any impact is drop the price of the arcade. What, you want them to start losing money on hardware again? Like I said before, why not just ask for it to be free lol.....um except who says that if the slim is released they stop producing the fat? hmmm? as for that arcade is 200 dollars... lower it by 50? 150 dollars, or they could go lower...we have to remember that microsoft actually makes a profit off their system confirmed that is. then we have the elite, 400 price drop 100? 299 dollars... First off, no one knows ANYTHING except MS. You say they can do this or that, NO...you don't know. If they could afford a price drop on the arcade they wouldn't be fooling around with this elite replacing the pro stuff. If MS is making a profit on X360 arcade then they can prove it with a price cut. They've known that Sony is going to cut the price this year ever since the slim was leaked. So far their only answer is to stop making pro's and just replace it with Elite. So wow, you know get a little bigger hardrive is the only difference. Congrats. Oh and just for the record, it's widely reported that they have STOPPED producing the fat version as you call it. Why would they keep producing a version of the PS3 that is about 40% more expensive to manufacture? Was that a serious question?darthogre
Odd last i checked the only rumor talked about is price cut, slim, the fat being out of production has yet to be talked about on this forum.
and exactly how does geting rid of the pro indicate any thing towards price dropping the arcade and elite? except that they are likely going to PRICE DROP the elite so that its the same price as the pro...so why have a pro if the elite is all ready the same price..
[QUOTE="sexy_robot_man"]Here is a link to the prediction.IronBassMaybe you should double-check what "guarantee" means.I never said Gurantee. Commenting on what I believe to happen in the future can be nothing more than a prediction how is this tough to understand? The fact that common sense is a rare commodity in here is not my problem.
The PS3 fanboys keep forgetting XBOX 360 has the upperhand over PS3 this entire gen. The NATAL launch will sell another few million systems as well once Sam Champion is playing with it on Good Morning America.[QUOTE="aero250"]Now Microsoft will drop the 360 price again.sexy_robot_man
Natal is next years big push for Microsoft regarding new SKUS.
We still have to wait what MS'a official response to this year's price drop of the PS3.
This PS3 price drop is not enough to close the gap especially with MS anticipated answer to the price drop.
The only place that is selling this "PS3 slim" dosent even have a picture..... untill I see official proof from Sony i'm going to asume this isn't real.
I never said Gurantee. Commenting on what I believe to happen in the future can be nothing more than a prediction how is this tough to understand? The fact that common sense is a rare commodity in hereis not my problem.sexy_robot_man
He asked for something that guarantees the sales. You answered with a prediction.
This is what it has come down to for the PS3, trying desperatley to gain second place?
rp108
Basically yes.
[QUOTE="sexy_robot_man"]
[QUOTE="rp108"]
This is what it has come down to for the PS3, trying desperatley to gain second place?
NielsNL
Basically yes.
Well that´s an open door. Any company in third please would be trying to get to second place.
but you said """""'''''But in the end sales don´t matter that much to any of us here"""""""""""""[QUOTE="NielsNL"][QUOTE="sexy_robot_man"]
Basically yes.
badtaker
Well that´s an open door. Any company in third please would be trying to get to second place.
but you said """""'''''But in the end sales don´t matter that much to any of us here"""""""""""""Yup. None of us are directly affected by them. Unless you own stock in one of comepting companies that is. And also as long as the system you own sells enough to warrant support for it, which is the case for all systems this gen.
Also has nothing to do with Sony trying to get to second place by the way.
but you said """""'''''But in the end sales don´t matter that much to any of us here"""""""""""""[QUOTE="badtaker"][QUOTE="NielsNL"]
Well that´s an open door. Any company in third please would be trying to get to second place.
NielsNL
Yup. None of us are directly affected by them. Unless you own stock in one of comepting companies that is. And also as long as the system you own sells enough to warrant support for it, which is the case for all systems this gen.
Also has nothing to do with Sony trying to get to second place by the way.
ok fine buddy ,good explanationIsn't Sony already losing a ton of money on the PS3? Is a price cut really going to help them?
Anyways, I think the PS3 might surpass the 360 in lifetime sales. It's been slowly closing the gap.
But you know who I'm really worried for? Nintendo. They have stubbornly stuck to their price of $250. The Wii looks like a total rip-off right now. I expect a huge price cut very soon.
Isn't Sony already losing a ton of money on the PS3? Is a price cut really going to help them?
Anyways, I think the PS3 might surpass the 360 in lifetime sales. It's been slowly closing the gap.
But you know who I'm really worried for? Nintendo. They have stubbornly stuck to their price of $250. The Wii looks like a total rip-off right now. I expect a huge price cut very soon.
shoryuken_
Sony managed to cut production costs by 70% they told in a recent press release.
I think as of the last NPD numbers the gap got wider again.Isn't Sony already losing a ton of money on the PS3? Is a price cut really going to help them?
Anyways, I think the PS3 might surpass the 360 in lifetime sales. It's been slowly closing the gap.
But you know who I'm really worried for? Nintendo. They have stubbornly stuck to their price of $250. The Wii looks like a total rip-off right now. I expect a huge price cut very soon.
shoryuken_
[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="darthogre"] Dropping the price of the Elite is nothing. It's the same thing when Sony phased out their $499 sku back when the PS3 launched and then try to claim they reduced the price of the PS3 from $599 to $499. The only way to make any impact is drop the price of the arcade. What, you want them to start losing money on hardware again? Like I said before, why not just ask for it to be free lol.....um except who says that if the slim is released they stop producing the fat? hmmm? as for that arcade is 200 dollars... lower it by 50? 150 dollars, or they could go lower...we have to remember that microsoft actually makes a profit off their system confirmed that is. then we have the elite, 400 price drop 100? 299 dollars... First off, no one knows ANYTHING except MS. You say they can do this or that, NO...you don't know. If they could afford a price drop on the arcade they wouldn't be fooling around with this elite replacing the pro stuff. If MS is making a profit on X360 arcade then they can prove it with a price cut. They've known that Sony is going to cut the price this year ever since the slim was leaked. So far their only answer is to stop making pro's and just replace it with Elite. So wow, you know get a little bigger hardrive is the only difference. Congrats. Oh and just for the record, it's widely reported that they have STOPPED producing the fat version as you call it. Why would they keep producing a version of the PS3 that is about 40% more expensive to manufacture? Was that a serious question?darthogre
Because... Sony hasn't lowered their price yet?... It was called "rumor" for some reason, :? They could lower the price at the same time when Sony lowered theirs for real you know... make some extra mark-up profit during the last few month is better than cutting the price. Use common sense man
Evidence is from Nintendo, they've always got the ability to lower the price (they confirmed Wii making $50 profit at launch per console) yet after so many price drop from both Sony and MS, they never felt the need to drop it, so by your logic... is Nintendo lying~:roll:
[QUOTE="teh_cell"]Official Confirmation people. I can only imagine how many people are going to put their foot in their mouth when they find out this isn't true.http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/18/sony-ps3-slim-shows-up-for-pre-order-at-kmart-300/
PS3 Slim with 120GB HDD =$300. This pretty much destroys the Xbox360 for this generation.
Animal-Mother
That would be aboslutely halrious if Sony didn't announce the Slim or said "We have no plans to make a Slim at this moment". :lol: System Wars would get really intresting again.....:P
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