All Xbox 360s should be collected and destroyed

I guess you don't like 360 then? The 33% failure rate was from one supplier who guessed this rate; nice accuracy. And why has this lame thread not been locked?

I have been gaming for 18 years now, and I must say the Xbox 360 is BY FARthe worst console I have ever seen.

DarthaPerkinjan

Your post is a joke. Virtual Boy, 3D0, I could go on.

Yeah i got one the other day, why is there only 13gb on the HDD? What takes up the other 7GB?!Jenova_Flare

[QUOTE="DarthaPerkinjan"]

I have been gaming for 18 years now, and I must say the Xbox 360 is BY FARthe worst console I have ever seen.

Blackbond

Your post is a joke. Virtual Boy, 3D0, I could go on.

But I loved my 3DO. :( But I must agree it was worse than the 360, it isn't even close.

I'm a lurker too, but there were a few things mistaken in your post:

Ok, first off, I really doubt 33% of 360's die in the first month. I still have my launch system. I don't know anyone that has had to send a system back. I don't dispute it has a higher than normal failure rate, but you are greatly exagerating. You also have another "Einstein" moment here because NO 360's have ever failed after the warranty expires because it comes with a 3 year warranty and it hasn't even existed that long yet.mnvike

The fact remains that a lot of systems have been dying, and it's gotten to the point where blogs have tracked the progress of their dead 360's (see Kotaku and X360 Fanboy). The other note is that the 3-year warranty applies only to the RRoD's, and everything else that goes wrong with the machine - disk scratching, power brick malfunctions, hard drive failures - are only one year deals, so yes many machines are out of warranty. Hence the semi-serious joke about bricking your X360 to the point it flashes RRoD's.

"- Making users pay for Xbox Live while their console is being fixed" - Dude. So it takes a few weeks to get it back. Whats that cost you? Live is less than $5 a month. So you wasted at most $4.mnvike

They're actually giving you a month's Gold subscription as compensation for lost time, so this isn't a bad deal at all. Having to go w/o your console for a few weeks does kinda suck, though.

Never happened to me. Of course I've never moved my 360 while it was running.mnvike

People need to stop using their own personal experience as evidence that it never happens or assume that all these hardware issues are user-caused. I've never had my 360 scratch my disks but I don't pretend that the reports out there are fake and that people who do take care of their machines still face these issues.

...and this is illegal how? You don't want one that works?mnvike

Not illegal, but given that you've paid for new unused hardware, it's a shame that you're getting back a used one - if people had wanted to buy a used console, they wouldn't have bought it retail at full price. Granted, many product exchange policies do the same thing in giving people refurbished replacements; in this case it's really just the scale of the problem that makes it more noticable.

It is loud. Don't consider it obnoxious. I game on a home theater system, so to be honest, other than when a game first boots up, I don't even hear the system. I guess if you keep you volume at 1 and don't want your mommy and daddy to know your up late playing video games, maybe its an issue?mnvike

Weak ad hominem. The fact remains that the system fan and especially the DVD drive are loud.

I have the 20GM model. Space has never been an issue for me. I networkit to the PC for my music. Where are these 6GB demos your finding?mnvike

Eh, most demos are ~1GB in size, so he's right in the sense that a few demos will take up half your HDD space in a hurry. It's no worse than working with limited hard drive space in PC's, although it's annoying that d/l'ing movies are limited and that 360 hard drives are both expensive and cannot be used at the same time (by that, I mean that Microsoft requires that you transfer everything over, you can't have a "spare hard drive" and use all its space).

HDMI is just now starting to become fairly reliable. DARN you Microsoft for giving me a SWEET next gen system with AAA games for a full year before the competition at the expense of some new fangled cable. If it means that much to you, just use VGA. I'm using component on a 50" plasma Pioneer and couldn't be happier.mnvike

Eh, I don't care much about HDMI either. It's just spin to say that the current HDMI-equipped 360's are somehow a bad thing.

Not sure what your even talking about here. I guess all I can say is "Don't buy it". I didn't. By the way, 1st party console accessories have been grossly overpriced since the beginning of time. Microsoft didn't start this practice.mnvike

He's talking about buying a replacement 360 hard drive, only from Microsoft, for a ridiculous price. The problem here is that Microsoft's lockdown means that you cannot get a third party drive as a replacement, and you are stuck with their overpriced model. 1st party accessories are expensive, yes, but Microsoft's been the one locking out any 3rd party alternatives (see: WiFi adapter) and charging licensing fees (see: wireless guitars).

It isn't required. Buy the $40 PC one. It will work fine.mnvike

It is; the closest thing you'll get is connecting a router to it with some tweaking.

The point, I feel, is that Microsoft is hiding behind their claim of faux "options" in grossly overcharging on their accessories and locking out competition. The free market works when suppliers compete on product quality and price, so that when something is expensive, people will not buy it and it drops in price to raise demand. When a company holds a monopoly, the consumer no longer has market forces to drive down prices to a fair point, so they have to pay whatever is charged of them.

OH THE HUMANITY!!! There is a power brick sitting behind my entertainment center that no one will ever see. I FEEL SO ABUSED!!!mnvike

Eh, it speaks more to the inefficient design of the 360 more than anything else. I don't think anybody would try to argue that the 360 is well-designed on a hardware level.

First off, its at most $50. Secondly, every game reviewer in the last 5 years has had nothing but positive things to say about xbox live. I guess you know better than them? Find me one "expert" who thinks PSN or Nintendo have better online plans than Microsoft. It blows me away when you geniuses start trying to rip on xbox live. Its one of the coolest things to happen to gaming in a long time.

to be continued...mnvike

Difference between providing quality online services and having to charge for them. The majority of what makes XBL great are available on Silver - as someone already pointed out, all you get out of Gold is online host-based multiplayer, and sadly it is a ripoff.

Fact of the matter is, with xbox360 you get a huge selection of quality games and more than your fair share of AAA games to choose from. Today! With PS3 and Wii you do not. I'll take my huge selection of games right now over a couple games coming out 'in the future' that will 'probably' be good.mnvike

Agreed, 360 wins in software, not so much in hardware.

Mass Effect is a FPS? Is Oblivion too? All I can say is I'm not a big FPS fan, but I find Bioshock to be very cool and am REALLY looking forward to Mass Effect.mnvike

Eh, his point here makes no sense.

FLAT OUT FALSE. Microsoft already announced they did not cut any checks and several media sources have already disproved this rumor. The money came from Toshiba and the HD-DVD group. Paramount has given many technical reasons why they preferHD-DVD but I would expect you to understand them. To summarize, the HD-DVD spec is set and it is very easy to program the interactivity for. Its also cheaper to produce and players will be hitting the affordable price range (less than $200)this holiday season.mnvike

I suggest you read this article; don't kid yourself, Microsoft has a lot to gain from HD-DVD winning and locking in their HDi format. None of that matters, though; the market will decide what it wants regardless of technical superiority or money thrown around, and I don't fault Microsoft or Toshiba for doing what they are to try to boost HD-DVD.

Are you a Sony fanboy? Microsoft is part of the HD-DVD group. Of course that is the media they are going to go with. At least they give console buyers the choice. Sony is ramming bluray down people's throats and it looks like it is going to backfire on them big time.mnvike

Oh please, no more of this "choice" thing - you also have the "choice" not to buy a PS3, just as much as you have a choice of not buying the HD-DVD addon, but it doesn't change the fact that they're both expensive.

There isn't one thing above that breaks the law. If you really want to get the FCC involved I guess you should bring suit about too much joyful swearing on xbox live.mnvike

Agreed, sensationalism.

OMG your post RULES!!Its exactly what i was thinking about but couldntexpress all the time

[QUOTE="manningbowl135"]to why it fails at a rate of 33%.

33%

33%

Can I see a link please? And not a link that has an eb employee and one sydney retailer confirming the numbers.

Verge_6

You know as well as I do that the Sony fans can't provide ANYTHING to back those two up. They'll go and spout it repeatedly, but when ONE person asks for how they got those numbers and proof to back it up, they vanish. Such is the Sony fan way, it seems.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/08/xbox_gamers02.html

seeing as how your to lazy to google it here you go kiddies have fun :D

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="lespaul00"]

LegendofYaslint

my xbox live subscription came with 1 game, on year of 'live and a free communicator.

that's a lot of stuff for $49....

to have a secured online infrastructure is worth the money, imo.

once the ps3 gets hacked, PSN is going to blow even worse than now...;)

And the 'secured online' has already been cracked by modders - and will eventually end up like XBL on XBox1 - thanks to there being no in game security, because MS assumes a private network would remain secure.

You dont even get dedicated servers...... You dont get anti cheater software....... You get jack s***.

Hell even the download servers become bottle-necked, and XBL connections here in Australia are pathetic.

Its a scam.

Hell im lucky I payed 1/2 price........ I couldn't bring myself to pay RRP. It is impossible to justify paying for live gold.

And the sad thing is MS knows it - they are simply laughing all the way to the bank.

They do a better job of milking the consumer than Sony does.

And this is coming from a currently predominately PC and 360 gamer.....

You do realize all those features that you get w/ silver are pretty much useless and are only on silver to attract you to get the gold account right?

Is live perfect? No.

But to say it's the "biggest scam ever!!!!!!" is pretty silly. I find it to be a vastly superior experience than playing online on other consoles. Yes, MS is trying to make back some of the money they lose by selling their systems for a loss. But they still aren't in the black so it's not like they are "laughing all the way to the bank". They are still losing $ on their console efforts to get a good share of the market.

If you don't like LIVE enough to pay for it then fine, but many are happy to pay the small fee of $50 a year so they can have a much better experience than they do w/ any other console.

I'll take PC gaming over anything else, but when I play online on a console, I'm going to buy the game on the 360 if I have the choice.

And yet those features are standard on both a silver account even though you get better use of them on a gold account.

Yes it is the best online console experience - MS does have a great history with their software dontchknow..... And Sony + Nintendo cannot compare with their interfaces.

However you are wrong about MS not making profit with their System. They started making profit from each system late 2006, and they gain profir from each games sold, hardware - 1st and 3rd party, OXM magazine, hell the list goes on.

You could argue its in effort to make the porfit they have lost from the development, marketing, initial manfacturing and the huge RROD problem - but your wrong again - MS was ripping gamers off with online since the original Xbox, and continue the trend, as they know its an extremelly easy way to earn profit.

... And they have the nerve to litter the XMB with ads - even if your a paying user.

Now as you say your a PC gamer im pretty sure your more than aware of STEAM....... This is a perfect example of how MS should tackle online. Its a free service, offers the community, account, interface, freinds list, server hosting - dedicated servers, constant updates of the games and the platform - from visual to technical, online store, huge tech support, catalouge of modifications and media, free content, acess to competitions - the list goes on.

XBL is not the biggest scam ever - I dont know why you acted like such a fool decided to invent a quote ( "biggest scam ever!!!!!!" ) - great job looking mature - have you know Bottled Water is one of the biggest scams ever.

And you can say that paying for a years XBL isnt alot of money, but I beg to differ. You are paying for a service that is FREE and standard on every other platform, and trying to justify the purchase. With that ($89 AUD) you have spent on the 'privilage' to play online for a year, you could have bought a game that you would continue to play for many years....

XBL is a great intergrated interface - But remember, the interface itself, profiles ect. come with the console - Wheras gold, simply gives you acess to playing games online - not even adding any other online gaming benifits (no dedicated servers wtf). It IS a scam and joke that we gamers have to pay to play extra ontop of our console purcahse, to play games online each year, regardless of how fantastic the interface is.

That is the reality of it.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="lespaul00"]

This is what I pay $49.99 ayear for:

A closed gaming network that actively detects and bans modded boxes. That alone is worth it to me.

Which is active regardless of paying users. Hell you dont pay for Vac or Punkbuster - with PC games.

Functional cross-game invites

Its part of the interface... You dont have to pay to use it. You pay to play it online

Structure supporting a self-governing community:
Gamerzone
Rep
Feedback
Prefer/Avoid status
TruSkill matchmaking
People like Major Nelson and Trixie that actively involved with the community

All free on Silver. This is standard.....

Tournaments and events like Game with Fame
MVP, Ambassador and Community Developer Programs

And thats it with Gold.... privilage to play online, and he entitled to these things..... That are free on both the PC and PS3 platform.

LegendofYaslint

Now I like XBox Live, but honestly you cant justify the $59 purchase. You are - in a nutshel - paying to play games online. Its a god damn scam.

Look the 360 isnt perfect - but RrOD, and paying for Xbox live are the biggest downsides of the console. Thats it.

Its impossible to justify either.

my xbox live subscription came with 1 game, on year of 'live and a free communicator.

that's a lot of stuff for $49....

to have a secured online infrastructure is worth the money, imo.

once the ps3 gets hacked, PSN is going to blow even worse than now...;)

And the 'secured online' has already been cracked by modders - and will eventually end up like XBL on XBox1 - thanks to there being no in game security, because MS assumes a private network would remain secure.

You dont even get dedicated servers...... You dont get anti cheater software....... You get jack s***.

Hell even the download servers become bottle-necked, and XBL connections here in Australia are pathetic.

Its a scam.

Hell im lucky I payed 1/2 price........ I couldn't bring myself to pay RRP. It is impossible to justify paying for live gold.

And the sad thing is MS knows it - they are simply laughing all the way to the bank.

They do a better job of milking the consumer than Sony does.

And this is coming from a currently predominately PC and 360 gamer.....

You do realize all those features that you get w/ silver are pretty much useless and are only on silver to attract you to get the gold account right?

Is live perfect? No.

But to say it's the "biggest scam ever!!!!!!" is pretty silly. I find it to be a vastly superior experience than playing online on other consoles. Yes, MS is trying to make back some of the money they lose by selling their systems for a loss. But they still aren't in the black so it's not like they are "laughing all the way to the bank". They are still losing $ on their console efforts to get a good share of the market.

If you don't like LIVE enough to pay for it then fine, but many are happy to pay the small fee of $50 a year so they can have a much better experience than they do w/ any other console.

I'll take PC gaming over anything else, but when I play online on a console, I'm going to buy the game on the 360 if I have the choice.

And yet those features are standard on both a silver account even though you get better use of them on a gold account.

Yes it is the best online console experience - MS does have a great history with their software dontchknow..... And Sony + Nintendo cannot compare with their interfaces.

However you are wrong about MS not making profit with their System. They started making profit from each system late 2006, and they gain profir from each games sold, hardware - 1st and 3rd party, OXM magazine, hell the list goes on.

You could argue its in effort to make the porfit they have lost from the development, marketing, initial manfacturing and the huge RROD problem - but your wrong again - MS was ripping gamers off with online since the original Xbox, and continue the trend, as they know its an extremelly easy way to earn profit.

... And they have the nerve to litter the XMB with ads - even if your a paying user.

Now as you say your a PC gamer im pretty sure your more than aware of STEAM....... This is a perfect example of how MS should tackle online. Its a free service, offers the community, account, interface, freinds list, server hosting - dedicated servers, constant updates of the games and the platform - from visual to technical, online store, huge tech support, catalouge of modifications and media, free content, acess to competitions - the list goes on.

XBL is not the biggest scam ever - I dont know why you acted like such a fool decided to invent a quote ( "biggest scam ever!!!!!!" ) - great job looking mature - have you know Bottled Water is one of the biggest scams ever.

And you can say that paying for a years XBL isnt alot of money, but I beg to differ. You are paying for a service that is FREE and standard on every other platform, and trying to justify the purchase. With that ($89 AUD) you have spent on the 'privilage' to play online for a year, you could have bought a game that you would continue to play for many years....

XBL is a great intergrated interface - But remember, the interface itself, profiles ect. come with the console - Wheras gold, simply gives you acess to playing games online - not even adding any other online gaming benifits (no dedicated servers wtf). It IS a scam and joke that we gamers have to pay to play extra ontop of our console purcahse, to play games online each year, regardless of how fantastic the interface is.

That is the reality of it.

This sounds like a lot of whining to me. I love my 360.Foolio1

Yeah i got one the other day, why is there only 13gb on the HDD? What takes up the other 7GB?!Jenova_Flare

Its called demos, and other misc stuff that is on there, go on there and delete it. As far as the TC I really have nothing to say to you, honestly I think I threw up in my mouth when I read your thread. :roll:

Yeah i got one the other day, why is there only 13gb on the HDD? What takes up the other 7GB?!Jenova_Flare

Backward Compatability stuff. My 360 got 3 red lights today, then it was fine after i turned it off and on again, now my screen keeps freezing because of some corrupt save data, MS say i have to delete it! what the heck?

I think they just need to be collected...most of them already killed themselves... :|

My friends 360 went into "8 bit sprite mode"...and crashed... We were playing Burnout Revenge, with his iPod hooked up into it so we can listen to music. I brought up the blade and attempted to change song, it change (the title did) so I went back to the game pause menu...and then...

The screen turned black and popped back up with every single non 3D rendered object (sprite) looked purple, green, and all the other 8 bit colors...Blocks...Giant colorful block on a56"1080i big screen...

It did work again after restarting a few times. But while we tried to restart the console, we enjoyed the nonstop rumble of the controller against the skull... It feels funny lol..

None the less...its depressing.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="LegendofYaslint"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="lespaul00"]

tango90101

You do realize all those features that you get w/ silver are pretty much useless and are only on silver to attract you to get the gold account right?

Is live perfect? No.

But to say it's the "biggest scam ever!!!!!!" is pretty silly. I find it to be a vastly superior experience than playing online on other consoles. Yes, MS is trying to make back some of the money they lose by selling their systems for a loss. But they still aren't in the black so it's not like they are "laughing all the way to the bank". They are still losing $ on their console efforts to get a good share of the market.

If you don't like LIVE enough to pay for it then fine, but many are happy to pay the small fee of $50 a year so they can have a much better experience than they do w/ any other console.

I'll take PC gaming over anything else, but when I play online on a console, I'm going to buy the game on the 360 if I have the choice.

And yet those features are standard on both a silver account even though you get better use of them on a gold account.

Yes it is the best online console experience - MS does have a great history with their software dontchknow..... And Sony + Nintendo cannot compare with their interfaces.

However you are wrong about MS not making profit with their System. They started making profit from each system late 2006, and they gain profir from each games sold, hardware - 1st and 3rd party, OXM magazine, hell the list goes on.

You could argue its in effort to make the porfit they have lost from the development, marketing, initial manfacturing and the huge RROD problem - but your wrong again - MS was ripping gamers off with online since the original Xbox, and continue the trend, as they know its an extremelly easy way to earn profit.

... And they have the nerve to litter the XMB with ads - even if your a paying user.

Now as you say your a PC gamer im pretty sure your more than aware of STEAM....... This is a perfect example of how MS should tackle online. Its a free service, offers the community, account, interface, freinds list, server hosting - dedicated servers, constant updates of the games and the platform - from visual to technical, online store, huge tech support, catalouge of modifications and media, free content, acess to competitions - the list goes on.

XBL is not the biggest scam ever - I dont know why you acted like such a fool decided to invent a quote ( "biggest scam ever!!!!!!" ) - great job looking mature - have you know Bottled Water is one of the biggest scams ever.

And you can say that paying for a years XBL isnt alot of money, but I beg to differ. You are paying for a service that is FREE and standard on every other platform, and trying to justify the purchase. With that ($89 AUD) you have spent on the 'privilage' to play online for a year, you could have bought a game that you would continue to play for many years....

XBL is a great intergrated interface - But remember, the interface itself, profiles ect. come with the console - Wheras gold, simply gives you acess to playing games online - not even adding any other online gaming benifits (no dedicated servers wtf). It IS a scam and joke that we gamers have to pay to play extra ontop of our console purcahse, to play games online each year, regardless of how fantastic the interface is.

That is the reality of it.

you're so full of it your eyes should bebrown....:roll:

:lol:

you said paying for what every other service does for free? b.s...

:lol: Uh no I said the service of online play was free on every other platform. Great one champ :roll:

what console service has EVERYTHING xbox live has? hint: none.

While PSN isnt up to standard of XBL, it has the ability to catch up. Did I ever say all the other consoles had everything XBL had? No. :roll:

and for the last time: DEDICATED SERVERS blow as they will have their plugged pulled eventually..

:lol: Wow you are confirmed as a total fool :lol: Please go tell the CS dedicated servers that have been going for 6 years, keeping the worlds most popular online game... Still popular. Oh hell try and pitch your fantastic logic to any smart gamer :lol:

and i guess the customer service of 'live is free? the money has to come from somewhere.

Like I said - Nintendo, Sony - devs like Valve, EA, Ubisoft - hell EVERYONE has free customer service - for games and platforms. Great logic again.

i find it hilarious that you, as a hermit, can invest over a $1,000 in a pc gaming rig w/o batting an eye, then whine like a little girl at $50 a YEAR...:roll:

:lol: I think its halarious that you keep basing each argument on dumb logic :lol:

Ahaha ive spent way under a grand onmy Computer and can safely assume that you are just another fanboy who is willing to be milked by MS for all they are worth.

funny thing tho; if you had live you'd know there is NO whining from 'live players to the cost..

I HAVE Live :lol: Hahahaha :lol: I HAVE an Xbox 360 :lol:

just whining from those W/O 'live.... ie; you.

OMG you are hilarious :lol: Ahhh ignorance is a bliss, until reality hits you isnt it? :lol:

face it; it's a valued service. so much so that people CHOOSE to pay $50 a year...

How is it a valued service? If XBL Gold didnt give you the ability to play online, would you still buy it?

noobs...:roll:

:lol: Yea nice to see you described yourself with one simple word.

what else COWS going to say? after one game after another flopping they have no hope now. so they wish for this.

in other words even COWs have lost hope :lol:

what else COWS going to say? after one game after another flopping they have no hope now. so they wish for this.

in other words even COWs have lost hope :lol:

Areola54

If anything its surprisingly good....

what would I play then ?

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="manningbowl135"]to why it fails at a rate of 33%.

33%

33%

Can I see a link please? And not a link that has an eb employee and one sydney retailer confirming the numbers.

sparkypants

You know as well as I do that the Sony fans can't provide ANYTHING to back those two up. They'll go and spout it repeatedly, but when ONE person asks for how they got those numbers and proof to back it up, they vanish. Such is the Sony fan way, it seems.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/08/xbox_gamers02.html

seeing as how your to lazy to google it here you go kiddies have fun :D

Year old articles FTL.

You sir know what you're talking aboutKiuk

got that right

360 is just as pathetic

got that right

360 is just as pathetic

amourkiss

That is fine if that is your opinion; however, TC is trying to incite mob justice when it comes to consoles. Threads like this are over the top and ridiculous. Some of you people are straight out of a Ray Bradbury novel.

[QUOTE="Kiuk"]You sir know what you're talking aboutShaqneel

The worst part about this thread is the people praising it. This guy, who obviously has never formlated an inteligent argument in his life, proposes to burn all xbox 360s, and you guys act like its the second coming of "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair. Let me guess, a great way to halt illegal immigration is to stick 12 million people in busses and drive them back to mexico too right? .

Funny, I got a small check a couple of years ago from Sony when they lost the lawsuit brought up against them from all the people who had bad PS-2's.

jbeen

But that was the last generation. Not this one. ANd if there's any consolation to that hardware failure was that Sony's seems to have learned from their error evidenced by the durability of the PS3. And even with the failures of PS2 it wasn't an out and out epidemic like 360 failure is.

The worst part about this thread is the people praising it. This guy, who obviously has never formlated an inteligent argument in his life, proposes to burn all xbox 360s, and you guys act like its the second coming of "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair. Let me guess, a great way to halt illegal immigration is to stick 12 million people in busses and drive them back to mexico too right?

CaN_U_DiGiT454

Well obviously that's not a realistic proposal. He's just saying that they should all be rounded up and the people that purchased them should be given a functioning product with all the "elite" features and a harddrive. In a way, he's on the side of the consumer. BTW, I loved "The Jungle." Had a sick ending.

Is this some form of pathetic damage control after seeing the IGN Lair review?

Yea what a great idea!!! Let's round up and burn all the xbox 360's so that everyone this generation can be f**ked....just like the cows!Palax

Is this some form of pathetic damage control after seeing the IGN Lair review?

Oni_Ookami

Is this some form of pathetic damage control after seeing the IGN Lair review?

Oni_Ookami

Yes, pretty much. ;)

Gotta find some way to justify paying $600 for a blu-ray player with game controller ports.

It's more reliable, althought those 7-8 layers of dust on it can't be good for the system. :lol:

[QUOTE="Oni_Ookami"]

Is this some form of pathetic damage control after seeing the IGN Lair review?

SumerianDaemon

It was posted yesterday :|