Am I the only one who thinks Mass Effect looks really boring?

What I like:

On the fly dialouge manipulation to customize your characters personality. If you're quick enough, it looks just like a natural cutscene. Terrific voice acting and overall musical score from what I've heard thus far. Best looking 360 game graphically, though the facial work is widely overrated. They did good with the eyes, but compared to Uncharted and HS's motion captured work it's nothing. Being able to switch weapons and clothing as quickly as you can in the game is also a nice touch.

What I don't like:

It looks boring. The cover system is definetely not up to par with today's standards (though I know that's not the emphasis). The game moves quite slow. Gun fights look lame. The overall presentation of the game just seems to be one giant bag of over-exagerrated physics. And why does EVERY 360 killer-app have to be a futuristic shooter of sorts? Halo, Gears of War and now this....it's getting cliche. Story looks to be a mixed bag of a Star Wars ripoff, including it's cutscene presentation.

Links that I'm basing my opinion on:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/22841.html

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24126.html

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24112.html

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/718/718963/vids_2.html - a whole bunch of videos, the best I've seen thus far.

I didnt like the part wher eyou have to pause teh game and select your skills to use, it made the game look slow pace.

It was the only game I was jealous of on the 360, but after seeing some gameplay about a month ago, I found it stupid that you could pause the gameplay, look around and point the weapon at ur enemy then shoot, and do it OVER AND OVER AGAIN!

WDF!?

It was the only game I was jealous of on the 360, but after seeing some gameplay about a month ago, I found it stupid that you could pause the gameplay, look around and point the weapon at ur enemy then shoot, and do it OVER AND OVER AGAIN!

WDF!?

therealmcc0y

Yeah, I know. I saw that in the IGN vids. That seems.....kinda cheap eh?

yeah you are...by the way you are sounding very fanboy like in your arguments, but hey..you probably are!!agni_1

yeah you are...by the way you are sounding very fanboy like in your arguments, but hey..you probably are!!agni_1

Judging by some early posts, I'm not. Nice to see I'm not the only one here who feels this way. And for the record, prior to my watching of the latest trailers and gameplay footage, I was debating getting a 360 to check this out based almost entirely on hype. Glad I didn't.

Depends what you expect out of the game. As a stand-alone third person shooter, it's quite dull. As an RPG, Bioware will not disappoint.

[QUOTE="therealmcc0y"]

It was the only game I was jealous of on the 360, but after seeing some gameplay about a month ago, I found it stupid that you could pause the gameplay, look around and point the weapon at ur enemy then shoot, and do it OVER AND OVER AGAIN!

WDF!?

Nathan_Drake

Yeah, I know. I saw that in the IGN vids. That seems.....kinda cheap eh?

*looks at username/avatar*

ok.. :|

yeah you are...by the way you are sounding very fanboy like in your arguments, but hey..you probably are!!agni_1

It doesn't sound like he's a fanboy. It just doesn't sound as though it's his sort of game.

I have to point out that the biggest fanboys are the ones who are hyping Mass Effect when they've never even played a Bioware RPG before. The only reason that they are hyping it is because it's on the Xbox360.

It's a bioware RPG. If you enjoyed their past games like NWN, Baldur's Gate and KOTOR then there is a good chance you will enjoy it. If not then it's still possible you could enjoy it or maybe an action type game, JRPG or other style of game would be more your cup of tea.JimmyT2

I wouldn't judge a game by the past of it's creator... I think it'll score high on graphics, but that's all...

Just mad its not on your console?

I wouldn't judge a game by the past of it's creator... general_KDI

Are you kidding? That's the best way to be excited for a game. Bioware are goodman! :o

[QUOTE="JimmyT2"]It's a bioware RPG. If you enjoyed their past games like NWN, Baldur's Gate and KOTOR then there is a good chance you will enjoy it. If not then it's still possible you could enjoy it or maybe an action type game, JRPG or other style of game would be more your cup of tea.general_KDI

I wouldn't judge a game by the past of it's creator... I think it'll score high on graphics, but that's all...

Yeah, we all know how Factor 5 did with Lair...:roll:

[QUOTE="general_KDI"]I wouldn't judge a game by the past of it's creator... Lilac_Benjie

Are you kidding? That's the best way to be excited for a game. Bioware are goodman! :o

Just like Factor 5 i guess...

[QUOTE="general_KDI"]

[QUOTE="JimmyT2"]It's a bioware RPG. If you enjoyed their past games like NWN, Baldur's Gate and KOTOR then there is a good chance you will enjoy it. If not then it's still possible you could enjoy it or maybe an action type game, JRPG or other style of game would be more your cup of tea.Nathan_Drake

I wouldn't judge a game by the past of it's creator... I think it'll score high on graphics, but that's all...

Yeah, we all know how Factor 5 did with Lair...:roll:

I'm not judging the quality but the style. If you want a shooter then Mass Effect was never going to be the game for you. If you want an RPG then it probably will be the type of game you would enjoy. Bioware also has one of the best records in gaming but I won't argue the point.

Leave the name alone for one topic. I honestly really wanted to play this before and still raise an eyebrow to it. I do like a lot of the game, but it just doesn't seem to click when I watch gameplay footage.Nathan_Drake

As one poster already mentioned.. it just doesn't help your argument.. especially in here... Anyway.. The combat seem's good from my perspective and the pause/selection parts of it are for the RPG elements. You pause and contemplate where to place your squad and or what weapons to use. It's kinda like a Shooter/RPG/RTS IMHO. I think it's a cool idea..

[QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"]

[QUOTE="general_KDI"]I wouldn't judge a game by the past of it's creator... groudyogre

Are you kidding? That's the best way to be excited for a game. Bioware are goodman! :o

Just like Factor 5 i guess...

Ok I will argue the point. Did factor 5 have the two most highly rated games on gamerankings in the genre it was attempting? Bioware has the two highest rated RPGs and they are easily two of the best games in the history of gaming. Please don't compare factor 5 to bioware, it's just insulting.

[QUOTE="groudyogre"][QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"]

[QUOTE="general_KDI"]I wouldn't judge a game by the past of it's creator... JimmyT2

Are you kidding? That's the best way to be excited for a game. Bioware are goodman! :o

Just like Factor 5 i guess...

Ok I will argue the point. Did factor 5 have the two most highly rated game in the genre it was attempting? Bioware has the two highest rated RPGs and they are easily two of the best games in the history of gaming. Please don't compare factor 5 to bioware, it's just insulting.

Everybody has different tastes. There are people who find MGS, Halo, and Mario boring.

As long as you aknowledge that Mass Effect has incredible potential to be an amazing game, there is nothing wrong with what you believe about the game. I personally find Metal Gear Solid boring, but I do aknowledge that it's a great series.

[QUOTE="Nathan_Drake"][QUOTE="general_KDI"]

[QUOTE="JimmyT2"]It's a bioware RPG. If you enjoyed their past games like NWN, Baldur's Gate and KOTOR then there is a good chance you will enjoy it. If not then it's still possible you could enjoy it or maybe an action type game, JRPG or other style of game would be more your cup of tea.JimmyT2

I wouldn't judge a game by the past of it's creator... I think it'll score high on graphics, but that's all...

Yeah, we all know how Factor 5 did with Lair...:roll:

I'm not judging the quality but the style. If you want a shooter then Mass Effect was never going to be the game for you. If you want an RPG then it probably will be the type of game you would enjoy. Bioware also has one of the best records in gaming but I won't argue the point.

I'm an FF veteran of 15 years. Still got my NES Gold Cartridge of Final Fantasy. Thing about RPGs for me, is they have to present constant tactical need. They must feel like a game of wits at all times, man-o-a-man-o, like a game of chess but with swords and magic. What Mass Effect present to me is an RPG experience that is more about the rash shoot-em up mentallity rather than anything truly strategic. I've seen what you can do with attacks by pausing the game and just kinda focusing on whatever you want to simply own them, but the enemies never seem like a challenge in such situations and still seem to base their strategy they same way an FPS enemy would. This is definetely a problem I have with this game.

[QUOTE="JimmyT2"][QUOTE="Nathan_Drake"][QUOTE="general_KDI"]

[QUOTE="JimmyT2"]It's a bioware RPG. If you enjoyed their past games like NWN, Baldur's Gate and KOTOR then there is a good chance you will enjoy it. If not then it's still possible you could enjoy it or maybe an action type game, JRPG or other style of game would be more your cup of tea.Nathan_Drake

I wouldn't judge a game by the past of it's creator... I think it'll score high on graphics, but that's all...

Yeah, we all know how Factor 5 did with Lair...:roll:

I'm not judging the quality but the style. If you want a shooter then Mass Effect was never going to be the game for you. If you want an RPG then it probably will be the type of game you would enjoy. Bioware also has one of the best records in gaming but I won't argue the point.

I'm an FF veteran of 15 years. Still got my NES Gold Cartridge of Final Fantasy. Thing about RPGs for me, is they have to present constant tactical need. They must feel like a game of wits at all times, man-o-a-man-o, like a game of chess but with swords and magic. What Mass Effect present to me is an RPG experience that is more about the rash shoot-em up mentallity rather than anything truly strategic. I've seen what you can do with attacks by pausing the game and just kinda focusing on whatever you want to simply own them, but the enemies never seem like a challenge in such situations and still seem to base their strategy they same way an FPS enemy would. This is definetely a problem I have with this game.

I see it as the opposite. While Halo is run and gun, Mass effect is Pause, Assess (I cant spell =[ ) the situation, give commands and orders accordingly to the enemies and the situation, and then execute. Being able to pause and look around greatly increases the tactical nature of it -- and as a side effect, makes it slower pace and "boring". Do you really think that the pausing feature doesn't indeed make the game a lot more like chess?

funny how all the fanboys from other consoles thinks so.

must mean the game is really exciting and they are just bitter.

don't buy the game if you don't like it. since you don't have the console, it's pointless to buy the game anyways

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[QUOTE="Nathan_Drake"][QUOTE="JimmyT2"][QUOTE="Nathan_Drake"][QUOTE="general_KDI"]

[QUOTE="JimmyT2"]It's a bioware RPG. If you enjoyed their past games like NWN, Baldur's Gate and KOTOR then there is a good chance you will enjoy it. If not then it's still possible you could enjoy it or maybe an action type game, JRPG or other style of game would be more your cup of tea.Apathetic-Irony

I wouldn't judge a game by the past of it's creator... I think it'll score high on graphics, but that's all...

Yeah, we all know how Factor 5 did with Lair...:roll:

I'm not judging the quality but the style. If you want a shooter then Mass Effect was never going to be the game for you. If you want an RPG then it probably will be the type of game you would enjoy. Bioware also has one of the best records in gaming but I won't argue the point.

I'm an FF veteran of 15 years. Still got my NES Gold Cartridge of Final Fantasy. Thing about RPGs for me, is they have to present constant tactical need. They must feel like a game of wits at all times, man-o-a-man-o, like a game of chess but with swords and magic. What Mass Effect present to me is an RPG experience that is more about the rash shoot-em up mentallity rather than anything truly strategic. I've seen what you can do with attacks by pausing the game and just kinda focusing on whatever you want to simply own them, but the enemies never seem like a challenge in such situations and still seem to base their strategy they same way an FPS enemy would. This is definetely a problem I have with this game.

I see it as the opposite. While Halo is run and gun, Mass effect is Pause, Assess (I cant spell =[ ) the situation, give commands and orders accordingly to the enemies and the situation, and then execute. Being able to pause and look around greatly increases the tactical nature of it -- and as a side effect, makes it slower pace and "boring". Do you really think that the pausing feature doesn't indeed make the game a lot more like chess?

Not when you're the only one with any sort of strategical advantage. I've heard nothing about AI flank or communication abilities to counter your ability to pause and freeze target. It just doesn't seem fair at all and also could get kinda boring after a while if it weren't balanced out by something some time in the game.

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hobbit93

He has a legit complaint with the game, and articulated his point very well. Nowhere do I see that he really bashes the game, just expesses distaste for the style. Grow up.

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hobbit93

Guy with Halo 3 pic. What's your point?

If you compared KOTOR to action games like NG and DMC, it would look pretty boring too. However, it's not an action game. It's an RPG, and the highest rated one of all time at that.

Nobody is buying Mass Effect for its shooting elements.

[QUOTE="Apathetic-Irony"][QUOTE="Nathan_Drake"][QUOTE="JimmyT2"][QUOTE="Nathan_Drake"][QUOTE="general_KDI"]

[QUOTE="JimmyT2"]It's a bioware RPG. If you enjoyed their past games like NWN, Baldur's Gate and KOTOR then there is a good chance you will enjoy it. If not then it's still possible you could enjoy it or maybe an action type game, JRPG or other style of game would be more your cup of tea.Nathan_Drake

I wouldn't judge a game by the past of it's creator... I think it'll score high on graphics, but that's all...

Yeah, we all know how Factor 5 did with Lair...:roll:

I'm not judging the quality but the style. If you want a shooter then Mass Effect was never going to be the game for you. If you want an RPG then it probably will be the type of game you would enjoy. Bioware also has one of the best records in gaming but I won't argue the point.

I'm an FF veteran of 15 years. Still got my NES Gold Cartridge of Final Fantasy. Thing about RPGs for me, is they have to present constant tactical need. They must feel like a game of wits at all times, man-o-a-man-o, like a game of chess but with swords and magic. What Mass Effect present to me is an RPG experience that is more about the rash shoot-em up mentallity rather than anything truly strategic. I've seen what you can do with attacks by pausing the game and just kinda focusing on whatever you want to simply own them, but the enemies never seem like a challenge in such situations and still seem to base their strategy they same way an FPS enemy would. This is definetely a problem I have with this game.

I see it as the opposite. While Halo is run and gun, Mass effect is Pause, Assess (I cant spell =[ ) the situation, give commands and orders accordingly to the enemies and the situation, and then execute. Being able to pause and look around greatly increases the tactical nature of it -- and as a side effect, makes it slower pace and "boring". Do you really think that the pausing feature doesn't indeed make the game a lot more like chess?

Not when you're the only one with any sort of strategical advantage. I've heard nothing about AI flank or communication abilities to counter your ability to pause and freeze target. It just doesn't seem fair at all and also could get kinda boring after a while if it weren't balanced out by something some time in the game.

I agree, but then again, I've also seen videos where the developers get destroyed in a mission. Twice in a row. Luckly for RPGs though, story is also a big part of the game. Even if Bio drops the ball on gameplay, and it's just a mediocre experience, large customizablility and an enticing story can really make up for it.

[QUOTE="hobbit93"]

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Apathetic-Irony

He has a legit complaint with the game, and articulated his point very well. Nowhere do I see that he really bashes the game, just expesses distaste for the style. Grow up.

you fail

Not when you're the only one with any sort of strategical advantage. I've heard nothing about AI flank or communication abilities to counter your ability to pause and freeze target. It just doesn't seem fair at all and also could get kinda boring after a while if it weren't balanced out by something some time in the game.Nathan_Drake

The computer needs to pause? How long do you think AI computations take? It also doesn't have to graple with a human interface device. Anyway this isn't the first Bioware RPG with a pause function and it has worked well in the past.

[QUOTE="Apathetic-Irony"][QUOTE="hobbit93"]

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hobbit93

He has a legit complaint with the game, and articulated his point very well. Nowhere do I see that he really bashes the game, just expesses distaste for the style. Grow up.

you fail

Then why don't you provide some "concrete detail" for the contrary?

[QUOTE="Nathan_Drake"]Not when you're the only one with any sort of strategical advantage. I've heard nothing about AI flank or communication abilities to counter your ability to pause and freeze target. It just doesn't seem fair at all and also could get kinda boring after a while if it weren't balanced out by something some time in the game.JimmyT2

The computer needs to pause? How long do you think AI computations take? It also doesn't have to graple with a human interface device. Anyway this isn't the first Bioware RPG with a pause function and it has worked well in the past.

No, it just needs something to balance the gameplay. If you can pause and start freeze targetting, then the enemy should have something. Flank abilitites, communication, something....anything! It just seems unbalanced and easily abused. It would be fun for a bit, but no challenge would get boring after a while too....

[QUOTE="Apathetic-Irony"][QUOTE="hobbit93"]

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hobbit93

He has a legit complaint with the game, and articulated his point very well. Nowhere do I see that he really bashes the game, just expesses distaste for the style. Grow up.

you fail

Concrete detail on a game that hasn't even come out yet? It's his viewpoint on what he's seen so far. Declaring somebody fails after a single retort is a powerful argumentation tool, but only if you actually have a powerful argument to begin with.

[QUOTE="JimmyT2"][QUOTE="Nathan_Drake"][QUOTE="general_KDI"]

[QUOTE="JimmyT2"]It's a bioware RPG. If you enjoyed their past games like NWN, Baldur's Gate and KOTOR then there is a good chance you will enjoy it. If not then it's still possible you could enjoy it or maybe an action type game, JRPG or other style of game would be more your cup of tea.Nathan_Drake

I wouldn't judge a game by the past of it's creator... I think it'll score high on graphics, but that's all...

Yeah, we all know how Factor 5 did with Lair...:roll:

I'm not judging the quality but the style. If you want a shooter then Mass Effect was never going to be the game for you. If you want an RPG then it probably will be the type of game you would enjoy. Bioware also has one of the best records in gaming but I won't argue the point.

I'm an FF veteran of 15 years. Still got my NES Gold Cartridge of Final Fantasy. Thing about RPGs for me, is they have to present constant tactical need. They must feel like a game of wits at all times, man-o-a-man-o, like a game of chess but with swords and magic. What Mass Effect present to me is an RPG experience that is more about the rash shoot-em up mentallity rather than anything truly strategic. I've seen what you can do with attacks by pausing the game and just kinda focusing on whatever you want to simply own them, but the enemies never seem like a challenge in such situations and still seem to base their strategy they same way an FPS enemy would. This is definetely a problem I have with this game.

Wait a minute.. I'm not understanding your logic.. FF is a "chess-like" game to you but ME,In which you can/must pause the game and strategize your next move, isn't? :| I'm sorry but it seem's that slowly you're showing your tastes in gaming.. By mentioning the fact you're a 15 year FF vet, you probably wouldn't have liked this type of game anyway... *not saying you're a "cow" or "lemming" or whatever... but it's just what I'm getting from you.

What I like:

On the fly dialouge manipulation to customize your characters personality. If you're quick enough, it looks just like a natural cutscene. Terrific voice acting and overall musical score from what I've heard thus far. Best looking 360 game graphically, though the facial work is widely overrated. They did good with the eyes, but compared to Uncharted and HS's motion captured work it's nothing. Being able to switch weapons and clothing as quickly as you can in the game is also a nice touch.

What I don't like:

It looks boring. The cover system is definetely not up to par with today's standards (though I know that's not the emphasis). The game moves quite slow. Gun fights look lame. The overall presentation of the game just seems to be one giant bag of over-exagerrated physics. And why does EVERY 360 killer-app have to be a futuristic shooter of sorts? Halo, Gears of War and now this....it's getting cliche. Story looks to be a mixed bag of a Star Wars ripoff, including it's cutscene presentation.

Links that I'm basing my opinion on:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/22841.html

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24126.html

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24112.html

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/718/718963/vids_2.html - a whole bunch of videos, the best I've seen thus far.

Nathan_Drake

100% agree with buddy.

[QUOTE="JimmyT2"]

[QUOTE="Nathan_Drake"]Not when you're the only one with any sort of strategical advantage. I've heard nothing about AI flank or communication abilities to counter your ability to pause and freeze target. It just doesn't seem fair at all and also could get kinda boring after a while if it weren't balanced out by something some time in the game.Nathan_Drake

The computer needs to pause? How long do you think AI computations take? It also doesn't have to graple with a human interface device. Anyway this isn't the first Bioware RPG with a pause function and it has worked well in the past.

No, it just needs something to balance the gameplay. If you can pause and start freeze targetting, then the enemy should have something. Flank abilitites, communication, something....anything! It just seems unbalanced and easily abused. It would be fun for a bit, but no challenge would get boring after a while too....

In FF, how many random battles are there where the enemy actually has a chance at winning? None? That's what I thought.

The difficulty lies in keeping your health and supplies up for the tougher boss fights, just like in any RPG.

if you played KOTOR you'd understand.paullywog

Exactly. Many of the elements he's bashing are ones that have already been done right in past Bioware games.