Am I the only one who thinks Mass Effect looks really boring?

[QUOTE="paullywog"]if you played KOTOR you'd understand.Gamer556

Exactly. Many of the elements he's bashing are ones that have already been done right in past Bioware games.

That's what I'm trying to understand... This is the same kind of mechanic Bioware used in Kotor and yet you *well I* still got your ass handed to you if you ran out of supplies and or strategized the wrong move. You pause to get the right weapons and or positions, but that doesn't mean you will automatically win.. The enemy still may outnumber you and or out gun you.. Then you formulate another strategy. This is the same basic concept sqaud based shooters have used for years although much more "dramatic" in this case. So what's the problem..?

It's an RPG. See games like Neverwinter Nights, KotOR, Planetscape: Torment and Baldur's Gate. Three of those were devoloped by Bioware. All three were AAA.Locke562

(and, nwn is overrated, if you don't include the editor in the score)

edited: didn't see there were four games on the rpg list, so I just edited.

RPGs have always been slow paced games, RPGs relies on tactics, thinking which attack is best for certain enemies Shooters have always relied on fast thing and quick reponse times.

Mass effect isnt inthe same genre as GeoW or halo etc, so we cant compare it to those types of games

[QUOTE="Locke562"]It's an RPG. See games like Neverwinter Nights, KotOR, Planetscape: Torment and Baldur's Gate. Three of those were devoloped by Bioware. All three were AAA.ghostofzabis

(and, nwn is overrated, if you don't include the editor in the score)

edited: didn't see there were four games on the rpg list, so I just edited.

[QUOTE="Locke562"]It's an RPG. See games like Neverwinter Nights, KotOR, Planetscape: Torment and Baldur's Gate. Three of those were devoloped by Bioware. All three were AAA.ghostofzabis

(and, nwn is overrated, if you don't include the editor in the score)

edited: didn't see there were four games on the rpg list, so I just edited.

How can you not include the editor in the score? I still play the game today on an ever changing server because of that great editor. The focus for Mass Effect is different but for what they were trying to create NWN is a near perfect game.

It's an RPG. See games like Neverwinter Nights, KotOR, Planetscape: Torment and Baldur's Gate. Three of those were devoloped by Bioware. All three were AAA.Locke562

One question I would like to have answered about these title is if they even had remotely similar hype and/or expectations built up for them heading into their releases? Just curious, this isn't an attempt at mockery, it's just an honest question, yes or no.

All the gameplay videos show are the cutscenes. I don't want to see all cutscenes.X_CAPCOM_X

Actually, the ign link is ALL gameplay.

[QUOTE="Locke562"]It's an RPG. See games like Neverwinter Nights, KotOR, Planetscape: Torment and Baldur's Gate. Three of those were devoloped by Bioware. All three were AAA.Nathan_Drake

One question I would like to have answered about these title is if they even had remotely similar hype and/or expectations built up for them heading into their releases? Just curious, this isn't an attempt at mockery, it's just an honest question, yes or no.

NWN is a PC title so it receieved about the same amount of hype a PC title would get.. Same with the other games.. And KOTOR received ALOT of hype before it's release. The only problem came from the fact that the 360's userbase wasn't that big at the time for an exclusive like that.. Now how abou you answer my questions that you've been ducking and dodging.. :|

What I like:

On the fly dialouge manipulation to customize your characters personality. If you're quick enough, it looks just like a natural cutscene. Terrific voice acting and overall musical score from what I've heard thus far. Best looking 360 game graphically, though the facial work is widely overrated. They did good with the eyes, but compared to Uncharted and HS's motion captured work it's nothing. Being able to switch weapons and clothing as quickly as you can in the game is also a nice touch.

What I don't like:

It looks boring. The cover system is definetely not up to par with today's standards (though I know that's not the emphasis). The game moves quite slow. Gun fights look lame. The overall presentation of the game just seems to be one giant bag of over-exagerrated physics. And why does EVERY 360 killer-app have to be a futuristic shooter of sorts? Halo, Gears of War and now this....it's getting cliche. Story looks to be a mixed bag of a Star Wars ripoff, including it's cutscene presentation.

Links that I'm basing my opinion on:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/22841.html

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24126.html

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24112.html

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/718/718963/vids_2.html - a whole bunch of videos, the best I've seen thus far.

Nathan_Drake

feel the same way ..the graphic are nice..but seem so boring!!

The point I did not want to include editor for nwn was because mass effect doesn't have an editor as well(at least I haven't heard or read about it),; and, since NWN original single player campaign was horrid, in my honest opinion, the game (while only talking about the campaign) shouldn't be referred when talking about rpgs with good story telling. ghostofzabis

NWN was a different focus and the single-player was not as bad as many make it out to be. Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 and KOTOR are still shining examples of Bioware story telling abilities.

[QUOTE="ghostofzabis"]JimmyT2

NWN was a different focus and the single-player was not as bad as many make it out to be. Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 and KOTOR are still shining examples of Bioware story telling abilities.

I just don't like the original campaign. (the fetch quest were made too clearly "go fetch items x from certain places", too many trigger map spawned monsters in dungeons) SOU was better at the adventure part, until the crappy medusa queen of something's appearance.

* Heard many people praising kotor. Maybe I shall give it a try once there is a price drop here, and after I get a decent pc.

Well some of my firends thiks it looks boring to so i think the fanboy argument is just lemmings way to cover up that not all people like Mass Effect. I on the other hand think the game looks to slow. TO much dialouge (i wanna play a game not watch a movie), even though it is extensive and unique its still to long in my eyes. The graphics and animation are top notch, but the gameplay looks clunky and slow. It doesnt llok fluid but thatmay just be that the people playing suck. I dont know i got mixed feeling about the game and i think its an average game that doesnt use the its unique features the way i would want them.
gamer0100

I hate it when people automatically assume hate for a game is due to fanboyism.

Yup, only a few fanboys think it's "boring". Mass Effect is an RPG. You know this, right? RPG's aren't always the most action-packed games to begin with. I think far too many people are mistaking it for a straight up shooter and that's wrong. Anyways, most likely GOTY 2007.BioShockOwnz

Funny how a guy with a masterchief pic for his avatar agrees with me :(

I hate it when people use fanboyism as an excuse.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Yup, only a few fanboys think it's "boring". Mass Effect is an RPG. You know this, right? RPG's aren't always the most action-packed games to begin with. I think far too many people are mistaking it for a straight up shooter and that's wrong. Anyways, most likely GOTY 2007.Nathan_Drake

Funny how a guy with a masterchief pic for his avatar agrees with me :(

I hate it when people use fanboyism as an excuse.

I didn't use "fanboyism" as an excuse. I explained to you how some people do not understand or comprehend what style of game Mass Effect really is.

Also, there are always a few exceptions to the rule. You should know this.

Nah, the combat and everything looks boring to me.

That and I'm not particuarly interested in the story so.. I'll probably get it when it's cheap.

[QUOTE="Nathan_Drake"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Yup, only a few fanboys think it's "boring". Mass Effect is an RPG. You know this, right? RPG's aren't always the most action-packed games to begin with. I think far too many people are mistaking it for a straight up shooter and that's wrong. Anyways, most likely GOTY 2007.BioShockOwnz

Funny how a guy with a masterchief pic for his avatar agrees with me :(

I hate it when people use fanboyism as an excuse.

I didn't use "fanboyism" as an excuse. I explained to you how some people do not understand or comprehend what style of game Mass Effect really is.

Also, there are always a few exceptions to the rule. You should know this.

.....you specifically designated only fanboys to think that it's boring....:?

Meh, not my post to understand then I guess.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Nathan_Drake"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Yup, only a few fanboys think it's "boring". Mass Effect is an RPG. You know this, right? RPG's aren't always the most action-packed games to begin with. I think far too many people are mistaking it for a straight up shooter and that's wrong. Anyways, most likely GOTY 2007.Nathan_Drake

Funny how a guy with a masterchief pic for his avatar agrees with me :(

I hate it when people use fanboyism as an excuse.

I didn't use "fanboyism" as an excuse. I explained to you how some people do not understand or comprehend what style of game Mass Effect really is.

Also, there are always a few exceptions to the rule. You should know this.

.....you specifically designated only fanboys to think that it's boring....:?

Meh, not my post to understand then I guess.

you shouldnt let bioshock opinions bother you. i mean this is a person who thinks Too human is going to be an AAA game. so pretty much you should take his opinions as a grain of salt. bioshock is the worse fanboy on sw btwlt-rickhunter

:lol: Low blow...

[QUOTE="Nathan_Drake"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="Nathan_Drake"]

you shouldnt let bioshock opinions bother you. i mean this is a person who thinks Too human is going to be an AAA game. so pretty much you should take his opinions as a grain of salt. bioshock is the worse fanboy on sw btwlt-rickhunter

Never did I once say Too Human was going to be a "AAA" game.

Also, you do not know if it is or isn't and you're clearly just making assumptions/predictions based on early screens/vids.

And can you please stop stalking me on this board. It's creepy and rather irritating.

And why does EVERY 360 killer-app have to be a futuristic shooter of sorts? Halo, Gears of War and now this....it's getting cliche. Story looks to be a mixed bag of a Star Wars ripoff, including it's cutscene presentation.

Nathan_Drake

Hypocrit much?I amgoing to do exactly what you did.I am going to intentionally forget aboutcertain games just to prove my point. PS3 killer apps, Resistance, Killzone 2, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted. Wow... those certainly look like shooters to me :/

[QUOTE="Nathan_Drake"]

And why does EVERY 360 killer-app have to be a futuristic shooter of sorts? Halo, Gears of War and now this....it's getting cliche. Story looks to be a mixed bag of a Star Wars ripoff, including it's cutscene presentation.

gamer620

Hypocrit much?I amgoing to do exactly what you did.I am going to intentionally forget aboutcertain games just to prove my point. PS3 killer apps, Resistance, Killzone 2, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted. Wow... those certainly look like shooters to me :/

PS3 has Killer apps??? :?

1- story sounds amazing.
2- the cover systeem is ok
3- gameplay im 50/50 on. But than again combat in every rpg known to man blows. SOme i can put up with like Tales of Symphonia, Kotor, and Eternal Sonota. Most of the rpgs i play is mostly because the story is very good.

no you're not alone. For me Mass Effect went from "awesome!" to "meh". The combat just looks clunky to me.espoac

I am right there with you.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/26086.html

Outside of detailed characters and low res low texture enviornments... The Voice acting is terrible. Since this will be the majority of the game, I really wonder how much the performance will be better than the WING COMMANDER series. Compared to the talents of Bioshock, Mass Effect should have spent more $ on better voiceacting. The scripted emotions/animations or Mocap.. whatever it is, its off.

[QUOTE="espoac"]no you're not alone. For me Mass Effect went from "awesome!" to "meh". The combat just looks clunky to me.lt-rickhunter

Man, whats with all the Mass Effect hate lately? Oh and its so funny seeing all the pause complainers in this thread. Its called KOTOR...

[QUOTE="lt-rickhunter"][QUOTE="espoac"]no you're not alone. For me Mass Effect went from "awesome!" to "meh". The combat just looks clunky to me.DHReese

Man, whats with all the Mass Effect hate lately? Oh and its so funny seeing all the pause complainers in this thread. Its called KOTOR...

THe game pauses in the gameplay.. not the attack selection. Plus it has framerate issues.

[QUOTE="lt-rickhunter"][QUOTE="espoac"]no you're not alone. For me Mass Effect went from "awesome!" to "meh". The combat just looks clunky to me.DHReese

Man, whats with all the Mass Effect hate lately? Oh and its so funny seeing all the pause complainers in this thread. Its called KOTOR...

They're convincing themselves that its "boring" so that when the game scores well, it's still "not worth getting" in their eyes. I believe that some of them may be truthful in the fact that they find the combat boring, but if that's the case, it's the genre not the game. Look at a game like Drakes Fortune.. The protaganist Hides behind cover during combat and brings up a menu to select weapons ect... but that's not "boring".. please..

[QUOTE="DHReese"]

[QUOTE="lt-rickhunter"][QUOTE="espoac"]no you're not alone. For me Mass Effect went from "awesome!" to "meh". The combat just looks clunky to me.Wil4hire

Man, whats with all the Mass Effect hate lately? Oh and its so funny seeing all the pause complainers in this thread. Its called KOTOR...

THe game pauses in the gameplay.. not the attack selection. Plus it has framerate issues.

The pausing is just like it is in Kotor. The whole game is paused as you choose you attacks. Besides if that is boring for you, just play it like a normal shooter... except youll just keep getting owned.

[QUOTE="Wil4hire"][QUOTE="DHReese"]

[QUOTE="lt-rickhunter"][QUOTE="espoac"]no you're not alone. For me Mass Effect went from "awesome!" to "meh". The combat just looks clunky to me.DHReese

Man, whats with all the Mass Effect hate lately? Oh and its so funny seeing all the pause complainers in this thread. Its called KOTOR...

THe game pauses in the gameplay.. not the attack selection. Plus it has framerate issues.

The pausing is just like it is in Kotor. The whole game is paused as you choose you attacks. Besides if that is boring for you, just play it like a normal shooter... except youll just keep getting owned.

[QUOTE="Nathan_Drake"][QUOTE="general_KDI"]

[QUOTE="JimmyT2"]It's a bioware RPG. If you enjoyed their past games like NWN, Baldur's Gate and KOTOR then there is a good chance you will enjoy it. If not then it's still possible you could enjoy it or maybe an action type game, JRPG or other style of game would be more your cup of tea.JimmyT2

I wouldn't judge a game by the past of it's creator... I think it'll score high on graphics, but that's all...

Yeah, we all know how Factor 5 did with Lair...:roll:

I'm not judging the quality but the style. If you want a shooter then Mass Effect was never going to be the game for you. If you want an RPG then it probably will be the type of game you would enjoy. Bioware also has one of the best records in gaming but I won't argue the point.

Best records in gaming .. WHAT ?

i thought u were going to say Sqaure

i Thought u were going to say Kojima

I thought u were going to say Bungie

I almost though u were going to say GTA developers

I almost thought u were going to say Nintendo

BUT BIOWARE WHAT ? who are they ? never heard of them, move on..

[QUOTE="lt-rickhunter"][QUOTE="espoac"]no you're not alone. For me Mass Effect went from "awesome!" to "meh". The combat just looks clunky to me.DHReese

Man, whats with all the Mass Effect hate lately? Oh and its so funny seeing all the pause complainers in this thread. Its called KOTOR...

The same people complaining about Mass Effect were the same kind of people that were complaining about GeoW, BioShock and Halo 3. They constantly try to convince themselves of how bad a game is going to "reek" so they don't have to find $400 somewhere to buy the greatness that is the Xbox 360. History will repeat itself just like the other titles I named, this game is gold and will score a AAA.

It was the only game I was jealous of on the 360, but after seeing some gameplay about a month ago, I found it stupid that you could pause the gameplay, look around and point the weapon at ur enemy then shoot, and do it OVER AND OVER AGAIN!

WDF!?

therealmcc0y

[QUOTE="DHReese"]

[QUOTE="lt-rickhunter"][QUOTE="espoac"]no you're not alone. For me Mass Effect went from "awesome!" to "meh". The combat just looks clunky to me.BioShockOwnz

Man, whats with all the Mass Effect hate lately? Oh and its so funny seeing all the pause complainers in this thread. Its called KOTOR...

The same people complaining about Mass Effect were the same kind of people that were complaining about GeoW, BioShock and Halo 3. They constantly try to convince themselves of how bad a game is going to "reek" so they don't have to find $400 somewhere to buy the greatness that is the Xbox 360. History will repeat itself just like the other titles I named, this game is gold and will score a AAA.

If history is going to repaet itself then Playstation is going to Win this Gen, just like last gen and the Generation before.

Did you play Mass Effect ? are you judging mass effect an AAA game just from some lame video ?

@tc Your not the only one that sees mass effect borring.

IMO what ruined the game mostly in my view was because it more of a shooter than a RPG :S

[QUOTE="DHReese"][QUOTE="Wil4hire"][QUOTE="DHReese"]

[QUOTE="lt-rickhunter"][QUOTE="espoac"]no you're not alone. For me Mass Effect went from "awesome!" to "meh". The combat just looks clunky to me.gamer0100

Man, whats with all the Mass Effect hate lately? Oh and its so funny seeing all the pause complainers in this thread. Its called KOTOR...

THe game pauses in the gameplay.. not the attack selection. Plus it has framerate issues.

The pausing is just like it is in Kotor. The whole game is paused as you choose you attacks. Besides if that is boring for you, just play it like a normal shooter... except youll just keep getting owned.

Thanks for putting words in my mouth... Of course everyone doesnt have to like a game. Except theres a difference between a game not appealing to you and directly bashing it because its not on your system or "you just dont like it". I understand a game may not be your fortay, but not being able to accept that it looks like its gonna be a great game is totally biased. This can be said about anyone, from those hating on Mario Galaxy or FF13. I personally may not find them appealing, but can I except that fact that they will probably be awesome games others will enjoy? You bet I can.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="DHReese"]

The same people complaining about Mass Effect were the same kind of people that were complaining about GeoW, BioShock and Halo 3. They constantly try to convince themselves of how bad a game is going to "reek" so they don't have to find $400 somewhere to buy the greatness that is the Xbox 360. History will repeat itself just like the other titles I named, this game is gold and will score a AAA.

kokatawa111

If history is going to repaet itself then Playstation is going to Win this Gen, just like last gen and the Generation before.

Did you play Mass Effect ? are you judging mass effect an AAA game just from some lame video ?

@tc Your not the only one that sees mass effect borring.

IMO what ruined the game mostly in my view was because it more of a shooter than a RPG :S

I wasn't talking about the console war. And yes, I do believe PS3 will sell more consoles when all is said and done.

No, I haven't played Mass Effect, but I gather pure ignorance and fanboyism when a video is called "lame". Very sad. :( I'll see you when it's reviewed in November. :)

AAA confirmed!