On high thread counts, Core i7-9700K with 8 cores with 8 threads would incur multi-threading context penalty when compared to Ryzen 7 3700X/3800X's 8 cores with 16 threads.
Intel should refresh their product line up with
X299 platform with quad memory channels.
16 cores with 32 threads
14 cores with 28 threads
12 cores with 24 threads
10 cores with 20 threads
Z390 platform with dual memory channels
10 cores with 20 threads
8 cores with 16 threads
6 cores with 12 threads
Intel should reduce their CPU prices according to general and gaming performance relative to AMD Zen v2 product lines.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#s=35&sort=price&page=1 X299 motherboard prices already rivals AM4's X370/B450 type motherboards. Intel is already working on reducing X299's motherboard infrastructure cost.
Intel is dead. That's for sure. Wonder when they gonna file bankruptcy.
Not gonna happen anytime soon. Most datacenters still run Intel.
I don't really have a horse in this race--Intel or AMD, I will choose whatever suits my needs, budget, and quality demands--buy why is Intel, sooner or later, "dead"?
I'm leaning towards getting 3900X, looks way more promising over my 2700X. I'll need to look at benchmarks between 3800X & 3900X cause that 2700X is hampering my overclocked RTX 2070. This is gonna be my final upgrade to my PC at this point until whenever PS6 arrives.
3rd-gen Ryzen got a much needed IPC boost. This is looking great but I gotta see some actual gaming benchmarks before me and my wallet can make some negotiation. I hope AMD don't let it's foot off the gas, they gotta keep ramming it down Intel's throat.
What the heck? Why can't AMD compete with Nvidia on GPU front just like they are doing with Intel. Seems like Nvidia will continue to charge the Nvidia tax.
@R4gn4r0k: Maybe the overclocking potential is better on the 3800X? Anyway, your guess is as good as mine. We have to wait for reviews to find that out.
@R4gn4r0k: Maybe the overclocking potential is better on the 3800X? Anyway, your guess is as good as mine. We have to wait for reviews to find that out.
I'm not much of an overclocker myself :P
My Core i7 4790K is still at base clock speeds and still going strong, hehe.
Personally I'm looking for a solid upgrade that will last me many years, and preferably a powerful CPU that doesn't produce too much heat.
@R4gn4r0k: Overclocking would be my best guess between 3700X & 3800X when it comes to heat but I expect 3800X to be the hottest. Best thing to do is, wait for Benchmarks and compare. 3900X also looks highly binned vs 3800X.
@R4gn4r0k: Overclocking would be my best guess between 3700X & 3800X when it comes to heat but I expect 3800X to be the hottest. Best thing to do is, wait for Benchmarks and compare. 3900X also looks highly binned vs 3800X.
3900X is from 2 chiplets, 3700X and 3800X are from one
@R4gn4r0k: Overclocking would be my best guess between 3700X & 3800X when it comes to heat but I expect 3800X to be the hottest. Best thing to do is, wait for Benchmarks and compare. 3900X also looks highly binned vs 3800X.
I like the looks of that 3800x because of the clock speeds it offers over the 3700x.
But I'm really looking for the best performance/TDP. Because I was looking into the intel I7 9700K and I9 9900K and those just produce way too much heat.
I'm leaning towards getting 3900X, looks way more promising over my 2700X. I'll need to look at benchmarks between 3800X & 3900X cause that 2700X is hampering my overclocked RTX 2070. This is gonna be my final upgrade to my PC at this point until whenever PS6 arrives.
3rd-gen Ryzen got a much needed IPC boost. This is looking great but I gotta see some actual gaming benchmarks before me and my wallet can make some negotiation. I hope AMD don't let it's foot off the gas, they gotta keep ramming it down Intel's throat.
Unless you're playing at low resolution and low graphically demanding games like Apex, Fortnite etc. you wouldn't get much out of 3900X. At higher resolutions and effects games are mostly GPU bound. Again I'm speculating here but it will be an overkill for high res gaming.
@acepilot: Tell me how Intel is dead? They moved beyond being a PC centric company 3 years ago.
In 2018, Intel made 70 billion dollars in revenue. AMD make 6.5 billion. Intel is a march larger company and has expanded into many more markets than AMD.
I'm leaning towards getting 3900X, looks way more promising over my 2700X. I'll need to look at benchmarks between 3800X & 3900X cause that 2700X is hampering my overclocked RTX 2070. This is gonna be my final upgrade to my PC at this point until whenever PS6 arrives.
3rd-gen Ryzen got a much needed IPC boost. This is looking great but I gotta see some actual gaming benchmarks before me and my wallet can make some negotiation. I hope AMD don't let it's foot off the gas, they gotta keep ramming it down Intel's throat.
Unless you're playing at low resolution and low graphically demanding games like Apex, Fortnite etc. you wouldn't get much out of 3900X. At higher resolutions and effects games are mostly GPU bound. Again I'm speculating here but it will be an overkill for high res gaming.
yeah but there are games that are still CPU intensive like GTA V and Total War, to give just 2 examples.
And for all we know, with the new consoles on the horizon, we might see a lot more games pushing CPU power.
I'm leaning towards getting 3900X, looks way more promising over my 2700X. I'll need to look at benchmarks between 3800X & 3900X cause that 2700X is hampering my overclocked RTX 2070. This is gonna be my final upgrade to my PC at this point until whenever PS6 arrives.
3rd-gen Ryzen got a much needed IPC boost. This is looking great but I gotta see some actual gaming benchmarks before me and my wallet can make some negotiation. I hope AMD don't let it's foot off the gas, they gotta keep ramming it down Intel's throat.
Unless you're playing at low resolution and low graphically demanding games like Apex, Fortnite etc. you wouldn't get much out of 3900X. At higher resolutions and effects games are mostly GPU bound. Again I'm speculating here but it will be an overkill for high res gaming.
I do more then just gaming, I treat my PC as a workstation for uploading gameplays from time to time and the 2700X has really been great to me. I'm not really gaming in 4K, just 1440p only and it's my prefer resolution.
This is a nuts hot take, unless PCs switch to AMD in mass the majority of PCs built will be quad core for the next few years so you wouldn’t get much out of an 8 core 16 thread part anyway. Intel isn’t even on 7nm yet to even make mass adoption of octacore feasible for most of the world.
I'm leaning towards getting 3900X, looks way more promising over my 2700X. I'll need to look at benchmarks between 3800X & 3900X cause that 2700X is hampering my overclocked RTX 2070. This is gonna be my final upgrade to my PC at this point until whenever PS6 arrives.
3rd-gen Ryzen got a much needed IPC boost. This is looking great but I gotta see some actual gaming benchmarks before me and my wallet can make some negotiation. I hope AMD don't let it's foot off the gas, they gotta keep ramming it down Intel's throat.
I assume you want high framerates because i can't see how that cpu bottlenecks on higher resolutions. If you care about high framerates go for higher hz cpu's which basically mean intel for now. core's aint going to help you.
However if you look something for the next decade to sit on, i wouldn't even bother with this gen at all. They don't seem to be much worth it. Maybe the 8/16 will last you for a while tho, but will bottle neck hard most likely through the gen.
I would honestly wait for 16/32 solution with 5ghz clock on it.
This is a nuts hot take, unless PCs switch to AMD in mass the majority of PCs built will be quad core for the next few years so you wouldn’t get much out of an 8 core 16 thread part anyway. Intel isn’t even on 7nm yet to even make mass adoption of octacore feasible for most of the world.
I'm leaning towards getting 3900X, looks way more promising over my 2700X. I'll need to look at benchmarks between 3800X & 3900X cause that 2700X is hampering my overclocked RTX 2070. This is gonna be my final upgrade to my PC at this point until whenever PS6 arrives.
3rd-gen Ryzen got a much needed IPC boost. This is looking great but I gotta see some actual gaming benchmarks before me and my wallet can make some negotiation. I hope AMD don't let it's foot off the gas, they gotta keep ramming it down Intel's throat.
Unless you're playing at low resolution and low graphically demanding games like Apex, Fortnite etc. you wouldn't get much out of 3900X. At higher resolutions and effects games are mostly GPU bound. Again I'm speculating here but it will be an overkill for high res gaming.
I do more then just gaming, I treat my PC as a workstation for uploading gameplays from time to time and the 2700X has really been great to me. I'm not really gaming in 4K, just 1440p only and it's my prefer resolution.
That makes sense then. More cores will definitely benefit you.
@acepilot: Tell me how Intel is dead? They moved beyond being a PC centric company 3 years ago.
In 2018, Intel made 70 billion dollars in revenue. AMD make 6.5 billion. Intel is a march larger company and has expanded into many more markets than AMD.
Don't worry, memory bandwidth bottleneck would be a problem for AM4 motherboard while Intel focus on making X299 motherboards cheaper which is already landing on X370/470 AM4 motherboard price range.
The profitable price for Intel socket 2066 CPUs are based on SKUs with defect yields e.g. Skylake X 7800 has 6 active CPUs with 6 disabled CPUs, hence a person already paid for 12 core CPU silicon imprint at a lower price. The full 12 core being enabled has larger profit margins. 9000 series Skylake X cores are based on 18 core design. Intel has to lower their prices to match AMD's market segment targets.
This is a nuts hot take, unless PCs switch to AMD in mass the majority of PCs built will be quad core for the next few years so you wouldn’t get much out of an 8 core 16 thread part anyway. Intel isn’t even on 7nm yet to even make mass adoption of octacore feasible for most of the world.
Intel's 14 nm is like TSMC's 10 nm.
Intel's 10 nm CPUs are also year 2019 release.
Try again.
How is this at all relevant that Intel doesn’t have 7nm???? No one is arguing transistor density but that space, heat, and power are still concerns and it’s not going to magically make room for 8 cores on most main steam PCs. At the absolute most optimistic projection it may replace the quad core processors with a 6 core in low-mid tier PCs. It’s literally completely irrelevant to the point that mainstream octacore will not be a thing unless most manufacturers switch to AMD.
This is a nuts hot take, unless PCs switch to AMD in mass the majority of PCs built will be quad core for the next few years so you wouldn’t get much out of an 8 core 16 thread part anyway. Intel isn’t even on 7nm yet to even make mass adoption of octacore feasible for most of the world.
Intel's 14 nm is like TSMC's 10 nm.
Intel's 10 nm CPUs are also year 2019 release.
Try again.
How is this at all relevant that Intel doesn’t have 7nm???? No one is arguing transistor density but that space, heat, and power are still concerns and it’s not going to magically make room for 8 cores on most main steam PCs. At the absolute most optimistic projection it may replace the quad core processors with a 6 core in low-mid tier PCs. It’s literally completely irrelevant to the point that mainstream octacore will not be a thing unless most manufacturers switch to AMD.
Your argument on Intel's lacking 7nm is flawed since TSMC 's measures their density differently.
Intel i7-7820X has 12 core CPU imprint with 8 CPUs being active (is close to $499 price range. My point, BOM cost is the same for all 12 core Intel Skylake X CPUs.
those CPUs looks nice. still not quite enough yet to get me to budge from my 1500X but if there is a zen2+ next year and something i am playing would really benefit from the extra CPU power (i am looking into VR)....hmmm.
as for NAVI: if AMD could stretch it just a bit more and get the price just right i think there may be a lot of people interested. basically if they could release a radeon 1080Ti that would be super.
E3 will be interesting for more news on that. if they only offer 2070 level of performance for the same price though then they will be on the back foot.
The compared the 9700K which has no hyper threading against a CPU that does.
I assume they are using stock clocks for Intel chips
Due to low end boards not having good cooling I assume you would need a $150+ board to get Ryzen 7 on it so the old AMD is cheaper because of the boards is gone
Also Zen overclocks poor and while the 4.4GHz is a jump up... Intel chips can overclock on all cores to 4.8GHz with ease.
I will wait for benchmarks but in all honesty its the same as last generation just a IPC boost and small core clock jump for the $350 and lower CPU's from AMD.
If they were brave enough they should have shown a their best 8 core chip with 16 threads overclocked vs 9900K overclock and then run the cine bench MT benchmark and a game benchmark no a 144Hz locked real time snip.
stock vs stock it looks like AMD has cought up... But lets not forget that Intel can overclock and now the AMD chips require more expensive boards.
So much for the 12 core 24th 5GHz rumour for $299!
The compared the 9700K which has no hyper threading against a CPU that does.
I assume they are using stock clocks for Intel chips
Due to low end boards not having good cooling I assume you would need a $150+ board to get Ryzen 7 on it so the old AMD is cheaper because of the boards is gone
Also Zen overclocks poor and while the 4.4GHz is a jump up... Intel chips can overclock on all cores to 4.8GHz with ease.
- I think they're comparing on the pricepoint,, because they're technically priced the same.
- Yeah, and possibly for the AMD chips too.
-For the board, I would agree if you're after high-end parts(like the new x570s), but for the mainstream, as long as you have a decent b350/b450/x370/x470 board, you could still use the new AMD CPUs with just a bios update.
- We still have to wait for reviews if the new Zen 2 CPUs are good overclockers to be honest.
Right now, I wouldn't jump the gun for these new CPUs, but I may be swayed if the reviews are good enough.
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