AMD: ''Nvidia are full of sh*t and asshurt''

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="Cranler"] Bang for the buck on console isnt the same as bang for the buck on pc. I prefer the Nvidia experience on pc. I gladly pay an extra $50 for the better drivers you get with Nvidia.Cranler

Gpu is nothing without the drivers. New drivers are constantly in the works and lots of money is spent on them.

Maybe this will shed some light on why people are willing spend more on Nvidia http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1683315

This poll indicates otherwise http://www.overclock.net/t/1351071/crossfire-7970-or-sli-680s

Regarding GPUs in general:

What trips me out about that chart is how radically things have changed since the beginning of this gen. The GPUs in Xbox and Xbox 360 were both ahead of the PC market at the times of their launches. But this time all the consoles are gonna be way behind PC right from the start. Heck, is looking like Nextbox's GPU won't even beat the one in PS4 let alone computers. My, how things change.

This thread is just getting silly :?

cfisher2833

[QUOTE="tionmedon"][QUOTE="tormentos"] http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7990-devil13-7970-x2,3329-7.html Such fanboys.. The 7990 actually beat the 690GTX in several games...And is $100 cheaper.. Not only that 2 7970 on Cross fire also beat the $690 and they cost $200 less than the 690GTX.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131483&Tpk=7990%20amd&IsVirtualParent=1 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=100006662&isNodeId=1&Description=690gtx&x=0&y=0 People like you are greatly miss inform and not i am not an AMD fanboy like Ron.ronvalencia

Reference 7990 (Malta) uses two 8-pin PCI-E power connectors i.e. four 8-pin PCI-E power connectors for two 7990.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/picture/?src=/images/news/2013-03/amd_radeon_hd_7990_malta_tahiti.jpg

AMD waited for lower power XT2 for 7990 Malta.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="tionmedon"] .....u can not cf the 7990 that would b 6-8pin plus a least a 1200psu........690gtx is 2 -8pin and with a 650 psu...tionmedon

Reference 7990 (Malta) uses two 8-pin PCI-E power connectors i.e. four 8-pin PCI-E power connectors for two 7990.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/picture/?src=/images/news/2013-03/amd_radeon_hd_7990_malta_tahiti.jpg

AMD waited for lower power XT2 for 7990 Malta.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]meanwhile tormentos is stuck at 1280x720 low settings and 30fps:Ptormentos

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

How is not.? The 7970 cheapest model is like $379 the cheapest 680GTX is like $459 and both basically perform the same. The RSX on PS3 was a piece of crap compare to the Xenos,and yet it cost sony more than what MS pay for the Xenos. Better driver is a lame excuse to try to justify Nvidia lame ass over priced crap,MS drop them because of that,Sony drop them because of that and i don't think any console maker will ever work with them again.. Nvidia like Intel sell way over priced,the only difference is at least intel has the upper hand on CPU while Nvidia doesn't really.tormentos

Gpu is nothing without the drivers. New drivers are constantly in the works and lots of money is spent on them.

Maybe this will shed some light on why people are willing spend more on Nvidia http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1683315

This poll indicates otherwise http://www.overclock.net/t/1351071/crossfire-7970-or-sli-680s

Gpu is nothing without the drivers. New drivers are constantly in the works and lots of money is spent on them.

Maybe this will shed some light on why people are willing spend more on Nvidia http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1683315

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="tionmedon"] .....u can not cf the 7990 that would b 6-8pin plus a least a 1200psu........690gtx is 2 -8pin and with a 650 psu...tionmedon

Reference 7990 (Malta) uses two 8-pin PCI-E power connectors i.e. four 8-pin PCI-E power connectors for two 7990.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/picture/?src=/images/news/2013-03/amd_radeon_hd_7990_malta_tahiti.jpg

AMD waited for lower power XT2 for 7990 Malta.

Powercolor AX 7990 is not a "Malta" 7990 reference build i.e. it has two 8-pin PCI-E power connectors and a dual slot cooling. I even provided a screenshot of "Malta" 7990 reference build.

u lose.

Regarding GPUs in general:

 

 

What trips me out about that chart is how radically things have changed since the beginning of this gen. The GPUs in Xbox and Xbox 360 were both ahead of the PC market at the times of their launches. But this time all the consoles are gonna be way behind PC right from the start. Heck, is looking like Nextbox's GPU won't even beat the one in PS4 let alone computers. My, how things change.

Wickerman777

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

Gpu is nothing without the drivers. New drivers are constantly in the works and lots of money is spent on them.

Maybe this will shed some light on why people are willing spend more on Nvidia http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1683315

Cranler

This poll indicates otherwise http://www.overclock.net/t/1351071/crossfire-7970-or-sli-680s

My link specifies 7970 CF vs 680 SLI and it did NOT include Cypress or Cayman based CF.

Regarding GPUs in general:

What trips me out about that chart is how radically things have changed since the beginning of this gen. The GPUs in Xbox and Xbox 360 were both ahead of the PC market at the times of their launches. But this time all the consoles are gonna be way behind PC right from the start. Heck, is looking like Nextbox's GPU won't even beat the one in PS4 let alone computers. My, how things change.

Wickerman777

Before 8800 GTX(185 watts, two PCI-E power connectors), Radeon X1950 XTX has 125 watts and one PCI-E power connector. http://www.game-debate.com/hardware/index.php?gid=1054&graphics=Radeon%20X1950%20XTX

The next-gen console's TDP targets didn't change with 2012/2013 flagship PCs i.e. ~200 watt GPUs.

Radeon X1950 XTX's single PCI-E power connector.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

This poll indicates otherwise http://www.overclock.net/t/1351071/crossfire-7970-or-sli-680s

My link specifies 7970 CF vs 680 SLI and it did NOT include Cypress or Cayman based CF.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] Lol your poll compares 2 cards with 45 people surveyed. Mine compared drivers for all cards with 200 respondents. If amd is so much better then why are people still willing to spend more on Nvidia?Cranler

My link specifies 7970 CF vs 680 SLI and it did NOT include Cypress or Cayman based CF.

Consoles has been using adaptive adaptive vsync for sometime.

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AMD Cypress = Radeon HD 5850/5870 which uses VLIW5 stream processor design.

AMD Cayman = Radeon HD 6950/6970 which uses VLIW4 stream processor design.

AMD Tahiti = Radeon HD 7870 XT/7950/7970/8950-OEM/8970-OEM which uses SIMD stream processor design.

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VLIW, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_long_instruction_word

SIMD, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMD

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[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

My link specifies 7970 CF vs 680 SLI and it did NOT include Cypress or Cayman based CF.

ronvalencia

AMD Cypress = Radeon HD 5850/5870 which uses VLIW5 stream processor design.

AMD Cayman = Radeon HD 6950/6970 which uses VLIW4 stream processor design.

AMD Tahiti = Radeon HD 7870 XT/7950/7970/8950-OEM/8970-OEM which uses SIMD stream processor design.

VLIW, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_long_instruction_word

SIMD, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMD

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] Am I supposed to know what Cypress and Caymen are? The performance difference between the 2 cards is minute and Nvidia has better drivers plain and simple. Amd just recently started offering app profiles and not nearly as well implemented as Nvidias I might add. By the time Amd gets adaptive vsync oleds will be the standard and it wont even be a worthwhile feature at that point. darksusperia

AMD Cypress = Radeon HD 5850/5870 which uses VLIW5 stream processor design.

AMD Cayman = Radeon HD 6950/6970 which uses VLIW4 stream processor design.

AMD Tahiti = Radeon HD 7870 XT/7950/7970/8950-OEM/8970-OEM which uses SIMD stream processor design.

VLIW, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_long_instruction_word

SIMD, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMD

The recent majority of AA/AAA titles has AMD "Gaming Evolved" with Battlefield 4 being the latest addition to the list.

For Radeons HD PC, there's 3rd party RadeonPro tool that enables adaptive vsync. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7990-devil13-7970-x2,3329-11.html

Aside from a few dropped frames and a handful of spikes when the test changes scenes, our dual-Tahiti card enjoys much smoother sailing. In fact, the end result is often better than what you'd see from a single graphics card, with virtually no micro-stuttering left.

[QUOTE="darksusperia"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"] Im not talking about vsync. crossfire has problems. http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Frame-Rating-GeForce-GTX-Titan-GeForce-GTX-690-Radeon-HD-7990-HD-7970-CrossFi [QUOTE="PCper"] The results shouldn't surprise you, and it won't surprise AMD any more either - if released today, the HD 7990 would not perform well in our tests. AMD has told me that they are working on an option to meter frames in the way that NVIDIA is doing it, but offering users the options to enable or disable it, but we are months away from that fix. Until then, any dual-GPU Radeon HD 7000-series cards are going to show these problems represented as runts and dropped frames. We have many more pages of results to go over for the HD 7950/7870/7850/etc and those will be published in the coming days - but the story will look very similar as you'll find. In all honesty, when AMD told me they were planning this card release I recommend they hold off until its driver fix is in place - myself and other reviewers are going to be hitting them hard on these issues until then, and any dual-GPU option with the Radeon name is going struggle to live up to any placed expectations.

Even though we only have NVIDIA results for 5760x1080 due to the extreme amount of dropped frames on the HD 7990 / HD 7970s, comparing these two options is interesting.PCper

I nearly spat out my coffee reading, that the GPUs in PS3 and Xbox were more powerful at launch, than high end PC cards. When do people realize that the stuff inside the consoles is basically made by the exact same people that make regular computer hardware. It does not make sense from a business standpoint.

I have never visisted a forum, with so much wrong information, as on GameSpot, and specifically systemwars. I mean where do people come up with this shit?

Are people dilusional? It's like claiming your stock Honda Civic beats a Ferrari at the lights. No, saying it enough times does not make it true.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]meanwhile tormentos is stuck at 1280x720 low settings and 30fps:Ptormentos

My bad, i was under the assumption that you play games on ps3(or 360), I didn't know that you had a time machine:|

I nearly spat out my coffee reading, that the GPUs in PS3 and Xbox were more powerful at launch, than high end PC cards. When do people realize that the stuff inside the consoles is basically made by the exact same people that make regular computer hardware. It does not make sense from a business standpoint.

 

I have never visisted a forum, with so much wrong information, as on GameSpot, and specifically systemwars. I mean where do people come up with this shit?

Are people dilusional? It's like claiming your stock Honda Civic beats a Ferrari at the lights. No, saying it enough times does not make it true.

AndersK

It's what the graph says and what an article said where I saw the graph. I don't friggin remember what PC GPUs were like 8 years ago, lol. If the info is inaccurate take it up with them. And if something so slight and meaningless as that caused you to "nearly spit out your coffee" then LMMAO.

[QUOTE="AndersK"]

I nearly spat out my coffee reading, that the GPUs in PS3 and Xbox were more powerful at launch, than high end PC cards. When do people realize that the stuff inside the consoles is basically made by the exact same people that make regular computer hardware. It does not make sense from a business standpoint.

 

I have never visisted a forum, with so much wrong information, as on GameSpot, and specifically systemwars. I mean where do people come up with this shit?

Are people dilusional? It's like claiming your stock Honda Civic beats a Ferrari at the lights. No, saying it enough times does not make it true.

Wickerman777

It's what the graph says and what an article said where I saw the graph. I don't friggin remember what PC GPUs were like 8 years ago, lol. If the info is inaccurate take it up with them. And if something so slight and meaningless as that caused you to "nearly spit out your coffee" then LMMAO.

The consoles had some really good looking games when it came out, such as Gears of War. Also when compared to the PC games available at the time. That does not by any stretch mean that the hardware is better, or ahead of it's time. It simply means a talented developer choose the Xbox, and not the PC.

.. And about the coffee, this is systemwars :p

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="AndersK"]

I nearly spat out my coffee reading, that the GPUs in PS3 and Xbox were more powerful at launch, than high end PC cards. When do people realize that the stuff inside the consoles is basically made by the exact same people that make regular computer hardware. It does not make sense from a business standpoint.

 

I have never visisted a forum, with so much wrong information, as on GameSpot, and specifically systemwars. I mean where do people come up with this shit?

Are people dilusional? It's like claiming your stock Honda Civic beats a Ferrari at the lights. No, saying it enough times does not make it true.

AndersK

It's what the graph says and what an article said where I saw the graph. I don't friggin remember what PC GPUs were like 8 years ago, lol. If the info is inaccurate take it up with them. And if something so slight and meaningless as that caused you to "nearly spit out your coffee" then LMMAO.

The consoles had some really good looking games when it came out, such as Gears of War. Also when compared to the PC games available at the time. That does not by any stretch mean that the hardware is better, or ahead of it's time. It simply means a talented developer choose the Xbox, and not the PC.

.. And about the coffee, this is systemwars :p

Im not saying amd is bad in general. IM saying they have issues at the driver level with crossfire which has been proven over the last year of beta testing this method which PCperspective was part of and AMD have said they are implementing something similar to nvidias frame metering in coming months.

darksusperia

For the micro-stutter issues, they haven't used the 3rd party RadeonPro tool.

http://www.radeonpro.info/2013/03/crossfire-microstutter-afterburner-vs-radeon-pro/

Before RadeonPro

After RadeonPro

The consoles doesn't have to worry about DX's issues nor managing two GPUs.

From http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-titan-performance-review,3442-3.html

On single GPU setup and latency, 7970 GE has better latency results than Titan and GTX 680.

From http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crysis-3-performance-benchmark-gaming,3451-6.html

The latency issue can be double edged sword.