Analyst says PSP success has been distorted.

This is what I've been saying all along.

"The phenomenal performance of the DS has made the PSP's performance appear poor, when in fact, the PSP is actually performing quite well," Pachter wrote. "By the end of its third full year, we expect the PSP's installed base to be approximately 25 million units, on par with the installed base of the Game Boy Advance at the end of its second year. Given that the PSP started from scratch, while the GBA sold into an installed base of over 100 million Game Boy owners, we think that the PSP's performance is respectable."

Before any fanboys start running in here with "BUT THE DS SALES" crap, YES WE KNOW, WE KNOW WE KNOW WE KNOW WE KNOW so please don't bring it up.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6170234.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;2

but look at the game sales. many psps aren't being bought as a gaming system. partly you have to compare it to the ipod as well. 

did you really neecd to bring this up? we know that the PSP is doing well, the only people that are saying the PSP is a flop are the fanboys. starting a new thread to prove the psp isnt flopping isnt going to get you anywhere.reyad-u

Well it is news....*shrug*

Either way I can promote the goodness of Bread.

Eat more Bread.

The problem is with the PSP it was suppose to cut into the DS's sales but instead DS is selling better than GBA with no competition. chansaet

GRRRR, yes we know.

:evil:

The problem is with the PSP it was suppose to cut into the DS's sales but instead DS is selling better than GBA with no competition. chansaet

i'd say many of the psp's sold aren't competition either. many are used as just media players rather than gaming systems. the game sales per month is very low for a system with as many units sold as it has. 

Eat more Bread.Bread_or_Decide

The funniest was when I worked at Fuddruckers and I'd get people ordering a pound hamburger with no bun... because they were on a diet :shock:.

Oh, yeah, and what DaysAirlines said.

I think that the hype surrounding the PSP has had as much effect of the percepti0on of PSP as a failure as DS sales. Sony's claim it would be the next walkman and the like. And every analyst under the sun predicting Nintendo's doom and Sony's domination of the handheld space.

It's like with the consoles. If all 3 sold 50 million each two would be considered great success stories the other a relative failure. 

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Eat more Bread.Jandurin

The funniest was when I worked at Fuddruckers and I'd get people ordering a pound hamburger with no bun... because they were on a diet :shock:.

Oh, yeah, and what DaysAirlines said.

Yeah lets ignore all the fat in the meat...and skimp on the bread lol. Thats as crazy as saying the PSP only has ports.

I think that the hype surrounding the PSP has had as much effect of the percepti0on of PSP as a failure as DS sales. Sony's claim it would be the next walkman and the like. And every analyst under the sun predicting Nintendo's doom and Sony's domination of the handheld space.

 

It's like with the consoles. If all 3 sold 50 million each two would be considered great success stories the other a relative failure.

cakeorrdeath

Yeah, exactly.  It's like a game being hyped AAA on SW and getting an 8.9

Great nonetheless but failed to reach hype 

I think that the hype surrounding the PSP has had as much effect of the percepti0on of PSP as a failure as DS sales. Sony's claim it would be the next walkman and the like. And every analyst under the sun predicting Nintendo's doom and Sony's domination of the handheld space.

 

It's like with the consoles. If all 3 sold 50 million each two would be considered great success stories the other a relative failure. 

cakeorrdeath

Yeah. Hopefully PSP is starting a good base for the PSP2 to do much better later on.

That's hardware. Let's talk software sales.karicha9

Comparable to the DS in NA until about 9 months ago.

Never really went anywhere in JP at all.

Don't know about EU - DS software sales currently rule the mainland, though.

Not much to talk about, really.

Yeah. Hopefully PSP is starting a good base for the PSP2 to do much better later on.Bread_or_Decide

That's PSP's biggest problem, really.  It almost certainly can't break 50 million, and as it is not the dominant console, its successor is likely to sell less than it did. 

but look at the game sales. many psps aren't being bought as a gaming system. partly you have to compare it to the ipod as well. 

Ontain

U really cant compare it to anything really, nothing offers AAA title games yet at the same time bring the multi features like UMD Movie watching and music listenting.

I think that the hype surrounding the PSP has had as much effect of the percepti0on of PSP as a failure as DS sales. Sony's claim it would be the next walkman and the like. And every analyst under the sun predicting Nintendo's doom and Sony's domination of the handheld space.

 

It's like with the consoles. If all 3 sold 50 million each two would be considered great success stories the other a relative failure.

cakeorrdeath

Of course a company is going to hype their products as the best thing ever. What do you expect ?
Nike_Air

Not saying it is wrong or right but I definately think it has a massive influence on perception.

[QUOTE="karicha9"]That's hardware. Let's talk software sales.Iyethar

Comparable to the DS in NA until about 9 months ago.

Never really went anywhere in JP at all.

Don't know about EU - DS software sales currently rule the mainland, though.

Not much to talk about, really.

Yeah. Hopefully PSP is starting a good base for the PSP2 to do much better later on.Bread_or_Decide

That's PSP's biggest problem, really.  It almost certainly can't break 50 million, and as it is not the dominant console, its successor is likely to sell less than it did. 

I think the Wii has taught us all that previous sales mean nothing.

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]

I think that the hype surrounding the PSP has had as much effect of the percepti0on of PSP as a failure as DS sales. Sony's claim it would be the next walkman and the like. And every analyst under the sun predicting Nintendo's doom and Sony's domination of the handheld space.

 

It's like with the consoles. If all 3 sold 50 million each two would be considered great success stories the other a relative failure.

Nike_Air

[QUOTE="reyad-u"]did you really neecd to bring this up? we know that the PSP is doing well, the only people that are saying the PSP is a flop are the fanboys. starting a new thread to prove the psp isnt flopping isnt going to get you anywhere.Bread_or_Decide

Well it is news....*shrug*

Either way I can promote the goodness of Bread.

Eat more Bread.

Sliced bread is better... and muffins are best.

As for the PSP, I'm pretty sure that everyone and their dog knows that it isn't dead per say, but rather less sucessful than the DS. Then again what is, relatively speaking? 

Anyone who says the PSP is not doing well is just being a fanboy, but the truth is that it IS being totally owned by the DS, which is more of a big deal if you remember all the hype for PSP and how it was supposed to destroy the DS and all that jazz...

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

but look at the game sales. many psps aren't being bought as a gaming system. partly you have to compare it to the ipod as well.

-Sir-Poof-

U really cant compare it to anything really, nothing offers AAA title games yet at the same time bring the multi features like UMD Movie watching and music listenting.

that's part of my point. it's not just competition for the ds. many only 50% of the psp are actually from gamers. because the game sales certainly aren't reflexing a game system with as many units sold as the psp has. it's competing with the ds and the ipod...and failing against both but does make okay sales. 

This is one purchase I really don't regret, and don't really feel the need to validate, but since I'm here I'll spout off on why I like it.

I have great ports of two GTAs, Tekken, Burnout, Pirates, MGS, Warriors (God of War and Bully coming soon?) etc. on the go, anywhere I want them... I have a whole season of South Park on my mem card, as well as a bunch of mp3s if I don't feel like lugging an iPod around. I can also check my email on it, play games via Wi-Fi. I'm definitely happy with it.  

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[QUOTE="karicha9"]That's hardware. Let's talk software sales.Bread_or_Decide

Comparable to the DS in NA until about 9 months ago.

Never really went anywhere in JP at all.

Don't know about EU - DS software sales currently rule the mainland, though.

Not much to talk about, really.

Yeah. Hopefully PSP is starting a good base for the PSP2 to do much better later on.Bread_or_Decide

That's PSP's biggest problem, really. It almost certainly can't break 50 million, and as it is not the dominant console, its successor is likely to sell less than it did.

I think the Wii has taught us all that previous sales mean nothing.

No, simply that previous sales don't mean everything.

I'll admit that I'm basing my current appraisal of the PSP's strategic position leading into a successor product on the 'obvious' successor - A 'super' PSP with more hardware power, integrated memory, probably a smaller screen at the same resolution to make room for a second analog nub.  Such a product is likely to see continued moderate success, but at a moderate decline from its predecessor.

It's entirely possible that Sony will be able to create a product with unique perceived value, a la the Wii.  In this case, whatever base the PSP has established is irrelevant.  The point stands that although the PSP can be perceived as successful by certain measures, in no way can it be considered to have established a strong strategic base for its successor.

I think that the hype surrounding the PSP has had as much effect of the percepti0on of PSP as a failure as DS sales. Sony's claim it would be the next walkman and the like. And every analyst under the sun predicting Nintendo's doom and Sony's domination of the handheld space.

 

It's like with the consoles. If all 3 sold 50 million each two would be considered great success stories the other a relative failure. 

cakeorrdeath

That's right, because there werent any analysts that predicted a $400+ price tag with poor third-party support, and that it would turn out like the N-Gage:roll:

And Ninty made some claims of their own, Those "Innovative games" we kept hearing about took nearly a year after it's launch to roll in.

I got a PSP a few months ago after having DS systems for two years. I gotta say that it's one bad-arsed machine. Great games, awesome screen, multimedia functions...Cruddy battery life, but the speakers are sweet too. Did I mention that it's got some really great games too? Other than Pokemon, I rarely play my DS' compared to the hours I log on PSP.

And it's put more of a dent in Nintendo's handheld domination than any other system ever. 25 million is nothing to sneeze at...PSP will end up selling more than Xbox or GameCube did.

I got a PSP a few months ago after having DS systems for two years. I gotta say that it's one bad-arsed machine. Great games, awesome screen, multimedia functions...Cruddy battery life, but the speakers are sweet too. Did I mention that it's got some really great games too? Other than Pokemon, I rarely play my DS' compared to the hours I log on PSP.

And it's put more of a dent in Nintendo's handheld domination than any other system ever. 25 million is nothing to sneeze at...PSP will end up selling more than Xbox or GameCube did.

bryehngeocef

And it's put more of a dent in Nintendo's handheld domination than any other system ever. 25 million is nothing to sneeze at...PSP will end up selling more than Xbox or GameCube did.

bryehngeocef

it didn't put a dent though. the DS is sell better than the gba and is constantly sold out.

the psp has good marketshare compared to other competitors in the past but it's not slowing the DS down. and as i said. Many aren't being sold as game systems. thats why game sales are so poor for a 25 million userbase.

It's a mild sucess in it's own right, but it's done the complete opposite of what it was supposed to do. Instead of "destroying" the DS, or at least taking most of the market share, it's instead helped the DS, which has sold far more then it would have had the PSP not come out.ithilgore2006

how do you figure that?

That's right, because there werent any analysts that predicted a $400+ price tag with poor third-party support, and that it would turn out like the N-Gage:roll:

And Ninty made some claims of their own, Those "Innovative games" we kept hearing about took nearly a year after it's launch to roll in.

FrenziedRaldo24

What has what Nintendo claimed got to do with anything?

And from my experience the vast majority of analysts and gamers alike were predicting huge things for the PSP and the end of Nintendo's handheld dominance. 

[QUOTE="bryehngeocef"]

And it's put more of a dent in Nintendo's handheld domination than any other system ever. 25 million is nothing to sneeze at...PSP will end up selling more than Xbox or GameCube did.

Ontain

it didn't put a dent though. the DS is sell better than the gba and is constantly sold out.

the psp has good marketshare compared to other competitors in the past but it's not slowing the DS down. and as i said. Many aren't being sold as game systems. thats why game sales are so poor for a 25 million userbase.

in all honesty, software isn't selling because it's really easy to install hacked firmware on PSP. 

[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"]It's a mild sucess in it's own right, but it's done the complete opposite of what it was supposed to do. Instead of "destroying" the DS, or at least taking most of the market share, it's instead helped the DS, which has sold far more then it would have had the PSP not come out.Ontain

how do you figure that?

That's an interesting theory.  Incidentally, the reason that the DS is perceived as tromping the PSP so badly is in relation to historical benchmarks.  DS is outperforming GBA globally, and PSP is underperforming GBA globally.  From that we can be certain that the PSP hasn't hindered DS sales, but it's hard to see how PSP is responsible in part for the DS's increased success. 

The PSP has been the best handheld ever to compete with Nintendo's handheld.

Thats not saying much but it is true.

That's an interesting theory. Incidentally, the reason that the DS is perceived as tromping the PSP so badly is in relation to historical benchmarks. DS is outperforming GBA globally, and PSP is underperforming GBA globally. From that we can be certain that the PSP hasn't hindered DS sales, but it's hard to see how PSP is responsible in part for the DS's increased success.

Iyethar

Maybe one could argue that the PSP has opened some peoples eyes up to the handheld space? Or perhaps a small subtitution effect of people going into store intending to buy a PSP and comming out with a DS?

Seems very thin though. 

[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"]It's a mild sucess in it's own right, but it's done the complete opposite of what it was supposed to do. Instead of "destroying" the DS, or at least taking most of the market share, it's instead helped the DS, which has sold far more then it would have had the PSP not come out.Ontain

how do you figure that?