And the flop of the year award- the game begins with a S...

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

Spore was hyped as AAA and got AA. Many games did that this year. Don't see why spore should be singled out.

Socom was hyped as AA and got lower than A. That's a heavy flop.

Puckhog04

Socom was never hyped anything lol. No one hardly even talked about it in SW. Its still a flop, but nowhere near as much as Spore, Too Human especially, or even Fable 2. If I had to pick one, I'd say Spore on its status. Too Human based on hype and degree of floppage.

You think Socom flopped less than Fable 2? :lol:

Your opinion just went out the window, sorry. And, yes, Socom did have hype. In fact it was on most hype lists for 2008.

I've honestly never seen any hype for Socom (I browse and post in this forum almost everyday). Discussion of a game does not equate hype (this is why I wish we still did official hype threads). Yes. As far as amount of hype and status goes. Fable 2 is a bigger flop than Socom. Especially Spore. But if you wanna measure by the degree of point differential. Yeah, Socom flopped harder (but Too Human takes that award even moreso).

I'm not trying to denounce the quality of those games or implying Socom is better. But the fact remains, the hype and status for Spore and Fable 2 were leagues beyond that of Socom. My opinion stands valid.

of course it is spore. after all the hermits and everyone hyping it to be the biggest thing to happen since the invention of video games themselves, and it turns out to be garbage. a game that is nothing more than a bunch of genres done badly mashed into one game.mtradr43

Agree, until the part when you say it is garbage, the game got positive reviews from almost every site, its not like the worst game at all, but yes, it is the biggest flop of the year.

Too Human, Spore, Socom, take your pick.Bigboi500

Spore was hyped as AAA and got AA. Many games did that this year. Don't see why spore should be singled out.

Socom was hyped as AA and got lower than A. That's a heavy flop.

Puckhog04

Too Human was Hyped AAA pal :lol: +

Many Will deny it no matter what, but it WAS INDEED Hyped AAA.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"][QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

Spore was hyped as AAA and got AA. Many games did that this year. Don't see why spore should be singled out.

Socom was hyped as AA and got lower than A. That's a heavy flop.

Episode_Eve

Socom was never hyped anything lol. No one hardly even talked about it in SW. Its still a flop, but nowhere near as much as Spore, Too Human especially, or even Fable 2. If I had to pick one, I'd say Spore on its status. Too Human based on hype and degree of floppage.

You think Socom flopped less than Fable 2? :lol:

Your opinion just went out the window, sorry. And, yes, Socom did have hype. In fact it was on most hype lists for 2008.

I've honestly never seen any hype for Socom (I browse and post in this forum almost everyday). Mention of a game does not equate hype. Yes. As far as amount of hype and status goes. Fable 2 is a bigger flop than Socom. Especially Spore. But if you wanna measure by the degree of point differential. Yeah, Socom flopped harder (but Too Human takes that award even moreso).

I'm not trying to denounce the quality of those games or implying Socom is better. But the fact remains, the hype and status for Spore and Fable 2 were leagues beyond that of Socom. My opinion stands valid.

YOU haven't seen any hype for Socom. Yet, on just about every single hype list for 2008 listed in the middle and beginning of this year, Socom was on there.

Sure, Spore and Fable 2 were hyped more than Socom. Both also scored higher than Socom as well...much higher. Both pulling a AA score with Socom getting lower than an A score. If we're going by score (which is what determines a Flop in system wars so it makes sense...) then Too Human would be worse then all in terms of Flops. Socom would still be more of a flop than Spore however because, whether you want to admit it or not, it was on hype lists. Maybe YOU didn't "see" Socom on those lists but most did. Degree of hype is a matter of opinion. Some people see it and some don't. I could not come on these forums for a year straight and claim that Gears 2 had no hype but that wouldn't change the fact that it did. See what i'm saying?

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Too Human, Spore, Socom, take your pick.AgentA-Mi6

Spore was hyped as AAA and got AA. Many games did that this year. Don't see why spore should be singled out.

Socom was hyped as AA and got lower than A. That's a heavy flop.

Puckhog04

Too Human was Hyped AAA pal :lol: +

Many Will deny it no matter what, but it WAS INDEED Hyped AAA.

I remember the official hype thread having it at AA...but ok. I don't know. Either way it's still the worse flop even in terms of score.

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]

I've honestly never seen any hype for Socom (I browse and post in this forum almost everyday). Mention of a game does not equate hype. Yes. As far as amount of hype and status goes. Fable 2 is a bigger flop than Socom. Especially Spore. But if you wanna measure by the degree of point differential. Yeah, Socom flopped harder (but Too Human takes that award even moreso).

I'm not trying to denounce the quality of those games or implying Socom is better. But the fact remains, the hype and status for Spore and Fable 2 were leagues beyond that of Socom. My opinion stands valid.

Puckhog04

YOU haven't seen any hype for Socom. Yet, on just about every single hype list for 2008 listed in the middle and beginning of this year, Socom was on there.

Sure, Spore and Fable 2 were hyped more than Socom. Both also scored higher than Socom as well...much higher. Both pulling a AA score with Socom getting lower than an A score. If we're going by score (which is what determines a Flop in system wars so it makes sense...) then Too Human would be worse then all in terms of Flops. Socom would still be more of a flop than Spore however because, whether you want to admit it or not, it was on hype lists. Maybe YOU didn't "see" Socom on those lists but most did. Degree of hype is a matter of opinion. Some people see it and some don't. I could not come on these forums for a year straight and claim that Gears 2 had no hype but that wouldn't change the fact that it did. See what i'm saying?

If anything it was most likely hyped A.

Either way it's a flop, but not nearly as bad as some make it out to be. I'm on this forum literally everyday browsing and I haven't seen any hype for Socom:Confrontation that would propel it beyond A.

EDIT: AA at the most, but that's REALY pushing it.

Too Human.

Spore sounds about right. The gaming press said this thing was going to be a groundbreaking, revolutionary game. It was hyped for like two years straight. Hermits kept claiming AAAA/GOTY. They were so confident that it would do that.

It couldn't even manage AAA....

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

You think Socom flopped less than Fable 2? :lol:

Your opinion just went out the window, sorry. And, yes, Socom did have hype. In fact it was on most hype lists for 2008.

Puckhog04

I've honestly never seen any hype for Socom (I browse and post in this forum almost everyday). Mention of a game does not equate hype. Yes. As far as amount of hype and status goes. Fable 2 is a bigger flop than Socom. Especially Spore. But if you wanna measure by the degree of point differential. Yeah, Socom flopped harder (but Too Human takes that award even moreso).

I'm not trying to denounce the quality of those games or implying Socom is better. But the fact remains, the hype and status for Spore and Fable 2 were leagues beyond that of Socom. My opinion stands valid.

YOU haven't seen any hype for Socom. Yet, on just about every single hype list for 2008 listed in the middle and beginning of this year, Socom was on there.

Sure, Spore and Fable 2 were hyped more than Socom. Both also scored higher than Socom as well...much higher. Both pulling a AA score with Socom getting lower than an A score. If we're going by score (which is what determines a Flop in system wars so it makes sense...) then Too Human would be worse then all in terms of Flops. Socom would still be more of a flop than Spore however because, whether you want to admit it or not, it was on hype lists. Maybe YOU didn't "see" Socom on those lists but most did. Degree of hype is a matter of opinion. Some people see it and some don't. I could not come on these forums for a year straight and claim that Gears 2 had no hype but that wouldn't change the fact that it did. See what i'm saying?

Sure I see what you're saying. The point I'm getting at is there were never any numbers attatched to Socom. It flopping was like a low-key movie being recieved poorly in critics eyes versus a Steven Speilberg (Spore/Fable 2) film not meeting expectations.

Socom was on lists. Throw-away lists. Its presence never carried any weight or hype. Also: nice telling me that my opinion "just went out the window", then after I provided a sensible argument, you say "degree of hype is a matter of opinion".

BTW, I never really got my full input in the thread topic. As much as I anticipated and hyped Spore myself I think it flopped the hardest. In terms of points: Too Human.

I'm going to say yes. The game was being hyped AAA, AAAA everywhere, and when it came out it got solid reviews... middle 80s :\

I played it for 9 hours the week it came out, and I haven't touched it since. The different gameplay elements were so shallow, and I never bothered to play the space level because I got bored.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"][QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]

I've honestly never seen any hype for Socom (I browse and post in this forum almost everyday). Mention of a game does not equate hype. Yes. As far as amount of hype and status goes. Fable 2 is a bigger flop than Socom. Especially Spore. But if you wanna measure by the degree of point differential. Yeah, Socom flopped harder (but Too Human takes that award even moreso).

I'm not trying to denounce the quality of those games or implying Socom is better. But the fact remains, the hype and status for Spore and Fable 2 were leagues beyond that of Socom. My opinion stands valid.

TREAL_Since

YOU haven't seen any hype for Socom. Yet, on just about every single hype list for 2008 listed in the middle and beginning of this year, Socom was on there.

Sure, Spore and Fable 2 were hyped more than Socom. Both also scored higher than Socom as well...much higher. Both pulling a AA score with Socom getting lower than an A score. If we're going by score (which is what determines a Flop in system wars so it makes sense...) then Too Human would be worse then all in terms of Flops. Socom would still be more of a flop than Spore however because, whether you want to admit it or not, it was on hype lists. Maybe YOU didn't "see" Socom on those lists but most did. Degree of hype is a matter of opinion. Some people see it and some don't. I could not come on these forums for a year straight and claim that Gears 2 had no hype but that wouldn't change the fact that it did. See what i'm saying?

If anything it was most likely hyped A.

Either way it's a flop, but not nearly as bad as some make it out to be. I'm on this forum literally everyday browsing and I haven't seen any hype for Socom:Confrontation that would propel it beyond A.

EDIT: AA at the most, but that's REALY pushing it.

Yea there needed to be a hype thread for this. I'm guessing it would've been AA just based on that past Socom titles. I remember alot having it at AA because they thought it was going to be great but they didn't want to say AAA due to the fact that Socom had never received anything higher than a AA score at GS.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"][QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

You think Socom flopped less than Fable 2? :lol:

Your opinion just went out the window, sorry. And, yes, Socom did have hype. In fact it was on most hype lists for 2008.

Episode_Eve

I've honestly never seen any hype for Socom (I browse and post in this forum almost everyday). Mention of a game does not equate hype. Yes. As far as amount of hype and status goes. Fable 2 is a bigger flop than Socom. Especially Spore. But if you wanna measure by the degree of point differential. Yeah, Socom flopped harder (but Too Human takes that award even moreso).

I'm not trying to denounce the quality of those games or implying Socom is better. But the fact remains, the hype and status for Spore and Fable 2 were leagues beyond that of Socom. My opinion stands valid.

YOU haven't seen any hype for Socom. Yet, on just about every single hype list for 2008 listed in the middle and beginning of this year, Socom was on there.

Sure, Spore and Fable 2 were hyped more than Socom. Both also scored higher than Socom as well...much higher. Both pulling a AA score with Socom getting lower than an A score. If we're going by score (which is what determines a Flop in system wars so it makes sense...) then Too Human would be worse then all in terms of Flops. Socom would still be more of a flop than Spore however because, whether you want to admit it or not, it was on hype lists. Maybe YOU didn't "see" Socom on those lists but most did. Degree of hype is a matter of opinion. Some people see it and some don't. I could not come on these forums for a year straight and claim that Gears 2 had no hype but that wouldn't change the fact that it did. See what i'm saying?

Sure I see what you're saying. The point I'm getting at is there were never any numbers attatched to Socom. It flopping was like a low-key movie being recieved poorly in critics eyes versus a Steven Speilberg (Spore/Fable 2) film not meeting expectations.

Socom was on lists. Throw-away lists. Its presence never carried any weight or hype. Also: nice telling me that my opinion "just went out the window", then after I provided a sensible argument, you say "degree of hype is a matter of opinion".

BTW, I never really got my full input in the thread topic. As much as I anticipated and hyped Spore myself I think it flopped the hardest. In terms of points: Too Human.

What determines a Flop? Score does.

So there you go, Too Human it is. Like i said earlier, there needed to be a hype thread for Socom. That's the only reason there were no numbers attached to it though because there was no hype thread.

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

If anything it was most likely hyped A.

Either way it's a flop, but not nearly as bad as some make it out to be. I'm on this forum literally everyday browsing and I haven't seen any hype for Socom:Confrontation that would propel it beyond A.

EDIT: AA at the most, but that's REALY pushing it.

Puckhog04

Yea there needed to be a hype thread for this. I'm guessing it would've been AA just based on that past Socom titles. I remember alot having it at AA because they thought it was going to be great but they didn't want to say AAA due to the fact that Socom had never received anything higher than a AA score at GS.

The main reason it wasn't hyped is because Zipper wasn't making it. Fans didn't have much faith in Slant 6, but they have faith in the franchise.

Spore sounds about right. The gaming press said this thing was going to be a groundbreaking, revolutionary game. It was hyped for like two years straight. Hermits kept claiming AAAA/GOTY. They were so confident that it would do that.

It couldn't even manage AAA....

GinoNYC

It's official hype was AAA on these forums.

:|

Yes, it couldn't manage to reach it's hyped score, that's why it's a flop. But it definitely did not score a 5.5 and be hyped as a AA-AAA game (Too Human).

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]

If anything it was most likely hyped A.

Either way it's a flop, but not nearly as bad as some make it out to be. I'm on this forum literally everyday browsing and I haven't seen any hype for Socom:Confrontation that would propel it beyond A.

EDIT: AA at the most, but that's REALY pushing it.

Episode_Eve

Yea there needed to be a hype thread for this. I'm guessing it would've been AA just based on that past Socom titles. I remember alot having it at AA because they thought it was going to be great but they didn't want to say AAA due to the fact that Socom had never received anything higher than a AA score at GS.

The main reason it wasn't hyped is because Zipper wasn't making it. Fans didn't have much faith in Slant 6, but they have faith in the franchise.

There still needed to be a hype thread. That is literally the only reason why there is no AA/AAA/A hype score attached to this. If there were we would have a clear cut response based on "fact" according to System Wars. I use Fact loosely because it's basically just a vote of random people on this forum...of course that's what all hype threads are.

LOL at people saying Socom was a bigger flop.

It's obviously Spore, it was hyped to be the next Sims, 10/10.
Koba123

If you're honestly going to claim that Spore was a bigger flop than Too Human then the joke is seriously on you.

LOL at people saying Socom was a bigger flop.

It's obviously Spore, it was hyped to be the next Sims, 10/10.
Koba123

Even if they claim that Too human was hyped only AA, which isnt true, they're denying Mathematics...

[QUOTE="Koba123"]LOL at people saying Socom was a bigger flop.

It's obviously Spore, it was hyped to be the next Sims, 10/10.
AgentA-Mi6

Alot of people out there failed math it appears. :?

[QUOTE="Koba123"]LOL at people saying Socom was a bigger flop.

It's obviously Spore, it was hyped to be the next Sims, 10/10.
Puckhog04

If you're honestly going to claim that Spore was a bigger flop than Too Human then the joke is seriously on you.

No way.

Too Human. Particular forlks were really hyping this. Hell I wasnot expecting such a score.
Spore was a letdown though, that is clear.

This far it's Spore I guess, but there are few big games yet to be reviewed.

Personally I didn't think Spore sucked, I had a blast playing it for the first 8 hours ..unfortunately I have barely touched it since, it's just too shallow to have real replay value.

It's spore.
Seriously, it was hyped so much and coming down to it, it isn't even fun to play. It's pretty much mediocre.

"it's going to be gotg!" "10/10" , etc.

JackDaniels121

SPORE is an excellent choice, but not in SW.

THE BIGGEST FLOP OF 2008, was obvious.

TOO HUMAN and Dennis Dyack and Silicone Knights helped make that possible.

With Spore, people set themselves up for the disappointment.

It was made by Will Wright, who makes casual games. The entire time Will Wright said that it was to appeal to a massive audience leading to it not being a complex and hardcore game. People ignored it and played Spore with that mentality.

What's bugging me though is that people are acting the game is awful because it flopped. It got an 8. 8 isn't a bad score.

I gotta agree with the others on this.

Biggest flop is ...

Too Human followed closely by Socom.

With Spore, people set themselves up for the disappointment.

It was made by Will Wright, who makes casual games. The entire time Will Wright said that it was to appeal to a massive audience leading to it not being a complex and hardcore game. People ignored it and played Spore with that mentality.

What's bugging me though is that people are acting the game is awful because it flopped. It got an 8. 8 isn't a bad score.

mo0ksi

He wanted to make the game far more complex and scientific.

It was Chris Hecker who beleived it was too complex and had it... simplified for a wider audience.

Hence why the preview builds of the game months and months ago were so much better than the final product.

http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/8555.page;jsessionid=DE78B786ADC36D0C324BFC4DDFE4C725.240059#93713

This is pretty much why Spore was such a massive dissapointment.

[QUOTE="mo0ksi"]

With Spore, people set themselves up for the disappointment.

It was made by Will Wright, who makes casual games. The entire time Will Wright said that it was to appeal to a massive audience leading to it not being a complex and hardcore game. People ignored it and played Spore with that mentality.

What's bugging me though is that people are acting the game is awful because it flopped. It got an 8. 8 isn't a bad score.

skrat_01

He wanted to make the game far more complex and scientific.

It was Chris Hecker who beleived it was too complex and had it... simplified for a wider audience.

Hence why the preview builds of the game months and months ago were so much better than the final product.

LINK

This is pretty much why Spore was such a massive dissapointment.

With that info, it just adds salt to the wound.

I stand corrected then.

With that info, it just adds salt to the wound.

mo0ksi

Can't believe people are mentioning Socom in the same breath as the flops that Too Human and Spore was.

Guess it's the 360 fanboys or something, but Spore was hyped to be end-all of video games, and Too Human's been around forever. Socom was barely hyped by anybody, it was just another game added to the list of PS3 games this year.

[QUOTE="mo0ksi"]

I stand corrected then.

With that info, it just adds salt to the wound.

skrat_01

So I suppose the guys who weren't really looking forward to it would actually enjoy it the most?

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="mo0ksi"]

I stand corrected then.

With that info, it just adds salt to the wound.

aliblabla2007

So I suppose the guys who weren't really looking forward to it would actually enjoy it the most?

Never the less I am still dissapointing whenever I read about how the game was cut down for a more mainstream audience.

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="mo0ksi"]

I stand corrected then.

With that info, it just adds salt to the wound.

skrat_01

So I suppose the guys who weren't really looking forward to it would actually enjoy it the most?

Never the less I am still dissapointing whenever I read about how the game was cut down for a more mainstream audience.

I just played it recently, I actually liked it. However, the most interesting stages IMO were the first two.

My favourite aspect of the game is the creature creator. So far, it's been pretty fun creating completely messed up animals, and then putting clothes/armour on them.

I'm not going to read up on any previews, though - I don't want to be "dissapointing". :P

I just played it recently, I actually liked it. However, the most interesting stages IMO were the first two.

My favourite aspect of the game is the creature creator. So far, it's been pretty fun creating completely messed up animals, and then putting clothes/armour on them.

I'm not going to read up on any previews, though - I don't want to be "dissapointing". :P

aliblabla2007

Spore is pretty fail. It is good as a creational/customization tool but as a game it's really quite pathetic I reckon. The stage where you build cities and stuff was the only one that offered me real entertainment.

After just seeing a post saying Spore was simplified from what it could have been, I'm pretty disappointed. That is balls.

Too Human was the biggest flop this year.Ragnarok1051

this^^

and if you actually read the review, the reviewer PRAISED spore and the score imo is definitely NOT reflective of the review

Its Too Human. Lems just say socom just to try and forget the Fable 2 flop.Star67

i wonder what happened to saolin lol