Angry Joe complains about paying for copyrighted content...again!

Where did I say that Nintendo wins more than it looses by doing this?

Where did I say Youtube as a platform has its shit together?

How does any of this validate his argument of being entitled to use something for free "because others are good sports and let me"? You know the reason I made the thread.

How does any of this excuse his hilarious attempt at gathering sympathy because he is just a good enthusiastic dude trying to cover things for his fans, when for all intents and purposes he is also a business looking to make money and dodge expenses any way he can. Please lol

Yeah there is a concept of fair use, a critique should be fair fucking game.

Don't really care about the lets players part, but the fact that they copyright a review is horse shit. It would be a no-brainer in a court of law, but Google has done a shitty job actually going bat for their side of the equation legally.

While I love Nintendo and many of the games that they make they have some very draconian policies that irk me. This YouTube policy is one of them.

I'm not sure you really have a great concept of what the youtube space in general is struggling with, and the more we post the more I think I'm wasting my time.

Angry Joe isn't even saying he's "entitled" to play a nintendo game and make money. He is, since he paid money to own the game, has partnership with youtube to make revenue, and such a review would completely fall under fair use laws, but that's besides the point. Angry Joe is saying that the system nintendo uses is broken to the point where he can't make content that he knows his viewership will want, simply because it's his job and if it's not nintendo then he now has to make money from something else. If you're so intent on looking at Angry Joe as a business, then consider that he has to apologize and give an explanation to his customers for failing to bring a product that they expect him to put out.

And frankly he and other youtubers can only use their platform to make the changes that we want to see. You're basically bitching because they're using the only thing they've got to make someone larger than them listen to reason. Would you prefer the alternative? Where no one ever says anything and Nintendo gets away with being completely shitty to content creators for all eternity?

Let me get this out of the way.

1) I think Nintendo or most companies, generaly speaking, should not do this considering how popular YT is as a platform for promotion

2) I think Youtube as a platform with its automated systems, is still clucnky as shit

3) I think building careers out of companies allowing you to dump their copyrighted material is absolutey fine. If you get rich doing it congratulations, you struck gold.

4) I think if you happen to be lucky enough to find yourself in this previledged situation, someone coming in and saying "pay up friendo" doesnt suddenly give you the right to feel entitled to dodge compensations because others let you do it so far. Extra dumb points when you go ranting online about dropping coverage of that particular company because its not fair, when in truth you're just salty because their legally strict copyright practices are hurting you financially and you lost perspective of how much of what you built was out of free passes from companies believing there is mutul benefits in letting shit silde. Joe got lucky by being in the right place at the right time, and is now crying about a small taste of what happens all the time outside of his business bubble. Its hilarious how transparent the poor effort to gather sympathy for his business is.

Yes it is possible to feel all these things without contradicting yourself. Nuance exists. Its not all black and white.

Companies and businesses can copyright stuff. It's their stuff, it's their privilege to copyright it.

I can't upload movies and TV shows to YouTube because it's copyright.

I don't see the problem. Youtubers want to use content not made by them to embellish their videos and profit but when the IP holder makes a claim for profit sharing the are flabbergasted? LOL

It's his fucking job.

Here we go again... Well, first of all Nintendo's policies hurt Nintendo above all. But it is their property and they have the right to act as they want. AJ get's around 1M views on his reviews, a positive review from him would be good for Nintendo, but again, It's their choice.

But obviously AJ is banking on this. He knew this would happen and could easily find a way around it but he choose the way of the drama queen as he usually does. But it's his business so whatever..

that's nintendo for you

a bunch of greedy and backwards japanese men living in the 80s

Okay, so Nintendo has refused to let Angry Joe use their copyright-protected material for free.

Angry Joe has several options at this point. He could:

A) Agree with Nintendo's policy and share his profits with Nintendo, knowing that both would benefit from this arrangement;

B) Disagree with Nintendo and review the game using trailer footage instead, knowing that he would still benefit from his video's association with a Nintendo product;

C) Disagree with Nintendo and not review the game: or

D) Whinge about Nintendo's policy like an entitled child.

I don't want to endorse his videos, but I'm guessing that he picked option D?

@Thunderdrone: lol.. read the first line bro.. https://www.youtube.com/yt/copyright/fair-use.html

EDIT: there's even an example of Fair use in case of Criticism down there..

Its a conflict of interest, he, as a reviewer is using materials to illustrate his review. This falls under fair use. Its a conflict of interest if he has to sign up with nintendo to monetize the review, if nintendo doesn't like the review they can just pull it down or w/e.

B is wrong, they copyright trailer footage. Its an automated system and thats part of the problem is nintendo doesn't care, if hes got mario or any nintendo footage nintendo wants a cut of the add revenue.

I really feel they should revise their Youtube policy. They need a department to look at it more intimately because it honestly makes no sense when they have every right to have full confidence in a game like Breath of the Wild and allow for Youtube channels to include this game as part of their regular programming accessibly.

It feels as though they have taken a hammer to a problem that requires a more delicate solution. :/

That's actually even worse.

That way they control the money generated by that Youtuber's content (for all they bitch about copyright, if a guy like Pewdiepie made a Nintendo related video he'd easily get x10 more views than 99% of the stuff the official Nintendo puts on their channels and that would be HIS merit and work, not Nintendo's) and what they can/can't say.

Start giving too many negative opinions? They'll feel free to cast you aside and remove any "permission" you have to use their "material" on your own videos.

I personally don't have a bone in this fight since there'll always be gameplay videos, which is what I'm particularly more interested in, but that approach seems a lot more "big daddy telling you what to do" than what other publishers do.

So he can't stand in front of a green screen earning £10,000 for 5 shouting minutes off the back of an absolute masterpiece that took hundreds of thousands of man hours.

Boo hoo. Get a job ya bum.

Masterpiece..??!! lol

Seems like you never heard of PS4... which btw costs less and comes with a free game like uncharted 4.. And here, a half ass piece of garbage like 1-2 switch (meh!) costs 50 dollars.. They can't even give a free game with a OP'ed tablet worth 300 dollars.

EDIT: adding a link as a reference

Love this dude getting rektd. Thank you Nintendo for causing so much butthurt. The world needs it.

Eh, it's to Nintendo's detriment.

If you watch the video closely, he almost cries when thinking about potentially lost youtube gold.

That's about the only genuine thing in the video lol

@gigantrax:

I think Cuppers was referring to Breath of the Wild, not the Nintendo Switch.

@jumpaction: and still.. because of guys like that I was saved from spending countless dollars on trash like titanfall and yeah.. 1-2 switch.. I have no problem with zelda though, its perfect.

Zelda is perfect. However, the talk here is about Nintendo's overall policy and not just one game. I was stating an instance of their flawed marketing decisions.

@gigantrax:

I'm just trying to patch up the misunderstanding between you both. :P

I agree with Joe in this case. Their Youtube policy should be revised.

Joe has a point, but here's the thing. Joe could also do what Doug Walker (TheNostalgiaCritic) does for his movies.

Most of his Movie Reviews have footage of the Movie in them, but they're usually old, probably forgotten, and Flops. For His New Movie Reviews it's different. Usually he will often actually say he and his friends will act out the scenes in question because the movie isn't on DVD/Bluray so there's no way to get the film's scenes on the video, HOWEVER the REAL reason is because of Copyright. Doug and his Channel have gotten NUMEROUS strikes against them to the point that they have been BANNED on Youtube because of it. He and his crew are no strangers to this type of thing, Gamer Youtubers don't know how good they actually have it in comparison.

Angry Joe, while he has a very VALID point, especially with his 1-2 Switch gameplay, could actually do the same thing. If he likes to review Nintendo games, but gets Copyrighted Struck to Hell on his Videos, he should probably get creative to where his Reviews would still get the point across on what is happening in the Game and what he experienced without actually showing off the Game.

Like to be very fair, what Nintendo does on Youtube is stupid, but it's not like you can't give out your thoughts or make a compelling video of their games.

Thats all he cares about is the money. Nintendo videos are his highest preforming videos. And Nintendo took his money on them. Dude got rektd. Hes been pissed for years about it still.

But.. you know.. movies and games are totally different types of media. Game contains interactive bits. Its not much of a review if you don't show the gameplay. And, also, video games are far more complex than movies. In simple terms, You create your own movie everytime you play a game. Games like Dear Esther doesn't count because its not a "game" in my opinion.

Anybody taking Nintendo's side on this is beyond insane.

Are you sure?? Seems like Destiny review is the highest. His nintendo videos doesn't seem to even cross a million mark.. lol bro.. I think one video crossed it years ago..

@gigantrax: Thats mad money homie. Just look at the Nintendo ones he has done. Look at all the views. You can smell his butthurt from a mile away.

@iandizion713: He has every right to be butthurt, Nintendo is just being typical asshole Nintendo.

Well.. Its not just Nintendo fans who watch his content. Its the fanbase he has created over the years. It can be easily proved seeing the likes on the video. And believe me when I say, Its not easy to become a successful youtuber.

If Nintendo deems it prudent to accrue and proliferate extreme negative gamer sentiment and lessen exposure of their properties at a time when they need all the attention and goodwill they can garner, simply for pennies on the dollar and the need to exert their anal controlling tendencies, then they deserve the consequences that befall them. Any company who exercises such contemptuous authority over those who are demonstrating nothing but admiration and enjoyment of their products to others is suffering from such a degree of myopia and disdain for their audience as to be held in contempt itself.

**** Nintendo. If they desire to create animosity in the very people who support them for what amounts to minuscule profits relative to their size, they are nothing but imbeciles who are missing the forest for the trees. In greater context, there is no defense for their actions. The only merit to be found resides in legality, and anyone who's actually lived out in the real world understands that just because something is legal, does not necessarily mean it is wise.

Let people get their revenue Nintendo, as profit is not solely monetary.

The problem is the law disagrees and finds things like reviewers using footage of games to fall under fair use. The issue here is that this is being contested over Youtube's content flagging system which favours videogame publishers over content creators, rather than in the courts.

If this was being contested in courts Nintendo would lose. They wouldn't even be given the time of day. But because of the way this works (and I don't remember the specifics offhand, but Jimquisition has covered it in the past) content creators can't take Nintendo to court over it unless Nintendo is the one that initiates legal action, giving the content creator something to respond to. And why would Nintendo do that when it opens them up to liability and potential loss?

Let me put it like this: Why is Nintendo not striking out a decisive precedent establishing victory in the courts if it is genuinely in the right? Or any other publisher for that matter? Think about that.

@MirkoS77: Absolutely. Seeing the video, its not even selective manual strike. I can see the reason if a company wants to spread only positive content and taking down negative reviews. But, here, everything needs to go through Nintendo's microscope. And they need money off of it.

Oh yea for sure, a facade of "our rights", when really, it's "my money give give give".

Watching him almost blubber is probably more entertaining than the video he would have made. He should be thanking them, you're finally funny Joe.

Well.. copyright cases need a whole lot of money. I think most youtubers don't really find the need to bother. Jim Sterling only responded because it was a personal attack and Digital Homicide sued him.

@vfighter: I agree he does, it's a joy to watch. Google be rekting these fools

On this I agree. He would probably earn more laughs and money than he would ever have ever made if it was just one zelda review.

EDIT- Well. And he's still making money off Nintendo.

@gigantrax: He's making money off kids and teenagers from watching his silly content. Young people like that Angry troIIing stuff now days.

Why are his videos silly? Are all youtube videos silly or just his?

@boycie: Cause he uses angry troIIing. Plus his silly dress up stuff. It's all an act. Part of his persona. Not all are same, YouTube is very diverse.

Well.. Do recommend me a reviewer as passionate about video games as him.. This is the only reviewer I know who doesn't just stand there and say stuff like reading a magazine article.

@gigantrax: extremely short-sighted.

@gigantrax: Check out Daniel Bloodworth from Easy Allies.

Well.. rather than name calling. A suggestion would've been more helpful. And only video game reviewers.

Well.. I'm watching this video and seeing that this guy is doing exactly what I was accusing most video game reviewers of. Boring and reading scripts.

@gigantrax: He doesnt put on an act, hes real. His reviews are also amazing. Wether hes reviewing Microsoft, PC, Sony, or Nintendo...he shows the utmost respect and professionalism.

Well.. just like 20 more video game reviewers out there.