Angry Joe complains about paying for copyrighted content...again!

The thing is, that shiz is on youtube forever. So its a revenue stream that's lost to the ages. It's the same reason why Nintendo doesn't want you to keep the game they give you free every month on their future subscription service. These companies are dumb as hell giving so much away they are digging their own financial graves. Who would buy Arkham City ever again when it's been handed out free to millions of people to keep forever and ever?

Its not my job. And frankly speaking, its not Angry Joe's either. It should be Youtube (Google)'s job. Ultimately, it shows how broken Youtube's copyright policy system is.

Dude I'm behind your cause. Go get 'em. Take youtube to court as well while you're at it. Fight the man! Take down the system! You're 100% right. Show Nintendo that website in court. Print it out and slam it down onto the judges desk. Then yell out, CASE CLOSED MUTHAFUKAZ.

Exactly. Google should be the one taking Nintendo to court. Like Blockbuster did in the 90's.

Or heck what if Nintendo tells a let's player under Maker/Disney not to use game footage. Does Disney step in?

Nintendo's policy when it comes to youtubers is silly. However, I really wish they would charge double or triple to that revolting sack of smegma known as Angry Joe.

Do you know why google created those bots? Every industry, every company, was going to eat them alive in court for public display for their intellectual properties without permission. Either they create the bots or they go out of business fighting music companies and movie companies in court forever. But sure yeah, you tell Google what their job is. I'm sure they don't know. I'll print out your complaint and leave it near their office here in NYC.

That'll learn 'em. After all you are RANDOM INTERNET GUY WITH A WEBSITE LINK.

@Bread_or_Decide: It's not just on the website you dolt.

That is the legal law of the United States written up by Congress and defended by the Supreme Court

I told you its not my job to go court. Stop acting like a "manchild"..lol Considering the lawyer fees, youtubers too just move on.

Angry joe is the kid who keeps touching the electrical socket with a knife even after he's been electrocuted five, six times already. Never learns. Thinks he's entitled. Look how mad boogie got when he didn't get a free switch. These guys really think they're important lol.

Hmmm, but your case is concrete. I'm sure the biggest law firms will take you on for free just for the free publicity. Come on you have a WEBSITE LINK. That can't be beaten. This is david and goliath. You have the law on your side. This is irrefutable evidence that can take down Google and Nintendo combined.

Come on. You can't lose.

Yeah it's really stupid. The fact that they have a white list of other YouTuber channels that don't have to follow these policies and guidelines, makes it even dumber. Probably wouldn't be a big deal if ALL the other publishers and companies were doing this, but they aren't. Only Nintendo and a few other minor companies have these dumb policies in place. They want to be able to control how others view their products, which is wrong. If people don't like a Nintendo product it'll still end up on Facebook or Twitter as well. Nintendo can't stop freedom of speech.

@Bread_or_Decide: If it was 1776 you would have been a British Empire Loyalist with that attitude.

just because something is hard and seems hopeless doesn't mean you shouldn't stand up for what is right.

Is Joe being a baby and going at this the wrong way? Yes. Is he wrong? No.

Dude I'm with you. Take Nintendo to court. You can't lose. This is THE LEGAL LAW OF THE LAW. What could Nintendo's army of lawyers say to fight that? Do it man. You have my full support on this. You have a website and you are on the internet. You know everything.

Look, I'm with you. I believe you. Now take on the cause and take down Nintendo.

Music and movie studios are actually even worse. They want all the revenue and won't even share it with a creator's program. But..yeah...let's not talk about that...doesn't feed the narrative that nintendo is the evilest of evils.

@Bread_or_Decide:

Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.- Harry Truman

Wake up dude

I support you friend. Let's do this. March on washington! Free the freedom!

Well.. Who doesn't like drama?? See everything is funny when dramatized. Some people here were saying they didn't like Angry Joe because he has drama in his videos.. lol

I'm really happy a lot of the games industry doesn't take Nintendo's approach to content control. Whether they're technically entitled to do it or not, the white-lists and selective strikes feel like a sleazy way to control dialogue.

I love how all 'conspiracy theory' Joe got there at the end. I would love to think that Nintendo is purposefully singling him out lol.

We're not talking about Music and Movies however, we're talking about Nintendo. Then go and ask yourself, "Is Sony, Microsoft, Activision, EA, Apple and other big companies doing the same thing as Nintendo?" I think that's the point. Remember, Nintendo isn't using these polices for EVERYONE. That's the other kicker. Maybe they can tell judge and lawyers why their white list candidates are special and don't have to follow the harsh rules.

Fair point. Joe is ether gonna have to play by Nintendo rules or GTFO as far as youtubers concern. But of course, Jim Sterling admitted on one of his Nintendo Switch videos he had to cut-out very few Nintendo content just to get youtube revenue and he's just more shady then Joe is.

Back then, Youtube was independent content until Google merge with Youtube and after that, Google took over what goes on into Youtube. Yes Google created the bots and Youtube only got those Bots in the first place is because Youtube is part of google. I know this cause I'm always on Google+ and we have to face Bots on what we post over there.

Yeah and one day they'll all realize they left money on the table thinking these youtube losers actually helped them sell copies of their games. These are bold moves. Xbox live as a pay service. Two free games every month. Bethesda saying F-U to early reviews and critics. Eventually the rest fall in line and I see many others that will follow in Nintendo's footsteps. It's time to stop begging these losers for "free promotion" without getting a dime out of it. They are nobodies preaching to people who don't even pay for games they'd rather watch other people play them for free.

Maybe nintendo has all these policies in place because they dont want journalist showing videos like this to the public. Shit, I should e-mail this to Reggie. Nintendo should spend more time perfecting their products instead of trying to block peoples opinions of their products.

Watching this makes me not want to get a Switch anytime soon.

And yet.. due to these nobodies like Joe. I was saved multiple times from making a bad purchase. 60 dollars may not mean much to you but it does to me. Youtubers like Angry Joe isn't there to make companies like Nintendo money (that's what IGN is for), they're critics, they are here to save us from a bad purchase.

The battle between Nintendo and most YouTubers (despite being a fan of most of them, including Angry Joe) is like fighting Fascism with Communism at this point.

Twitch is inadvertently going to expose the whole system. I like to go into chat and ask people who plans on buying the game and who actually owns the systems. The response is usually low in volume, but the majority of the responses are along the lines of, "I'm just here to watch the single player." Just look at the top games every Tuesday. The new releases are way up there for a few days until the streamers finish the campaigns. Once that's done it's back to watching League, CS and DOTA. With Twitch implementing the "buy now" feature, developers and publishers will have direct access to metrics showing the correlation between channel views and game sales.

Twitch and Youtube have become nothing but clickbait services where streamers take advantage of ad revenue. The actual draw is the games, but all the revenue is going to the streamers and the hosting sites. Once the devs and publishers wake up and realize they've been taken advantage of, they will follow Nintendos stance and even go beyond. Without the games, these "content creators" would have no draw. Why should any company gift their content that they invested millions in, to random people on the internet so they can make money? It takes some crazy ass entitled line of thinking to believe this is a "right."

Yes! Agree 100%. Youtubers have never swayed me to buy or not buy a game. I watch for entertainment purposes only. Then I stopped watching them when everything became loot crate sponsored, sponsored lets plays, and streams of people just playing a game which I can only stand for maybe ten or fifteen minutes before getting bored.

My fav youtubers do analytical videos and analysis videos.

@goldenelementxl said:

@gigantrax said:

And yet.. due to these nobodies like Joe. I was saved multiple times from making a bad purchase. 60 dollars may not mean much to you but it does to me. Youtubers like Angry Joe isn't there to make companies like Nintendo money (that's what IGN is for), they're critics, they are here to save us from a bad purchase.

Showing silly memes ain't gonna change the fact. Well, titanfall is standing as proof there. In PC, its practically dead now.

1. Bad games are often obviously bad. But even then if you honestly want to play something no one will stop you. There's a part of me that STILL wants to try out devils third.

2. Okay, they're critics. That doesn't entitle them to using hours and hours of footage from a product. Again, why do you think stuckman, jahns, movie bob, and shmoes know never use movie footage? Hmm?

3. As for being saved from a bad purchase...there's tons of critics out there, beyond youtubers, I think criticism is safe as an institution. It's not going anywhere. Even after the zombie apocalypse we'll have critics reviewing the types of zombies that exist or whether or not they are worth killing or being killed by.

@gigantrax said:

@goldenelementxl said:

@gigantrax said:

And yet.. due to these nobodies like Joe. I was saved multiple times from making a bad purchase. 60 dollars may not mean much to you but it does to me. Youtubers like Angry Joe isn't there to make companies like Nintendo money (that's what IGN is for), they're critics, they are here to save us from a bad purchase.

Showing silly memes ain't gonna change the fact. Well, titanfall is standing as proof there. In PC, its practically dead now.

Why didn't youtube help sales of titanfall 2? Everyone said it's worth playing and is way better than the first. And yet...crappy sales nonetheless. Where was joe's incredible powers then?

@blackace:

Wowzerz, that may exceed the level of even Phony, the one and only. . lol :P

So you're a business, you make and sell a product. Is your product exempt from scrutiny and critical review? Do the mass consumers not have a right to know the quality of your product before they decide to spend their money on it?

Because what Joe is talking about here are reviews of products, and that's something that clearly falls under journalistic protections. Freedom of the press allows for criticism of any public figure (be that politician or celebrity), and in matters of consumerism/capitalism the right to provide accurate information on a product, regardless of favoritism. And this applies equally to TV media, print media, and web media. I know some people here scoff "it's just a nobody youtuber" and that's just ignorant. Doesn't matter whether it's a major network, large publishing firm, or a small independent channel; that indie still puts in the due diligence (most do anyway) and it's still the press and all that entails. What does it matter that he gets paid to do this? So do all reviewers for any field in any media.

The use of game footage is relevant to the content. If someone is going to make harsh remarks about a given game, shouldn't they be able to show examples of what they're talking about to support their criticism? This idea of "well he can just do his review without showing the material" is disingenuous bullshyte. Without visual demonstrations, it's only the reviewers word to go by. What then? A company can sue the reviewer for slander/libel because they trash talked a product without providing proof to back it up? That would be absurd.

Make no mistake, this isn't about content usage in the interest of the company protecting their property. It's about censorship! It's a company that exploits a platform system that allows them to shut down anyone who would dare to speak negatively about them and their product. It's a loophole out of accountability for the quality of their product. And the whole "white list" isn't some act of magnanimous charity on Nintendo's part. It's their way of exercising control so that the only approval goes to those who promise not to say anything bad about them. It's just dressed up fascist propaganda.

Now so far, Breath of the Wild has received greatly positive reviews, and I have no reason to believe that's undeserved. Nor that Joe will be harsh with the game. Good chance that this 1, 2 game will get the whip. But that's not the point. On general principle, Joe should have the right to freely express his opinions on the game (again regardless of which way that opinions swings) and to be able to show material that provides context to his opinion.

And I'm dismayed at some of the people supporting Nintendo in this. You're essentially endorsing censorship.

There are times when Youtube has become a safe heaven for those who thinks Youtube is a regular job but I can definitely say that the whole gaming viewing marketing has become oversaturated as hell now. But bare in mind that there are youtubers I like when it comes to PC only like JazTwoCents & Paul's Hardware who focus on primary PC alone and that's saying something, PC youtubers are always good to get to know more PC contents but gaming itself is now becoming oversaturated and I just think it's too late for other gaming publishers to do anything about it. Believe me, PC companies love to get there stuff streaming into youtube for more marketing.

What censorship? I see a ton of zelda reviews on youtube, metacritic, and on the internet. What's being censored exactly? Written reviews find ways to explain why the game is good or bad without showing tons of pictures or footage of the game. Zero copyright takedowns on those.

1. Well. I didn't know 1-2 switch was that bad. If not for Joe, I would obviously had bought it.

2. Lol.. bro. You obviously do not know the difference between movies and games. Allow me to enlighten. Movies are played on screen they're not interactive content. They don't require interaction. Games on the other hand are interactive media. There's no content until you're actually in control of a game. (Apart from that, reviewers don't use hours of footage. They only take the footage that they think is relevant to make their point. So are movie reviewers. Everyone knows about Honest Trailers by Screen Junkies, I hope.)

3. Yeah. But, not all of them are really honest. Well.. Most of them are not. IGN included. I am not an Angry Joe Fanboy. But, I really tell you, we need more critics like him.

P.S- An average consumer doesn't have unlimited money. 60 dollars is still a big deal.

Who said anything about picking sides?

He has a LONG history of complaining that Copyright strikes shouldn't happen because "99% of other companies don't do this to me".

Was it last year or two years ago he had a meltdown because Nintendo flagged his Let's Plays? Only to do what? The exact same shit weeks later.

Now he is back at it. Knowing this is a thing that happens despite most companies letting it slide because he is big enough. Thing is, this understanding where one company stops charging the other in hopes that they get free publicity, isn't a deal you are entitled to. No one owes him a free pass, yet he keeps coming back with monetized rant videos over and over like clockwork... almost as if he found a way to make money off of a situation he has no moral high ground to stand lol

-He could be creative with his nintendo reviews to bypass CC.

-He could open a non monetized channel and ask for donations.

-He could do minimum coverage and not monetize.

-He could become a "Nintendo partner".

-Or he could periodically bitch and moan that Nintendo should leave him alone as others do because he is doing "them a solid", pretending its about some mutual benefit morals when in truth he feels he shouldn't abide by the rules of paying for owned content in order to embelish his business.

He chose the last. Go figure. Its funny because his tune changed actually. He is a lot more soft spoken this time around after being laughed at and smacked around in other forums for the tone he decided to go in his original Nintendo rants! The whole "is it right or wrong, its for you to decide" crap he now says wasnt around when he was hoping to garner sympathy in his earlier DRAMA videos. Its almost as IF.... he either realized no one owes Youtube businesses charity work, or thought "shit, this is not sticking! Better backtrack". Its hilarious!

Because people were burned by titanfall in the past. Its practically a defunct game on PC right now.

Its kind of his thing to create a PSA video. That makes him money and warns other youtubers. 3 strikes can get your channel killed.

PSA = Public Service Announcement

Did you get lost trying to find another thread? What is this shite lol

@gigantrax said:

@goldenelementxl said:

@gigantrax said:

And yet.. due to these nobodies like Joe. I was saved multiple times from making a bad purchase. 60 dollars may not mean much to you but it does to me. Youtubers like Angry Joe isn't there to make companies like Nintendo money (that's what IGN is for), they're critics, they are here to save us from a bad purchase.

Showing silly memes ain't gonna change the fact. Well, titanfall is standing as proof there.

Joe doesn't care about what you play or buy. If Joe didn't make money doing this, he would be doing something else. Joe wants your clicks, subs and likes. Nothing more. Joe doesn't know you and doesn't care about you. The fact that you are so enchanted by this man is alarming.

Truth.

There are kids in placed like Iraq and Syria horrible circumstances Women previously slaves of ISIS, soldiering on regardless of terrible misfortune.

And here we are... a rich, chubby, 30 year old man, almost crying because he can't hijack thousands of revenue off a billion dollar company. Hoping 14 years jump aboard a smear campaign.

The most pitiful thing you will ever see.

Crowbcat does this on every console/game launch. PS4Pro got a simillar video lol

So is Trump. lol..

I think the ones supporting him are people who hope to someday make a living sitting on their butts playing and reviewing video games on youtube. That ship has sailed my friends. The youtube bubble will pop. Hell, joe is tired of it, most people seem tired of it. The 2-3 million sub channels are fewer and fewer. Do it for fun, but the chances of being a youtube millionaire are lower than ever. Joe got in at the perfect time. The people fighting this fight think they're fighting for their future career on youtube.

OK. brothers and sisters.. My train is at the station. This was a funny discussion. I heard forums are great time pass. Lol.. Bye..

You could have checked almost ANY coverage of 1 2 Switch to learn it was a bad game. So don't credit Joe for deterring your ignorance.

Remember when his fanbase bought him Nintendo consoles and games to incentivize SOME sort of limited coverage when his excuse was that he didn't want to spend money not knowing if he could make it back with video revenew? Remember what he did with that free stuff? Jack shit, thats what. lmao

"I uploaded a Nintendo Let's Play of us playing with the stuff you donated but (as expected) it got flagged *GASP*. No more coverage as I have morals!!! But thanks for the free stuff, idiots."

Truly a shinning bastion of unmatched love for the medium, here to save us from money hungry IGNs and Gamespots!!!

@goldenelementxl said:

@gigantrax said:

1. Well. I didn't know 1-2 switch was that bad. If not for Joe, I would obviously had bought it.

P.S- An average consumer doesn't have unlimited money. 60 dollars is still a big deal.

You could have checked almost ANY coverage of 1 2 Switch to learn it was a bad game. So don't credit Joe for deterring your ignorance.

Ok last thing. Jesus. I stopped viewing aggregate sites like metacritic after the Star Trek the Video game debacle. Another angry joe video about that issue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB7r9m9vYNA