Angry Joe complains about paying for copyrighted content...again!

Joe only cares about money. Heck until a month ago he barely even did reviews anymore. He's too busy getting drunk off his ass on Twitch where people....TIP MONEY while people play videogames.

Ya know I honest to gawd tell people this is happening in the world today, and they don't believe me. "What's twitch?" "What? TIPPING THEM TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES? WHAT?"

Yeah, Nintendo would probably lose billions if they let you keep some freaking NES games. All hail the Nintendo overlords!

Yet people find it ok to copyright music and remove movies on the intrnet. What's so different about this?

It's indedeed a privelege to make money out of someones elses work. Meanwhile he makes money with his whine video.

This is why you're CEO of nothing.

@Thunderdrone:

I can understand where Nintendo is coming from. I also understand where other companies are coming from when they allow YouTube users to use their content too. Quite frankly, I dislike the idea of YouTubers getting some type of compensation in general.

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@speedfog: movies and music =/= games, its not the same thing...

@killered3: In general? So separate from the argument of copyright at hand, you don't think that entertainers who work full time and beyond on their craft deserve compensation? Because some bullshit "get a real job" sheep mentality? Serious question here.

It's all intellectual property. Protected by many of the same laws.

@darkspineslayer: When your craft requires video of other peoples work in order to be entertaining or worth watching, It might be time to find a new craft. Youtubers like Boogie2988 have no trouble being entertaining or talking about video games without footage. He's talented. And honestly, I could watch Joe get drunk and talk shit all day. That's when he is entertaining. This crying about footage stuff is him trying to keep this "content creator" hustle going. He's not doing it for the community like people think he is. Because if he cared that much he would let Nintendo take the revenue and give the content to his fans anyway.

You sir are my favorite system wars person.

@Bread_or_Decide: exactly why i cant stand Joe anymore. I used to like his reviews but all he does is whine now.

His entitlement ego is way too big. Go get a real career instead of relying on handouts off Twitch Joe!

@darkspineslayer:

Now, I never said anything about having a "get a real job" mentality. What people choose to do in their free time is their business. I just don't find it fair that they get money off it. Because then, it's not a hobby anymore. It's a lifestyle. I don't see how YouTubers can justify that when they bring up bullshit saying, "It's just a hobby."

If Devs and Publishers care that much about it they would have stopped it many, many years ago. I think for them it's like free advertising. Sure they could stop all of this, but then they would have to run their own sites and channels and hire hosts, etc.., etc.. Most devs, publishers and marketers don't want to get involved with it. Obviously Nintendo likes it as well, as they want only certain people who will kiss their @ss and praise everything Nintendo to have that right. Their are YouTubers who have Nintendo's blessings to review and post their content on YouTube. So you're completely wrong on all accounts.

@AdobeArtist:

you are wrong about how youtube works. Yes, a company can file a claim against ANY video they want. Hell, any random person can do the same and claim anyone else's video. The content creator can challenge any claim however, and then the content creator will get all the control and money back from that video if successful. I believe that youtube even changed how claims work so that payment is delayed so that any creator has ample time to either change their video around or successfully challenge the claim. If someone like Joe is truly in the right, then he would lose no money. The only possible problems are that either Joe just doesn't like filing counter-claims, that is really is not in the right, or that youtube just isn't standing up for their content creators.

Nintendo's power in filing claims is limited.

That's beside the point I was making and your false equivalency isn't worth trying to debate, since you clearly don't seem open to discussion or able to understand how a "journalist" being beholden to their subject is a bad idea.

God damn it hurt my soul to call Joe a "journalist". But that is the brass tax.

Why is it not fair that they create entertainment and make money for their effort? I've never known someone who calls themselves a "youtuber" and doesn't consider it a career.

Wow there are people here defending Nintendo's youtube monitoring?

@darkspineslayer:

That's my point. It shouldn't BE a career. It's supposed to be something that you use to post random crap, not fabricated crap. They don't get paid for "entertainment", they get paid by exploiting advertisement companies. These companies don't care if your videos are good, they only care about the amount of traffic the videos get. You know what that means?

You can post a video of a cute koala bear crying and get a million hits and make money off it. BRILLIANCE!! People like Markiplier show how filthy this exploitive business is with his fake yelling and enthusiasm that you would see an actor use. Real videos of people aren't real anymore, they're just people taking advantage dumb advertising companies. They're basically scam artists.

then dont do it. Angry joe just keep bitching about things. If he wants to just do a quick summary on his feelings on the game with zero problems he can do a vlog and im sure the people who like him will still watch it.

@killered3: If its so easy then why doesnt everyone do it? Not everyone makes it, you have to have a product that people want

This is the main reason I grew to really dislike joe. Fans payed for the equipment and he basically spat in their face out of "principle" the least he could of done is do a volg on each game he played using said system to give the fans something out of the money they spent,but nope. You never screw fans cause end of the day fans got angry joe to where he is not the other way around.

The kids these days are growing up as a YouTube generation, My 9 year old twins don't watch TV they watch Youtube. Companies can either get on the band wagon and engage them or miss the boat.

Please don't tar us all with the same brush

Some of you people just come off as so mean-spirited, you seem to enjoy tearing others down and belittling them. I'm glad that there are people like Joe and others putting stuff out on YouTube, they provide an entertaining product that I enjoy to watch. I'll support them any way that I can. I find his reviews to be quite fun to watch with all the costumes and little skits that puts into them.

This is a political matter as far as I'm concerned, it sucks for sure & I don't necessarily agree with Nintendo, but at the end of the day it's their property and what they want to do with it is their prerogative.

@aigis:

Not necessarily a product that everyone likes, just a video anyone can enjoy. Some of the most popular YouTube videos ever are just silly cute things like everyone's favorite sneezing baby panda.

I think it has more to do with networking. Some youtubers get attention cause of other youtubers who shout them out. Thats what starts the train. Its also being at the right place at the right time.

Jesus Christ. I came back hoping maybe some reason had seeped into the discussion but it's just getting worse, now we have people deciding that no one should make any money from youtube for any type of video. I'm so done with this thread.

If you want to keep pretending your corporate shilling is in the right be my guest, I don't have the interest left to deal with this level of shitposting.

Thats like saying people on television don't get paid for being entertainment, they get paid by exploiting advertisement companies. Its literally the same system, except on youtube advertising companies actually WAY more bang for their buck. Which btw, advertising companies are not remotely close to "dumb", the take something that is entirely unnecessary and make billions off it so lets not do this "ohhh poor dumb advertising companies"... they will go, where the viewership is and they will profit, always. Its sad that you consider channels you simply dont like as "exploitative business" when you have no reason to actually say this.

Youtube is actually probably the best form of video media out there, this is because its cheap for anyone to do, you do what you want, and if people enjoy they will watch and you can be successful. (traditionally) there has been little corporate influence or forced viewing of something you dont like or dont want to watch.

And who says this cannot or should not be a career? You? Who cares what you think? Who cares what i think on it? Its one of the least augmented relationships between creator and viewer we've ever seen. Why you'd want to propose that someone cannot make a living out of this entertainment, is beyond me. It seems to be more of a personal thing for you and with your silly reasoning, we can apply this to ANY form of entertainment... for example:

Every year at xmas one of the highest viewed shows on cable tv is what?

Animal Planets puppy bowl. 8 hours of puppies running around on a fake football field. That is it, if puppies cried, it would be more interesting. By this rationale you're suggesting animal planet or the people on these shows, should not have careers right? Because you dislike how simple, yet attractive to many viewers, the concept is.

Lets expand this to products shall we?

The pet rock made millions, the people at the company became wealthy enough to never work again. This is a stupid idea imo, im sure you think the same, but by your rationale because its stupid, they should not be able to have made a career out of it.

Its called basic business. Business 101. Supply and demand. Learn it.

funny but true

Not apologizing here, but Nintendo has every right to enforce their copyright as they see fit. Is it a stupid PR/business move giving up tons of free advertising? Absolutely is, but they are entitled to be stupid about it. Bitching about Nintendo doing with their shit what they want to is pathetic on Angry Joe's part.

lol

He's a reviewer, he gets money for reviewing games. He is the person between us and company's trying to scam us.

You have an argument for people who just play through the whole game (especially those who don't put their own foot forward with like a voice over to talk and entertain during it)

However Angry Joe is well within fair use, it's the reason they don't take it to court and instead just abuse the broken copyright issues that youtube in particular has.

Of course they are, and those who defend them astonish me. They get so caught up in legality and the micro that they cannot for the life of them see the macro. They don't see the free exposure this could bring. They fail to recognize the animosity that fills message boards because of this policy and how anti-consumer and contemptuous towards their supporters Nintendo is viewed. They are somehow clueless that Nintendo's coming off their worst selling console ever and needs all the gamer goodwill they can muster.

"But oh no! Someone's making a bit of money of Nintendo's works!"

So fucking what? Can Nintendo not afford it? Some companies PAY Youtubers to show their games, go figure. This company and its defenders couldn't see the bigger benefits of letting YTbers use their properties (even if they profit from them) if their very lives depended upon it.

@kod:

It's everyone's god given right to bitch about something. And it's my god given right to bitch about an unfairness I see. I'm not saying that advertising companies are victims but they're literally the only means of compensation for the scam artists. If they decided to stop, every YouTuber would be screwed and forced to find real work.

And no, I don't just consider channels I don't like as exploitive businesses, I consider ALL of them exploitive businesses. They ruined everything that YouTube was made for and turned it into a get-rich-quick scam.

Nintendo being its good ol' ass backwards self for a change. This weeks eShop update consisted of two games, one Neogeo and one indie game. I will be looking back next week although I know I'll be spending A lot of time in Zelda, just because how damn huge it is, BUT Jesus Christ get the eShop up and running! :D

*facepalm* please dont inflate his ego.

I'm not, that's what all reviewers are who aren't in the back pocket of the people making the stuff they are reviewing.

@putaspongeon: you making it sound like all developers are some sort of boogy man. Someone who does reviews goal or at least should be thier goal is to give some info on the game and thier thoughts on it. With that a viewer/reader then sees if the game is up thier ally. It's not that there's a fact yes or no if the developer is trying to scam you.

Nowadays what you said isn't true, they want money.

Any person wants money. Hell joe wants money why do you think hes bitching about this. Its not cause hes some sort of saint.

No it is not, it's called fair use, how about you actually look up the actual copy write laws before you spout off more.. Joe makes money due to his audience which he has helped cultivate with his content with his critiquing of said developers.. I swear its like people actually LIKE to be bent over further by these companies with dribble like this.. You don't have to like Joe (I am indifferent with his content), but please look up what fair use is. Because what Nintendo does is absolute horseshit.

Nintendo are such dicks about it that Jim Sterling had to create the double dip move where two different branches of the same company would make a copy write claim, canceling each other out.. Why would he do this? Because Nintendo went after Sterling for having a small video of Nintendo on there that he was doing for free, in which they wanted to force Sterling's video to have ads and have it go to Nintendo.. How is that not shit?

... Well yeah it is his career and its not like he is being unreasonable, Nintendo is literally smacking him in the face and completely disregarding fair use. It's bullshit, especially when his content for Nintendo most times is incredibly positive giving them free advertising.

@sSubZerOo: Google said deal with it to Angry Joe. Google rektd his world. He whined to Google and Youtube back-slapped his arse.

You like bending over further? This really isn't about defending angry Joe as so much as calling companies bullshit on clear violation of fair use under copy write laws.. Any person with half a brain cell should be against the kind of shit Nintendo pulls because it is in fact taking rights you have.

@sSubZerOo: His fans will defend him no matter what. But they scared of Youtube. Even though it was Youtube who pimped him. Google worked dat ass.

Which fans would those be here?

@sSubZerOo: I dont keep count, just follow the tears. Google said...cry me a river little Joe. Youtube pimp his ass. Work it Joe. Fuckin tool.

So you are in favor of having less rights? And completely disregarding your right to fair use? Better get rid of your signature, because you are clearly taking content from Nintendo with out their permission.

@sSubZerOo: He aint gonna say shit either. Hes afraid of Youtube. Google done pimped him. Google said, i dare you Joe, i dare yo little ass say something. Say somethin fool, watch how fast he whoop dat ass. Dude got rektd.