Angry Joe complains about paying for copyrighted content...again!

@sSubZerOo: It's not about having fewer "rights." It's about the audacity of folks thinking they have the right to profit from other people's work. If money wasn't involved, things would be different. And if Joe really cared about his audience getting the content, he would take the revenue hit and follow the rules set forth by Nintendo. Or he could review a game with no footage like many others do successfully.

And let's get something straight. Joe isnt on Nintendos "white list" because of the foul language he uses in his videos. Boogie2988 openly admits that's why he's not. Joe likes to play the "Nintendo is just being mean" card which is disingenuous and he knows it. Joe is playing to his audience and they are eating it up. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech or even fair use. This is Joe refusing to follow the rules and then acting upset when he's disciplined. And all of you overly entitled millennials are falling for it.

Joe has over 1.5 million views on Nintendo videos in 5 days. He knows what he's doing.

two words: Fair Use.. If you need more I suggest you go watch a few Jim Sterling's videos on it.. Nintendo has been violating the fair use clause of people countless times.. What Joe and any content creator does is UNDER FAIR USE, so YES it is just that about having fewer rights.. Every one has the right to show material of others injected into their own content for educational or commentary.. If that weren't the case let's players WOULD NOT EXIST.

... White list? Nintendo doesn't have a list, the only way you can show any thing Nintendo is if you go into their club in which they take a massive cut from ANYTHING you do while having complete control over your content.. If this were cut and dry it wouldn't be just Nintendo or a handful of others, it would be every one.

Overly entitled millennials? Where did I say we deserve it? No where, I am simply pointing out the law when it comes to Fair Use. There is a fine line between completely ripping Nintendo content and playing it while adding nothing to it.. Compared to having small parts while providing commentary, criticism, which falls under FAIR use. If Fair Use didn't exist, places like Twitch would not exist.

Tell me did you ask for permission from Sega to use that sonic avatar and sig?

@sSubZerOo: He works for Google now. Google said **** his rights. What he gone do. He aint gone shit. Youtube pimped dat ass. He should have never signed that Youtube agreement.

Shame on greedtendo for exploting the broken ass policies of his employer >:(

lel

@sSubZerOo: Am I receiving ad revenue from having a Sega character in my sig?

no hes coming off like a jerk. He has this inflated ego and he swears he himself sells their games and its cause of him that they get the sales. Hes not using facts hes using hear say. This is his third time THIRD TIME doing this video about nintendo. Its clearly click bait and nothing more sadly it works. Joe swears its about his passion and fans,but its clear its the dollar he cares for not the fans and not his love for video games. Hell he made that very clear after the wiiu situation.

Angry Joe does increase the sales of games, he's not the single benefactor of it but he does increase sales, just like how arguably pewdiepie created the market for the soulsborne genre by creating attention for dark souls 1.

Nintendo are one of the only companies that actively attack people who are under fair use (the others are scummy asset flippers who are upset they get bad reviews) and they don't do it under court where they'd lose, they use the broken systems of youtube to get more cash money.

show me hardcore proof. Show me proof that without joe some of these games would drop in sales. Please do this after you walk away from your angry joe shrine. Im sorry,but im sure these games would do well without someone like joe. Also it couldint be the fact that demons souls did well that dark souls did well. Na couldint be that.

Common sense, this isn't really up to debate.

He has around 2.75 million (just short of it) subscribers. People with 1k subscriptions slightly even lead to sales.

I'm a casual angry joe viewer, I'm an easy allies dick rider, not angry joe. I have a shrine for Michael Huber, not the Joes.

Do well yes, Joe still creates attention and sales. But yeah, it's the objective truth that youtubers effect sales, clearly not e3 levels of hype but youtubers are pretty much tv for the new generation (sadly)

@putaspongeon: Micheal Huber called Breath of Wild his favorite and easiest 10 game. Hes addicted to it and the Switch. And you know Huber HATES handhelds. But he loves handheld Switch.

@putaspongeon: no actually it is up for debate. You really think people like Joe are responsible for a good chunk of sales? I'm sorry but that laughable and that mind frame helps create people like Joe. Who become self entitled jerks with inflated egos who think they are owed something and deserves some sort of thanks from companies who should bow down to them. People like Joe are easily replaceable and it's sad he can't see that.

Just because I praise him as my god doesn't mean I like zelda =w=

Honestly he has a bit of nostalgia and likes some games that aren't the best. He doesn't really do the reviews though either there, tabletop is my main go to for them.

@putaspongeon: Im just telling you he loves the new Zelda and Switch. Even though he stated he was sick of open world games and hates handhelds.

Leave Joe alone! Nintendo is one of the only video game companies that is doing this on Youtube. Angry Joe is the victim here and I don't care what any Nintendo defender says about that. Let Joe do his job.

A person who has 2.7m or whatever I said subscribers is a big source of advertisement and sales.

"helps people like Joe"
You're acting like I'm talking about a drug cartel, Angry Joe objectively creates sales, just like pewdiepie, markiplier, etc etc.

He shouldn't get egotistically about it but he has done something impressive with his channel and he's put years into it, I'd take his spot if I could.

Easily replaceable? Why don't you do it and get all that cash money then? What excuse are you going to use? The fact is that you'd fail in the ind ustry and very few succeed like he has.

So yeah, **** off with your bullshit, he creates sales no matter how you view it, there are statistics of stuff like this where influxes of sales happen surrounding youtube videos of well reviewed games from certain reviewers. People use reviewers to justify which games to buy.

For large AAA budgeted titles you could say that the influence of a few big youtube coverages is generally insignificant. But for titles that need exposure these types of reviewers can be the vital difference between flop and success. At the high end of that is of course Minecraft. You think it would even be a 1/10th as successful if it hadn't exploded virally on youtube? Not likely, even the creators have attributed the success to it's viral nature. What about titles like Arma and it's DayZ mod, or the general craze for survival games? And I know, anecdotally, I've purchased at least a couple small indie games because they were covered by Totalbiscuit, who I generally go to for such coverage.

Joe is not my guy, I don't like that he covers 99% AAA games and uses lots of visual gimmicks to try getting the point across. But I think you should not downplay the importance of viral marketing, and the reviewing space of places like twitch and youtube. They can have a big impact on the market, one that should not be so casually dismissed. If people watch other people talk about and having fun with a game, they are more inclined to purchase it. Simple as that.

@Vaasman: Problem is they feed off the AAA games for clicks. Theyve become leeches. Thats why Google has to put them in their place and show them whos real boss. If they dont like it, Youtube will just replace them with some other actor.

@putaspongeon: he is easily replaceable if he wasint there people would just go see somewhere else. It's not like he's some pillar of the industry holding it up. He just another mouth piece who was there at the right place and right time. The fact that there are others with high followers and subscribers show he's not some special snow flake.maybe he does create some sales,but no where near the amount your trying to portray. Games do not soly live or die based on joe. If that was the case the industry wouldint exist today. No the industry will continue to live on long after someone like Joe is gone.

@iandizion713: It's almost sad how wrong you are on just about any topic you post about.

Is everyone still going? I thought we would get tired eventually

DO we know that? Have you promoted through your postings in putting traffic into a site or content for gain? That is the fucking point, if they were given such power you can be damned right they would go after you.. Jim Sterling's videos DIDN"T have ad revnue it was ad free, no money made video and Nintendo tried to monetize it for THEMSELVES.

I find it hilarious that the people who are defending this shit are using trademarked characters with out permission from their owners.. Freaking hilarious.

And please stop talking out of your ass, there is no white list for Nintendo.. There is Nintendo club which basically takes a big bite out of all profits made from the said channel regardless of it even involving Nintendo.. Its basically a big middle finger to any kind of content creator and is a clear violation of fair use (which supersedes copy write claims) in multiple countries..

Nintendo doesn't need his business. He just needs to shut up and either create content featuring Nintendo content, pay Nintendo or don't. Pretty simple.

Do you not believe in the Fair Use Act?

Do you think companies should be able to charge you for making a video of you using their product......that YOU bought?

Think about that.

What if Apple charged you for doing a video unboxing?

What if Sony charged you for doing a lets play of Horizon?

Using and reviewing software or hardware falls under the Fair Use Act.

Nintendo is even taking down REVIEWS of their content if you dont pay them...............to review their product...............

@navyguy21: The fair use argument isn't particularly clear-cut, and the fact that you bought a game doesn't excuse you from infringing on that game's copyright.

If you want to use a substantive amount of someone else's copyright-protected work for your own videos, I'm pretty sure the onus is on the video-maker to prove that they've used it fairly.

Screw these gaint greedy coporate pigs. Nintendo can get bent!

I understand the fair use act because it affects anything i put out from my office.

What YouTubers do falls under that act.

If, however, they were charging people to play the game or selling in-game content then any company would have a case.

What we have here (and with others) is a gamer using is personality to entertain his audience using a product he bought.

Take away Nintendo stuff and his product (the personality) doesnt change.

IF this was infringing on the rights of the company, then we would see far more companies going after youtube.

He isnt alone, tons of others have complained about Nintendo.

He is an entertainer, but Nintendo is treating them like they are making money solely from the use of their product, which WOULD be against the fair use.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAIR_USE_Act

While Nintendo would have a case to take to court, it would get thrown out after hearing the evidence on what youtubers actually do.

Nintendo knows that most youtubers couldnt afford to go to court or dont find it worth the trouble so they either pay or dont show content.

Its corporate bullying.

Im all for perserving a company's intellecual property and rights, but Ninty is shooting themselves in the foot here. They dont get digital content or understand it so they crackdown.

They would sell more consoles and software if they allowed it.

Even Joe's 1-2 switch bashing has let to many other youtubers buying it and playing it on their channels.

While I dont disagree with your opinion on Nitendo's YT policies, this is a part of life. Copyright infringement is not a new phenomenon. Tough shit that's the law.

Nintendos treatment of Jim Sterling is an exaggerated version of what they are doing to Angry Joe. Nintendo has a family friendly reputation to uphold and don't want their content associated with these personalities. Nintendo is basically calling them, (and viewers like you) out on their bluff. If they have something to say and it's not about the money, take the copyright claim or remove the copyrighted material. There is no infringement of any rights there. "The freedom to make money off of other peoples work" isn't an amendment the last time i checked. These rules, and many like them have been used for decades in movies, television and music. Just because Youtube is still in the wild west stages of legality, doesn't mean that the things people do or try to get away with is OK. If I tried to do a movie review while showing clips, it would get flagged. If I tried to start my own sports recap channel with clips and footage, it would get flagged. If I made a channel reviewing music while playing the songs in the background, I would get flagged. If I wanted to review episodes of my favorite shows, and showed footage of them, I would get flagged. Sure there are channels that do some of these things, but they either have the permission of the content owners, they are affiliated with them, or they are flying under the radar. But do you really believe that independent, amateur game reviewers have the right to show any and all footage they want? How does that make sense? Because you want the ability to view this content for free? That's the only thing that makes sense to me.

And the "whitelist absolutely exists. Boogie2988 has explained many times, why he is not on Nintendos whitelist and why he doesnt receive consoles or games from Nintendo. Nintendo asked him to not swear in his videos using Nintendo products because they have a reputation to uphold. Boogie can also get pretty offensive all around, (Francis) which is why he, Joe, Jim and many others don't receive Nintendo products or games. Maybe he is using the term incorrectly, but there are absolutely streamers that receive Nintendo products that are not part of the Nintendo creators program. Lamar Wilson is a pretty good personality that shows ABSOLUTELY ZERO game footage or copyrighted material who receives products from Nintendo, for example.

And lets not put Jim Sterling and Angry Joe on the same level. Jim Sterling was a very well regarded journalist who has built quite the reputation. Angry Joe recites message board posts 2-3 weeks after a game comes out. Joe makes some clever intros, sure. But Joe stumbles all over the English language while barely making any coherent points. And when he's yelling, it's something I've read in all caps on Gaf or Reddit already. That's not the type of attention Nintendo wants. And when Joe expresses the absolute need to show Nintendos game footage in his videos, it's pretty obvious that he needs Nintendo and not the other way around.

That's the stretch of the century. I'm not making any money off of this icon. And Joe could show all the Nintendo videos he wanted if he would take the hit on ad revenue. He could even join the Nintendo Creators program. But this is about Joe getting the biggest slice of the pie he can get. And for Joe, it's the big slice, or no pie at all. So your jab obviously doesn't make much sense.

screw angry joe he makes me sick

While I'm agree that Nintendo policies are ancient... Angry Joe is also using it to his advantage playing victim and all that stuff...So yeah, I have seen tons of Let's Play videos on BotW...Yet Joe is the only one complaining and getting revenue while doing it.

In other words, Nintendo needs to change and Joe needs to stop his whining...And I can bet neither will happen any time soon.

Geeez, sheep as bad as cows these dayzz defending their masters...

Cow Approved. lol :P

The youtuber argument summed up in one phrase: "But everyone else is doing it!"

So Nintendo should yield, because everyone else is doing it....that's their argument. The argument of children.

Jesus nintendo fans are such cucks. You guys defend the worst stuff that other companies don't do.

Oh, you're one of those really manly men who uses the word Cuck like they just discovered it lol.

Complete the circle and just call me a beta male. Please.

It doesn't bother me, if content is getting pulled, then he isn't following rules.

I can find game play of any game either through official publisher videos or other reviews.

But without Joe how can anyone sell their games?

I know you are being sarcastic, but I think the various game channels can help you move games. They have lots of subscribers that enjoy their point of view.

JOKER: I wanted to see what you'd do...and you didn't disappoint.

The issue here is you're bending over backwards to defend a company who screws over gamers at any cost.

What would be a better words for analogy? How about zealot or cultist?

I give zero fuks for entitled cry baby youtubers who don't want to live in the real world. I buy all the systems. I play as many games as I can. I know it's trendy to hate nintendo but I'm not jumping on that bandwagon. I don't own or run a youtube channel. I don't seek to make money off the intellectual property of others. And I don't feel bad for those that do. If you do, then so be it.

You know what most companies don't do? Go cry to their audience that other companies are being "meanies" and not letting them profit as much because they wont let them use their shit for free.

You know, like the Angry Joe COMPANY is doing.

And I'm not being a jackass when I say "meanies" in quotes. Joe used that word. A mid-thirties business owner used that unironically. lol

How does Nintendo "screw over" gamers? Are they not allowing people to purchase their games? Are they not allowing ANY reviews or coverage of their games? No, they aren't. They are protecting their content and controlling who can be involved in their messaging. That is ABSOLUTELY their right to do so. And anyone profiting from the use of their games or hardware should fall under any regulations or stipulations that Nintendo puts forth. They aren't infringing on "freedom of press" or any other silly argument that folks try to make. So if anyone is "bending over backwards" for anyone, it's you. You are twisting ethics and logic in a way that allows you to believe a person should be able to use other peoples work for profit without permission. There is no other medium that allows this in the way YouTubers like Joe want.

"Gamers" want gaming to be taken seriously. They want gaming to be considered art. They want esports to be take off among the masses. Then you turn around and want everything to be free with no regulations, while demonizing the developers or publishers that try to protect their products. Well I have some bad news for you. And you can mark my words and call me out if this doesn't come true. But within the next couple of years, publishers will start to pull their games from places like Twitch altogether. Or it is possible that their content can only be viewed by folks with a paid subscription. Gaming is literally the only medium that doesn't do something like this already. And we have seen studio after studio shutting down, downsizing, or just getting out of AAA gaming.

Catering to entitled gamers is bad business. Especially because you are in the minority. There have been 2 COD games in the yearly NPD top 10 for some time now. But judging by places like System Wars, Activision is evil and COD sucks. Madden, FIFA and NBA 2K are always there as well. The people that actually go out and buy games are the ones that shape the industry. People that watch people play games for free online are not.

I'm a big fan of Joe and I think Nintendo is in the wrong here.

But that video made him sound really pretentious.

He is literally claiming that his huge fanbase of millions of players watches his videos and buys Nintendo games. But that is based on nothing. His videos could lead to 0 game sales, it could lead to a million game sales. But just saying that his job directly benefits Nintendo and that they are assholes for doing this to him, ... I don't think he is seeing this from any perspective but his own.

Fair use supersedes copy write genius.. The only reason why Nintendo and companies like them have gotten away with it is due to the fact the law hasn't caught up with technology.. If these things were to go to court Nintendo would lose due to fair use.. Stop bringing up Joe, or any other for that matter, lets talk about the actual LAW.

And now you are echoing incorrect information regarding "Fair Use."

Fair use does not supersede copyright laws. What legal document claims that it does?

- Courts look at how the party claiming fair use is using the copyrighted work, and are more likely to find that nonprofit educational and noncommercial uses are fair.


- "Fair use is a legal doctrine that promotes freedom of expression by permitting the unlicensed use of copyright-protected works in certain circumstances.Section 107 of the Copyright Act provides the statutory framework for determining whether something is a fair use and identifies certain types of uses—such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research—as examples of activities that may qualify as fair use." Source


Where does it say that people have the right to make money from copyrighted work? Where are people getting that this is a right? And "Content Creators" have a problem with companies like Nintendo because they don't want to share the ad revenue. Yet what they are doing is hardly a "nonprofit educational or noncommercial" use of Nintendos material.

Also,

- "Visual works-- especially full color, high res works -- enjoy a high degree of protection under copyright law."

- "Remember that fair use is a "defense" to copyright infringement, not a right. When in doubt seek permission or consult an attorney." Link


I have to include YouTubers like Joe in this discussion because they are where you are getting your information from. They don't understand the law. They have not taken anyone to court because they know they will lose. They attempt to paint companies like Nintendo in a negative light for sympathy points or to appear as if they are "sticking it to the man." They don't have a legal leg to stand on and are playing you for a fool.

I made an anniversary video for my gf. I used John Legend's "All of you" and Beyonce's "XO" Whoever owns John Legend's song claimed ownership of the video. They still let me use it. They still let me keep it on youtube to show my gf. The only thing I couldn't do was make money off the video. I didn't care because that's not why I made it. And as an adult I understand that I don't own John Legend's song. Even if I put my own pictures in the video while the music is playing. I own the pictures. They own the music. Nobody stopped me from making the video but you bet I couldn't just make $$ off it. But you sure as hell bet I didn't "transform" the song just because I used my own pictures.

These are the things adults understand. Children like Angry Joe are misinforming so many young people who think one day they'll be big youtubers fighting "the man." In a way they're protecting what they see to be their own futures on youtube. Keep in mind Nintendo isn't stopping anyone from posting Nintendo stuff. Post it, and yes they will claim it, but that doesn't take the video off youtube.

I also love how all these little kids are suddenly copyright lawyers. I would love a link to their license to practice law. And if Nintendo is SO WRONG why has no one "david and goliath"-ed them? The answer is simple: they could not, would not, cannot win in a court of law.

I applaud your brilliant response.

Where's your license to practice law? I mean, since you know so much.

@Bread_or_Decide: Thanks! I feel like I'm beating my head against a wall on this forum at times.

I understand that folks enjoy the ability to consume media for free. I also understand that folks enjoy the ability to profit from making videos while showing other people's work. Who wouldn't enjoy that? But the real world does not allow these things to happen. Nothing in this world is free. And now advertisers are starting to pressure YouTube to find ways to attach their ads to quality, family friendly content. Boogie2988 just made a video about it. Videos with swear words or mature content are going to be flagged and blocked from underage users or folks that opt out of mature content. This is one of the first steps to assure advertisers that their ads and revenue will not be associated with videos they do not approve of.

Is this anti-consumer? Is this against freedom of speech? Or is this one of the many necessary steps to ensure that ad revenue is going to the appropriate places. This is why Nintendo tries to control their messaging. It is their investment and products after all.

When Rush Limbaugh or Glen Beck lose advertisers, we cheer and applaude those advertisers for taking a stand. There are plenty of people I'm sure, that do not approve of the language used by Joe or some of the controversial comments and language used by JonTron, Boogie2988 or Jim Sterling. Let's see the faux outrage this latest YouTube policy stirs up.