I have say it like 10 times if for the Pro people claimed it was CPU bound with a 4.2TF GPU scorpio would be even more with 6TF and 2.3ghz is simple isn't enough you don't see sites making benchmarks on 6TF GPU with Jaguar CPU for a reason.
But like always no one believed Tormentos until things happen.
1. PC's Athlon 5370 is only quad core stock Jaguar with 2.2 Ghz clock speed and PCI-E 4Xlanes ("Four PCIe 2.0 lanes") for graphics card. Unlike X1X's CPU, 5370 has no lower latency and translation buffer improvements.
2. PC's DirectX12 API CPU overheads are higher than XBO's version.
But lems told me the Potato CPU in the XboneX didn't matter and that the XBoneX is equivalent to a high end PC with a GTX 1070 ????
LOL to this day, I still laughing at lemmings thinking they had some a 4k Killer lol. At this point, it should be equivalent to a 1050 LOL
1050 can't run Fallout 4 high settings at 4K.
1050 can't run ARC Survival at similar level as X1X's version.
1050 can't run Forza M6 4K 60 fps ultra settings at similar level as X1X's version.
Try again LOL.
Devs: PS4 Is Like A 5 Year Old PC, Xbox One X Is A High-End PC Crammed Into Tiny Little Box
Yeah specially the part where they both use Jaguars and Polaris / vega GPU...
That like saying the xbox one was a 5 years old PC on 2013 and the xbox one a high end PC..lol
The xbox one is equivalent to a mid range GPU RX580 will allot or ram like it was the case with the PS4 on 2013 more or less.
The xbox one X and the PS4 Pro both have the same components when it come to GPU and CPU so how could they be 5 years apart.? Thankfully there are people here still with common sense that can read between PR crap.
X1X's GPU has more memory bandwidth when compared to RX-580. Forzatech's wet track alpha effects shows X1X's improved graphics pipeline and higher memory bandwidth.
RX-580/MSI Gaming X RX-480 OC can already play Forza M6's dry tracks at 4K 60 fps.
@tormentos said:
No they are not..
Simple because the xbox one with 1.75ghz drive a 1.3 TF GPU,while scorpio with the same CPU and 33% more CPU speed has drive a 6TF GPU 4+ times stronger than the xbox one.
PS4 with 1.6 Ghz CPUs drives a 1.84 GPU. It took something like Doom 2016 PS4 build's wider multi-threading programming model to beat i3+750 combo.
X1X's CPU is not just a simple overclock Jaguar.
From the original article http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-one-xs-full-potential-wont-be-held-back-by-slightly-weaker-cpu-says-observer-dev
Thankfully, Basaj had a few words to offer on the Xbox One X itself especially with regards to the CPU. The console’s CPU is not an impressive iteration over the original found in Xbox One. Although there have been improvements in clock speed and command processor instructions, the leap isn’t as impressive as in the case of the GPU and memory allocation.
X1X's CPU improvements are enough to drive the following game's settings.
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/57990/ark-dev-xbox-one-horsepower-phenomenal/index.html
Rapczak added: ":The PS4 Pro also has improved frame rate when compared to PS4. Before the XB1X, it was the best console version of ARK, but it's hard to argue with that 6 teraflops [laughs]. Having the same frame rate in our game isn't really possible, there are a couple reasons for that: the XB1X not only has a faster CPU than PS4 Pro, it also has a lot more RAM. I'd say there's a 50% performance difference".
We've actually got volumetric lighting and clouds on Xbox One X, higher draw distance that is equal to PC's Epic settings, higher resolution textures...".
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-project-scorpio-tech-revealed
The new x86 cores in Scorpio are 31 per cent faster than Xbox One's, with extensive customisation to reduce latency in order to keep the processor occupied more fully, while CPU/GPU coherency also gets a performance uplift
Ryzen effectively doubles Jaguar's width with lower latency improvements. X1X's CPU has about half of Ryzen's instruction/data feed improvements.
Your PS4 Pro's CPU didn't reach PC EPIC draw distance settings.
PS4's CPU latency problem
Ryzen has lowered latency between L2 cache cross links.
Ryzen has lowered latency with L2 cache. Bulldozer/Piledriver has similar L2 cache rates as stock Jaguar. Ryzen's L2 cache latency rivals Intel counterpart.
Ryzen has twice the L2 cache width when compared to Jaguar's version. Ryzen's twice L2 cache width feeds Ryzen's twice the math resource. This is missing on X1X's CPU.
It was AMD that associated X1X with Ryzen.
@tormentos said:
I told you the consoles would be CPU bound and like always you did not believe it..lol
I don't have to try shit you need to stop your delusion and moronic argument hypocrite..
Now i ask you again does 1080p vs 720p equate to more than 40% gap Yes or NO.
Bullshit
From the original article http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-one-xs-full-potential-wont-be-held-back-by-slightly-weaker-cpu-says-observer-dev
Would said CPU weakness prevent the console from reaching its full potential?
Basaj responded that, “The Xbox One X is closer in specs to the PC gaming rigs right now, which will always benefit developers releasing their games on multiple platforms. As long as the GPU is solid a lot of calculating can be moved from the CPU to the video card, so it shouldn’t be a huge problems for developers to fully realize the potential of the new console.”
The same devs has countered your "I told you the consoles would be CPU bound" bullshit.
Try again.
Devs: PS4 Is Like A 5 Year Old PC, Xbox One X Is A High-End PC Crammed Into Tiny Little Box
Yeah specially the part where they both use Jaguars and Polaris / vega GPU...
That like saying the xbox one was a 5 years old PC on 2013 and the xbox one a high end PC..lol
The xbox one is equivalent to a mid range GPU RX580 will allot or ram like it was the case with the PS4 on 2013 more or less.
The xbox one X and the PS4 Pro both have the same components when it come to GPU and CPU so how could they be 5 years apart.? Thankfully there are people here still with common sense that can read between PR crap.
X1X's GPU has more memory bandwidth when compared to RX-580. Forzatech's wet track alpha effects shows X1X's improved graphics pipeline and higher memory bandwidth.
RX-580/MSI Gaming X RX-480 OC can already play Forza M6's dry tracks at 4K 60 fps.
@tormentos said:
No they are not..
Simple because the xbox one with 1.75ghz drive a 1.3 TF GPU,while scorpio with the same CPU and 33% more CPU speed has drive a 6TF GPU 4+ times stronger than the xbox one.
PS4 with 1.6 Ghz CPUs drives a 1.84 GPU. It took something like Doom 2016 PS4 build's wider multi-threading programming model to beat i3+750 combo.
X1X's CPU is not just a simple overclock Jaguar.
From the original article http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-one-xs-full-potential-wont-be-held-back-by-slightly-weaker-cpu-says-observer-dev
Thankfully, Basaj had a few words to offer on the Xbox One X itself especially with regards to the CPU. The console’s CPU is not an impressive iteration over the original found in Xbox One. Although there have been improvements in clock speed and command processor instructions, the leap isn’t as impressive as in the case of the GPU and memory allocation.
X1X's CPU improvements are enough to drive the following game's settings.
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/57990/ark-dev-xbox-one-horsepower-phenomenal/index.html
Rapczak added: ":The PS4 Pro also has improved frame rate when compared to PS4. Before the XB1X, it was the best console version of ARK, but it's hard to argue with that 6 teraflops [laughs]. Having the same frame rate in our game isn't really possible, there are a couple reasons for that: the XB1X not only has a faster CPU than PS4 Pro, it also has a lot more RAM. I'd say there's a 50% performance difference".
We've actually got volumetric lighting and clouds on Xbox One X, higher draw distance that is equal to PC's Epic settings, higher resolution textures...".
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-project-scorpio-tech-revealed
The new x86 cores in Scorpio are 31 per cent faster than Xbox One's, with extensive customisation to reduce latency in order to keep the processor occupied more fully, while CPU/GPU coherency also gets a performance uplift
Ryzen effectively doubles Jaguar's width with lower latency improvements. X1X's CPU has about half of Ryzen's instruction/data feed improvements.
Your PS4 Pro's CPU didn't reach PC EPIC draw distance settings.
PS4's CPU latency problem
Ryzen has lowered latency between L2 cache cross links.
Ryzen has lowered latency with L2 cache. Bulldozer/Piledriver has similar L2 cache rates as stock Jaguar. Ryzen's L2 cache latency rivals Intel counterpart.
Ryzen has twice the L2 cache width when compared to Jaguar's version. Ryzen's twice L2 cache width feeds Ryzen's twice the math resource. This is missing on X1X's CPU.
It was AMD that associated X1X with Ryzen.
@tormentos said:
I told you the consoles would be CPU bound and like always you did not believe it..lol
I don't have to try shit you need to stop your delusion and moronic argument hypocrite..
Now i ask you again does 1080p vs 720p equate to more than 40% gap Yes or NO.
Bullshit
From the original article http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-one-xs-full-potential-wont-be-held-back-by-slightly-weaker-cpu-says-observer-dev
Would said CPU weakness prevent the console from reaching its full potential?
Basaj responded that, “The Xbox One X is closer in specs to the PC gaming rigs right now, which will always benefit developers releasing their games on multiple platforms. As long as the GPU is solid a lot of calculating can be moved from the CPU to the video card, so it shouldn’t be a huge problems for developers to fully realize the potential of the new console.”
The same devs has countered your "I told you the consoles would be CPU bound" bullshit.
Try again.
I.........don't know what that means. I bought the Pro day one, I am buying the more capable console, the X1X day one. Why? Because I want to. Suck a bag of dicks to anyone that doesn't like it.
Devs: PS4 Is Like A 5 Year Old PC, Xbox One X Is A High-End PC Crammed Into Tiny Little Box
Yeah specially the part where they both use Jaguars and Polaris / vega GPU...
That like saying the xbox one was a 5 years old PC on 2013 and the xbox one a high end PC..lol
The xbox one is equivalent to a mid range GPU RX580 will allot or ram like it was the case with the PS4 on 2013 more or less.
The xbox one X and the PS4 Pro both have the same components when it come to GPU and CPU so how could they be 5 years apart.? Thankfully there are people here still with common sense that can read between PR crap.
X1X's GPU has more memory bandwidth when compared to RX-580. Forzatech's wet track alpha effects shows X1X's improved graphics pipeline and higher memory bandwidth.
RX-580/MSI Gaming X RX-480 OC can already play Forza M6's dry tracks at 4K 60 fps.
@tormentos said:
No they are not..
Simple because the xbox one with 1.75ghz drive a 1.3 TF GPU,while scorpio with the same CPU and 33% more CPU speed has drive a 6TF GPU 4+ times stronger than the xbox one.
PS4 with 1.6 Ghz CPUs drives a 1.84 GPU. It took something like Doom 2016 PS4 build's wider multi-threading programming model to beat i3+750 combo.
X1X's CPU is not just a simple overclock Jaguar.
From the original article http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-one-xs-full-potential-wont-be-held-back-by-slightly-weaker-cpu-says-observer-dev
Thankfully, Basaj had a few words to offer on the Xbox One X itself especially with regards to the CPU. The console’s CPU is not an impressive iteration over the original found in Xbox One. Although there have been improvements in clock speed and command processor instructions, the leap isn’t as impressive as in the case of the GPU and memory allocation.
X1X's CPU improvements are enough to drive the following game's settings.
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/57990/ark-dev-xbox-one-horsepower-phenomenal/index.html
Rapczak added: ":The PS4 Pro also has improved frame rate when compared to PS4. Before the XB1X, it was the best console version of ARK, but it's hard to argue with that 6 teraflops [laughs]. Having the same frame rate in our game isn't really possible, there are a couple reasons for that: the XB1X not only has a faster CPU than PS4 Pro, it also has a lot more RAM. I'd say there's a 50% performance difference".
We've actually got volumetric lighting and clouds on Xbox One X, higher draw distance that is equal to PC's Epic settings, higher resolution textures...".
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-project-scorpio-tech-revealed
The new x86 cores in Scorpio are 31 per cent faster than Xbox One's, with extensive customisation to reduce latency in order to keep the processor occupied more fully, while CPU/GPU coherency also gets a performance uplift
Ryzen effectively doubles Jaguar's width with lower latency improvements. X1X's CPU has about half of Ryzen's instruction/data feed improvements.
Your PS4 Pro's CPU didn't reach PC EPIC draw distance settings.
PS4's CPU latency problem
Ryzen has lowered latency between L2 cache cross links.
Ryzen has lowered latency with L2 cache. Bulldozer/Piledriver has similar L2 cache rates as stock Jaguar. Ryzen's L2 cache latency rivals Intel counterpart.
Ryzen has twice the L2 cache width when compared to Jaguar's version. Ryzen's twice L2 cache width feeds Ryzen's twice the math resource. This is missing on X1X's CPU.
It was AMD that associated X1X with Ryzen.
@tormentos said:
I told you the consoles would be CPU bound and like always you did not believe it..lol
I don't have to try shit you need to stop your delusion and moronic argument hypocrite..
Now i ask you again does 1080p vs 720p equate to more than 40% gap Yes or NO.
Bullshit
From the original article http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-one-xs-full-potential-wont-be-held-back-by-slightly-weaker-cpu-says-observer-dev
Would said CPU weakness prevent the console from reaching its full potential?
Basaj responded that, “The Xbox One X is closer in specs to the PC gaming rigs right now, which will always benefit developers releasing their games on multiple platforms. As long as the GPU is solid a lot of calculating can be moved from the CPU to the video card, so it shouldn’t be a huge problems for developers to fully realize the potential of the new console.”
The same devs has countered your "I told you the consoles would be CPU bound" bullshit.
Try again.
I.........don't know what that means. I bought the Pro day one, I am buying the more capable console, the X1X day one. Why? Because I want to. Suck a bag of dicks to anyone that doesn't like it.
A L2 cache with 26 cycles latency means that it takes 26 clock cycles for the CPU to fetch instructions/data from L2 cache, while CPU's out-of-order processing feature attempts to process another non-dependent instructions and hope that CPU's fetch prediction feature correctly guessed it's data in L1 cache.
If instructions/data doesn't exist in L2 cache, it's >190 clock cycle fetch access from main memory.
If CPU didn't get it's instructions/data in the timely manner, the CPU stalls.
From http://www.dualshockers.com/naughty-dog-explains-ps4s-cpu-memory-and-more-in-detail-and-how-they-can-make-them-run-really-fast/ (Sony's first party source with authority on this issue)
PS4's CPU has very expensive main memory access latency when compared Intel's DDR3/DDR4 memory access.
Naughty-dog's CPU optimization guide's push to fit math problems within Jaguar's L2 cache is highly recommended. This like AMD's CPU guidance when I looked at K7 Athlon optimization guides many years ago.
This is fitting any large math problems and solving it as a smaller tile with the size of L2 cache.
Main memory organisation would be very important to enable better burst fetch mode and workaround 200+ cycle latency.
Intel Core i series CPUs has L2 cache latency under 15 clock cycles which is nearly half from stock Jaguar's L2 cache 26 cycle latency.
AMD designed Ryzen to have comparable L2 cache latency to Intel's standard.
MS's talks about lowering X1X Jaguar CPU's latency is a no brainier. This is what Intel would have done. AMD is being lazy with poor craftsmanship when compared to Intel i.e. AMD's goal was to beat ARM and IBM PPE competitors.
AMD associated X1X with Ryzen hence X1X CPU may have carried some improvements from Ryzen and MS talks about lower latency with their CPU modifications.
Improvements with CPU's command processor.... That could be X86-to-RISC decoder and microcode units..
AMD/MS's argument is X1X's CPU is not just an overclocked Jaguar with zero design improvements.
This is not about MS vs Sony since they are just AMD's customers.
In the end of the day, X1X's ARC Survival results has PC's EPIC settings on draw distance with twice frame rate target over PS4 Pro's 30 fps target without PC's EPIC settings on draw distance.
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