Another dev speaks out with negative criticism of the X1X, citing the poor CPU.

@davillain-: Oh yeah, think I remember that. The funny thing is I remember thinking that if people around here knew I wasn't a dude then they would stop talking to me. It's stupid, I guess. I was just afraid of that.

Raw power has impacted unreleased XBO games such as Scalebound creativity with unresolved open world performance issues with early UE4 builds. Very recent UE4 version 4.17 build has the classic forward render option, but it's not AMD's desired forward plus render and classic forward render has additional limitations. UE4's deferred render path is a known problem for pre-Vega GCNs.

With UE4's dominance with 3D game engine market and lessons learnt from Scalebound, MS modified X1X's GPU for UE4 related hardware optimizations. ARC Survival X1X's results shows X1X's graphics pipeline changes which is different from similar TFLOPS class RX-480/RX-580/R9-390X behaviors. Other games (e.g. TitanFall 2) with already close RX-580 and GTX 980 Ti/GTX 1070 results doesn't need X1X's GPU custom changes.

@reduc_ab_: Fair enough.

@reduc_ab_:  this is fake news there is over seven development manufacturers who said that it would take them on average a couple hours to add a to Port their games to 4k on the Xbox One X and the CPU is much more powerful than the current CPU used in the Xbox One. Microsoft went and focus their attention to the GPU and the direct x 12 on board chip . let's face it that is where the power needs to be you can have a I3 cpu in a computer with a powerful video card and you can play games at 60 frames per second in 4k. this CPU will have eight cores running at 2.75 mghz more than enough. in any case all part of this console will be better than the Sony PS4 or the PS4 Pro. as far as development the seven top game development companies said that it was so easy to Port their games that they could do it in 2 hours to 2 days. what's even better is they can make their game for a PC and then easily Port it over. Turn ten took 2 hrs to port thier game over to 4k 60 fps never have done so before.

@bharris291: Dang, dude. 29 posts in 15 years?

This is due to some of cowards claims X1X is just RX-580/RX-480 OC when multiple PC benchmarks shows RX-580/RX-480 OC is memory bandwidth bottlenecked AND Forzatech wet track (with heavy alpha effects) and ARC Survival (UE4) shows different behavior from similar TFLOPS class RX-480/RX-580/R9-390X.

Furthermore,

1. no cow extremist learnt the lessons from R9-380X "Tonga" with 256 bit bus with DCC v1 boost vs R9-280X "Tahiti" with non-DCC 384 bit bus similar results. X1X has at least Polaris DCC v2 with is better than Tonga's DCC v1.

2. Due to small 32 MB ESRAM storage size, XBO's GCN 1.1 GPU already has 2:1 compression ratio render target customization feature which doesn't exist for my Hawaii XT class GPU.

3. GTX 980 Ti is NVIDIA's definition for balance GPU for TFLOPS vs memory bandwidth ratio. Any machine that comes close to GTX 980 Ti's balance configuration is a better 6 TFLOPS GPU over memory bandwidth gimped 6 TFLOPS class GPUs. MS's argument on AMD's 6 TFLOPS GPU being memory bandwidth bottlenecked is nothing new from PCMR's POV. Welcome to June 2015 and GTX 980 Ti says hi.

I only support MS's arguments when it matches NVIDIA's GM200 arguments. NVIDIA's Paxwell has the better track record for "balanced" GPU designs.

I don't know I would give blooper the authority in game reviews. I think this is a much better article on the way game developers feel.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.gamesradar.com/amp/its-a-crazy-powerful-box-devs-react-to-xbox-one-x/

You'll be surprise, there are users who's account has been here since from 2000-2005 (and so on) has barely reach 50 post and hardly ever post, which I find is strange, for someone to having account this very long and remember's name/password.

wtf are you babbling about

For 6 TFLOPS GPU, 4K rendering is more GPU bound than CPU bound. The arguments for X1X's configuration is based from DF's XBO resolution gate and has been repeated by cows in social media.

14 nm Skylake Core is about 3 to 4 times larger than 16 nm Jaguar and Skylake Core is slightly larger than Ryzen core.

Jaguar has 3.1 mm2 area size at 28 nm.

Ryzen has 4.x mm2 area size at 14 nm and would be around 8.x mm2 at 28 nm.

What's the matter? Can't handle proper system war debate?

What debate? who are you having this argument with?

PS4: weak CPU for GPU class which needs heavy multi-threaded CPU programming model e.g. Doom 2016.

X1: GPU not as good as the PS4....and a weak CPU...and with similar memory architecture with X360's EDRAM with a few difference e.g. XBO's ROPS is able to write to DDR3 and ESRAM memory pools while X360's ROPS is only limited to EDRAM. Both machines has manual software tiling requirements.

PPE's practical IPC is 0.2, nowhere near 2.0 IPC design limit. Pentium IV style ~21 stage long pipeline stages, but without out-of-order processing.

Stock Jaguar's "typical app" IPC is about 1.1. not near 2.0 IPC design limit.

https://forum.beyond3d.com/posts/757375/ Xbox 360's PPE has 0.2 practical IPC... LOL.

Anyway, some practical IPC data for stock Jaguar

http://www.techdesignforums.com/practice/technique/amd-calypto-rtl-clock-gating-powerpro/ The article was written by Steve Kommrusch is Fellow Design Engineer at AMD. There's primary authority with the article.

There's room for improvement with Jaguar. MS's arguments for X1X's CPU improvements are to maximize Jaguar's design limit.

Ryzen CPUs has max IPC of +4.0 i.e. 4 X86 decoders + 2 from translation cache. Ryzen's four SSE ports fits fine with four X86 decoders. Jaguar has two SSE ports with two X86 decoders.

Xbox One X’s Full Potential Won’t Be Held Back By Its CPU, Says Observer Dev Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-one-xs-full-potential-wont-be-held-back-by-slightly-weaker-cpu-says-observer-dev#eIAFFBBtKO0wGT04.99

I already posted a number of devs' positive remarks about the X1X and asked anyone to bet me if there has been more negative or positive. Here's another positive one.

I also speculated alternatives to Ryzen in the same topic's page 5 which you have omitted e.g. mobile Excavator at +3.2 Ghz. Your narration about me is a lie by omission.

It was AMD who claimed X1X has association with Ryzen and I went against it with mobile Excavator alternative. AMD can claim some association with Ryzen and MS claims lower latency improvements for X1X's CPU. Parts of Ryzen's improvements applied for X1X's CPU.

As for GTX 1070 equivalents. Both DF and ARC Survival devs has made the claims and I agree with them since my R9-390X and other SW poster with RX-480 OC has inferior results. Too bad for you, Vega's non-NCU improvements was applied for X1X's GPU.

Games like TitanFall 2 already shown RX-580 getting into range with GTX 980 Ti/GTX 1070 already.

It's clear you don't own RX-480 OC or R9-390X. Deal with it.

As for GTX 1080, it still doesn't have Polaris double subword FP16 regardless of missing Vega NCU's double rate INT16/FP16 feature. Furthermore, I stated Scorpio enabled Vega NCU which is conditional i.e. the feature needs to be enabled for Scorpio.

Your repeated arguments and lies about me are not system war arguments.

With GCN, each CU has proper scalar processor which is hardly used on PC's DirectX11/12. Render logic can be moved from CPU to GCN's CU scalar processor.

Shader Model 6 enables 64 bit scalar processor feature for PCs with GPUs that supports it.

X1X's GPU has 40 of these scalar processors with 1172 Mhz clock speed and it has IPC of 1.0 per CU which is very close to stock Jaguar's typical app 1.1 IPC.

Example for GCN CU's scalar processor... metal only access from year 2013.

https://timothylottes.github.io/20130814.html

Changing Materials the GCN Way

DX and GL are years behind in API design compared to what is possible on GCN. For instance there is no need for the CPU to do any binding for a traditional material system with unique shaders/textures/samplers/buffers associated with geometry. Going to the metal on GCN, it would be trivial to pass a 32-bit index from the vertex shader to the pixel shader, then use the 32-bit index and S_BUFFER_LOAD_DWORDX16 to get constants, samplers, textures, buffers, and shaders associated with the material. Do a S_SETPC to branch to the proper shader.

This kind of system would use a set of uber-shaders grouped by material shader register usage. So all objects sharing a given uber-shader can get drawn in say one draw call (draw as many views as you have GPU perf for). No need for traditional vertex attributes either, again just one S_SETPC branch in the vertex shader and manually fetch what is needed from buffers or textures...

With Shader Model 6, XBO, X1X and PC can have similar optimizations.

So a console that will cost $100 more than the Pro and comes out a year later with barely any exclusives isn't that much more powerful?

This is definitely concerning that so many devs seem underwhelmed at a console that's marketed for its power

TLHBO.

Another alt cow....nice try but we know you're scared AND you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Go away

"From a developer's standpoint, [Xbox One X] is the most developer-friendly console we have ever worked with," he explained.

Major game developer praises Xbox Scorpio, claims that it'll be years before its full potential is exploited

Assassin's Creed: Origin producer heaps praise on Xbox One X

Devs: PS4 Is Like A 5 Year Old PC, Xbox One X Is A High-End PC Crammed Into Tiny Little Box

The Xbox One X has been getting a lot of positive feedback thrown its way from many in the development community. A developer from 34BigThings, the studio behind the F-Zero/Wipeout-esque Redout, recently added even more Xbox One X praise-filled comments to the ever-growing bucket.

Xbox One X’s Full Potential Won’t Be Held Back By Its CPU, Says Observer Dev Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-one-xs-full-potential-wont-be-held-back-by-slightly-weaker-cpu-says-observer-dev#eIAFFBBtKO0wGT04.99

How many have said negative stuff?

A cow that doesnt own a PS3 or PS4. A cow that debated hard for PS3 fails. A cow that laughed hard about VITA. A cow that over time pointed out all SONY lies and marketing BS again and again. A cow that debated vs cows ... latest i think was vs Tormentos talking about PS4 PRO and mid gen upgrades. A cow that never said is a cow ( rings a bell lem?).

So how the heck im a cow ? Because i like what SONY does since PS1 and that is that they focusing in NEW AAA exclusive IPs more than anyone while offering till the end of each and every console generation massive exclusives over and over ? Having the most diverse library out of them all for 4 straight generations ? And all that while being in a massive multibillion loss for over a decade ?

Well sorry for speaking the truth and makes me look like cow. Besides we all know already im talking the truth since most of you hypos ( lem/sheep) playing with your PS4 way more than your "fav" systems this generation which further proves my point. So are you cow as well ? No, youre a lem that cant live without a PS4 or even PS3/PS2 or whatever because my above statement is right... and you is right . So man, with your logic youre a cow as well !!!?

But but but Phil Spencer promised native 4K. Games will run the same as PS4 Pro making the X1X a waste of $500 with no exclusives. Standard PS4 will still dominate sales and I expect a price drop coming this fall.

I don't support X1X being just "Polaris 10" when X1X's Forzatech wet track and ARC Survival results are superior to a SW poster's RX-480 OC or my old R9-390X.

Arguing about Forza M6's CPU problem doesn't address wet track's alpha effects which is NOT a CPU problem. I have thrown Core i7-4790K with 4.6 Ghz OC at the problem and it doesn't solve Forza M6's wet track's alpha effects problem. It only gets solve with GTX 1080 Ti upgrade and 6.5 TFLOPS reduced 1080 Ti can still run Forzatech wet track at solid 60 fps 4K.

Core i7-4790K with 5 Ghz Ghz OC wouldn't solve the alpha effects wet track problem for GTX 980 Ti and R9-390X.

GTX 1080 Ti is newer designed GPU and so is X1X's GPU.

Hardware changes with exist software profiling is not rocket science. This is why we buy new GPUs.

Deal with it.

Phil Spencer promised native 4K and 3rd party developers can choose what they do with X1X's higher power. X1X has exclusives e.g. Halo 5G and full Forza M6 not PC's APEX cut-down version.

No one cares ron

They care enough to post in system wars.

your posts are what make people not care

So what. I don't care. Any real PCMR knows RX-580/RX-480 OC is memory bandwidth bottlenecked.

This argument is from PowerVR camp against certain GPU vendor with high TFLOPS marketing..

Indeed that system. The system you guys never create a topic about, but keep writing about the OneX, it shows how hyped you all are

Go to the Playstation board here is has way more topics and it's way more active than the Xbox board. Here is a place to battle other systems. It seems lemmings are the ones who never discuss their system, they only come to cry here. Maybe because of the lack of games.

No shit...

Compared to the Xbox board. Leave out the rest of the sentence like the good hypocrite lem you are.

Had nothing to do with it at all... You're missing the point completely.

You blame the other faction of not creating topics and your own faction creates even less topics. That's the definition of a hypocrite.

@pinkanimal: we were obviously talking about SW... Maybe you should go back to school because you seem to have a hard time following

And SW is to criticize and make fun of the other systems, that's why it's called SYSTEM WARS. If you lemmings are too sensitive to take attacks on your console maybe you guys should stick to a safe space like the Xbox forum and circle jerk yourselves there. The lack of threads made by lemmings against the PS4 only signifies that lemmings are out of ammo because this gen the PS4 is so dominant over the X1 while PS4 fans and others too have more than enough ammo against the Xbox and MS. So don't play the game if you can't stop crying about it.

See ron, I think you do care. Between your copy and pasted charts to your weird attempts at insults, I think you care just a little too much

There are less lems than cows so naturally cows are going to create more topics BUT cows create more topics about the X1X than lems. They create more Xbox threads than they do their own console. Shouldn't they be creating pro Sony threads more than they create anti xbox ones? That's his point dude.

No it's not. It's to debate and put down your case for why your console of choice is superior. SWs isn't to blindly bash the other systems. Get your facts straight.

Straight up, the most naïve 4k we've ever seen.

@KungfuKitten: Lol

@kingtito: "There are less lems than cows so naturally cows are going to create more topics"

Proof? or are you talking butthurted crap like usual?

"cows create more topics about the X1X than lems."

Here in SW naturally because there are more reasons to laugh at the X1 than to laugh at the PS4. Everyone knows that the PS4 is kicking ass this gen even lems so it's funnier to make fun of the X1 since lemmings like you cry a lot. In Gamespot in general no, cows create more threads about the PS4 than lems about the X1.

Then why do you spend your time here crying and not debating?

Proof there are more cows than lems? Are you serious or just playing ignorant?

You obviously can't read. X1X is far superior to the Pro in every way. Don't bother bringing up games because that is completely subjective.

Of course it is. I don't dispute that so what exactly is your point? That's the reason cows create more X1X bash threads? That's the reason there are more cows, and has been since gen 6, on SWs than lems? Seriously, do you even have a point?

I respond to cows, moronic ignorant cows like you. Someone has to correct you since all you do is bash the competition more than your praise your own. It's a case of "I hate your system more than I like my own". It's also obvious that someone has to school you and explain why we have SWs since you had no clue.

@kingtito: "Proof there are more cows than lems? Are you serious"

I am. A lemming crying over more cows being here is just that, a lemming crying over more cows being here. You people cry about the whole internet being against you. Lemmings are getting delusional from butthurt this gen, nothing they say can be taken seriously. I can't trust a butthurt-fogged mind that draws conclusions without quantifiable proof.

"X1X is far superior to the Pro in every way. Don't bother bringing up games"

No, the X1 is still quite pathetic in the aspect that matters more in gaming: games. Even the regular PS4 destroys it there. I know lemmings (like you above) are desperately trying to forget that gaming is about games this gen to spin this gen in your favor but again, that's the butthurt talking and frankly you look quite pathetic trying to do that. Some hours ago I saw a video on youtube of a lemming saying that it doesn't matter that Crackdown was pushed back since they still have other stuff to look forward to like the X1X packaging, lmao. Lemmings have become so pathetic that they are hyping packaging now. No other gen lemmings had a problem using games as a measure of comparison except this gen just because it makes them cry.

"do you even have a point?"

My points are: cows create more threads bashing the X1 because this is SW and this gen they have more ammo giving the complete joke the X1 turned out to be, lems don't create so many threads bashing the PS4 because they have no ammo or their ammo is pretty low quality (maybe they can create a thread on how the X1X packaging is so much better than the Pro's lol), cows actually create more threads on Gamespot about the Playstation than lemmings about the Xbox as evidenced by each consoles' boards here.

I only see you crying more and using the same butthurt arguments every whiny lem uses: "bu bu but don't talk about games because it's not fair!!!". Pathetic dude

I think you're just being willfully ignorant. This has been cow spot for over 10 years. It's no secret and the only proof you need to is on the front page. Oh and no one is crying you moron, it's an obvious observation. I couldn't care less if more cows are here and post. It's been that way since I joined. You don't have to be ignorant all the time.

I see you're once again having comprehension issues. Games == subjective always have and always will. Fact - X1X is superior to the Pro in every imaginable way ie: graphics, performance, fidelity ect ect.

Sorry but that would be you cows. I game on all systems, you game on 1 then you conveniently fall back to PC when you console of choice fails. It seems YOU cows are the ones that forget that gaming is about games being limited to just the one console and all.

In other words, you have no point. You have no clue what SWs is about. You're a newbie that's joined SW to spread your ignorance and hate in the gaming community. Someone "all about games" ignores a gaming console that can offer features and games NOT on your console of choice and you want people to believe you're all about games? Hahahaha umm nope.

And you need proof there are more cows here? Willfully I tell you, willfully.

I see you're A) a liar and B) have issues understanding what you read. So you're going to sit there and say EVERYONE is going to like game A because YOU/COWS like it? It's not an opinion? EVERYONE is going to enjoy game B because YOU/COWs enjoy it? None of that is an opinion? A collection of opinions =/= fact no matter how large a group agrees with you. It'll still be an opinion even if shared by millions. Go read the dictionary and learn the difference between fact and opinion.

I know you're sad and butthurt about losing the console graphics king ability. Don't worry cow, you'll always have sales and PC to fall back on.

@kingtito: "This has been cow spot for over 10 years."

Again, you need proof, otherwise this is just your butthurt typing.

"It's no secret and the only proof you need to is on the front page."

Oh so you use the front page as "proof"? Try taking off your butthurt-colored glasses. If you use the frontpage as proof surely I can use the TLOU review to claim this is a LemmingSpot. Again proof son, maybe in kindergarten you can win arguments by being delusional but I prefer more rigor.

"I see you're once again having comprehension issues. Games == subjective always have and always will. Fact - X1X is superior to the Pro in every imaginable way ie: graphics, performance, fidelity ect ect."

Again trying to deviate the topic from games towards something else like a proper butthurt lemming. There's a whole industry that evaluates games, the PS4 has more games in quantity which is perfectly quantifiable and a much higher number of high scoring games by aggregate of multiple sources which is also quantifiable. That you get off by counting pixels and imagine that that makes your pathetic X1 superior in every way imaginable is just another aspect of how delusional you have become because of butthurt.

"I game on all systems"

But you cry a lot for just one.

"You have no clue what SWs is about"

I have. And even if it didn't, it's better to having no clue what gaming is about which lemmings like you in your delusions have forgotten.