Anti-Aliasing technique: PS3 superior over PC

I know, I know. But it can't be! But yet it is. Its called MLAA. It can only be done on the PS3 right now because of teh cell. The power of teh cell...has finally came back to bite all the you know who's and the other you know who's in the you know what. I think this is funny, because this AA blows up the 360. Oh wait sorry...it does that on its own. Heres the link........wait for it....... http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-saboteur-aa-blog-entry

facepalm facepalm facepalm facepalm. they havn't done it yet on the pc. it could be done easily. dude, really man? basically, pandemic developed a new software and released it first on ps3. that's like saying killzone 2 can't be done on pc.12345678ew

First they said AT BEST its better than 16xAA they never said what usually compares to

Second a developer hypes up a software technique they developed? Shocking?

soooooooo......because the developer sat and did every thing possible to get AA to even work on the ps3 they didn't have time to add it to the 360 and pc version this means the ps3 is superior? *wow*

soooooooo......because the developer sat and did every thing possible to get AA to even work on the ps3 they didn't have time to add it to the 360 and pc version this means the ps3 is superior? *wow*

WilliamRLBaker

facepalm facepalm facepalm facepalm. they havn't done it yet on the pc. it could be done easily. dude, really man? basically, pandemic developed a new software and released it first on ps3. that's like saying killzone 2 can't be done on pc.12345678ew

soooooooo......because the developer sat and did every thing possible to get AA to even work on the ps3 they didn't have time to add it to the 360 and pc version this means the ps3 is superior? *wow*

WilliamRLBaker

No, they said it was different with some good and bad points but said it could work well with other types of AA.

No, they said it was different with some good and bad points but said it could work well with other types of AA.

Nero_Paladin

[QUOTE="Nero_Paladin"]

No, they said it was different with some good and bad points but said it could work well with other types of AA.

gamewhat

I know, I know. But it can't be! But yet it is. Its called MLAA. It can only be done on the PS3 right now because of teh cell. The power of teh cell...has finally came back to bite all the you know who's and the other you know who's in the you know what. I think this is funny, because this AA blows up the 360. Oh wait sorry...it does that on its own. Heres the link........wait for it....... http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-saboteur-aa-blog-entry

gamewhat

[QUOTE="12345678ew"]facepalm facepalm facepalm facepalm. they havn't done it yet on the pc. it could be done easily. dude, really man? basically, pandemic developed a new software and released it first on ps3. that's like saying killzone 2 can't be done on pc.Revolution316

Do you wanna make a bet on that? :roll:

I know, I know. But it can't be! But yet it is. Its called MLAA. It can only be done on the PS3 right now because of teh cell. The power of teh cell...has finally came back to bite all the you know who's and the other you know who's in the you know what. I think this is funny, because this AA blows up the 360. Oh wait sorry...it does that on its own. Heres the link........wait for it....... http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-saboteur-aa-blog-entry

gamewhat

More details on http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1366280&postcount=61

PC now has OpenCL and Compute Shaders standards.

[QUOTE="gamewhat"]

I know, I know. But it can't be! But yet it is. Its called MLAA. It can only be done on the PS3 right now because of teh cell. The power of teh cell...has finally came back to bite all the you know who's and the other you know who's in the you know what. I think this is funny, because this AA blows up the 360. Oh wait sorry...it does that on its own. Heres the link........wait for it....... http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-saboteur-aa-blog-entry

Phazevariance

theyre not saying that the ps3 can do it better than a PC can, theyre saying that the ps3's current use use of MLAA for a released game (the saboteur) produces higher results of anti-aliasing than any usage of of AA on PC for a released game

theyre not talking theoreticals, we all know the PC is about theoreticals

Have fun arguing that to someone who owns a PC.

AA and AF are nearly nonexistent in console games

Well if this is true then why is there blatantly noticable aliasing on quite a few ps3 games?

I think this is funny, because this AA blows up the 360. Oh wait sorry...it does that on its own.

gamewhat

Well if this is true then why is there blatantly noticable aliasing on quite a few ps3 games?

Vaasman

Because these guys are the first to use this technique?

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"][QUOTE="gamewhat"]

I know, I know. But it can't be! But yet it is. Its called MLAA. It can only be done on the PS3 right now because of teh cell. The power of teh cell...has finally came back to bite all the you know who's and the other you know who's in the you know what. I think this is funny, because this AA blows up the 360. Oh wait sorry...it does that on its own. Heres the link........wait for it....... http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-saboteur-aa-blog-entry

i_am_interested

theyre not saying that the ps3 can do it better than a PC can, theyre saying that the ps3's current use use of MLAA for a released game (the saboteur) produces higher results of anti-aliasing than any usage of of AA on PC for a released game

theyre not talking theoreticals, we all know the PC is about theoreticals

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

Well if this is true then why is there blatantly noticable aliasing on quite a few ps3 games?

manicfoot

Because these guys are the first to use this technique?

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"]

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"] Hahaha. Oh the shame, I laugh! Anything PS3 can do PC can do better!!! (yes this includes AA methods). ronvalencia

theyre not saying that the ps3 can do it better than a PC can, theyre saying that the ps3's current use use of MLAA for a released game (the saboteur) produces higher results of anti-aliasing than any usage of of AA on PC for a released game

theyre not talking theoreticals, we all know the PC is about theoreticals

exactly, thats one of the benefits of MLAA according to Intel, it can help make games that run at lower resolutions look smoother, especially older games, without having to drastically increase the performance of the GPU

oh this is incredible! really! the pc is so inferior! why do we keep buying computers when we can have the megasuperpowerful ps3? really! you should listen to this guy! Ps3>>>>>>Pc the Cell guys, the Cell. it won't stop ringing now.

my god cows are really pathetic sometimes. :cry:

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[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

Well if this is true then why is there blatantly noticable aliasing on quite a few ps3 games?

Vaasman

Because these guys are the first to use this technique?

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"]

theyre not saying that the ps3 can do it better than a PC can, theyre saying that the ps3's current use use of MLAA for a released game (the saboteur) produces higher results of anti-aliasing than any usage of of AA on PC for a released game

theyre not talking theoreticals, we all know the PC is about theoreticals

i_am_interested

exactly, thats one of the benefits of MLAA according to Intel, it can help make games that run at lower resolutions look smoother, especially older games, without having to drastically increase the performance of the GPU

ATI RV7x0 supports both programmable and fix function hardware AA. Anyway, ATI R600 supports 24X CFAA.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="manicfoot"]

Because these guys are the first to use this technique?

i_am_interested

soooooooo......because the developer sat and did every thing possible to get AA to even work on the ps3 they didn't have time to add it to the 360 and pc version this means the ps3 is superior? *wow*

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] AA is more important for entry level HD rendering. A gaming PC has the option to render at higher resolution. Btw,ATI R600 has programmable AA.

ronvalencia

exactly, thats one of the benefits of MLAA according to Intel, it can help make games that run at lower resolutions look smoother, especially older games, without having to drastically increase the performance of the GPU

ATI RV7x0 supports both programmable and fix function hardware AA. Anyway, ATI R600 supports 24X CFAA.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

soooooooo......because the developer sat and did every thing possible to get AA to even work on the ps3 they didn't have time to add it to the 360 and pc version this means the ps3 is superior? *wow*

Zero_epyon

Great, when your running at 720p on a big screen you need all the AA you can get!

If your running at 1920x1200, AA isint so much an issue, but a 4 or 8x pass is always nice.

Seriously there is nothing superior about it, its not that it can't be done on 360/PC, its just that it hasn't yet.

The Saboteur still looks better on PC anyway.

Great, when your running at 720p on a big screen you need all the AA you can get!

If your running at 1920x1200, AA isint so much an issue, but a 4 or 8x pass is always nice.

Seriously there is nothing superior about it, its not that it can't be done on 360/PC, its just that it hasn't yet.

The Saboteur still looks better on PC anyway.

Snagal123

It's a good thing the PS3 has the Cell to cover up the GPU's shortcomings.MortalDecay

thats funny, you make it sound like the Cell just magically appeared on sony's front door step out of nowhere

maybe its not a coincidence that sony relies on the same processor that decodes 1080p blu-rays effortlessly (at 40mbps) to do graphics rendering for games

[QUOTE="12345678ew"]facepalm facepalm facepalm facepalm. they havn't done it yet on the pc. it could be done easily. dude, really man? basically, pandemic developed a new software and released it first on ps3. that's like saying killzone 2 can't be done on pc.Revolution316

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

soooooooo......because the developer sat and did every thing possible to get AA to even work on the ps3 they didn't have time to add it to the 360 and pc version this means the ps3 is superior? *wow*

12345678ew

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"]

exactly, thats one of the benefits of MLAA according to Intel, it can help make games that run at lower resolutions look smoother, especially older games, without having to drastically increase the performance of the GPU

ATI RV7x0 supports both programmable and fix function hardware AA. Anyway, ATI R600 supports 24X CFAA.

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]Oh sure so no other developer in3 years has thought to use this technique, even though it beats x16AA supposedly? Yea right.

Vaasman

It's Digital Foundry reporting this, so it is not an issue of PR.

haven't any of you cows ever thought that the devs had to use this because tps3 isn't powerful enough to handle regular AA? hell the 360 could do 4xAA no problem, the pc could do 16xAA. most ps3 games don't have AA.

*f--- the flame shield, i've got a fire suit*

what the hell is regular AA? multi-sampling?

are we on some kind of notion that there only exists one kind of AA and more specifically one true kind of AA?

god forbid developers for actually trying to find new forms of AA as opposed to relying on the same old stuff

this is the same kind of nonsense in the other saboteur post where haters were using the phrase "real AA" as if it actually meant something specific

It's ridiculous how wrong this thread was.

A) Totally possible on the PC

B) Totally not better than AA we see in PC games presently.

http://visual-computing.intel-research.net/publications/mlaa.pdf

Thread is epic fail, fail thread

what the hell is regular AA? multi-sampling?

are we on some kind of notion that there only exists one kind of AA and more specifically one true kind of AA?

god forbid developers for actually trying to find new forms of AA as opposed to relying on the same old stuff

this is the same kind of nonsense in the other saboteur post where haters were using the phrase "real AA" as if it actually meant something specific

i_am_interested

yes i was referring to MSAA. hell i could also refer to to FSAA or PPAA (per pixel Anti-Aliasing) but the fact remains that the most ps3 games can't use AA because it would tax the GPU too much and cause the developers to tone down the eye candy to get 30fps with 4xAA. MLAA really isn't AA. it's a post-processing filter that locates any discontinuity in color from different objects and then adding colors to the edges to, in effect, blend them. it's supposed to give the illusion of AA but it's not as effective as AA.

here's a excerpt of an article on MLAA:

"1. Find discontinuities between pixels in a given image.
2. Identify predefined patterns.
3. Blend colors in the neighborhood of these patterns."

link to said article: link

this works best in high contrast areas (basically black/white or light/dark pixels that are adjacent to one another. but then again, the saboteur is pretty much black and white so this works well for the ps3 to hide the fact that it doesn't have MSAA, FSAA, or PPAA.

It's ridiculous how wrong this thread was.

A) Totally possible on the PC

B) Totally not better than AA we see in PC games presently.

http://visual-computing.intel-research.net/publications/mlaa.pdf

agentfred

argh. you beat me to posting it. but here's acookie for having the same idea.

I know, I know. But it can't be! But yet it is. Its called MLAA. It can only be done on the PS3 right now because of teh cell. The power of teh cell...has finally came back to bite all the you know who's and the other you know who's in the you know what. I think this is funny, because this AA blows up the 360. Oh wait sorry...it does that on its own. Heres the link........wait for it....... http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-saboteur-aa-blog-entry

gamewhat

Let's put aside the arguing for a moment, I find it incredible what a 180 this Cow has done on the utilization argument.

How long did Cows hide behind an under-utilization argument when boasting about PS3 capability? How long did they push that Cell had hidden performance that was not being utilized? Even when they had no titles as proof and every cross platform game was worse on PS3, they always relied on a "just wait" argument.

Well Sony dipped into their pockets in the end and paid out to bring titles like Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 to PS3, providing evidence to the under-utilization argument.

Now what argument are we seeing here? Console users know for a fact that high end PC hardware is leap and bounds ahead of console capability, at least the honest ones. There is no question that a high end PC would have no issue beating a console.

Yet what do we see here? We see a Cow claiming PS3 > PC because of an antialiasing technique that was applied on PS3 first. Common sense should say that if PS3 can do it a high end PC can do it better, but no, a Cow has actually chosen to ignore the possibility that the PC is more powerful. Why? Because they are seeing it used on PS3 first...

I cannot find the words to describe how incredibly hypocritical this is, years hiding behind a under-utilization argument; but the moment something is done on PS3 before PC a Cow automatically assumes it can only be done on PS3. The OP should be ashamed, this is hypocritical fanboyism at the extreme.