Anyone care to explain why Unified GDDR 5 RAM is somehow magic tech now?

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Isn't the CPU said to be quiet poor? If so who cares how much RAM, and how fast it is? Developers will have to struggle with the CPU to get the most out of the abundance of speedy RAM.

 

Nice that it's there though! Lets hope MS follows.

ShadowriverUB

It's a mobile chip, not the same as what's in a high end PC. It's more akin to what you'd find in a tablet.

But that's on paper, how it actually performs is yet to be decided

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Isn't the CPU said to be quiet poor? If so who cares how much RAM, and how fast it is? Developers will have to struggle with the CPU to get the most out of the abundance of speedy RAM.

 

Nice that it's there though! Lets hope MS follows.

-Snooze-

8 Cores @1.6Ghz is it not? Regardless, isn't it also based of subpar mobile CPU's?

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]Because it's better than what most hermits have in their rigs. MBirdy88

Just wondering, I have never seen anybody building gaming machines have an orgasm over RAM before... and this whole "zomg unfied GDDR5 is soooo much faster than DDR3 RAM". I don't know a single person who has ever really cared when they went from DDR 2 to DDR3 ect.

Its like the most minamal and cheap upgrade to a system you can find.

Damage control? no, I don't care, I'm leaning towards a PS4 infact.

But cows, or System Warriors in general.... what do you actually know of this pretty standard tech to make out that this will make games amazing over the next xbox which will likely have gddr3 8gb?

you realize the version differents are small right....

MBirdy88

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Isn't the CPU said to be quiet poor? If so who cares how much RAM, and how fast it is? Developers will have to struggle with the CPU to get the most out of the abundance of speedy RAM.

 

Nice that it's there though! Lets hope MS follows.

seanmcloughlin

It's a mobile chip, not the same as what's in a high end PC. It's more akin to what you'd find in a tablet.

But that's on paper, how it actually performs is yet to be decided

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]

Just wondering, I have never seen anybody building gaming machines have an orgasm over RAM before... and this whole "zomg unfied GDDR5 is soooo much faster than DDR3 RAM". I don't know a single person who has ever really cared when they went from DDR 2 to DDR3 ect.

Its like the most minamal and cheap upgrade to a system you can find.

Damage control? no, I don't care, I'm leaning towards a PS4 infact.

But cows, or System Warriors in general.... what do you actually know of this pretty standard tech to make out that this will make games amazing over the next xbox which will likely have gddr3 8gb?

you realize the version differents are small right....

tormentos

8GB DDR5 is a great step in the right direction but it's still the same chip doing all the processing. It means nothing if they cheaped out on other parts

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Isn't the CPU said to be quiet poor? If so who cares how much RAM, and how fast it is? Developers will have to struggle with the CPU to get the most out of the abundance of speedy RAM.

 

Nice that it's there though! Lets hope MS follows.

-Snooze-

8 Cores @1.6Ghz is it not? Regardless, isn't it also based of subpar mobile CPU's?

It's not a bad design, actually.

It has all the modern vector extentions like AVX and 256-bit SIMD (WiiU 64-bit) and it's a 8-core that should pack a punch in co-operation with the GPU.

The lower clock speeds are probably just to prevent over-heating since it'll be packed in a compact console case after all.

Development within the low CPU cycles is entirely possible when the GPU is up to the task and when there's more emphasis on multi-threading.

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"] 8-core 3,2 GHz quite poor? :pShadowriverUB

8 Cores @1.6Ghz is it not? Regardless, isn't it also based of subpar mobile CPU's?

Architecture is more important than speed, and the mobile Jaguar (if that's what it is) isn't comparable to modern desktop CPU's of the same speed.

If modern CPU's like the i5 can sometimes struggle to get the most out of large amounts of high speed RAM, then this Jaguar based CPU will struggle even more, not to mention it's GDDR5 which is much faster then the DDR3 standard in most computers.

As for the clock speed, it's been rumoured to be 1.6ghz. 3.2 makes little sense, the amount of heat it'd create in a small case would be immense.

teh new cell brah.TheGuardian03

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"]

Just wondering, I have never seen anybody building gaming machines have an orgasm over RAM before... and this whole "zomg unfied GDDR5 is soooo much faster than DDR3 RAM". I don't know a single person who has ever really cared when they went from DDR 2 to DDR3 ect.

Its like the most minamal and cheap upgrade to a system you can find.

Damage control? no, I don't care, I'm leaning towards a PS4 infact.

But cows, or System Warriors in general.... what do you actually know of this pretty standard tech to make out that this will make games amazing over the next xbox which will likely have gddr3 8gb?

you realize the version differents are small right....

seanmcloughlin

8GB DDR5 is a great step in the right direction but it's still the same chip doing all the processing. It means nothing if they cheaped out on other parts

I thought the PS4 has a GPU and CPU like a PC. But, an important dfference is the unified RAM pool which seems more efficient to me so long as there's plenty to go around.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"] 8-core 3,2 GHz quite poor? :pShadowriverUB

It's a mobile chip, not the same as what's in a high end PC. It's more akin to what you'd find in a tablet.

But that's on paper, how it actually performs is yet to be decided

Because it's designed differently. it's a different architecture as a proper desktop CPU. It could still perform well, I'm just stating that it's not that great on paper

teh new cell brah.TheGuardian03

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] First don't talk about things you don't understand. You are a dumb as hell and claimed the memory on the PS4 was cheap and used as example DDR3 memory.:lol: Worst you actually talk about people buying it,when GDDR5 is more expensive than DRR3 way more,and is not available for PC consumers to use as system ram,if on GPU for now dude.. But Crytek actually talked about how important memory is,and how it allow mores tricks,now go fight them if you dare.jun_aka_pekto

8GB DDR5 is a great step in the right direction but it's still the same chip doing all the processing. It means nothing if they cheaped out on other parts

I thought the PS4 has a GPU and CPU like a PC. But, an important dfference is the unified RAM pool which seems more efficient to me so long as there's plenty to go around.

It does have that, but the RAM isn't all for gaming. You can't assign all 8 gigs for games and because of all the new background features Sony are bringing in you will lose a lot of that due to other things even the OS. Like I said it's a step in the right direction and opens up the system a whole lot more than before. and 8 gigs was the right choice

I would absolutely love to see MS announce the 720/infinity had 8GB unified DDR5 RAM, just to see the reaction around here :lol:

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

8 Cores @1.6Ghz is it not? Regardless, isn't it also based of subpar mobile CPU's?

-Snooze-

Architecture is more important than speed, and the mobile Jaguar (if that's what it is) isn't comparable to modern desktop CPU's of the same speed.

If modern CPU's like the i5 can sometimes struggle to get the most out of large amounts of high speed RAM, then this Jaguar based CPU will struggle even more, not to mention it's GDDR5 which is much faster then the DDR3 standard in most computers.

As for the clock speed, it's been rumoured to be 1.6ghz. 3.2 makes little sense, the amount of heat it'd create in a small case would be immense.

If GDDR5 is standard tech why can't I buy it?

Obviously_Right

Every PC Gamer has it with their GPU, genius!

I would absolutely love to see MS announce the 720/infinity had 8GB unified DDR5 RAM, just to see the reaction around here :lol:

seanmcloughlin

He added: "If they find ways to cheapen the cost to a degree they could triple or quadruple their memory. Just say, 'Hey we're going to have 32 gigs of memory'. That would be quite amazing because memory can do so many more techniques and tricks." Last year Crytek's R&D principal graphics engineer, Tiago Sousa, said he'd really like to see next-gen consoles feature a minimum of 8GB" of RAM. "My finger-pointing at Microsoft/Sony would really be on the memory side. It's way too low, and the biggest crippling factor from a visual perspective," he added. http://www.computerandvideogames.com/383271/crytek-ceo-drops-possible-hint-at-8gb-of-ram-in-next-gen-consoles/ Amen...tormentos

Considering it was one of the biggest complaints of the PS360 gen I'm not surprised. They likely own't even use all that but it's nice to have that much headroom 

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

If GDDR5 is standard tech why can't I buy it?

zeeshanhaider

Every PC Gamer has it with their GPU, genius!

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

8 Cores @1.6Ghz is it not? Regardless, isn't it also based of subpar mobile CPU's?

-Snooze-

Architecture is more important than speed, and the mobile Jaguar (if that's what it is) isn't comparable to modern desktop CPU's of the same speed.

If modern CPU's like the i5 can sometimes struggle to get the most out of large amounts of high speed RAM, then this Jaguar based CPU will struggle even more, not to mention it's GDDR5 which is much faster then the DDR3 standard in most computers.

As for the clock speed, it's been rumoured to be 1.6ghz. 3.2 makes little sense, the amount of heat it'd create in a small case would be immense.

There is less emphasis on CPU-processing in most modern games in general.

A lot of the CPU-releated tasks can be simply done on the GPU, if it's got the power for it.

The APU-like design and less emphasis on CPU-processing and more emphasis on the GPU is the future of hardware design for gaming hardware.

Modern GPUs are already powerful enough to run games by themselves, it's just that we're not quite there to ditch the CPU completely.

But it will heppen, eventually.

The future graphics cards will likely be "self-sufficient", i.e. you won't even need a CPU or system RAM to run games on them. (in my opinion atleast)

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

I would absolutely love to see MS announce the 720/infinity had 8GB unified DDR5 RAM, just to see the reaction around here :lol:

Pete-B

I would just love it cos then the cows have nothing to fall back on. Before it was teh cell and now it's teh 8gigs. 

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

I would absolutely love to see MS announce the 720/infinity had 8GB unified DDR5 RAM, just to see the reaction around here :lol:

Pete-B

I would absolutely love to see MS announce the 720/infinity had 8GB unified DDR5 RAM, just to see the reaction around here :lol:

seanmcloughlin

[QUOTE="Pete-B"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

I would absolutely love to see MS announce the 720/infinity had 8GB unified DDR5 RAM, just to see the reaction around here :lol:

seanmcloughlin

I would just love it cos then the cows have nothing to fall back on. Before it was teh cell and now it's teh 8gigs. 

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"] 1.6Ghz? Link? Also fact that they use laptop CPU only means energy use differences which not change code execution specs, it's 3.2Ghz(or 1.6?) and this is how fast it exacuts instructions (+/- locks for multi-thereding and bus delays). Laptop CPUs usally have more power mangement features then standard CPU, which probably is more helpful for them on that sleep mode thingShadowriverUB

Architecture is more important than speed, and the mobile Jaguar (if that's what it is) isn't comparable to modern desktop CPU's of the same speed.

If modern CPU's like the i5 can sometimes struggle to get the most out of large amounts of high speed RAM, then this Jaguar based CPU will struggle even more, not to mention it's GDDR5 which is much faster then the DDR3 standard in most computers.

As for the clock speed, it's been rumoured to be 1.6ghz. 3.2 makes little sense, the amount of heat it'd create in a small case would be immense.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Pete-B"] I would too. Lems ,hermit and sheep have been downplaying it and saying it's not needed, but if it happens, all the lems will squeal like little pigs. :lol:Pete-B

I would just love it cos then the cows have nothing to fall back on. Before it was teh cell and now it's teh 8gigs. 

:P

Isn't it the same jump from PS2 to PS3? PS2 had 32mb of ram, PS3 had 512, which is 16 times the amount, now PS4 has 16 times the amount of the PS3... ahh well >< hope developers take advantage of it for scale and not textures... not that all games NEED scale but yea..

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"] 1.6Ghz? Link? Also fact that they use laptop CPU only means energy use differences which not change code execution specs, it's 3.2Ghz(or 1.6?) and this is how fast it exacuts instructions (+/- locks for multi-thereding and bus delays). Laptop CPUs usally have more power mangement features then standard CPU, which probably is more helpful for them on that sleep mode thingnameless12345

Architecture is more important than speed, and the mobile Jaguar (if that's what it is) isn't comparable to modern desktop CPU's of the same speed.

If modern CPU's like the i5 can sometimes struggle to get the most out of large amounts of high speed RAM, then this Jaguar based CPU will struggle even more, not to mention it's GDDR5 which is much faster then the DDR3 standard in most computers.

As for the clock speed, it's been rumoured to be 1.6ghz. 3.2 makes little sense, the amount of heat it'd create in a small case would be immense.

There is less emphasis on CPU-processing in most modern games in general.

A lot of the CPU-releated tasks can be simply done on the GPU, if it's got the power for it.

The APU-like design and less emphasis on CPU-processing and more emphasis on the GPU is the future of hardware design for gaming hardware.

Modern GPUs are already powerful enough to run games by themselves, it's just that we're not quite there to ditch the CPU completely.

But it will heppen, eventually.

The future graphics cards will likely be "self-sufficient", i.e. you won't even need a CPU or system RAM to run games on them. (in my opinion atleast)

Isn't it the same jump from PS2 to PS3? PS2 had 32mb of ram, PS3 had 512, which is 16 times the amount, now PS4 has 16 times the amount of the PS3... ahh well >< hope developers take advantage of it for scale and not textures... not that all games NEED scale but yea..

alien1280rhys

It's a bit smaller.

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

8GB DDR5 is a great step in the right direction but it's still the same chip doing all the processing. It means nothing if they cheaped out on other parts

seanmcloughlin

I thought the PS4 has a GPU and CPU like a PC. But, an important dfference is the unified RAM pool which seems more efficient to me so long as there's plenty to go around.

It does have that, but the RAM isn't all for gaming. You can't assign all 8 gigs for games and because of all the new background features Sony are bringing in you will lose a lot of that due to other things even the OS. Like I said it's a step in the right direction and opens up the system a whole lot more than before. and 8 gigs was the right choice

Two thing are in the PS4's favor.

1. I think it'll be a few years before we see total RAM usage hit 8Gb. As it is, I barely go past 4Gb on my PC and 1.5Gb of that is usually for Windows 7.

So, the PS4 has some future-proofing built-in.

2. Sony chose some pretty fast RAM to use. At least, I think it's fast for gaming duties. The PS4 RAM can be allocated to both CPU and GPU as required. As I mentioned in my earlier post, I have 8Gb of system RAM with half sitting dormant most of the time while the 1Gb of my GTX 560 Ti is already being overwhelmed by some games.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

I thought the PS4 has a GPU and CPU like a PC. But, an important dfference is the unified RAM pool which seems more efficient to me so long as there's plenty to go around.

jun_aka_pekto

It does have that, but the RAM isn't all for gaming. You can't assign all 8 gigs for games and because of all the new background features Sony are bringing in you will lose a lot of that due to other things even the OS. Like I said it's a step in the right direction and opens up the system a whole lot more than before. and 8 gigs was the right choice

Two thing are in the PS4's favor.

1. I think it'll be a few years before we see total RAM usage hit 8Gb. As it is, I barely go past 4Gb on my PC and 1.5Gb of that is usually for Windows 7.

So, the PS4 has some future-proofing built-in.

2. Sony chose some pretty fast RAM to use. At least, I think it's fast for gaming duties. The PS4 RAM can be allocated to both CPU and GPU as required. As I mentioned in my earlier post, I have 8Gb of system RAM with half sitting dormant most of the time while the 1Gb of my GTX 560 Ti is already being overwhelmed by some games.

I am not an expert, but I am pretty sure games won´t use more than 4gb of RAM untill GPU and CPU have enough processing power to process those 4gb of data stored. And I doubt a lot next gen consoles will have that processing power. That would imply higher clocks for gpu and cpu, more stream processors, nore memory bandwidth, etc

I think the GDDR5 has been exaggerated as well. It is an advantage but not to the extent that some are claiming. It's not as simple as GDDR5 vs GDDR3 because MS is putting custon hardware in the next Xbox that will increase its bandwidth. It won't be as fast as GDDR5 but it should be close enough. Imo MS's approach makes more sense economically. The RAM isn't much of a concern to me with the next Xbox. If they improve the GPU to something more like what's going to be in PS4 I'll be satisfied with it.

Amusing to see so many fanboys upset over PS4 tech yet claim they don't care.  Lem's (fakeboy hermets) "8gigs of GDDR 5 doen't mean anything, stupid cows it's pointless...but I'l love to see it in the 720!" :lol:

Something to do with magnets.

. . . Wish I knew. See, this is where I suck at knowing stuff about video games. Hehe.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

I thought the PS4 has a GPU and CPU like a PC. But, an important dfference is the unified RAM pool which seems more efficient to me so long as there's plenty to go around.

jun_aka_pekto

It does have that, but the RAM isn't all for gaming. You can't assign all 8 gigs for games and because of all the new background features Sony are bringing in you will lose a lot of that due to other things even the OS. Like I said it's a step in the right direction and opens up the system a whole lot more than before. and 8 gigs was the right choice

Two thing are in the PS4's favor.

1. I think it'll be a few years before we see total RAM usage hit 8Gb. As it is, I barely go past 4Gb on my PC and 1.5Gb of that is usually for Windows 7.

So, the PS4 has some future-proofing built-in.

2. Sony chose some pretty fast RAM to use. At least, I think it's fast for gaming duties. The PS4 RAM can be allocated to both CPU and GPU as required. As I mentioned in my earlier post, I have 8Gb of system RAM with half sitting dormant most of the time while the 1Gb of my GTX 560 Ti is already being overwhelmed by some games.

They made some wise choices alright, future proofing a bit was a good idea but that only shows that they will likely drag out the PS4 gen like they did this one, so I hope it doesn't peak too son. 

And DDR5 is the fastest as far as I'm aware and I don't think it works the same as your PC seen as it's unified

Amusing to see so many fanboys upset over PS4 tech yet claim they don't care.  Lem's (fakeboy hermets) "8gigs of GDDR 5 doen't mean anything, stupid cows it's pointless...but I'l love to see it in the 720!" :lol:

casharmy

I see the 8GB's of GDDR5 are making everybody jelly! Love the jelly.    :cool:

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

It does have that, but the RAM isn't all for gaming. You can't assign all 8 gigs for games and because of all the new background features Sony are bringing in you will lose a lot of that due to other things even the OS. Like I said it's a step in the right direction and opens up the system a whole lot more than before. and 8 gigs was the right choice

jhonMalcovich

Two thing are in the PS4's favor.

1. I think it'll be a few years before we see total RAM usage hit 8Gb. As it is, I barely go past 4Gb on my PC and 1.5Gb of that is usually for Windows 7.

So, the PS4 has some future-proofing built-in.

2. Sony chose some pretty fast RAM to use. At least, I think it's fast for gaming duties. The PS4 RAM can be allocated to both CPU and GPU as required. As I mentioned in my earlier post, I have 8Gb of system RAM with half sitting dormant most of the time while the 1Gb of my GTX 560 Ti is already being overwhelmed by some games.

I am not an expert, but I am pretty sure games won´t use more than 4gb of RAM untill GPU and CPU have enough processing power to process those 4gb of data stored. And I doubt a lot next gen consoles will have that processing power.

Depends on the game. I've already exceeded 4Gb system RAM usage with X-Plane 9 and that's just on a 1-hour flight. I imagine the longer I "fly" the more RAM will be used to keep track of AI and terrain I already flew over in.    

Edit:

Of course, the 4Gb system RAM usage include Windows 7 and memory-resident apps as well.

I would absolutely love to see MS announce the 720/infinity had 8GB unified DDR5 RAM, just to see the reaction around here :lol:

seanmcloughlin

Sure, I guess that would be cool. But if I could pick just one thing to improve it would be the GPU. Yeah, GDDR5 RAM is better but I don't think it's going to be a huge deal. The differences in GPUs, as they stand right now, will be.

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]You really colling 256MB RAM/256MB VRAM to 8GB a cheap upgrade? :p i think thats more shocking number then GDRR5, which is faster so people also point outMBirdy88

I thought XDR was faster than GDDR5?

Although GDDR5 is still good

Those 8gb of GDDR5 is just a storage for data to process, a buffer. It won´t pump up visual quality or FPS. The graphics depend on CPU and GPU. And PS4 CPU sucks and and GPU is only 1.84TFLOPS.

While my 4 year old video card, ATI 5870, is 2.72 TFLOPS. I don´t know what sort of optimizations they will be able to sqeaze out from PS4´s GPU, but the lack of processing power means "don´t expect miracles". This explains a lot why recent Killzone is locked in 30 fps.

I thought XDR was faster than GDDR5?

Although GDDR5 is still good

FireEmblem_Man

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]You really colling 256MB RAM/256MB VRAM to 8GB a cheap upgrade? :p i think thats more shocking number then GDRR5, which is faster so people also point outMartin_G_N

For the thousandth time it's not a simple matter of GDDR3 vs GDDR5. Y'all need to stop forgetting about the custom hardware in the next Xbox that increases the bandwidth of the GDDR3. It takes it up to about 170 GB/s. That's slower but pretty darned close to GDDR5's 176 GB/s. PS4 has an advantage there but you guys are grossly exaggerating it.

[QUOTE="verbalfilth"]It helps improve speed and multitasking, for the most part....that's what its good for. so you might be able to do multiple things in or out of the game than you otherwise would be able to. MBirdy88

You should not talk about things you don't understand.

The xbox 720 was confirm first to have 8GB of memory,way before the PS4.

DDR3 has a bandwidth limit of 68GB/s in its best case scenario,the one use on the PS4 is 176GB/s so in order to speed things up and help the starved DDR3,MS implemented the use of ESRAM which add 104GB/s more,but is not like adding 104+68 = 172GB/s,no matter what the GPU connection to the ESRAM will always be 104GB/s,when the ESRAM can also write to the CPU as well.

Also comparing DDR3 memory you buy in your average PC shop is not the same as GDDR5,in fact sony will spend on GDDR5 per PS4 like from $100 to $120,you know how much DDR3 you can buy with that amount of money.? More ram means that open space games will look better,work better in fact 8GB ensures that the PS4 will not suffer another Skyrim crap for a very very very long time if ever,want to see some comparison on why more memory is better.?

See the performance hit from the 7850 with only 1 GB to the 7850 with 2GB.?

30FPS less than the 2GB version that is hugeeeeeee,in fact the differece between 7850 and the 7970 on BF3 at 2560x1600 on ultra setting is 21 FPS,so basically 1GB of ram less difference between both 7850 model on Skyrim create a bigger gap than the one found on BF3 on ultra on 2560x1600 on the 7850 vs the 7970 which is a way more powerful card than the 7850...

Those 8gb of GDDR5 is just a storage for data to process, a buffer. It won´t pump up visual quality or FPS. The graphics depend on CPU and GPU. And PS4 CPU sucks and and GPU is only 1.84TFLOPS.

While my 4 year old video card, ATI 5870, is 2.72 TFLOPS. I don´t know what sort of optimizations they will be able to sqeaze out from PS4´s GPU, but the lack of processing power means "don´t expect miracles". This explains a lot why recent Killzone is locked in 30 fps.

jhonMalcovich

All last gen Hermits were super dismissive of the PS3's fairly advanced CPU and bluray disk capacity stating that the console didn't have enough ram for it to make a difference. Now with PS4 having more GDDR5 ram than even the most expensive GPU all of a sudden RAM doesn't matter anymore. 

Make up your mind Hermits. Does RAM matter or does it not? 

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Those 8gb of GDDR5 is just a storage for data to process, a buffer. It won´t pump up visual quality or FPS. The graphics depend on CPU and GPU. And PS4 CPU sucks and and GPU is only 1.84TFLOPS.

While my 4 year old video card, ATI 5870, is 2.72 TFLOPS. I don´t know what sort of optimizations they will be able to sqeaze out from PS4´s GPU, but the lack of processing power means "don´t expect miracles". This explains a lot why recent Killzone is locked in 30 fps.

MonsieurX

So ?