Anyone care to explain why Unified GDDR 5 RAM is somehow magic tech now?

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]Better supported ? :roll: 

I know dozens of multiplats that sucked on PS3, for example, Skyrim. Bad optimization is also true for consoles.

And PS3 was getting worst multi-plats this gen. 

wis3boi

Not only VRAM but system RAM too.  When I went from 4gb to 8gb of RAM, Skyrim stopped sh!tting itself every half hour

[QUOTE="McStrongfast"]Because more and faster is better?MBirdy88

So "the powah of the cell" will be supplanted by "the powah of the RAM!" nervmeister

That is the horniest ram I have ever seen.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Better expain me this: how is it possible that a next gen PS4´s AMD GPU is only 1.82 TFLOPS, and my 4-year old ATI 5870 is 2.72 TFLOPS ?

Obviously_Right

Holy sh!t owned :lol:

GCN vs VLIW5 design is why it got owned.  Peak theoretical GFLOPS in VLIW5 and VLIW4 is very high, but lacks flexiblity and is highly driver dependent on making sure the GPU threading is efficient and hitting peak utilization during the wavefronts.  GCN is much less driver dependent and much more efficient at running in full utilization, not to mention GCN has very high potential clocks, hence all the "GHz Editions of 7000 series Radeons".  It's also important to remember that the 7000s have much more tessellation capability, alleviating and accelerating their abilities in DX11 further along than Evergreen.  

[QUOTE="hoplayletsplay"]PS4 is using an APU solution, not a CPU + GPU solution. Which means the APU has to use either an unified DDR3 ram or an unified GDDR5 ram. And most of you would know that AMD's APU is bottle necked by slow memory speed. Hopefully and theoretically speaking, the massive amount of transfer rate provided by GDDR5 means the graphical component of the APU will be better utilized. vaderhater

GDDR5 only becomes magic when $ony say so.

Cow Circle Jerk.

They love anything Sony gives them.

"Thank you, Kaz."

LegatoSkyheart

GDDR5 only becomes magic when $ony say so.

HaRmLeSS_RaGe

"There is no magic or the supernatural, only cutting edge technology!"

- Revolver Ocelot, Metal Gear Solid 2

I find funny that the herms on this site think they know more about hardware architecture than Mark Cerny by pointing out the obvious like: CPU workloads benefit more from tighter timing and that's why GDDR5 is bad.  

:lol:

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

Because overhyping the cell turned out so good for cows and now they want to do the same thing ?

Douevenlift_bro

Not everything in history is a repeat kid. Especially when it's a totally different situation

So people being careful after being duped before is stupid ? So all the people who got burned on Aliens: Colonial marines and don't trust Gearbox anymore are idiots ?

What's a repeat kid ?

How is overhyping hardware a different situation from overhyping hardware ?

I'm surprised I've not seen anyone mention that PC's have DDR3 Ram and GDDR5. My system has 8GB DDR3, which of course can be upgraded for both more and faster DDR3, for all the stuff that the CPU needs to do and 4BG GDDR5 dedicated to my 2 GPU's (4GB is pretty common on high end single cards now as well).

The PS4 may be getting 8GB GDDR5 but it's getting used by the CPU and GPU, at the end of the day there will probably be around 4 to 5 GB of RAM dedicated to the GPU and the rest will be used by the system. It's a good thing that it is getting a large chunk of fast RAM and probably helps add some longevity to the system but it's nothing miraculous. At the moment there is no way of telling what the effects of this RAM will be to the PS4, without really knowing what the CPU/GPU are capable of.

I'm on no way downplaying the importance of RAM, it's as important as any other part of a computer and definitely not something to cheap out on.

GarGx1

[QUOTE="clyde46"]I think PC gaming is fun, ergo you're wrong. LazySloth718

You're entitled to your opinion but console gamers don't show up at PC sites.

PC has nothing to offer them.

But PC gamers show up at console sites and try to act like console bros.

Why?

Multisystem web site is not specific to consoles. The main site has a PC tab. The forums have 2 sub forums dedicated to PC hardware and gaming.

The System Wars sub-forum is a place for all factions to come together and discuss the merits of their prefered gaming system.

If you don't want to see anything you don't like or things you disagree with, stick to the platform specific forums.

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"]I think PC gaming is fun, ergo you're wrong. GarGx1

You're entitled to your opinion but console gamers don't show up at PC sites.

PC has nothing to offer them.

But PC gamers show up at console sites and try to act like console bros.

Why?

Multisystem web site is not specific to consoles. The main site has a PC tab. The forums have 2 sub forums dedicated to PC hardware and gaming.

The System Wars sub-forum is a place for all factions to come together and discuss the merits of their prefered gaming system.

If you don't want to see anything you don't like or things you disagree with, stick to the platform specific forums.

And even better: that PC tab/section has always been there and will always be there. Meanwhile console sections come and go. Soon the PS3 and 360 tabs will be replaced.

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

If GDDR5 is standard tech why can't I buy it?

cain006

Wrong. Only high end graphics cards have GDDR5. For example GeForce 620 has DDR3 RAM.

[QUOTE="cain006"]

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

If GDDR5 is standard tech why can't I buy it?

BlbecekBobecek

Wrong. Only high end graphics cards have GDDR5. For example GeForce 620 has DDR3 RAM.

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

[QUOTE="cain006"]Pretty much every single graphics card made in the last few years has GDDR5 ram in it.

clyde46

Wrong. Only high end graphics cards have GDDR5. For example GeForce 620 has DDR3 RAM.

True. Im a tad butthurt there because my GT 555m uses 2 gigs of DDR3 as well :) Runs Witcher 2 just fine on decent settings and Dota 2 even maxed out on fullHD resolution though - thats how low PC games requirements are today.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

Wrong. Only high end graphics cards have GDDR5. For example GeForce 620 has DDR3 RAM.

BlbecekBobecek

True. Im a tad butthurt there because my GT 555m uses 2 gigs of DDR3 as well :) Runs Witcher 2 just fine on decent settings and Dota 2 even maxed out on fullHD resolution though - thats how low PC games requirements are today.

my school laptop has a 650m with 2gb of ddr3, maxes out crysis 2 and is still very playable

[QUOTE="jrock455"][QUOTE="nextgenjoke"]

Microsoft have lost their mind thinking exclusives arent important.

StrongBlackVine

Show me this chart. Uncharted2, MSG5, Uncharted 3 and LBP1 would seem to disagree with you.

[QUOTE="cain006"]

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

If GDDR5 is standard tech why can't I buy it?

BlbecekBobecek

Wrong. Only high end graphics cards have GDDR5. For example GeForce 620 has DDR3 RAM.

crytek even said more memory=better graphics lol nextgenjoke

POTENTIAL for better graphics, cant really have better graphics with a weak gpu, no matter how much RAM you have and how fast it is.

Releasing a 430GT with 8Gb's of GDDR5 ram vs a GTX690 with 4 GB's of ram does not make the 430gt more powerful....

crytek even said more memory=better graphics lol nextgenjoke

The GPU could use the fast bandwidth.. ram speed effect the GPU especially in higher resolution rendering

GDDR5 8GB with 176.0GB/sbandwidth is nothing special, considering that it get shared between CPU and GPU. not sure why cows are bragging about.

Because its better than all gpus out there.kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Because its better than all gpus out there.MBirdy88

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]Because its better than all gpus out there.kuraimen

it is more like the past because AMD GPU's from 2008 had GDDR5, next year is going to be GDDR6.

GCN vs VLIW5 design is why it got owned.  Peak theoretical GFLOPS in VLIW5 and VLIW4 is very high, but lacks flexiblity and is highly driver dependent on making sure the GPU threading is efficient and hitting peak utilization during the wavefronts.  GCN is much less driver dependent and much more efficient at running in full utilization, not to mention GCN has very high potential clocks, hence all the "GHz Editions of 7000 series Radeons".  It's also important to remember that the 7000s have much more tessellation capability, alleviating and accelerating their abilities in DX11 further along than Evergreen.  PC_Otter

[QUOTE="HaRmLeSS_RaGe"]

GDDR5 only becomes magic when $ony say so.

PC_Otter

"There is no magic or the supernatural, only cutting edge technology!"

- Revolver Ocelot, Metal Gear Solid 2

[QUOTE="PC_Otter"]

[QUOTE="HaRmLeSS_RaGe"]

GDDR5 only becomes magic when $ony say so.

tormentos

"There is no magic or the supernatural, only cutting edge technology!"

- Revolver Ocelot, Metal Gear Solid 2

I hope some day you realize that GDDR5 8GB with 176.0GB/sbandwidth is nothing special.

The 176.0GB/sbandwidth is shared between CPU and GPU, so GPU will use around 150GB/s and CPU 25GB/s, the same goes for the 8GB.

[QUOTE="PC_Otter"]

[QUOTE="HaRmLeSS_RaGe"]

GDDR5 only becomes magic when $ony say so.

tormentos

"There is no magic or the supernatural, only cutting edge technology!"

- Revolver Ocelot, Metal Gear Solid 2

[QUOTE="tormentos"] No one is saying that is magic. But to ignore such a grouse quantity of fast ram is a joke as well,people (Hermits and lemmings mostly) had been complaining for years,that the PS3 was ram starved,that PS3 games port suffer because of the low ram,endless flames.. Now sony say hey we have 8GB of GDDR5 which not even top of the line GPU have,and all of a sudden memory means nothing,and people start to talk about how ram is not important and that only GPU and CPU are,on system every aspect of it is important,if you want to achieve maximum efficiency. Most people you see complain are either hermits or lemmings,the first because not even their $1,000 GPU had that much ram,and lemmings because MS cheapen out on them and chose the far slower DDR3. Hell i have see people here claim that since GDDR5 comes from DDR3 there would not be much difference.delta3074

That is indeed true, but completely irrelevant to the post you quoted...

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="tormentos"] No one is saying that is magic. But to ignore such a grouse quantity of fast ram is a joke as well,people (Hermits and lemmings mostly) had been complaining for years,that the PS3 was ram starved,that PS3 games port suffer because of the low ram,endless flames.. Now sony say hey we have 8GB of GDDR5 which not even top of the line GPU have,and all of a sudden memory means nothing,and people start to talk about how ram is not important and that only GPU and CPU are,on system every aspect of it is important,if you want to achieve maximum efficiency. Most people you see complain are either hermits or lemmings,the first because not even their $1,000 GPU had that much ram,and lemmings because MS cheapen out on them and chose the far slower DDR3. Hell i have see people here claim that since GDDR5 comes from DDR3 there would not be much difference.BlbecekBobecek

That is indeed true, but completely irrelevant to the post you quoted...

All I see is people complaining about people getting excited about GDDR5, not people calling it magic.

Smells like sour grapes to me.

Well, in the Defence of cows:

We were told that the PS4 would only have 2-4 GB of Ram, and we were surprised by twice that.

Ram IS one of the major chokepoints of Consoles the last few gens, and this time atlesat it seems like we will be further from such a situation.

That they belive that those 8 GB of Ram is somewhat magical is pure stupidity though, And Calling owenage when there are little factural none theoretical information is dumb.

[QUOTE="nextgenjoke"]crytek even said more memory=better graphics lol humpmasterflex

POTENTIAL for better graphics, cant really have better graphics with a weak gpu, no matter how much RAM you have and how fast it is.

Releasing a 430GT with 8Gb's of GDDR5 ram vs a GTX690 with 4 GB's of ram does not make the 430gt more powerful....

I don't get the hype for it either, for consoles it's great, but besides that it's being made into something bigger than it really is.

The Cell made a lot more sense because it's unlike any cpu out there. But GDDR5, lol, welcome to 2008.:lol:

I hope some day you realize that GDDR5 8GB with 176.0GB/sbandwidth is nothing special.

The 176.0GB/sbandwidth is shared between CPU and GPU, so GPU will use around 150GB/s and CPU 25GB/s, the same goes for the 8GB.

 

MK-Professor

All I see is people complaining about people getting excited about GDDR5, not people calling it magic.

Smells like sour grapes to me.

Cherokee_Jack

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

All I see is people complaining about people getting excited about GDDR5, not people calling it magic.

Smells like sour grapes to me.

tormentos