Apparently Halo Reach is using some ridiculous tech...Why cant...

If Halo Reach is getting this crazy DX 11 tesselation **Unlocking the xbox360s true potential** crap, why cant I get that stuff on my beloved Mass Effect. Now I know mass effect 2 is a BEATIFUL looking game. on the line with Uncharted 2 (Idk why no one mentions this lol) but I dont think its doing anything CRAZY with like DX 11 or w/e its called.

Of course, that Halo Reach, man, that was looking good, I say this because Bungie has confirmed thats what in game will look like. When this was confirmed for me, pants were crapped. lol

MASS EFFECT 2 GOTY 2010!!!! (imoimoimoimo) LOL

[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

360 cant go above dx9, dont fall for the hype.

the trailor they showed was done on a computer with dx11 gpu from amd/ati

SparkyProtocol

The way that the Xbox 360 does Tessellation is not at all the same as the way DX11 does tessellation. ATi cards have had the ability to do tessellation forever. But the DX11 implementation is vastly different(and significantly better for real-time rendering, IMO).

The Xenos does not have ANY true DX11 or DX10 features(has some features that are similar, but, again, not as well implemented as the full API), end of story.

I bet half of you don't even know what tessellation does.

bungie said it looks exactly like in game, so thats what im hoping for. its not like that kz2 cgi trailer 5 years ago that looked better than actual humans themselves. bungie knows where to draw the line and that reach trailer was no where near cgi quality. 360 could do those graphics with tesselation and the dx9 that it has. its not dx11 but no one is saying that except the ps3 fanboys. and you dont relate multiplayer beta to actual in game graphics, because everyone knows multiplayer always looks worse than single player. so we definitely have to wait for more footage of ingame or that actual game itself.

and on a side note, i never knew me2 uses ue3 engine. it looks incredible.

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"] 360 has modified directx 9 hardware, so it won't be true dx11 tesselation. But still, if it's "faked" well it will still look good. Hopefully tho, it doesnt kill the framerate of the game.Ontain

Yeah, but it isn't DX11 tessellation, which IS done differently from other forms of tessellation(and is arguably done better). Also, this wasn't some super secret that ATi cards have the ability to do tessellation. Infact, a number of Xbox 360 games have used that ability already.

I bet half of you don't even know what tessellation does.

topgunmv

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

I bet half of you don't even know what tessellation does.

samuraiguns

Because I read computer tech magazines that break it down.

I bet half of you don't even know what tessellation does.

topgunmv

Look the 360 can't go above DX9, The trailer was on a PC using one of AMDs 5000 series cards which are the only things can support DX11 right now.

X_Evo

[QUOTE="X_Evo"]

Look the 360 can't go above DX9, The trailer was on a PC using one of AMDs 5000 series cards which are the only things can support DX11 right now.

93soccer

No I don't but the OP mentioned DX11 which the 360 CAN'T do period. You don't need to work for Bungie to know that but you're just a troll so who cares.

[QUOTE="93soccer"][QUOTE="X_Evo"]

Look the 360 can't go above DX9, The trailer was on a PC using one of AMDs 5000 series cards which are the only things can support DX11 right now.

X_Evo

No I don't but the OP mentioned DX11 which the 360 CAN'T do period. You don't need to work for Bungie to know that but you're just a troll so who cares.

I think you misunderstand what people mean when they say the 360 has a directx 11 capability.

"Hardware tessellation isn't a new concept. Animators at Pixar began using tessellation to create their highly detailed characters beginning with A Bug's Life, and they're still using it today. The GPU that AMD designed for Microsoft's Xbox 360 gaming console features a tessellation unit, and AMD integrated something similar in its Radeon GPUs for the PC, beginning with the Radeon HD 2000 series. This led many to predict that Microsoft would expose tessellation in DirectX 10. But that didn't happen" -maxiumum pc

If Halo Reach is getting this crazy DX 11 tesselation **Unlocking the xbox360s true potential** crap, why cant I get that stuff on my beloved Mass Effect. Now I know mass effect 2 is a BEATIFUL looking game. on the line with Uncharted 2 (Idk why no one mentions this lol) but I dont think its doing anything CRAZY with like DX 11 or w/e its called.

Of course, that Halo Reach, man, that was looking good, I say this because Bungie has confirmed thats what in game will look like. When this was confirmed for me, pants were crapped. lol

MASS EFFECT 2 GOTY 2010!!!! (imoimoimoimo) LOL

Hathesulacon

I'm pretty sure that Mass Effect 2 trailer was playing off of a PC build. 360's graphics can look great, but not THAT great. Unless it wasn't rendered real-time.

[QUOTE="Hathesulacon"]

If Halo Reach is getting this crazy DX 11 tesselation **Unlocking the xbox360s true potential** crap, why cant I get that stuff on my beloved Mass Effect. Now I know mass effect 2 is a BEATIFUL looking game. on the line with Uncharted 2 (Idk why no one mentions this lol) but I dont think its doing anything CRAZY with like DX 11 or w/e its called.

Of course, that Halo Reach, man, that was looking good, I say this because Bungie has confirmed thats what in game will look like. When this was confirmed for me, pants were crapped. lol

MASS EFFECT 2 GOTY 2010!!!! (imoimoimoimo) LOL

bubbleboyii

I'm pretty sure that Mass Effect 2 trailer was playing off of a PC build. 360's graphics can look great, but not THAT great. Unless it wasn't rendered real-time.

Well, you can notice 360´s controller buttons in any of the other vids and this one doesnt look better. I think we have yet to see the PC version.

[QUOTE="Hathesulacon"]

If Halo Reach is getting this crazy DX 11 tesselation **Unlocking the xbox360s true potential** crap, why cant I get that stuff on my beloved Mass Effect. Now I know mass effect 2 is a BEATIFUL looking game. on the line with Uncharted 2 (Idk why no one mentions this lol) but I dont think its doing anything CRAZY with like DX 11 or w/e its called.

Of course, that Halo Reach, man, that was looking good, I say this because Bungie has confirmed thats what in game will look like. When this was confirmed for me, pants were crapped. lol

MASS EFFECT 2 GOTY 2010!!!! (imoimoimoimo) LOL

MetalGearSolidZ

try reading more than the first post to figure out that this guy got his source from another guy who misconstrued the tech behind Reach.

I'd agree Blu-Ray being better than DVD-9 (Between Xbox/PS only) but the drive in PS3 is a pile of crap compared to what the DVD drive in the 360 is.

PS3 would have so much more to boast if it could acutually read a disk at a decent speed, where as it only reads half as fast as the 12x in the 360.

Which leads to mandatory installs, which in-turn makes for a great counter argument for the 360 needing more than 1 disc for a game. Works out for us lemms I suppose.

k, Back OT again.

Why is everyone so caught up in the graphics of a Halo game? Halo games look nasty 50% of thhe time. I thought people liked Halo because of how it played?

First of all, can't wait. Hope it will provide more of a timesink than ODST. Second, not falling for any graphics hype until I see a Heads Up Display and a first person view with a gun.

Why is everyone so caught up in the graphics of a Halo game? Halo games look nasty 50% of thhe time. I thought people liked Halo because of how it played?

ActicEdge

[QUOTE="X_Evo"]

[QUOTE="93soccer"] Of course you would know. You work for Bungie right? :roll:topgunmv

No I don't but the OP mentioned DX11 which the 360 CAN'T do period. You don't need to work for Bungie to know that but you're just a troll so who cares.

I think you misunderstand what people mean when they say the 360 has a directx 11 capability.

"Hardware tessellation isn't a new concept. Animators at Pixar began using tessellation to create their highly detailed characters beginning with A Bug's Life, and they're still using it today. The GPU that AMD designed for Microsoft's Xbox 360 gaming console features a tessellation unit, and AMD integrated something similar in its Radeon GPUs for the PC, beginning with the Radeon HD 2000 series. This led many to predict that Microsoft would expose tessellation in DirectX 10. But that didn't happen" -maxiumum pc

No I misunderstood nothing check my other post, I'm fully aware of what tesselation is and that the 360 has it as do all amd cards since 2001.

ME is based on the Unreal Engine 3, so they can't do as many things as Bungie can, since Bungie developed their own engine and that's why Reach looks amazing. themyth01

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Unreal Engine is showing its age, but ME2 still looks pretty good

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Why is everyone so caught up in the graphics of a Halo game? Halo games look nasty 50% of thhe time. I thought people liked Halo because of how it played?

Cicatraz_ESP

Halo 1 and 2 were not all that impressive graphically. Especially 2 which looked meh. 3 can look down right nasty some times. ODST looks pretty bland as well. So you have 1 Halo game. Why were you expecting Reach to be a graphical beast again?

[QUOTE="themyth01"] ME is based on the Unreal Engine 3, so they can't do as many things as Bungie can, since Bungie developed their own engine and that's why Reach looks amazing. BodyElite

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Unreal Engine is showing its age, but ME2 still looks pretty good

[QUOTE="BodyElite"]

ME is based on the Unreal Engine 3, so they can't do as many things as Bungie can, since Bungie developed their own engine and that's why Reach looks amazing. themyth01

/thread

Unreal Engine is showing its age, but ME2 still looks pretty good

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="BodyElite"]

/thread

Unreal Engine is showing its age, but ME2 still looks pretty good

SparkyProtocol

Why is everyone so caught up in the graphics of a Halo game? Halo games look nasty 50% of thhe time. I thought people liked Halo because of how it played?

ActicEdge

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="X_Evo"]

No I don't but the OP mentioned DX11 which the 360 CAN'T do period. You don't need to work for Bungie to know that but you're just a troll so who cares.

X_Evo

I think you misunderstand what people mean when they say the 360 has a directx 11 capability.

"Hardware tessellation isn't a new concept. Animators at Pixar began using tessellation to create their highly detailed characters beginning with A Bug's Life, and they're still using it today. The GPU that AMD designed for Microsoft's Xbox 360 gaming console features a tessellation unit, and AMD integrated something similar in its Radeon GPUs for the PC, beginning with the Radeon HD 2000 series. This led many to predict that Microsoft would expose tessellation in DirectX 10. But that didn't happen" -maxiumum pc

No I misunderstood nothing check my other post, I'm fully aware of what tesselation is and that the 360 has it as do all amd cards since 2001.

AMD didn't even own ati until 2006. The 2000 series of cards didn't come out until 2007.

[QUOTE="X_Evo"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

I think you misunderstand what people mean when they say the 360 has a directx 11 capability.

"Hardware tessellation isn't a new concept. Animators at Pixar began using tessellation to create their highly detailed characters beginning with A Bug's Life, and they're still using it today. The GPU that AMD designed for Microsoft's Xbox 360 gaming console features a tessellation unit, and AMD integrated something similar in its Radeon GPUs for the PC, beginning with the Radeon HD 2000 series. This led many to predict that Microsoft would expose tessellation in DirectX 10. But that didn't happen" -maxiumum pc

topgunmv

No I misunderstood nothing check my other post, I'm fully aware of what tesselation is and that the 360 has it as do all amd cards since 2001.

AMD didn't even own ati until 2006. The 2000 series of cards didn't come out until 2007.

Oh you know I very well meant ATI but lets disregard that, And look up Truform which ATI had in 2001 with DX8.

This is a load of crap. The 360 can't do above DX9. This is like saying that my parent's PC, which was made in 2005, and has a really cheap video card, can magically do DX11. It doesn't happen.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3153097

Jacobistheman

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="X_Evo"]

No I misunderstood nothing check my other post, I'm fully aware of what tesselation is and that the 360 has it as do all amd cards since 2001.

X_Evo

AMD didn't even own ati until 2006. The 2000 series of cards didn't come out until 2007.

Oh you know I very well meant ATI but lets disregard that, And look up Truform which ATI had in 2001 with DX8.

Hm, interesting.