Apperently Sony fanboys think Europe is full of backwards idiots.

[QUOTE="nextgengaming18"]

I don't understand this? They stated that they shipped 1 million to North America. They sold 50 k in Canada, 700k in United States which doesn't include Walmart or best buy? Do you actually think that in those 2 huge chain stores they haven't sold one console? Also it is 750k they they sold not 700k. Just telling you :). There is 1092 Walmart stores in America (100 in canada). Lets assume that there has probably shipped a total of 100 ps3's shipped there during this 2 month period. 1192*100=119,200 consoles. Best buy has 742 stores in america and 121 in canada. Lets assume again that they had 100 shipped

863*100=86,300

DXGreat1_HGL

  WAIT A SECOND.

  Last week, when they announced the NA NPD numbers and MS supposedly came up short. No one accepted that Wal-Mart and Toys R Us  weren't factored in.

  Now, when it works against Sony, we are supposed to factor it in? Sorry, your argument fails. Live with it...

I am not done with the estimate. Most people don't understand that npd numbers only take account for how many are sold excludign best buy and walmart.  PS fans use this to exclude microsoft prediction while xbox 360 fans use these as a unprecedent manner. By stating that they all of them are still sitting in the store. Like you, stating that there is 250 k sitting in these stores.

NOw for my estimates

750,000 +119,200 + 86,300=975000

975,000/1,000,000=.975%

now

(119,200+86,300)*.975 =200363 consoles sold there

NOw 750,000+200363=950,363. This is a rather estimated assumption, but you get the picture :).

[QUOTE="nextgengaming18"]

I don't understand this? They stated that they shipped 1 million to North America. They sold 50 k in Canada, 700k in United States which doesn't include Walmart or best buy? Do you actually think that in those 2 huge chain stores they haven't sold one console? Also it is 750k they they sold not 700k. Just telling you :). There is 1092 Walmart stores in America (100 in canada). Lets assume that there has probably shipped a total of 100 ps3's shipped there during this 2 month period. 1192*100=119,200 consoles. Best buy has 742 stores in america and 121 in canada. Lets assume again that they had 100 shipped

863*100=86,300

DXGreat1_HGL

  WAIT A SECOND.

  Last week, when they announced the NA NPD numbers and MS supposedly came up short. No one accepted that Wal-Mart and Toys R Us  weren't factored in.

  Now, when it works against Sony, we are supposed to factor it in? Sorry, your argument fails. Live with it...

[QUOTE="nextgengaming18"]

I don't understand this? They stated that they shipped 1 million to North America. They sold 50 k in Canada, 700k in United States which doesn't include Walmart or best buy? Do you actually think that in those 2 huge chain stores they haven't sold one console? Also it is 750k they they sold not 700k. Just telling you :). There is 1092 Walmart stores in America (100 in canada). Lets assume that there has probably shipped a total of 100 ps3's shipped there during this 2 month period. 1192*100=119,200 consoles. Best buy has 742 stores in america and 121 in canada. Lets assume again that they had 100 shipped

863*100=86,300

DXGreat1_HGL

  WAIT A SECOND.

  Last week, when they announced the NA NPD numbers and MS supposedly came up short. No one accepted that Wal-Mart and Toys R Us  weren't factored in.

  Now, when it works against Sony, we are supposed to factor it in? Sorry, your argument fails. Live with it...

Whoops.  Beat me to it.

But I'll add to the hypocrisy being presented.

nextgengaming18 just provided solid proof that the 360 is closer to the 10.4 million that last week he said wasn't true. ;) 

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="nextgengaming18"]

I don't understand this? They stated that they shipped 1 million to North America. They sold 50 k in Canada, 700k in United States which doesn't include Walmart or best buy? Do you actually think that in those 2 huge chain stores they haven't sold one console? Also it is 750k they they sold not 700k. Just telling you :). There is 1092 Walmart stores in America (100 in canada). Lets assume that there has probably shipped a total of 100 ps3's shipped there during this 2 month period. 1192*100=119,200 consoles. Best buy has 742 stores in america and 121 in canada. Lets assume again that they had 100 shipped

863*100=86,300

Yellow_Rose

  WAIT A SECOND.

  Last week, when they announced the NA NPD numbers and MS supposedly came up short. No one accepted that Wal-Mart and Toys R Us  weren't factored in.

  Now, when it works against Sony, we are supposed to factor it in? Sorry, your argument fails. Live with it...

Whoops.  Beat me to it.

But I'll add to the hypocrisy being presented.

nextgengaming18 just provided solid proof that the 360 is closer to the 10.4 million that last week he said wasn't true. ;) 

I do calculations. I don't believe this bs that vgcharts.org or nexgenwars, or npd gives. The numbers on vgcharts.org is closest to my calculation making in my opinion the most accurate. I don't have to make a blind fanboy opinion that can be only based on npd numbers, microsoft numbers, or vgcharts number. Nothing else.

They think Europe is already a done deal, because they were Sonyland last gen.

News flash: That was last gen. You know, when your console wasn't $600 and had games?

EDIT: 3333rd post.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

I hate to say it, but it might actually happen. With enough soccer/football related games, Europe coule be easily dominated by Sony.

But who knows, that could just be the casuals. If we're lucky, they'll see enough reports about how the PS3 isn't doing so well and think about getting something other then a Sony related product.

[QUOTE="aalsheh"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="mave198"]

How can they sell 5 million if they were only able to produce less than 500,000 ?? :roll:

Yellow_Rose

Good lord where have you been.

Sony "shipped" 1 million PS3's to NA, but only sold 700k

They just announced today they "shipped" 1 million PS3s to Japan, but they sold less than 600k so far.

I got my facts straight, kid.

"Sony said last week it had shipped 1 million consoles in the U.S. in 2006, but it sold only about 470,000 in Japan according to data released by computer game publisher Enterbrain Inc. This put it well below its global goal of 2 million for the year.LINK

And as I showed, neither Lair or HS will make the EU launch since they got pushed back.

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="aalsheh"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="mave198"]

How can they sell 5 million if they were only able to produce less than 500,000 ?? :roll:

aalsheh

Good lord where have you been.

Sony "shipped" 1 million PS3's to NA, but only sold 700k

They just announced today they "shipped" 1 million PS3s to Japan, but they sold less than 600k so far.

I got my facts straight, kid.

"Sony said last week it had shipped 1 million consoles in the U.S. in 2006, but it sold only about 470,000 in Japan according to data released by computer game publisher Enterbrain Inc. This put it well below its global goal of 2 million for the year.LINK

And as I showed, neither Lair or HS will make the EU launch since they got pushed back.

......And any words out of Sony mouth is a pot of gold right?.....Ohh wait......RIIIIIDDDGGGGEEEE RRRRRAAAACCCCCEEEEERRRRR, 4-D, Next gen don't start until we say it does, we can sell 5million PS3 without games, Giant Crabs, 2 million units at launch, 4 million by years end and 6 million units by March.........Do you really think you can trust Sony?

[QUOTE="tegovoltio"]More games available by the time it launches on Europe.Grive

Yeah that is a sure fire killer for the European HypeStation release. While the 360 has the best socker on the block. none of your mates will want to visit you if you have a HypeStation, becuse hot air only goes so far.

Plus sony has treated europe like 2nd rate consumers not releasing a world wide launch. If sony would have done a world wide launch then at least they would not have the PR disaster right now with consoles sitting on the shelves collecting dust. But now they have 200K-500K in the "channel" consoles on shelves in US & Japanese markets where they could at least be selling them to cows in europe. This has to be the worst console debachery release of all time's who would have thought sony turns out to be thier own worst enemy???

...so let me get this straight boys.

In North America (the biggest gaming market) Sony "shipped" 1 million PS3's in 6 weeks with 300k of those units still on the store shelves as we speak because the games and the system itself did not live up to the hype. LINK

In Japan (Sony's home turf), the almighty PS3 sold 550k units, even though Sony has claimed today they "shipped" 1 million units again because the games and the system itself hasn't lined up to the hype. LINK

Knowing this and the fact that almost every gaming and mainstream press outlet has pretty much crowned PS3 one of the biggest duds of 2006, you guys still insist the europe will still flock to it?

That means you must think Europeans don't watch television, do go on the internet, don't read press reports don't see comparative video, and all around enjoy Sony themselves treating them as second-class consumers.

As you can see with all the PS3's collecting their 3rd layer of dust right now on retail shelves, there was absolutely no reason why Sony couldn't do a launch in at least the UK.

So please, tell me why the PS3 won't suffer the same outcome that it did in both NA and Japan?

Yellow_Rose

[QUOTE="aalsheh"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="aalsheh"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="mave198"]

How can they sell 5 million if they were only able to produce less than 500,000 ?? :roll:

StryderK

Good lord where have you been.

Sony "shipped" 1 million PS3's to NA, but only sold 700k

They just announced today they "shipped" 1 million PS3s to Japan, but they sold less than 600k so far.

I got my facts straight, kid.

"Sony said last week it had shipped 1 million consoles in the U.S. in 2006, but it sold only about 470,000 in Japan according to data released by computer game publisher Enterbrain Inc. This put it well below its global goal of 2 million for the year.LINK

And as I showed, neither Lair or HS will make the EU launch since they got pushed back.

......And any words out of Sony mouth is a pot of gold right?.....Ohh wait......RIIIIIDDDGGGGEEEE RRRRRAAAACCCCCEEEEERRRRR, 4-D, Next gen don't start until we say it does, we can sell 5million PS3 without games, Giant Crabs, 2 million units at launch, 4 million by years end and 6 million units by March.........Do you really think you can trust Sony?

They think Europe is already a done deal, because they were Sonyland last gen.

News flash: That was last gen. You know, when your console wasn't $600 and had games?

EDIT: 3333rd post.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

i dont get my facts from a website,, go watch the CES sony announcement,, he said "1 mil PS3s in NA"  not in the US,, and the NPD number only said in the US
aalsheh

Alright, so let add Canadian hardware sales shall we?

http://www.brandonsun.com/story.php?story_id=39516

PS3 = 45k

687,000 + 43,000 = 730,000 sold in NA

Okay, so there's only 270k PS3's on store shelves collecting dust. ;)

...so let me get this straight boys.

In North America (the biggest gaming market) Sony "shipped" 1 million PS3's in 6 weeks with 300k of those units still on the store shelves as we speak because the games and the system itself did not live up to the hype. LINK

In Japan (Sony's home turf), the almighty PS3 sold 550k units, even though Sony has claimed today they "shipped" 1 million units again because the games and the system itself hasn't lined up to the hype. LINK

Knowing this and the fact that almost every gaming and mainstream press outlet has pretty much crowned PS3 one of the biggest duds of 2006, you guys still insist the europe will still flock to it?

That means you must think Europeans don't watch television, do go on the internet, don't read press reports don't see comparative video, and all around enjoy Sony themselves treating them as second-class consumers.

As you can see with all the PS3's collecting their 3rd layer of dust right now on retail shelves, there was absolutely no reason why Sony couldn't do a launch in at least the UK.

So please, tell me why the PS3 won't suffer the same outcome that it did in both NA and Japan?

Yellow_Rose

Fatality.

[QUOTE="Brown52"]There was a thread on here like 3 days ago about a guy from Greece who said that PS3 was pretty much the only console everyone in his country wanted. He also went on to say most of Europe shared his idea.

And no, I'm not gonna go look for the link.
InsaneBasura

lol

Round here in Germany it´s likely to be Ninty-land. There are quite a few casuals waiting for PS3, though they´re vanishing fast. Most of us bought an X360, as far as I can read these boards.

There was a thread on here like 3 days ago about a guy from Greece who said that PS3 was pretty much the only console everyone in his country wanted.  He also went on to say most of Europe shared his idea.

And no, I'm not gonna go look for the link.
Brown52

I happen to live in Greece, and i can asure you, the 360 console flew like 500 a day in athens stores, it was amazing, i was able to find a 360 console ANYWEHRE, not one place, same thing with Wii, to a bit lesser extend, and people in Greece now have cheap broadband and can be informed properly, skipping Sony hype magazines that probably bought before if were sony fans

Well, the HUGE delay and the games 360 will have out, will take Europe by storm, after all they are more for western audiences, like Mass Effect and Bioshock, PS3 gets the first as good as those game, FF13 in late 2008, so will people prefer a laucnh with ......Motorsotrm and Hevaenly Sword, or Mass Effect, Bioshock, Two Worlds, Elveon, Overlord, Blue Dragon, some AAA looking REAL games ?

people may think europe got the shaft with the late launch, but at least they will have a fairly good launch lineup...

everyone has got to admit, that the PS3's NA/Japan launch was horrible when it boiled down to games.  the only thing PS3 owners got going for them is resistance, a few downloadable demos/cheap games, and bluray movies.  straight. up. horrible.  it's really not a great feeling when you feel like your $600 wasn't well spent.

that's not to say that PS3 is a horrible machine though... because technically, IT IS the most the most superior console out this gen. 

it's pretty amazing, that the PS3 can actually have 1 million users at this point when there are virtually no games to play with.  the europeans will have resistance, motorstorm, lair, virtua fighter 5, and heavenly sword to play with at launch... and assuming that all those games are above average, that would be a pretty awesome launch for them.  i'm sure the european launch will be successful... because if the PS3 can sell 1mil+ systems with their current crappy A S S launch, then imagine how it would do when there are actually good games available for it.

not to mention sales in the US should kick up a lot once those games roll in as well.  Japan, i'm not so sure of yet... since none of those games really cater to their audiences.

the DS had a really crappy launch too, and everyone predicted it's demise when the PSP was looking hot.  what happened then? the games rolled in for the DS and now its unstoppable.  not saying that will happen for PS3, but it is possible considering the success of the PS2.

There was a thread on here like 3 days ago about a guy from Greece who said that PS3 was pretty much the only console everyone in his country wanted. He also went on to say most of Europe shared his idea.

And no, I'm not gonna go look for the link.
Brown52

If these are the same Sony fanboys that think that Americans are nothing but gun-loving rednecks, then yeah.shaggygrosser

More games available by the time it launches on Europe.tegovoltio

people may think europe got the shaft with the late launch, but at least they will have a fairly good launch lineup...

everyone has got to admit, that the PS3's NA/Japan launch was horrible when it boiled down to games. the only thing PS3 owners got going for them is resistance, a few downloadable demos/cheap games, and bluray movies. straight. up. horrible. it's really not a great feeling when you feel like your $600 wasn't well spent.

that's not to say that PS3 is a horrible machine though... because technically, IT IS the most the most superior console out this gen.

it's pretty amazing, that the PS3 can actually have 1 million users at this point when there are virtually no games to play with. the europeans will have resistance, motorstorm, lair, virtua fighter 5, and heavenly sword to play with at launch... and assuming that all those games are above average, that would be a pretty awesome launch for them. i'm sure the european launch will be successful... because if the PS3 can sell 1mil+ systems with their current crappy A S S launch, then imagine how it would do when there are actually good games available for it.

not to mention sales in the US should kick up a lot once those games roll in as well. Japan, i'm not so sure of yet... since none of those games really cater to their audiences.

the DS had a really crappy launch too, and everyone predicted it's demise when the PSP was looking hot. what happened then? the games rolled in for the DS and now its unstoppable. not saying that will happen for PS3, but it is possible considering the success of the PS2.

leadernator

[QUOTE="Brown52"]There was a thread on here like 3 days ago about a guy from Greece who said that PS3 was pretty much the only console everyone in his country wanted. He also went on to say most of Europe shared his idea.

And no, I'm not gonna go look for the link.
nasos_33333

I happen to live in Greece, and i can asure you, the 360 console flew like 500 a day in athens stores, it was amazing, i was able to find a 360 console ANYWEHRE, not one place, same thing with Wii, to a bit lesser extend, and people in Greece now have cheap broadband and can be informed properly, skipping Sony hype magazines that probably bought before if were sony fans

Well, the HUGE delay and the games 360 will have out, will take Europe by storm, after all they are more for western audiences, like Mass Effect and Bioshock, PS3 gets the first as good as those game, FF13 in late 2008, so will people prefer a laucnh with ......Motorsotrm and Hevaenly Sword, or Mass Effect, Bioshock, Two Worlds, Elveon, Overlord, Blue Dragon, some AAA looking REAL games ?

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

...so let me get this straight boys.

In North America (the biggest gaming market) Sony "shipped" 1 million PS3's in 6 weeks with 300k of those units still on the store shelves as we speak because the games and the system itself did not live up to the hype. LINK

In Japan (Sony's home turf), the almighty PS3 sold 550k units, even though Sony has claimed today they "shipped" 1 million units again because the games and the system itself hasn't lined up to the hype. LINK

Knowing this and the fact that almost every gaming and mainstream press outlet has pretty much crowned PS3 one of the biggest duds of 2006, you guys still insist the europe will still flock to it?

That means you must think Europeans don't watch television, do go on the internet, don't read press reports don't see comparative video, and all around enjoy Sony themselves treating them as second-class consumers.

As you can see with all the PS3's collecting their 3rd layer of dust right now on retail shelves, there was absolutely no reason why Sony couldn't do a launch in at least the UK.

So please, tell me why the PS3 won't suffer the same outcome that it did in both NA and Japan?

Ericvon71

So by your statement alone you have done exstensive research on the PS3 not selling at all?

So you are one of those people that can't think for yourself, you let magazine, newspapers, and gaming sites think for you instead of trying something out for yourself!

The only place I see this kind of anti-Sony stuff is here on GS System Wars.  I think some people are highly over exaggerating things concerning Sony, especially when I see threads making assumptions about another country. 

Just because 360 is doing well(in the US), doesn't mean they won the war.  It's way too early to be making judgements or false predictions.

The only place I see this kind of anti-Sony stuff is here on GS System Wars. I think some people are highly over exaggerating things concerning Sony, especially when I see threads making assumptions about another country.

Just because 360 is doing well(in the US), doesn't mean they won the war. It's way too early to be making judgements or false predictions.

Terami

Europe is the biggest gaming market in the world. Not NA.Hakkzpets

The only place I see this kind of anti-Sony stuff is here on GS System Wars.

Terami

[QUOTE="Terami"]

The only place I see this kind of anti-Sony stuff is here on GS System Wars.

cakeorrdeath

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="Terami"]

The only place I see this kind of anti-Sony stuff is here on GS System Wars.

Terami

[QUOTE="Terami"][QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="Terami"]

The only place I see this kind of anti-Sony stuff is here on GS System Wars.

cakeorrdeath

[QUOTE="nasos_33333"]

[QUOTE="Brown52"]There was a thread on here like 3 days ago about a guy from Greece who said that PS3 was pretty much the only console everyone in his country wanted. He also went on to say most of Europe shared his idea.

And no, I'm not gonna go look for the link.
SumerianDaemon

I happen to live in Greece, and i can asure you, the 360 console flew like 500 a day in athens stores, it was amazing, i was able to find a 360 console ANYWEHRE, not one place, same thing with Wii, to a bit lesser extend, and people in Greece now have cheap broadband and can be informed properly, skipping Sony hype magazines that probably bought before if were sony fans

Well, the HUGE delay and the games 360 will have out, will take Europe by storm, after all they are more for western audiences, like Mass Effect and Bioshock, PS3 gets the first as good as those game, FF13 in late 2008, so will people prefer a laucnh with ......Motorsotrm and Hevaenly Sword, or Mass Effect, Bioshock, Two Worlds, Elveon, Overlord, Blue Dragon, some AAA looking REAL games ?

Ahem.. Im also Greek and i can assure you that most of my friends here are aware of the current "sony situation" and admit 360 is the system to get. The problem is that the console-gaming population here has an average age of 12 and the only games they've ever heard of are FF ,Tekken , Pro Evolution and Grand theft auto (dont get me wrong those are all great games but dont expect to see Okami and MGS3 flying off the shelves) of course Greece represents a very small percentage of the total European sales as the UK and Germany are the so called "important markets" here..

I've seen some negative press but none of it was with the tone I see here, if that makes sense. I agree, and I wouldn't speak for everyone, just the people I know who want one. Some of them have 360's as well and we've played on XBL together, so yeah, similar tastes... Terami

[QUOTE="SumerianDaemon"][QUOTE="nasos_33333"]

[QUOTE="Brown52"]There was a thread on here like 3 days ago about a guy from Greece who said that PS3 was pretty much the only console everyone in his country wanted. He also went on to say most of Europe shared his idea.

And no, I'm not gonna go look for the link.
TONYSIX7

I happen to live in Greece, and i can asure you, the 360 console flew like 500 a day in athens stores, it was amazing, i was able to find a 360 console ANYWEHRE, not one place, same thing with Wii, to a bit lesser extend, and people in Greece now have cheap broadband and can be informed properly, skipping Sony hype magazines that probably bought before if were sony fans

Well, the HUGE delay and the games 360 will have out, will take Europe by storm, after all they are more for western audiences, like Mass Effect and Bioshock, PS3 gets the first as good as those game, FF13 in late 2008, so will people prefer a laucnh with ......Motorsotrm and Hevaenly Sword, or Mass Effect, Bioshock, Two Worlds, Elveon, Overlord, Blue Dragon, some AAA looking REAL games ?

Ahem.. Im also Greek and i can assure you that most of my friends here are aware of the current "sony situation" and admit 360 is the system to get. The problem is that the console-gaming population here has an average age of 12 and the only games they've ever heard of are FF ,Tekken , Pro Evolution and Grand theft auto (dont get me wrong those are all great games but dont expect to see Okami and MGS3 flying off the shelves) of course Greece represents a very small percentage of the total European sales as the UK and Germany are the so called "important markets" here..

[QUOTE="Ericvon71"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

...so let me get this straight boys.

In North America (the biggest gaming market) Sony "shipped" 1 million PS3's in 6 weeks with 300k of those units still on the store shelves as we speak because the games and the system itself did not live up to the hype. LINK

In Japan (Sony's home turf), the almighty PS3 sold 550k units, even though Sony has claimed today they "shipped" 1 million units again because the games and the system itself hasn't lined up to the hype. LINK

Knowing this and the fact that almost every gaming and mainstream press outlet has pretty much crowned PS3 one of the biggest duds of 2006, you guys still insist the europe will still flock to it?

That means you must think Europeans don't watch television, do go on the internet, don't read press reports don't see comparative video, and all around enjoy Sony themselves treating them as second-class consumers.

As you can see with all the PS3's collecting their 3rd layer of dust right now on retail shelves, there was absolutely no reason why Sony couldn't do a launch in at least the UK.

So please, tell me why the PS3 won't suffer the same outcome that it did in both NA and Japan?

TheTrueEdge

So by your statement alone you have done exstensive research on the PS3 not selling at all?

So you are one of those people that can't think for yourself, you let magazine, newspapers, and gaming sites think for you instead of trying something out for yourself!

Everyone hates Sony here (UK). Apart from the chavs but they don't count.hojobojo

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

...so let me get this straight boys.

In North America (the biggest gaming market) Sony "shipped" 1 million PS3's in 6 weeks with 300k of those units still on the store shelves as we speak because the games and the system itself did not live up to the hype. LINK

In Japan (Sony's home turf), the almighty PS3 sold 550k units, even though Sony has claimed today they "shipped" 1 million units again because the games and the system itself hasn't lined up to the hype. LINK

Knowing this and the fact that almost every gaming and mainstream press outlet has pretty much crowned PS3 one of the biggest duds of 2006, you guys still insist the europe will still flock to it?

That means you must think Europeans don't watch television, do go on the internet, don't read press reports don't see comparative video, and all around enjoy Sony themselves treating them as second-class consumers.

As you can see with all the PS3's collecting their 3rd layer of dust right now on retail shelves, there was absolutely no reason why Sony couldn't do a launch in at least the UK.

So please, tell me why the PS3 won't suffer the same outcome that it did in both NA and Japan?

Ericvon71

So by your statement alone you have done exstensive research on the PS3 not selling at all?

So you are one of those people that can't think for yourself, you let magazine, newspapers, and gaming sites think for you instead of trying something out for yourself!

what is mininum wage in UK, compared to the US.  im jsut curious. and to the lemmings who think ps3 will not do well in UK you must be on crack. and the cows who thought 360 wont do well in UK must be on crack also.

no matter where you are from, they will always be somone buying either the 360, ps3 or both of them.