Apple makes best PC gaming laptop

The retina might not be the best in raw performance, however it's the best "portable" gaming laptop. What a joke that PC manufacturers still continue to make 2 inch thick, 7LB+ monsters with crap TN screens for $1799.99+, when a thinner, similarly specced, high quality rMBP goes for sub ~2100.

The retina might not be the best in raw performance, however it's the best "portable" gaming laptop. What a joke that PC manufacturers still continue to make 2 inch thick, 7LB+ monsters with crap TN screens for $1799.99+, when a thinner, similarly specced, high quality rMBP goes for sub ~2100.

Dynafrom

Anyone that buys macs are idiots when you can build a hackintosh for less then half the cost.

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[QUOTE="Dynafrom"]

The retina might not be the best in raw performance, however it's the best "portable" gaming laptop. What a joke that PC manufacturers still continue to make 2 inch thick, 7LB+ monsters with crap TN screens for $1799.99+, when a thinner, similarly specced, high quality rMBP goes for sub ~2100.

04dcarraher

Anyone that buys macs are idiots when you can build a hackintosh for less then half the cost.

If you're talking about the Y580, the screen is absolute trash at default config (price you quoted). In addition, it's 2x thicker, and weighs 6+ lbs. Forget about the garbage plastic construction either. The Ideapad line is JUNK, I'd rather a build quality of the thinkpad line.

$2000 for any computer is ridiculous. I'd rather get a $500 asus if I wanted to do some portable gaming. YoshiYogurt

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"]$2000 for any computer is ridiculous. I'd rather get a $500 asus if I wanted to do some portable gaming. Dynafrom

[QUOTE="Dynafrom"][QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"]$2000 for any computer is ridiculous. I'd rather get a $500 asus if I wanted to do some portable gaming. achilles614

All better than a $500 asus with 1366x768 resolution running games on low settings with piss poor framerates.

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[QUOTE="Dynafrom"]

The retina might not be the best in raw performance, however it's the best "portable" gaming laptop. What a joke that PC manufacturers still continue to make 2 inch thick, 7LB+ monsters with crap TN screens for $1799.99+, when a thinner, similarly specced, high quality rMBP goes for sub ~2100.

Dynafrom

Anyone that buys macs are idiots when you can build a hackintosh for less then half the cost.

This Gigabyte P2542G and Lenovo gaming laptops are cheaper and have all of those besides the higher resolution display which only the new macbook pro has but there both using 1080p displays which on a 15.6" laptop will look great and games will run better and at higher graphics settings at the native resolution vs the new macbook pro.

http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/laptop/ideapad/y-series/y580/

http://www.excaliberpc.com/619540/gigabyte-p2542g-cf1-15.6-notebook.html

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"]$2000 for any computer is ridiculous. I'd rather get a $500 asus if I wanted to do some portable gaming. Dynafrom

[QUOTE="Dynafrom"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"] While you can grab a $900 laptop that has an i7, 6gb of memory and a 2gb GTX 660m(performance of a GTX 460) and weighs less then six pounds....While the $1700+ MBP use intel intergrated or GTX 650m....

Anyone that buys macs are idiots when you can build a hackintosh for less then half the cost.

DJ_Headshot

This Gigabyte P2542G and Lenovo gaming laptops have all of those besides the higher resolution display which only the new macbook pro has but there still both using 1080p displays which on a 15.6" laptop will look great and games will run better and at higher graphics settings.

http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/laptop/ideapad/y-series/y580/

http://www.excaliberpc.com/619540/gigabyte-p2542g-cf1-15.6-notebook.html

[QUOTE="Dynafrom"][QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"]$2000 for any computer is ridiculous. I'd rather get a $500 asus if I wanted to do some portable gaming. YoshiYogurt

or having a strained back carrying a 6lb + laptop all day.Dynafrom

[QUOTE="Dynafrom"] or having a strained back carrying a 6lb + laptop all day.Silenthps

0/10. As someone who bought into the Mac hype 8 years ago, I would never buy another one. Games are poorly ported to the OS and they are really overpriced.

Except it can't really do the resolution of the retina display while gaming. Plus, it gets really hot (and that's just watching youtube)

0/10. As someone who bought into the Mac hype 8 years ago, I would never buy another one. Games are poorly ported to the OS and they are really overpriced.

rockydog1111

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"][QUOTE="Dynafrom"] And the $500 asus will have a piss poor screen, a GT630m at best (garbage card), and a battery life of 2hrs. You get what you pay for.Dynafrom

Except the retina MBP have a number of problems along with many apps not yet being updated for retina display

Except it can't really do the resolution of the retina display while gaming. Plus, it gets really hot (and that's just watching youtube)

lostrib

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

Except it can't really do the resolution of the retina display while gaming. Plus, it gets really hot (and that's just watching youtube)

Dynafrom

Yes it does get hot from youtube, because flash causes the discrete graphics card to kick in which greatly increases heat. Unless you use gfxcardstatus to force only integrated or force only HTML5 (and even then it still gets hot)

I'd take a cheaper and similarly specced system. Such as:

Linky.

It's around $700 cheaper.

So... You claim that a very thin laptop which gets extremely hot by doing nothing, and with no air circulation is THE best gaming laptop? Enjoy your paperweight in a few months, with the dust buildup, and overheated componants, it sounds like the dumbest use of said Laptop (be gaming on it that it).

But each tohis own I guess, as long as someone does acknowlage its thier own failt, and not blame it on hardware *rolls eyes*

[QUOTE="DJ_Headshot"]

[QUOTE="Dynafrom"] Link to laptop? You seem to forget that the GT650m in the rMBP is clocked to GTX660m levels (same cards, different clocks). The GPU in the retina is effectively a GTX660m, which lots of room for overclocking. You also neglect things like BATTERY life, screen quality, and portability. Find me a cheaper laptop that can do all of the aforementioned, and i'll stand corrected.Dynafrom

This Gigabyte P2542G and Lenovo gaming laptops have all of those besides the higher resolution display which only the new macbook pro has but there still both using 1080p displays which on a 15.6" laptop will look great and games will run better and at higher graphics settings.

http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/laptop/ideapad/y-series/y580/

http://www.excaliberpc.com/619540/gigabyte-p2542g-cf1-15.6-notebook.html

I'll admit that for the specs its impressive the thinnes and lightness of it it is but its defintly not the only light weight gaming grade laptop this gigbyte laptop is lighter $1200 cheaper and is close in cpu/gpu performance(and with both running at native resolution expect it to perform similair if not better in games). It also uses a 1600x900 ips screen what your missing out on is the higher resolution and higher dpi screen of the macbook pro retina.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Gigabyte-shows-off-14-inch-U2440-U2442-Ultrabooks-and-Carbon-X11-notebook.76029.0.html

[QUOTE="Dynafrom"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

Except it can't really do the resolution of the retina display while gaming. Plus, it gets really hot (and that's just watching youtube)

lostrib

Yes it does get hot from youtube, because flash causes the discrete graphics card to kick in which greatly increases heat. Unless you use gfxcardstatus to force only integrated or force only HTML5 (and even then it still gets hot)

So... You claim that a very thin laptop which gets extremely hot by doing nothing, and with no air circulation is THE best gaming laptop? Enjoy your paperweight in a few months, with the dust buildup, and overheated componants, it sounds like the dumbest use of said Laptop (be gaming on it that it).

But each tohis own I guess, as long as someone does acknowlage its thier own failt, and not blame it on hardware *rolls eyes*

Maddie_Larkin

PC gamers like poorly constructed casing along with ghetto mods to their system, and are supposely anti-laptops as if they set the standards. They have trouble forking in $ for softwares, and now you're asking them to pay those amount for the best laptop in the world? They rather buy a cheap plastic Lenovo and run lowly 720p TN screens.

[QUOTE="Dynafrom"][QUOTE="DJ_Headshot"]

This Gigabyte P2542G and Lenovo gaming laptops have all of those besides the higher resolution display which only the new macbook pro has but there still both using 1080p displays which on a 15.6" laptop will look great and games will run better and at higher graphics settings.

http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/laptop/ideapad/y-series/y580/

http://www.excaliberpc.com/619540/gigabyte-p2542g-cf1-15.6-notebook.html

DJ_Headshot

I'll admit that for the specs its impressive the thinnes and lightness of it it is but its defintly not the only light weight gaming grade laptop this gigbyte laptop is lighter $1200 cheaper and is close in cpu/gpu performance(and with both running at native resolution expect it to perform similair if not better in games). It also uses a 1600x900 ips screen what your missing out on is the higher resolution and higher dpi screen of the macbook pro retina.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Gigabyte-shows-off-14-inch-U2440-U2442-Ultrabooks-and-Carbon-X11-notebook.76029.0.html

I'd take a cheaper and similarly specced system. Such as:

Linky.

It's around $700 cheaper.

lundy86_4

PC gamers like poorly constructed casing along with ghetto mods to their system, and are supposely anti-laptops as if they set the standards. They have trouble forking in $ for softwares, and now you're asking them to pay those amount for the best laptop in the world? They rather buy a cheap plastic Lenovo and run lowly 720p TN screens.

Mr_BillGates

Wut?

Unless you have figures to back up these statements, be quiet.

PC gamers like poorly constructed casing along with ghetto mods to their system, and are supposely anti-laptops as if they set the standards. They have trouble forking in $ for softwares, and now you're asking them to pay those amount for the best laptop in the world? They rather buy a cheap plastic Lenovo and run lowly 720p TN screens.

Mr_BillGates

MMm, if you're talking about desktops I'd have to disagree. Sure a lot of PC gamers put gaudy looking LED fans, with ugly cases. But take for instance my rig:

I use a very simple TJ09, which is very high quality.

And for reference my PC setup:

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

I'd take a cheaper and similarly specced system. Such as:

Linky.

It's around $700 cheaper.

Dynafrom

I didn't neglect it. I chose that for the money I would save, i'd sacrifice those advantages.

What's the rMBP's native res and how well do the 650m run games on it? jun_aka_pekto

Native res is 2880x1800.

Games run VERY well, depending on the age of the game.

BF3 = 1680x1050, High settings for 50-60+ FPS on 64P servers.

Skyrim = 1920x1200 Ultra settings, 4x AA, 50+ FPS

All source games = 2880x1800, 8x MSAA 120+ FPS

Shogun 2 = 1920x1200, High settings, 50+ FPS.

I tend to tradeoff quality for higher FPS, but for some people, they can play at 2880x1800 @ 30 FPS.

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Interesting article on bootcamping Windows 7 on the new rMBP machines.

I am sorry but I completely disagree. The retian screen, at the end of the day, is simply a gimmick to get customers to purchase the MAC. Frankly, there is no content out there at that resolution (in terms of movies) and in terms of games, that weak GTX650m will not be able to run any new games at max 1080p, not to mention anywhere near that Retina resolution. Sure the GTX650m may be able to play older games at the higher resolution, but again those are older games, so again not really a strength at all in my eye. You want a good gaming laptop, you get something like ASUS G75, MSI GT70, Sager NP9170 and etc. The rMBP makes for a poor gaming laptop (plus you need to install Windows before you can run most games, given that the MAC OS has next to no gaming support). At $2200 for a laptop with Core i7 3610qm, 8GB of Ram and a weak GTX650m is over priced. Plus do take into account that the new MAC's have cooling issues, so you really wont be able to play games with them properly, because they were not designed for that. The only reason people buy Apple (unless if they edit pictures, videos and etc) is because of the brand name, and frankly those people are idiots, why pay 2-3x for the same thing? Unless if you want to give the appearence that you have "high" disposable income (and frankly if one really wants to show that they have money, they should start with a nice watch like a Tag Heuer Grand Carrera, an Omega Speedmaster, a Rolex and etc, or get a luxury car, at least a 3 Series, or an Audi A4, or the Benz E Class)jonathant5

Why do people keep harping the same nonsense? If you don't own a retina, then how can you describe gaming performance? The retina screen is not a gimmick, it's the real deal. 2880x1800 on W7, w/ 150% DPI scaling looks phenomenal. And the "weak" GT650 is actually clocked to GTX660m levels @ stock, and with mine, I was able to get +150/+500 OC, which increased it by a additional 12%. You can play NEW games at 1920x1200, as I've tested. Yes, you need to install W7, but since I had EE given from work, it was FREE for me. A good "PC" gaming laptop is a desktop replacement. It's not a portable machine. Something you carry when you commute would be a much lighter machine. The demographics for the rMBP is not for the highschool student. It's for the moving professional who can do some gaming while sitting on a train to work. And what "cooling" issue do you speak of? Anand did a analysis of this, with almost 0 throttling in games. I bought the rMBP because it had no PC equivalent on the market, and I can afford it. For the professional who wants a mobile gaming laptop, this is the BEST option.

[QUOTE="jonathant5"]I am sorry but I completely disagree. The retian screen, at the end of the day, is simply a gimmick to get customers to purchase the MAC. Frankly, there is no content out there at that resolution (in terms of movies) and in terms of games, that weak GTX650m will not be able to run any new games at max 1080p, not to mention anywhere near that Retina resolution. Sure the GTX650m may be able to play older games at the higher resolution, but again those are older games, so again not really a strength at all in my eye. You want a good gaming laptop, you get something like ASUS G75, MSI GT70, Sager NP9170 and etc. The rMBP makes for a poor gaming laptop (plus you need to install Windows before you can run most games, given that the MAC OS has next to no gaming support). At $2200 for a laptop with Core i7 3610qm, 8GB of Ram and a weak GTX650m is over priced. Plus do take into account that the new MAC's have cooling issues, so you really wont be able to play games with them properly, because they were not designed for that. The only reason people buy Apple (unless if they edit pictures, videos and etc) is because of the brand name, and frankly those people are idiots, why pay 2-3x for the same thing? Unless if you want to give the appearence that you have "high" disposable income (and frankly if one really wants to show that they have money, they should start with a nice watch like a Tag Heuer Grand Carrera, an Omega Speedmaster, a Rolex and etc, or get a luxury car, at least a 3 Series, or an Audi A4, or the Benz E Class)Dynafrom

Why do people keep harping the same nonsense? If you don't own a retina, then how can you describe gaming performance? The retina screen is not a gimmick, it's the real deal. 2880x1800 on W7, w/ 150% DPI scaling looks phenomenal. And the "weak" GT650 is actually clocked to GTX660m levels @ stock, and with mine, I was able to get +150/+500 OC, which increased it by a additional 12%. You can play NEW games at 1920x1200, as I've tested. Yes, you need to install W7, but since I had EE given from work, it was FREE for me. A good "PC" gaming laptop is a desktop replacement. It's not a portable machine. Something you carry when you commute would be a much lighter machine. The demographics for the rMBP is not for the highschool student. It's for the moving professional who can do some gaming while sitting on a train to work. And what "cooling" issue do you speak of? Anand did a analysis of this, with almost 0 throttling in games. I bought the rMBP because it had no PC equivalent on the market, and I can afford it. For the professional who wants a mobile gaming laptop, this is the BEST option.

Firstly, why would anyone play games on a laptop?

Secondly, it's a Mac. It's a no place for gaming.

Interesting article on bootcamping Windows 7 on the new rMBP machines.

lundy86_4

This thread is Over! Ownage approve!

[QUOTE="DJ_Headshot"]

[QUOTE="Dynafrom"] I've already stated the Y580 base model is 1366x768 @ 900. It's 1100+ with the FHD screen. Both laptops are good in their own right, but are twice as thick, and weigh almost twice as much. Neither of which are more or is as portable as the rMBP, which the screen is still miles ahead of both laptops. Don't get me wrong, I'm a PC gamer with a insane setup. But the rMBP is the first portable gaming laptop I've ever seen (the razer was overpriced, and GT555m LOL?)Dynafrom

I'll admit that for the specs its impressive the thinnes and lightness of it it is but its defintly not the only light weight gaming grade laptop this gigbyte laptop is lighter $1200 cheaper and is close in cpu/gpu performance(and with both running at native resolution expect it to perform similair if not better in games). It also uses a 1600x900 ips screen what your missing out on is the higher resolution and higher dpi screen of the macbook pro retina.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Gigabyte-shows-off-14-inch-U2440-U2442-Ultrabooks-and-Carbon-X11-notebook.76029.0.html

The 640/630m do not come close to a 650m, which stock is 20%+ faster. The higher clocked version in the rMBP would be even more faster. For $1200, the gigabyte is a rip off, considering it's just a timeline M5 but $400 more.

20% is definely close people raved about the 8800gt when it first came out was like 80% of a 8800gtx and that was only $250 cheaper when something is $1100 cheaper and comes that close thats definatly something. Especially since given the resolution on it you don't need as much power to run games well at the native resolution so the performance diffrence is a moot point. The macbook pro retina is not a bad laptop by any means its actually very good but its not "the best gaming laptop". Its not the highest performance you can buy for the money nor is the lightest gaming grade laptop you can buy and its certinaly not the best bang for you buck laptop. What is the best at is at having the highest resolution display in a laptop and for people who value highresolution+dpi in small laptop screen it is the is the best one currently and It fills that niche for those willing to pay the high price.

[QUOTE="Dynafrom"]

[QUOTE="jonathant5"]I am sorry but I completely disagree. The retian screen, at the end of the day, is simply a gimmick to get customers to purchase the MAC. Frankly, there is no content out there at that resolution (in terms of movies) and in terms of games, that weak GTX650m will not be able to run any new games at max 1080p, not to mention anywhere near that Retina resolution. Sure the GTX650m may be able to play older games at the higher resolution, but again those are older games, so again not really a strength at all in my eye. You want a good gaming laptop, you get something like ASUS G75, MSI GT70, Sager NP9170 and etc. The rMBP makes for a poor gaming laptop (plus you need to install Windows before you can run most games, given that the MAC OS has next to no gaming support). At $2200 for a laptop with Core i7 3610qm, 8GB of Ram and a weak GTX650m is over priced. Plus do take into account that the new MAC's have cooling issues, so you really wont be able to play games with them properly, because they were not designed for that. The only reason people buy Apple (unless if they edit pictures, videos and etc) is because of the brand name, and frankly those people are idiots, why pay 2-3x for the same thing? Unless if you want to give the appearence that you have "high" disposable income (and frankly if one really wants to show that they have money, they should start with a nice watch like a Tag Heuer Grand Carrera, an Omega Speedmaster, a Rolex and etc, or get a luxury car, at least a 3 Series, or an Audi A4, or the Benz E Class)bobbetybob

Why do people keep harping the same nonsense? If you don't own a retina, then how can you describe gaming performance? The retina screen is not a gimmick, it's the real deal. 2880x1800 on W7, w/ 150% DPI scaling looks phenomenal. And the "weak" GT650 is actually clocked to GTX660m levels @ stock, and with mine, I was able to get +150/+500 OC, which increased it by a additional 12%. You can play NEW games at 1920x1200, as I've tested. Yes, you need to install W7, but since I had EE given from work, it was FREE for me. A good "PC" gaming laptop is a desktop replacement. It's not a portable machine. Something you carry when you commute would be a much lighter machine. The demographics for the rMBP is not for the highschool student. It's for the moving professional who can do some gaming while sitting on a train to work. And what "cooling" issue do you speak of? Anand did a analysis of this, with almost 0 throttling in games. I bought the rMBP because it had no PC equivalent on the market, and I can afford it. For the professional who wants a mobile gaming laptop, this is the BEST option.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Interesting article on bootcamping Windows 7 on the new rMBP machines.

FireEmblem_Man

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