Are consoles really holding back PC?

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#1 nameless12345
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So what you say, are they holding it back or not?

Also, are they holding it back in things other than graphics too?

Discuss. :D

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#2 lundy86_4
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To an extent, yes. Either developers are focussing on multiple systems, or they're focussing on what works on all systems. Is it a big deal? Lolno.

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#3 Chris_Williams
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we'll never know

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#4 svengalis
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Depends on the games.
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#5 themajormayor
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No only good games for PC are RTS. How could consoles hold back RTS games? There are none on consoles

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#6 XaosII
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Absolutely.

I really dislike how many multiplatform games have to have smaller levels or less detailed levels due to memory constraints on consoles.

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#7 lundy86_4
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No only good games for PC are RTS. How could consoles hold back RTS games? There are none on consoles

themajormayor

If we're looking at your subjective view, then sure.

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#8 ionusX
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

No only good games for PC are RTS. How could consoles hold back RTS games? There are none on consoles

lundy86_4

If we're looking at your subjective view, then sure.

or if we all think like a troll

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#9 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

No only good games for PC are RTS. How could consoles hold back RTS games? There are none on consoles

lundy86_4

If we're looking at your subjective view, then sure.

There's no objective view to this question. But even Gamespot agrees with me.
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#10 Maneil99
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no way. if they were we would see JAW DROPPING exlusives, sure they look good but many pc multiplats looks just as good as their exclusives.

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#11 ShadowDeathX
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More like old hardware is holding back modern game design. There is so much developers could be doing with their games but aren't allowed to because it would overflow the old hardware's budget. It doesn't matter if it's consoles or an old PC, if that audience is targeted, the developers gave up potential improvements to get that.
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#12 HaloinventedFPS
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do we really have to list a bunch of games dumbed down by consoles?

hell Bioware admitted they dumbed down Dragon Age 2 for console users

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#13 Obviously_Right
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No only good games for PC are RTS. How could consoles hold back RTS games? There are none on consoles

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:lol:

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#14 ispeakfact
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Nope. In fact, it's the other way around.
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#15 Arach666
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From a technical standpoint,absolutely. Just imagine if the PC/360/PS3 multiplats were all based on the Wii as the lead platform and you´ll have an idea.

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#16 Like-a-Boss
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No. PC is holding back PC. Developers dont invest the extra time and resources into better performing PC games because the sales aren't worth it (like a BOSS).
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#17 ShadowDeathX
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From a technical standpoint,absolutely. Just imagine if the PC/360/PS3 multiplats were all beased on the Wii as the lead platform and you´ll have an idea.Arach666
Good example that no one likes to see. Having a PC game centric around PS3/360 limitations is like having a PS3/360 centric around Wii limitations.

Consolities think that the gap between the Wii and 360/PS3 is bigger than PC and the PS3/Xbox 360, but it isn't. The gap is about the same.

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#18 lundy86_4
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There's no objective view to this question. But even Gamespot agrees with me.themajormayor

Exactly, so why you're response is phrased as an objective statement is beyond me.

Also, feel free to prove how GS agrees with you.Remember, "Good" is defined as 8.0 and above.Furthermore, RTS is only a sub-genre of Strategy.

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#19 HaloinventedFPS
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compare Dragon Age Origins to Dragon Age 2

compare FEAR 1 to FEAR 2/3

compare Crysis 1/Warhead to Crysis 2

compare BF2/Project Reality to BC2/BF3

compare COD4 PC to MW2 PC

compare AVP2 to AVP3

compare Jedi Knight 2/3 to TFU

compare Morrowind to Skyrim

i dont know, MAYBE

but i guess im "entitled"

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#20 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]There's no objective view to this question. But even Gamespot agrees with me.lundy86_4

Exactly, so why you're response is phrased as an objective statement is beyond me.

Also, feel free to prove how GS agrees with you.Remember, "Good" is defined as 8.0 and above.Furthermore, RTS is only a sub-genre of Strategy.

How come my post is the only post you have a problem with when all posts are subjective statements phrased objective?? 'IMO' in this case is redudant since good is by definition subjective when it comes to games. Just look at the spreadsheet. Most good PC exclusives are RTS or crap games like The Sims which doesn't count because of aforementioned crappiness. True but Endless Space probably won't even get reviewed.
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#21 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]There's no objective view to this question. But even Gamespot agrees with me.themajormayor

Exactly, so why you're response is phrased as an objective statement is beyond me.

Also, feel free to prove how GS agrees with you.Remember, "Good" is defined as 8.0 and above.Furthermore, RTS is only a sub-genre of Strategy.

How come my post is the only post you have a problem with when all posts are subjective statements phrased objective?? 'IMO' in this case is redudant since good is by definition subjective when it comes to games. Just look at the spreadsheet. Most good PC exclusives are RTS or crap games like The Sims which doesn't count because of aforementioned crappiness. True but Endless Space probably won't even get reviewed.

First one I picked up on, bro. Let's not get all upset because I paid attention to your post. It comes across as objective reasoning to a subjective topic... That's why I picked up on yours.

You said GS agrees with you, and they label "Good" as being an 8.0 plus. If they agree with you, you must have the same scale :?

Most good PC exclusives are RTS or crap games like The Sims which doesn't count because of aforementioned crappiness.

themajormayor

Unfortunately, this is not proving anything. Come on.

Anyway, unless you come back with anything more than "PC games are crap", shut up.

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#22 Nanomage
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]There's no objective view to this question. But even Gamespot agrees with me.themajormayor

Exactly, so why you're response is phrased as an objective statement is beyond me.

Also, feel free to prove how GS agrees with you.Remember, "Good" is defined as 8.0 and above.Furthermore, RTS is only a sub-genre of Strategy.

How come my post is the only post you have a problem with when all posts are subjective statements phrased objective?? 'IMO' in this case is redudant since good is by definition subjective when it comes to games. Just look at the spreadsheet. Most good PC exclusives are RTS or crap games like The Sims which doesn't count because of aforementioned crappiness. True but Endless Space probably won't even get reviewed.

I just looked at the spreadsheet,I see games from all genres there,from RPG´s to FPS´s,from Strategy to MMO,racing,survival horror and simulations,even JRPG´s, fighting games and platformers. I don´t know wich spreadsheet have you seen,but it sure is different thatn the real one.
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#23 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Exactly, so why you're response is phrased as an objective statement is beyond me.

Also, feel free to prove how GS agrees with you.Remember, "Good" is defined as 8.0 and above.Furthermore, RTS is only a sub-genre of Strategy.

lundy86_4

How come my post is the only post you have a problem with when all posts are subjective statements phrased objective?? 'IMO' in this case is redudant since good is by definition subjective when it comes to games. Just look at the spreadsheet. Most good PC exclusives are RTS or crap games like The Sims which doesn't count because of aforementioned crappiness. True but Endless Space probably won't even get reviewed.

First one I picked up on, bro. Let's not get all upset because I paid attention to your post. It comes across as objective reasoning to a subjective topic... That's why I picked up on yours.

You said GS agrees with you, and they label "Good" as being an 8.0 plus. If they agree with you, you must have the same scale :?

Most good PC exclusives are RTS or crap games like The Sims which doesn't count because of aforementioned crappiness.

themajormayor

Unfortunately, this is not proving anything. Come on.

Anyway, unless you come back with anything more than "PC games are crap", shut up.

Yeah whatever cause your sig is gross

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#24 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Exactly, so why you're response is phrased as an objective statement is beyond me.

Also, feel free to prove how GS agrees with you.Remember, "Good" is defined as 8.0 and above.Furthermore, RTS is only a sub-genre of Strategy.

Nanomage
How come my post is the only post you have a problem with when all posts are subjective statements phrased objective?? 'IMO' in this case is redudant since good is by definition subjective when it comes to games. Just look at the spreadsheet. Most good PC exclusives are RTS or crap games like The Sims which doesn't count because of aforementioned crappiness. True but Endless Space probably won't even get reviewed.

I just looked at the spreadsheet,I see games from all genres there,from RPG´s to FPS´s,from Strategy to MMO,racing,survival horror and simulations,even JRPG´s, fighting games and platformers. I don´t know wich spreadsheet have you seen,but it sure is different thatn the real one.

Prove it
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#25 lundy86_4
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Yeah whatever cause your sig is gross

themajormayor

Yeah, good job :lol:

If you're gonna act like you're right, at least put up a decent argument.

Prove it themajormayor

You've yet to prove your assertions.

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#26 Nanomage
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Nanomage"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] How come my post is the only post you have a problem with when all posts are subjective statements phrased objective?? 'IMO' in this case is redudant since good is by definition subjective when it comes to games. Just look at the spreadsheet. Most good PC exclusives are RTS or crap games like The Sims which doesn't count because of aforementioned crappiness. True but Endless Space probably won't even get reviewed.

I just looked at the spreadsheet,I see games from all genres there,from RPG´s to FPS´s,from Strategy to MMO,racing,survival horror and simulations,even JRPG´s, fighting games and platformers. I don´t know wich spreadsheet have you seen,but it sure is different thatn the real one.

Prove it

Go look at the spreadsheet yourself.
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#27 nameless12345
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compare Dragon Age Origins to Dragon Age 2

compare FEAR 1 to FEAR 2/3

compare Crysis 1/Warhead to Crysis 2

compare BF2/Project Reality to BC2/BF3

compare COD4 PC to MW2 PC

compare AVP2 to AVP3

compare Jedi Knight 2/3 to TFU

compare Morrowind to Skyrim

i dont know, MAYBE

but i guess im "entitled"

HaloinventedFPS

All of the games you mentioned were on consoles tho (except AVP2)...

And I thought Oblivion was better than Morrowind.

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#28 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

Yeah whatever cause your sig is gross

lundy86_4

Yeah, good job :lol:

If you're gonna act like you're right, at least put up a decent argument.

no u
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#29 Nanomage
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[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

compare Dragon Age Origins to Dragon Age 2

compare FEAR 1 to FEAR 2/3

compare Crysis 1/Warhead to Crysis 2

compare BF2/Project Reality to BC2/BF3

compare COD4 PC to MW2 PC

compare AVP2 to AVP3

compare Jedi Knight 2/3 to TFU

compare Morrowind to Skyrim

i dont know, MAYBE

but i guess im "entitled"

nameless12345

All of the games you mentioned were on consoles tho (except AVP2)...

And I thought Oblivion was better than Morrowind.

Key being wich platfrom was the lead,and in all of those it was the PC.
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Nanomage"] I just looked at the spreadsheet,I see games from all genres there,from RPG´s to FPS´s,from Strategy to MMO,racing,survival horror and simulations,even JRPG´s, fighting games and platformers. I don´t know wich spreadsheet have you seen,but it sure is different thatn the real one.Nanomage
Prove it

Go look at the spreadsheet yourself.

no u

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#31 HaloinventedFPS
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[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

compare Dragon Age Origins to Dragon Age 2

compare FEAR 1 to FEAR 2/3

compare Crysis 1/Warhead to Crysis 2

compare BF2/Project Reality to BC2/BF3

compare COD4 PC to MW2 PC

compare AVP2 to AVP3

compare Jedi Knight 2/3 to TFU

compare Morrowind to Skyrim

i dont know, MAYBE

but i guess im "entitled"

nameless12345

All of the games you mentioned were on consoles tho (except AVP2)...

And I thought Oblivion was better than Morrowind.

all the games i mentioned were lead platform on PC, but then became lead platform on console

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[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

compare Dragon Age Origins to Dragon Age 2

compare FEAR 1 to FEAR 2/3

compare Crysis 1/Warhead to Crysis 2

compare BF2/Project Reality to BC2/BF3

compare COD4 PC to MW2 PC

compare AVP2 to AVP3

compare Jedi Knight 2/3 to TFU

compare Morrowind to Skyrim

i dont know, MAYBE

but i guess im "entitled"

nameless12345

All of the games you mentioned were on consoles tho (except AVP2)...

And I thought Oblivion was better than Morrowind.

BF2 and Crysis Warhead aren't on consoles as well!

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#33 lundy86_4
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]no uthemajormayor

Yeah, this is going nowhere, f*cking idiot :lol:

Have a good one.

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#34 BPoole96
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Simply put, yes. Although the PC has been getting more attention from devs and they are actually learning that doing a crappy port for the PC isnt going to sell
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#35 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]]no ulundy86_4

Yeah, this is going nowhere, f*cking idiot :lol:

Have a good one.

No I think it's going somewhere
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#36 Arach666
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[QUOTE="Nanomage"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] How come my post is the only post you have a problem with when all posts are subjective statements phrased objective?? 'IMO' in this case is redudant since good is by definition subjective when it comes to games. Just look at the spreadsheet. Most good PC exclusives are RTS or crap games like The Sims which doesn't count because of aforementioned crappiness. True but Endless Space probably won't even get reviewed.themajormayor
I just looked at the spreadsheet,I see games from all genres there,from RPG´s to FPS´s,from Strategy to MMO,racing,survival horror and simulations,even JRPG´s, fighting games and platformers. I don´t know wich spreadsheet have you seen,but it sure is different thatn the real one.

Prove it

What he´s saying is not innacurate at all,just by looking at the spreadsheet you see all sorts of genres on the PC,a ton of them exclusive.

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No I think it's going somewherethemajormayor

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#38 lawlessx
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Nope. In fact, it's the other way around.ispeakfact
PC gaming holding back console gaming? do explain
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#39 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]No I think it's going somewherelundy86_4

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Yeah? Does it look like I care?
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#40 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]No I think it's going somewherethemajormayor

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Yeah? Does it look like I care?

Why is this conversation still going?

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#41 nameless12345
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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

compare Dragon Age Origins to Dragon Age 2

compare FEAR 1 to FEAR 2/3

compare Crysis 1/Warhead to Crysis 2

compare BF2/Project Reality to BC2/BF3

compare COD4 PC to MW2 PC

compare AVP2 to AVP3

compare Jedi Knight 2/3 to TFU

compare Morrowind to Skyrim

i dont know, MAYBE

but i guess im "entitled"

HaloinventedFPS

All of the games you mentioned were on consoles tho (except AVP2)...

And I thought Oblivion was better than Morrowind.

all the games i mentioned were lead platform on PC, but then became lead platform on console

Wouldn't that be the publisher/developer's decision?

I think FEAR 2, Crysis 2 and BF3 tried to appeal to the CoD audience as well...

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#42 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

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lundy86_4

Yeah? Does it look like I care?

Why is this conversation still going?

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Cause you keep replying to me you anus filled pus
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#43 pickleman999
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"] Yeah? Does it look like I care?

Over 14000 posts in 7 months? Ladies and gentleman, we have one lonely loser on our hands.
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#44 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="pickleman999"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] Yeah? Does it look like I care?

Over 14000 posts in 7 months? Ladies and gentleman, we have one lonely loser on our hands.

I'm not lonely. I got to hug a hot exotic girl a few weeks ago.
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#45 lundy86_4
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Cause you keep replying to me you anus filled pus themajormayor

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]Cause you keep replying to me you anus filled pus lundy86_4

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#47 pickleman999
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Lol WTF is that Lundy. That's too funny lol/.
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#48 nameless12345
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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

compare Dragon Age Origins to Dragon Age 2

compare FEAR 1 to FEAR 2/3

compare Crysis 1/Warhead to Crysis 2

compare BF2/Project Reality to BC2/BF3

compare COD4 PC to MW2 PC

compare AVP2 to AVP3

compare Jedi Knight 2/3 to TFU

compare Morrowind to Skyrim

i dont know, MAYBE

but i guess im "entitled"

mitu123

All of the games you mentioned were on consoles tho (except AVP2)...

And I thought Oblivion was better than Morrowind.

BF2 and Crysis Warhead aren't on consoles as well!

Yea, but to be honest I think the design decisions in BF3 and C2 have more to do with trying to appeal to CoD players than anything.

Also, I don't think BF2 was much better than BF3 but that's me.

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]Cause you keep replying to me you anus filled pus themajormayor

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no u

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