Are cows scared of the 360 price cut?

i'm not a mod. i've provided my point on that subject, you provided yours. that's it, we're just prolonging this off-topic discussion even further. it's enough. talk about the infinite possibilities if you want about the RROD issue, but i just think it should be in another thread. if you think not, continue doing as you please. i'm not a mod, i'm no authority like you said i proclaim myself. subject over.

SambaLele

You provided no point on the subject, you only said I shouldn't say mine. If you really want this to end, is it really smart to invite replies with condescending nonsense like "talk about the infinite possibilities"... like that was what I was doing, like the RROD hasn't been a major issue. That last part was sarcasm, I don't actually think you're an authority figure, weird that you even bring that up.

[QUOTE="SambaLele"]

No, i want links for any or all the proofs you can provide. "makes up like 1%" proves nothing, neither that it sells 1%, or that if it does sells that, that it sells only that much because of xenophobism or consumer preference.

dsmccracken

This is a casual fan forum. I'm not doing homework just because you assign it. Here's a good link though:

http://www.indiana.edu/~easc/resources/commerce_culture/trade.htm

I'm not trying to prove my dissertation for my masters, I'm just telling you what I remember.

Now we're talking.

From the text you provided:

" The most popular vehicles in Japan are in the "small" vehicle category with engine capacity between 661-2,000 cc. In addition, all vehicles are right-hand drive. Most American-made cars are above the 2,000 cc category and hence desired by very few who can afford them."

"Since the signing of the Auto Agreement in August 1995, the Big Three's sales in Japan have grown 33 percent. General Motors had a 43.3 percent increase in sales between July of this and last year. BMW, Volkswagen, and Daimler-Benz followed with 30.4, 22.4, and 6.6 percent, respectively. Among the European manufacturers, Volkswagen's total share of the market is the largest, due mainly to its propensity to make smaller vehicles that are priced right for the Japanese."

From the excerptions: the japanese are willing to buy foreign products, it's just that your products doesn't appeal to them that much. Just see how European products sell better. Also, the increase in sales for both American and European cars contradicts your point of xenophobism.

And from the upcoming excerption i'll take, you see that US politics make japan look like xenophobit with a normal act:

"Two most recent trade issues that have caused a row between the US and Japan are insurance and semiconductors. Back on July 31,1986 the two partners signed the Semiconductor Agreement stating that the foreign share of the Japanese microchip market would be 20 percent. Since that time, the foreign share (mostly American) rose well above that mark, reaching 30.2 percent in 1995. The US alone sold $8 billion worth of chips in Japan last year. Nevertheless, the Clinton administration insisted earlier this year that the agreement be renewed with its original terms. Having done away with most numerical targets through the Framework Talks, Japan refused to continue the agreement and won in the end. Many analysts on both sides of the Pacific agreed that continuing the 20 percent requirement was unnecessary as the American share was well established and only poised to grow from there. The US semiconductor industry is one of the most competitive, high-tech, profitable industries in the US and world alike, and protecting it seems like a waste of taxpayers' money. The only obvious reason for this, according to the Investor's Business Daily, is that President Clinton needs California electoral votes and Silicon Valley's campaign cash this year. In other words, it seems that the expiration of the Semiconductor Agreement hurt only the Clinton administration. Another setback has been the agreement to let the private sector, namely the US Semiconductor Industry Association and Electronics Industry Association of Japan, jointly monitor the market developments, including market size, growth, and share. In time, this bilateral body, named the Semiconductor Council, will become a multilateral body for all countries that agree to slash tariffs on semiconductors."

From the excerptions: the japanese are willing to buy foreign products, it's just that your products doesn't appeal to them that much. Just see how European products sell better. Also, the increase in sales for both American and European cars contradicts your point of xenophobism.

SambaLele

I never once said xenophobic, you did. Repeatedly. I said they support their own industries. I never made a judgement, or gave a hypothesis for their motivations (go look back in the thread, be my guest), I just pointed out that there is an observable phenomenon. BTW, earlier in the thread you asked for proofs on Japanese displaying as you put it "consumer preference" presumably because you deny it, yet now readily admit it. That would be contradictory, no?

Also, quote mining is all well and good, but I notice that you left out the parts that were less than supportive of your point... which sucks, but it is also silly since your point is that Japanese are not xenophobic, which I never said or believed in the first place. You are a funny breed of bird.

I always think of price cuts as more of a sign of weakness than of strength.supercubedude64

Fortunately you aren't responsible for these type of decisions.

Maybe my memory is wrong but the Xbox holds the record for the quickest price cut.

darthogre

When a console drops its price its usually to stimulate demand. Sony dropped its price first because early on its sales were lagging. Right now however MS has seen the ps3 grab momentum and increase its sales. So its easy to see the need to decrease the price....they needed to do something.

The ps3 is rallying right now, 360 is trying to curb the mo.

Why would anyone be scared?

In fact I can imagine most people would be happy. Now if a ps3 owner does not have a 360 they could get one and have all the exclusives.

I dont see why anoyne would be scared. Its not like we all own shares in sonys company. Anyway i would have thought that sony will introduce a price cut when needed. But at the moment the ps3 outsells the 360 so ATM they dont need it like MS does.

Why would anyone be scared?

In fact I can imagine most people would be happy. Now if a ps3 owner does not have a 360 they could get one and have all the exclusives.

I dont see why anoyne would be scared. Its not like we all own shares in sonys company. Anyway i would have thought that sony will introduce a price cut when needed. But at the moment the ps3 outsells the 360 so ATM they dont need it like MS does.

NinjaMunkey01

Ninja, did someone actually say that in your sig? Does he post here on GS?

[QUOTE="darthogre"]

Maybe my memory is wrong but the Xbox holds the record for the quickest price cut.

Pro_wrestler

Your wrong. The 360 went the longest with its launch price of any console in history. :)

You mean until the Nintendo Wii. Its been almost 2 years and no price-cut? Surely its getting close to that record? :?

[QUOTE="dabear"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="SambaLele"]

yes, i'm also saying that people should stop with that cliche stereotype you people give to the japanese. you know that there's also a stereotype for the "typical american" out in the whole world, and it's pretty close to what some here think of japanese people. it's full of prejudice. enough of this already.

SpruceCaboose

I'm all for combating stereotypes and racism, but to deny that there is any tendency in Japan to be isolationist and to support their own industry is absurd in the face of all the evidence to the contrary.

Link? There were issues with China and Harley, and Japan has restrictions on any bike over 400 cc, but I find nothing about consumer group trying to ban Harley's.

Not doubting, just wondering.

The problem with Harleys in China is motorbikes themsleves, which in China are underpowered, their drivers usually don't have licenses to operate them and the drivers are usually crazy and don't obey traffic rules too! Most motorcycles, except police, are banned on major roadways in China, That's the problem Harley faced when trying to penetrate that country.

But really, i believe it! Japanese right-wingers and protectionist are some of the most xenophobic groups in the WORLD! They will do anything to protect their country's "rights" .It's this that has pissed off most of the Japanese neighbors, including China, the Koreas, Philiphines etc. that suffered brutally under Japanese rule in WW II and in which japanese never fully appologized.

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"]

Why would anyone be scared?

In fact I can imagine most people would be happy. Now if a ps3 owner does not have a 360 they could get one and have all the exclusives.

I dont see why anoyne would be scared. Its not like we all own shares in sonys company. Anyway i would have thought that sony will introduce a price cut when needed. But at the moment the ps3 outsells the 360 so ATM they dont need it like MS does.

GazzaB

Ninja, did someone actually say that in your sig? Does he post here on GS?

Nitiz is Jivet or whatever his name was before his account get resetted

not really, i think is a good idea.....that way it will be cheaper for me to get a 360...if i ever get one again ( i went through 3 ):)