Are hybrid consoles the future?

No, I don't think so. Nintendo tapped a part of the market that hadn't really been tapped yet by creating an extremely innovative gimmick which is really hot and should see Wii levels of success. If their next system is way behind PS5 & XB2 next gen I believe we'll have another Wii U like failure.

Like the wiiremote, it's a fad that's not that huge to begin with.

But the fad pushed the Wii to being the best selling console of that gen

Damn, bro. You stalking me?

No, you bumped up a bunch of threads

You dont understand something ...

PS4 and X1 are 8th generation consoles and Nintendos product to go against was Wii U.

Switch is a 9th generation console that will have to compete with PS5/X2 so automatically Switch will be way behind vs same generation systems.

It doesnt matter if Switch sells 100M units or 50M units ... majority of owners having Switch as a secondary platform to begin with so they can play those few Nintendo 1st parties while few die hard, vastly minority if you ask me, they really want to play outside ( personally havent seen a single guy outside with a Switch where i live )

The majority of handhelds are played at home. Away from the TV.

For Nintendo? Absolutely. Switch has been a huge success, and Nintendo would be stupid to go back to two system generations after this, when they can have one that does both.

For everyone else? No. Microsoft has shown no interest in ever dropping into the portable market, and Sony's attempts in it have been awful. They'll both stick with home consoles, because that's not only what their audience wants, but what their games are built around.

You should be grateful, most of those threads bumped are yours. Just doing you a favor.

Then why aren't you on PC? Xbox/PS are horrifyingly underpowered compared to even mid-range PCs.

@UssjTrunks: @spike6958: "and Sony's attempts in it have been awful."

PSP was a flop? =(

@ussjtrunks "Xbox/PS are horrifyingly underpowered compared to even mid-range PCs."

He probably wants to play PS exclusives which aren't available on PC/Mac

Nintendo fans are the gaming hipsters.

Portable gaming is nothing new and games are subjective and vary in every way... Games like Mario and Zelda can get away with being on the Switch but as we have seen with Doom while it is "playable" its by far the worst experience of the game you can have unless you are running it on Intel Integrated Graphics.

If all consoles went hybrid next generation what do you think would happen?... I'm genuinely curious because you people baffle me.

The current anticipated list of most gamer's has games like:

• Red Dead Redemption 2
• Cyberpunk 2077
• The Last of Us 2
• Star Citizen

The list goes on... But my point is these are the CURRENT games that people are waiting for and they would NOT be capable without hardware progression and are not possible to run on Switch level of hardware. Now imagine if all the manufacturers went hybrid next generation, what do you think would happen?... You would hold back natural progression for several generations for the sake of portability?... Current high end SOC Mobile chips do not exceed the raw performance of a PS4 it would take several "hybrid" generations to get to 4k/30FPS with the games we have now. Do you guys not understand that or do you just not care?... Or are you perfectly happy with owning a 65" OLED HDR 4K display and playing doom at 900p on Low settings?

The Switch is not a hybrid console... Its a handheld, my phone can plug into my TV and play games does that make it a console?... Stop it, its a hand held.

1) I dont know any sheep left that own only a Nintendo console like in the old times. Specially with what happened to Wii and Wii U ( premature death, years without games ). Its for a reason why sheep nowdays reffering to Nintendo consoles as secondary. They get it themselves already that they missing out amazing games.

2) AMEN. You cant beleive the hate i was taking for months when i was saying the same thing. Also i predicted that when the head to head comparison starts with other consoles everyone will start hiding behind " but but its a handheld " motto . I was predicting this would happen with the release of next-gen consoles from Sony/Ms though oddly enough with the decision of few publishers to bring multiplatform games on Switch like DOOM etc, what i said will happen most likely in 2019/2020 with the arrival of PS5/X2 or whatever, is already happening. " But but its a handheld " lol.

If you check all around the net, in well known forums youll see how defensive sheep are towards seriously downgraded ports of popular games like DOOM based on portability. And my question is : No more talking about Switch being a console when it comes to multis ? What about people playing only docked and having Switch as console ? Because dont tell me all of a sudden everyone playing on the go. Console when it comes to Mario and Zelda or when it comes to sales war vs PS4/X1, handheld only when it comes to multiplatforms comparison. Portability also affects scoring ? If it is why not 2 separate scores to be fair to the other console versions ?

IGN gave way higher score to Switch version of Doom for example. Lol...

The funny thing ? Switch is a 9th generation "console" while antagonists 9th generation consoles are not even out yet. Just imagine the GAAAAAP between Switch and its true rival ( same generation consoles ).

And when bad Azatis gave his predictions months ago about these things = the annoying hater that needs to get banned.

Anyways, im glad there are people like you that clearly understand what is Switch all about and not falling into marketing craps of 2 in 1 or hybrid hype.

Switch is a handheld, traditional handheld with its underpowered hardware, cartridges and portabilty with the addition of an EXTERNAL device so it can play on TV and i said before that calling it or marketing it as a console will backfire hard on some point and when it will everyone will start hiding behind its portability. Lets see

I really like my switch but I think it's just one option.

@AzatiS:

Switch is up to the user. How can you call it a handheld when you don't have to hold it in your hands to use it? By definition it does not always fit your description, therefore you are wrong.

I think ive stated my opinion on this matter months before Switch released and my predictions becoming a reality already. 99% of sheep on this board thinking Switch as console as well so ill go by that. I strongly disagree though.

A question ! If i connect a mobile device on TV to play a game = console gaming or mobile gaming ?

@AzatiS:

Depends. What does this Mobil device ship with? The Nintendo Switch ships with the console, a dock which charges/runs the console off ac thus changing clock speed, joycons, joycons grip, and HDMI. This tells you what the product is.

So with this portable you speak of, do you have to buy any sort of controller or TV out cables.... Or any accessories?

(on a side note, havent Sony and Samsung taken out the mini HDMI option on their recent phones, instead opting for direct wifi screen mirroring?..... This option does not work for games do to lag.)

I voted no. But, I am getting to the point to where I prefer it. My life as of late has been more and more portable dependent. I have two cases that point to this. 1. When I'm going to family members houses I love that fact that I can bring my Switch with me and not lug a console. We play games on it and enjoy it. 2. With my work demands I have invested in a gaming laptop. It gets WAAAAY more use than my desktop with the 1080TI in it. Once we can put a base PS4 level APU in a shell the size of the Switch, conventional consoles will be endangered. We are close to that already. Also you fools are too invested in MUH GRAFIX!!!! The best games I have played this year minus Persona 5 have been on the Switch bar none.

@AzatiS: I don't understand how you still insist on categorizing the Switch into either a console or a handheld. This thread is literally about hybrids, and yet here you are still trying to act like that's not even a category option, focusing on A or B arguments.

I get the feeling that you think if you can convince people it's "gen 9" and not "gen 8"; and "mobile" and not a "hybrid"; then its popularity and sales don't count any more with regard to your preferred platform. I don't think Nintendo or anyone in the real world cares - it's here, right now, in this gaming market, selling the way it is, and it's selling to people who use it any way they want. You can buy it, tell everyone it's next gen, and only use it on the bus if that's how you personally want to see it

50% of people use it as both a console and a handheld. 20% use it primarily as a console. 30% use it primarily as a handheld. It is what people make of it, not what you want to tell them it is. And this whole "gen" thing is something Nintendo got completely out of sync from long ago - and now the other big 2 are moving away from having meaningful generations at all. So you might not want to fixate so much on assigning an equated generation label across platforms.

Nintendo Switch ships with a handheld .... and a dock that can be used in order for handheld to play on tV ...

So if you say Nintendo Switch ships with the console to begin with, i think we dont have to continue this, you think Switch is a console out of the box, docked or not. I think exactly the opposite.

@xantufrog said:

@AzatiS: I don't understand how you still insist on categorizing the Switch into either a console or a handheld. This thread is literally about hybrids, and yet here you are still trying to act like that's not even a category option, focusing on A or B arguments.

I get the feeling that you think if you can convince people it's "gen 9" and not "gen 8"; and "mobile" and not a "hybrid"; then its popularity and sales don't count any more with regard to your preferred platform. I don't think Nintendo or anyone in the real world cares - it's here, right now, in this gaming market, selling the way it is, and it's selling to people who use it any way they want. You can buy it, tell everyone it's next gen, and only use it on the bus if that's how you see it

50% of people use it as both a console and a handheld. 20% use it solely as a console. 30% use it solely as a handheld. It is what people make of it, not what you want to tell them it is. And this whole "gen" thing is something Nintendo got completely out of sync from long ago - and now the other two big 2 are moving away from having meaningful generations at all. So you might not want to fixate so much on assigning an equated generation label across platforms.

Switch as a unit is a handheld. Using an external add for it to play on TV how makes it a console ? As many stated before a mobile docked = console ? A PC with TV connectivity = console ? Whatever has TV connectivity = console just because ?

Common sense. This isnt too complicated. You all fall for Nintendos marketing thats what happened imo.

When it comes to 1st parties and Switch sales = console and when it comes to multiplatforms = man Switch is not a console is a tablet/handheld/portable ( just search on various forums to see what sheep has to say, youll be surprised. AS i predicted long ago ).

What is it then ? Double standards ? Its on user ? If its on user shouldnt we have 2 separate scores for multis to be fair to traditional consoles ?

1 score for portable mode and 1 for docked mode ? Questions you cant answer because if the system was a console or true hybrid everything would be easy to deal with, but its not. Its handheld with TV connectivity and that makes things complicated which leads to what i predicted it would.

That of people hiding behind portability when there is a head 2 head comparison with traditional consoles. I thought this would happend in 2 years from now with the release of PS5/X2 but it seems its already happening. Just google about it.

@AzatiS: you literally didn't read my post

@AzatiS:

It is what it ships with, like I said. It doesn't exactly fit the typical criteria. When it is docked the console runs at a higher clock speed. It is no longer acting in the same fashion as it does in portable mode. Everything I stated prior was a fact.

Hybrid consoles are the future now as much as Motion controls were the future back in 2006.

Didnt need to when you posted that marketing bs picture from Nintendo nor im buying this " its up to the user " nonsense. Sorry.

Things are pretty simple in my opinion.

What does that even mean ? ... When its docked the handheld runs at a higher clock speed and has TV connectivity. When its undocked , Switch, its your typical handheld.

Thats the right sentence and thats the fact.

I mean what its so difficult to admit ? Lets say Iphone G ( example ) releases with a dock and plays as Switch on TV ... What the hell youll be calling that mobile phone ? A console ? No you wont ! I bet on that. Youll be calling it a mobile phone that can be connected on Tv, therefore plays AS CONSOLE not that its a console let alone is 2 in 1 ...

Stop being marketing victims for once and admit the obvious.

Maybe for kids or university students, not for working people. I'd only be able to play at home.

@AzatiS: maybe if you read my post you wouldn't look like a fool, because you went on a rant about a claim I didn't make. Then you went back and edited it, I see, to make it kinda sorta address my point. But still no, not really.

@AzatiS:

The fact of the matter is the console does not operate the same when docked VS undocked. Even if it appears that way to you, the facts say otherwise.

You avoiding to engage to the points im making though.

Im coming with examples and you simply bypassing them.

@AzatiS: I thought I already did. You avoided the points I had made.

I didnt edited what i said in core , i add things or finding some grammar errors because i make alot. Dont sound like i changed anything major to what i said or what my point was because i didnt.

The thing is this :

Theres a difference to say it PLAYS AS A CONSOLE to say ITS A CONSOLE ( caps to emphazise ). Since Nintendo brainwashed you ( i dont know if youre a victim of that too, seems you are ) and since Nintendo promoted system as a console among everything else media followed ( they couldnt do otherwise ) and then users followed this 2 in 1 hybrid nonsense.

I make so many examples as of why this ISNT a console that you and everyone else that i debated with for months now seems to bypassing. Again and again. You never engage and answer to the questions im making. And dont tell me this is the first time we talking about it, dont let me found every little " Switch is console " nonsense everyone here talked to me about numerous times the last months, i remember pretty well.

So if users want their HANDHELD to be docked and play their favorite games ala console, so be it. Does that making a system a console ? As PC can get connected on TV and play with a traditional console pad is NOT a console and if a mobile end up with a dock and play with a pad on TV wont be a console. I dont even need to read your nonsense, i already know what you trying to say.

Also for the record, to prove you who is the real fool, i had a BLAST when i saw sheep calling Switch a handheld or even a tablet when people were laughing about the seriously downgraded ports of games like DOOM. All over internet. Why i had a blast ? Because i predicted everyone will start hiding behind Switch portability to defend its performance as a console when the time comes ( i thought that would happen with the rival of PS5/X2 but happened way earlier haha ) !

And thats when im the one looking all of those guys as fools to be honest.

Also i dont get why you are bothered so much when im talking facts. Switch, ( since its a console isnt ) is a 9th generation console when PS4/X1 are 8th generation products. Shouldnt i tell that because makes you mad or something ? That a fact, not my problem if youre sensitive hearing facts.

Also this thing about Nintendo moving from traditional console generations long ago is something you made up on your own which clearly shows how irritated and defensive you are towards what im saying. Facts beg to differ and you are not the one that will change that.

Wii was a 7th generation console you like or not and Wii U an 8th generation console. Now switch shouldnt be considered as 9th generation ? Thats something new to me. Whatever fits our arguments right ?

.EDIT : I edited my post several times to add things etc, dont make it sound again like i changed anything vital or something.

@AzatiS: These conversations are painful, because you either won't read and think about what someone else posted, or you do but cannot understand them. I didn't say it was a console. I don't know why you keep replying to me without understanding what I wrote. Are you confusing me with another user or something? Every reply you make directly crashes into the brick wall I was calling you out on in my post, and you just keep backing up and slamming into it again and again.

I also don't know why you think people like me fell for some kind of marketing BS when we bought a Switch... I got exactly what I expected and paid for. I spent all morning playing Horizon, will probably spend the afternoon playing Total War. Maybe you should realize some of us don't care if you think the Switch is gen 9 vs 8, console vs hybrid vs handheld. It has games I like. Deal with it.

You mention Switch as console straight up, we have entirely different point of view on this one. What did i avoid exactly ?

I read and i understand very well. You said in short users deciding how to play with it. And i answered what i beleive with plenty of examples you and everyone dont want to mess up with. I mean what else to say.

Also yes i beleive they fell for it big time marketing wise. If you had in mind that you bought a great handheld unlike any other with the option to play on TV good for you. If you had in mind that you bought a 2 in 1 product .. then you are a marketing victim ( my opinion ).

I dont care if you care, im not saying this so you care. Im talking FACTS. Wii a 7th generation , Wii U an 8th generation and since Switch is a console is a 9th generation.

Saying that Nintendo moved from console generations long ago when industry and media things otherwise speaks for itself. You making things up so you have something to defend Switch with. Switch, since a console or 2 in 1, from both industry, media and users like you ( or whoever ) , is a 9th generation console that its rivals will be PS5 and X2. Deal with it.

@AzatiS:

Well for one I addressed your point a few posts back and you completely glossed over what I had said, with no rebutted, instead saying essentially "well I still think it's a portable."

@AzatiS: alright, enjoy your Sunday. This is not going anywhere...

I never avoid anything , be more precise and lets talk about it.

Holy shit, it's this topic again. lol.

Hybrid Console. Done.

@AzatiS:

Go back and read. Apparently I'm not the only one that you gloss over. Lol.

It seems you people want to engage and having people say " oh youre right " or something. Whoever comes up with a different opinion that can back it up ( generations speaking, paradigms if something should be considered a console based on TV connectivity, facts like what sheep had to say about Switch and DOOM all over internet forums, predictions that were on point etc ) then you going aggressive ( noone cares what you say, you edit, there are not generations anymore, you look like a fool ).

Lets say beleive and think what you want ( noone cares ) and ill beleive what i want ( noone cares too ) and problem solved and be happy.

Why do people insist on arguing with AzatiS, lol. He’s basically a black hole for time and energy.

@Sgt_Crow: I'm a sucker. I'm gonna go game before my grind starts again tomorrow

Beeh, bad trolling. I never run away of a debate and im always backing up everything i say. Sorry im not into sheep united SW ended up being the last few years and im questioning big companies, brainwashing, value, shity marketing etc.

Go play now with your handheld in a dock, Xenoblades 2 is out looks cool.

@AzatiS:

That's all in your head.

Go back and read if you'd like. Choose to respond to points I've made on why the product is what it is. If not, that's okay too--it's not a big deal.

I read and i responded. If you like or agree with what im saying or my point is, is different scenario . Besides you started the debate not I, as always. To summarize in a short manner :

What plays as a console cant be called a console in the same fashion a mobile with TV connectivity wouldnt. Thats a given. I dont care what Nintendo says or sheep saying.

If a user wants his handheld docked to be able to play on TV his favorite games, again, that doesnt make Switch a console, same for mobiles, PCs or anything else that has TV connectivity. Logical dont you think? Yes you do.

Switch is Nintendos 9th generation of consoles as Wii U was 8th and Wii was 7th. This is out of question. You cant argue if Switch is a handheld then when im saying Switch is a 9th generation console you saying .. its not!

LAst few months, when it comes to sales war and 1st parties is the best console ever to every sheep then when the head 2 head comparison with consoles is happening ( as i predicted ) its all about portability and how great handheld Switch is and how Switch is not a console and how Switch is tablet haha ( just lurk in various forums and check for yourself )

I summarized everything to keep it short. It doesnt matter if you agree or not, if you care or not, if you get mad or not. It is what it is. So lets move on, we agree to disagree it seems.

@AzatiS:

It operates as both, sorry. It also operates differently when docked VS when portable.

Console:

an electronic system that connects to a display (as a TV) and is used to play video games

So you agree that my PC is a console as well since consoles generic term is an electronic system that connects to a display or any mobile that can do that on TV as well is console as well. Good to know !

MY PC and my iphone or whatever provide display connectivity to play video games is a console confirmed.