Are PS4 Pro level graphics good enough for this gen?

I play games like Final Fantasy 15 and Titanfall 2 and they look great. Not saying they wouldn't look better on better hardware but the difference would be nominal at best. Then you have games like Horizon and God of War which look phenomenal. What's your take on this SW? Are the graphics wars overblown?

Tbh I think neither Scorpio or pro are good enough Scorpio is not out yet and ps pro is a rushed nightmare people have even been telling me some ps4 games look worse on pro

It is for me. I don't care how much someone is emotionally attached to pixels and game tech, these games on eighth gen consoles look fantastic.

I have a Pro, a 43" 4k, HDR tv and games like Gears 4 on my X1S "pop" more than the patched Uncharted 4.

the scorpio will start a new gen and the pro will be lacking.

They are but they need a much better CPU.

@Commiesdie: Lol, nothing looks worse on Pro.

That is absolutely laughable.

And i would say the PS4 pro has some of the best looking games on the way.

Ugh, no it won't lol...

It's 5 times the power of the xboxone, that's enough to start a new gen. The xboxone isn't even 5 times the power of the 360

I thought everyone understood that a new generation isn't created by power alone? I guess not.

We do, people like him do not.

You're not only insulting my intelligence , you're insulting yourself, of course it's not power alone, there need to be games, but do you really think there won't be any games?

The sun may not come up either tomorrow but that's not really something I take into consideration because it's too far fetched to say the least.

lol it's not games, it's time. Chronology.

what does it have to do with time? or even chronology?

What on Earth is this drivel... Anyways, it's an extension of the Xbox One, that's been made very clear just like it has been for the PlayStation 4 Pro. Also, if power were a determining factor then the Wii U and the Switch would both be 7th generation systems.

Game generations are determined, for the most part, by time. Things become too complicated when you have to figure for things like Sega CD, N64 expansion pack, PS4 Pro, etc. Therefore, the game generations are broken up and categorized by timelines instead of power.

An extension to the xboxone? that's a massive extension then, since it's 5 times as strong. The xboxone is now already struggling with newer games at 900p, the scorpio can't come too soon. MS won't drop the xboxone of course, since they aren't stupid.

But the xboxone slim is now already dirt cheap. It's cost as much as xbox slim in 2011. The moment the xboxone cannot run games at an acceptable framerates anymore, there will be exclusives for the scorpio, that's just how the cookie crumbles, no matter how they package it for you.

Yes, Scorpio is a super powerful Xbox One. They'll probably end up calling it Xbox One Pro, and be part of the Xbox One family like Xbox One and Xbox One S.

Massive or not, it's an extension, also it's going to be in the neighborhood of 7.75x more capable than the Xbox One.

The bottom section of your post remains to be seen, also games can be scaled back completely nullifying your point.

The power behind it is fine, so is the vanilla PS4's, but I feel this gen the graphics capability jump was wasted on chasing the resolution horizon.

Regular PS4 is good enough for me so...

the sega cd and n64 expansion pack are not a good comparison. That was an extension , not a new console, it didn't add much to the existing system, not compared to the xboxone and the scorpio anyway. The difference between the xboxone and the scorpio is even a bigger difference between the xboxone and xbox360.

There's always a cross gen period, where new games are released on both systems, even with the vast difference between the xbox original and the xbox360 era there were still games released on both platforms, king kong for instance.

The whole end of console generations is something that sony tries to do with the ps4pro, microsoft doesn't want to piss off their xboxone buyers and kinda says the same, but the scorpio is a full generational leap and the games will simply follow. It has always been like that.

It won't be long before sony comes with a ps5 , mind my words, they will simply have no choice and in that regard the scorpio may have the time advantage, since people will be ready for a new gen next year, or the year after that, and if sony comes with a ps5 in 2018 or later, the damage will already been done. That is of course, if there are games on the scorpio.

An extension is something like the sega 32x, this is a completely new console, with full backwards compatiblity.

You will have to explain to me how you get to that number of 7.75. 6tflops vs 1.3 is not 7-8 ish in my book.

Games can be scaled back yes and that's how cross gen games always have been released on 2 platforms from different generations. I can't see any difference with other generations besides some clever pr and the promise to port games to the previous system for a longer period of time.

No, that is an expansion, this is an extension, synonymous words with completely different implications.

Simple, you're focusing only on the GPU for god only knows what reason, there's the CPU, RAM capacity, memory bandwidth etc. The system doesn't multiply in capability by the GPU alone, every facet of the hardware needs to be accounted for. The Xbox One for example in regards to the Xbox 360 possesses 10x the system capability.

In terms of scaled back games, Scorpio and the Xbox One will be working with near identical hardware technology in terms of feature sets. That is what kills cross generational game coding and the motivation to continue it, the complete rewriting of code to make it work on an older system because the feature sets of the hardware are vastly different, that is not the case here..

@commander:

I hate to ask this but when did ps4 have that big of a power advance Over xb1 aside from res I don't see

let's not make this a discussion of semantics, extension or expansion, your point is that it won't trigger a new gen because it isn't a new console, according to you it's an 'extension of the xboxone'

Which is odd, since the power difference is so big that the xboxone has nothing to do with this anymore. It's not even called the xboxone pro or something, it's called the scorpio.

The gpu has become the most important aspect of the system besides it's not like the other components won't be upgraded for a new generation as well. Did you know that this generation wasn't meant to have 8 gb standard. The xboxone had 8 gb because it had to better at multitasking since it was more of a multimedia system. The ps4 was planned to have 4gb but because the prices of gddr5 suddenly dropped so much it got 8gb.

The ps2 and xbox original have 64mb ram, the ps3 and x360 have 512 ram. So there was a leap of about 9-10 times. But the xboxone and ps4 have 16 times the amount of ram of the x360 and ps3, while these are the weakest systems of their generations relatively speaking and the x360 and ps3 the strongest. So it's only normal the leap in amount of ram won't be that big this time around since it won't be needed (it's speculated the scorpio will have 12gb of ram) .

It's the same with the cpu, the cpu has never been much of a problem for the xboxone this generation, it was more of problem for the ps4, since it was lower clocked and it needed to feed a stronger gpu. It has already been clearly stated the scorpio will have a premium price, it's highly likely that this will be partially because of a stronger cpu. The 6k gpu in the scorpio would not explain a 500$ price tag. Then it would price/performance wise be more expensive than the pro.

They may not have to port the game to the previous system like they used to but that doesn't change the fact that some games will simply not run very well on the older systems. It's for the same reason games like the witcher 3 and mankind divided murder older cards. Scalability can only go so far and they will of course try to span it as long as possible since it will not only sell those games on older systems, they also made a promise that 'no one would be left behind'.

But everybody knows, and this has already been mentioned by MS, that at a certain time, the xboxone will be left behind. Knowing the industry, this could be a bit longer than the normal cross generation window, but you can expect the first scorpio exclusives in 2019, If I'm not mistaken the first xboxone multiplat that wasn't on the x360 was ac unity and that was 1 year after the release of the x1. Let's not forget VR, if that takes off, it will be without the xbox one.

The problem with consoles isn't the level of graphics that they can render, but the performance of those graphics. The hardware is too weak to render games at acceptable frame rates while maintaining that graphic fidelity. That is why we end up with games running at a shit 30fps or lower. So, the graphics are good enough, but the performance is not.

I think the graphical fidelity we have is great right now... I just want new games, new worlds to explore. More open world western RPG's please. I an craving a new game to suck me in for 100's of hours.

PS4 Pro will be fine since vanilla PS4 and XB1 will be the target development platforms for the foreseeable future.

you cant even do simple math. why should anyone listen to you?

Absolutely not.

@commander: Um no. They're not gonna call it the Scorpio, that's just a development name, the PS4 Pro was called "Neo" during development, so that's a moot point.

You're also not taking into account that the old consoles didn't have shared RAM, now it's 8GB that's used as system memory and video memory.

you have the wrong thread bud lmao

For a 9th gen console, the PS Pro is under powered. That said, I find it to be excellent and it is the most powerful console in the world.

I consider them so. Both of them trumpet X360 ports as a big deal.

Actually for me the regular PS 4 was good enough lol

Not just Pro, but also the original PS4 and Xbox One. These consoles already proved to be capable of fantastic graphics and performance. Last gen games look...well...one gen old in comparison.

You need to wash the shit out of you mouth, foul fucking smell. Quite a few 60 FPS game on pro, and more to come. FF 15 is getting a 60 FPS patch soon.

@Random_Matt: Someone must have hit a nerve lol. Don't let Fanboys ruffle your feathers so bad.

Like I stated in early 2013, The PS4 and Xbox One (without Kinect) should have launched at $500 and had 3TF's of performance. All the posters who disagreed were obviously wrong and don't try and tell me that MS and Sony couldn't have done this because Phil Spencer already came out and said that MS had a chipset with 3TF's performance but MS decided to include Kinect (thanks Don) so they went with the 1.2TF + Kinect chipset. Both consoles would be down to $300 right now and that would have got us thru until 2019 without needing mid-gen refreshes with the added advantage of all games being 1080P/60 with some needing variable resolution to maintain the 60FPS. The Slim models would have given us UHD BluRay and 4K Upscaling with HDR in games.

Now what would have been cheaper?

1) A gen starting at $400 with 1.8TF dev base for performance

OR

2) A gen starting at $500 with a 3TF dev base and no need for mid-gen refreshes?

There are people who already traded in their old PS4's for the Pro so they spent around $700 in HW. The need for mid-gen refreshes is proof that $400 console launches just don't work anymore. $500 should be the Minimum price with the price dropping to $400 after a year and $300 after 2 years.

Was actually just having a laugh, although my point still stands.

I'll doubt they'll call it the xbox one pro, besides, during development of the ps4 pro it was also called the ps4k, so it was already from the beginning seen as some sort of upgrade, not a new console. The scorpio may have had a bit of similar pr, the power difference cannot be overlooked.

the xbox original and the x360 already had shared memory. But just like the name, it doesn't matter that much. What matters is 5 times the tflops (and there will be an increase in ram to cater the higher resolution textures)

@EG101: Dude, PS4 and X1 GPUs were already 10 times faster than last gen ones, lets not forget 16x more RAM available, etc...

PS4 and X1 (without kinect) were powerful enough and very balanced consoles. Easily one generation ahead PS3 and 360, as many games already prove.

Not care about graphics as long as gameplay is fun.

Playstation is more reliant on hot graphics than pc now.

Blah blah blah. PS4 Pro is the most powerful console in the world and Lemmings will just have to deal with it. As for "teh Scorpio" literally nobody gives a **** about it except for Lemmings. Devs aren't going to make games exclusively for it and Microsoft has no first party. So all it will get will be PS4 ports for 3X the price. It's just gonna get dominated like how the original oh so powerful Xbox got dominated by PS2. Face it Lemmings, the Xbox brand is a joke and so are you.

@Pray_to_me: nobody except PS fans give a shit about the PS Pro so what is your point?

Agree,

@PAL360:

Disagree about PS4 and XB1 being powerful enough.

Xbox One at 1.32TF's vs Xbox 360 at .260 TF's that's only 5X more powerful after waiting 8 Years. Should have been 3 TF's at $500 especially after an 8 year gen. In 8 years with a multiplier of 1.5 each year there is no reason they couldn't get to 3TF's with 7 years of Development and Phil admitted they had working HW at around 3TF's.

That's why so many games run less than 30FPS and less than 1080P. At 3TF's 1080 60FPS or at least solid 30FPS without all the drops into the 20's could have been the norm. They were definitely underpowered for consoles released in 2013 especially in Xbox One's case. In 2013 1080P TV's were already about to get phased out by 4K TV's and not aiming for a 1080P frame buffer was beyond stupid in MS's case. Hopefully this has taught MS a huge lesson. Don't cheap out on the GPU and aim for a Frame Buffer that is currently being used on TV's (Scorpio aiming for 4K is a good sign). People don't spend thousands of dollars on their TV's so that they can be under utilized.