Meh I'm not much of a graphics whore so they're good enough, but from what I've heard, the Pro vs. regular PS4 difference doesn't seem significant.
Are PS4 Pro level graphics good enough for this gen?
I think regular PS4 games still look great and I have a Pro.
@EG101: 'That's why so many games run less than 30FPS and less than 1080P.'
That's an internet myth. Didn't you notice that half this gen's console library runs at 60fps? Most shooters, racers, sport games, fighting games, multiplayer games, and of course indies do run or aim at 60fps. Last gen it was about CoD, RAGE and just a few other exceptions, and most 30fps games used to dip to mid low 20s. Same dor resolution. Other than a few 900p exceptions, 1080p did become standard.
As for the hardware, i don't think PS4 and X1 are super powerful, but they are easily one generation ahead in terms of results. Games like DOOM, Battlefield 1, SW Battlefront, The Witcher 3, Batman AK, Uncharted 4, FFVX, The Division, Ratchet and Clank, etc make anything on PS3 and 360 looks ridiculously dated!
If you can not see a generation jump from last to current gen, you should google diminishing returns, man!
PS4 and Xbone graphics are fantastic by todays standards. It's the framerate that's the bigger issue.
Even OG PS4 and Xbone (when it's not 720p) are good enough for this gen.
@quadknight said:
Even OG PS4 and Xbone (when it's not 720p) are good enough for this gen.
sure , 6 months of patching for the witcher 3 on the ps4 and sub 720p scaling in titanfall 2 on the xboxone.
If there was competition with a better system, it would have been a massacre.
The scorpio can't come too soon and If I was a playstation man, I would have gotten the pro the minute it came out.
@commander: I own a gaming PC and a Pro, the OG PS4 and Xbone are more than good enough for this gen for most gamers. Don't mistake the opinion of people here for the real world. Just because people like me stay at the forefront of tech and worry about things like framerates and resolutions doesn't mean that these things are nearly as important for the rest of the gaming population. Most people are completely happy with the graphics of OG PS4 and Xbone. If I couldn't afford better I'd be perfectly fine with those graphics too especially when you consider how far we've come in technology since the Atari days.
@quadknight said:
@commander: I own a gaming PC and a Pro, the OG PS4 and Xbone are more than good enough for this gen for most gamers. Don't mistake the opinion of people here for the real world. Just because people like me stay at the forefront of tech and worry about things like framerates and resolutions doesn't mean that these things are nearly as important for the rest of the gaming population. Most people are completely happy with the graphics of OG PS4 and Xbone. If I couldn't afford better I'd be perfectly fine with those graphics too especially when you consider how far we've come in technology since the Atari days.
Maybe you should talk to youngsters, they know what the scorpio is. and most of them also don't care about gaming pc's.
What's said here about consoles is very much alive in the real world, power matters and the scorpio will make that crystal clear.
@commander said:
@quadknight said:
Even OG PS4 and Xbone (when it's not 720p) are good enough for this gen.
sure , 6 months of patching for the witcher 3 on the ps4 and sub 720p scaling in titanfall 2 on the xboxone.
If there was competition with a better system, it would have been a massacre.
The scorpio can't come too soon and If I was a playstation man, I would have gotten the pro the minute it came out.
I agree and obviously Sony and MS also agree that's why we got the Pro and Scorpio's coming.
Spoken like a true cow.
@commander: That's all nice in theory except the most powerful console has never won a console generation. The console with the most games that people want to play always wins. It's all about the games and has always been. Power is something that excites people on forums but doesn't mean shit if you don't have games to play.
Scorpio won't do shit to change sales in the real world. OG PS4 and Xbone will continue to outsell the hell out of it. The real world is not Digital Foundry and people don't spend their time counting pixels or noticing screen tearing. Those "youngsters" are too busy playing GTAV, COD, and Minecraft on their current consoles. The reason PS4 is wiping the floor with Xbone isn't because of power it's because it's got better games and because MS screwed up the launch of the Xbone with Kinect and DRM bullshit.
Also lol @ the idea about people not caring about gaming PCs. How ignorant and stupid. There will be more gaming PCs sold at the end of the day than Scorpio because the people that truly care about power know that PCs will better serve their needs with its unrestricted nature and limitless power.
@Ghost_Dub said:
It is for me. I don't care how much someone is emotionally attached to pixels and game tech, these games on eighth gen consoles look fantastic.
@Telekill said:
Regular PS4 is good enough for me so...
Low standards and never experienced smooth control over 30 with full visual game assets.
@BassMan said:
The problem with consoles isn't the level of graphics that they can render, but the performance of those graphics. The hardware is too weak to render games at acceptable frame rates while maintaining that graphic fidelity. That is why we end up with games running at a shit 30fps or lower. So, the graphics are good enough, but the performance is not.
The "low standards" argument is weak nerd talk. I'd rather have them with electronics instead of real life failures.
@PAL360 said:
@EG101: 'That's why so many games run less than 30FPS and less than 1080P.'
That's an internet myth. Didn't you notice that half this gen's console library runs at 60fps? Most shooters, racers, sport games, fighting games, multiplayer games, and of course indies do run or aim at 60fps. Last gen it was about CoD, RAGE and just a few other exceptions, and most 30fps games used to dip to mid low 20s. Same dor resolution. Other than a few 900p exceptions, 1080p did become standard.
As for the hardware, i don't think PS4 and X1 are super powerful, but they are easily one generation ahead in terms of results. Games like DOOM, Battlefield 1, SW Battlefront, The Witcher 3, Batman AK, Uncharted 4, FFVX, The Division, Ratchet and Clank, etc make anything on PS3 and 360 looks ridiculously dated!
If you can not see a generation jump from last to current gen, you should google diminishing returns, man!
Yea and Assassin's Creed Unity never happened. While we're at it Witcher3, 800P OO1860, 900P Ryse of under 30fps, 720P TitanFall, 720P TitanFall2, 720P Star Wars, 720P Battle Field, 30FPS on rails Drive Club, ton of games with low Anistropic Filtering, etc, etc. <<<This ^^^ never happened it's just internet myth......................
@quadknight said:
@commander: That's all nice in theory except the most powerful console has never won a console generation. The console with the most games that people want to play always wins. It's all about the games and has always been. Power is something that excites people on forums but doesn't mean shit if you don't have games to play.
Scorpio won't do shit to change sales in the real world. OG PS4 and Xbone will continue to outsell the hell out of it. The real world is not Digital Foundry and people don't spend their time counting pixels or noticing screen tearing. Those "youngsters" are too busy playing GTAV, COD, and Minecraft on their current consoles. The reason PS4 is wiping the floor with Xbone isn't because of power it's because it's got better games and because MS screwed up the launch of the Xbone with Kinect and DRM bullshit.
Also lol @ the idea about people not caring about gaming PCs. How ignorant and stupid. There will be more gaming PCs sold at the end of the day than Scorpio because the people that truly care about power know that PCs will better serve their needs with its unrestricted nature and limitless power.
It's not theory, all the people I know outside this gaming forum know very well the power difference between the scorpio and the ps4 pro. Hence most of them got ps4 at this time and most of them are talking about swtiching to ms again.
The most powerfull console did win console generations, the ps1 is a good example of that. Other consoles that weren't the strongest that won either had momentum from a previous console or were released at a more tactical time.
@commander: You're talking out of you ass again. The PS1 wasn't the most powerful console of its gen, that distinction belonged to the N64. Were you even alive then? ? Jesus Christ, kids these days. Nobody is going to switch to the Scorpio it still has no exclusive games and is anchored by the Xbone, LOL if you actually think people are going to switch. I'm gonna quote and laugh at you next year when the Scorpio still doesn't change the trajectory of this gen. Do you really think the over 50 million and probably 70 million PS4 owners by the time the Scorpio launches are really going to throw away their consoles and buy a Scorpio next year? You are a totally delusional lem. You and your minuscule circle of friends do not represent the whole gaming population of millions of gamers. I don't give a crap about what you or them say because it's entirely anecdotal evidence. Reality is that most gamers will continue to game on OG PS4 and Xbone for the majority of the gen whether you admit it or not.
@quadknight said:
@commander: You're talking out of you ass again. The PS1 wasn't the most powerful console of its gen, that distinction belonged to the N64. Were you even alive then? ? Jesus Christ, kids these days. Nobody is going to switch to the Scorpio it still has no exclusive games and is anchored by the Xbone, LOL if you actually think people are going to switch. I'm gonna quote and laugh at you next year when the Scorpio still doesn't change the trajectory of this gen. Do you really think the over 50 million and probably 70 million PS4 owners by the time the Scorpio launches are really going to throw away their consoles and buy a Scorpio next year? You are a totally delusional lem. You and your minuscule circle of friends do not represent the whole gaming population of millions of gamers. I don't give a crap about what you or them say because it's entirely anecdotal evidence. Reality is that most gamers will continue to game on OG PS4 and Xbone for the majority of the gen whether you admit it or not.
I was very much alive when the n64 released, I even had an atari 2600 in the eigthies and unlike you I know what I'm talking about. The n64 wasn't the strongest system, it was handicapped by its data carrier. Games like final fantasy were not released on the n64 because they could not fit a cartridge.
Power has always been a major factor throughout the console wars and today that hasn't been changed. The sales of the ps4 won't matter for the scorpio, it's from another generation. The x360 sales didn't matter this gen either.
I'm not saying people are going to buy the scorpio at release, but your cow dreams will be shattered quite soon, or it is of course that sony releases a ps5
@PAL360: Huh what? Most shooters target 60fps but fall short of it by a good bit. DOOM, BF1 are the most recent examples. There really aren't that many fighting games out there. So really it's probably closer to a quarter running at 60fps than half. Forza Horizon 3 and Drive Club run at 30fps too.
Don't know. How much better does a game look on a PS4 Pro compared to a regular PS4?
@commander said:
@quadknight said:
@commander: You're talking out of you ass again. The PS1 wasn't the most powerful console of its gen, that distinction belonged to the N64. Were you even alive then? ? Jesus Christ, kids these days. Nobody is going to switch to the Scorpio it still has no exclusive games and is anchored by the Xbone, LOL if you actually think people are going to switch. I'm gonna quote and laugh at you next year when the Scorpio still doesn't change the trajectory of this gen. Do you really think the over 50 million and probably 70 million PS4 owners by the time the Scorpio launches are really going to throw away their consoles and buy a Scorpio next year? You are a totally delusional lem. You and your minuscule circle of friends do not represent the whole gaming population of millions of gamers. I don't give a crap about what you or them say because it's entirely anecdotal evidence. Reality is that most gamers will continue to game on OG PS4 and Xbone for the majority of the gen whether you admit it or not.
I was very much alive when the n64 released, I even had an atari 2600 in the eigthies and unlike you I know what I'm talking about. The n64 wasn't the strongest system, it was handicapped by its data carrier. Games like final fantasy were not released on the n64 because they could not fit a cartridge.
Power has always been a major factor throughout the console wars and today that hasn't been changed. The sales of the ps4 won't matter for the scorpio, it's from another generation. The x360 sales didn't matter this gen either.
I'm not saying people are going to buy the scorpio at release, but your cow dreams will be shattered quite soon, or it is of course that sony releases a ps5
This is pure bollocks. Being handicapped by the fact it used cartridges still doesn't make it weaker than PS1. It was still stronger than the PS1, get your facts straight. The reason the N64 lost was because cartridges were more expensive to produce than CDs, not because of power. Cartridges cost more to produce. It only cost a few cents for game manufacturers to put those games on discs as opposed to putting them on cartridges which was way more expensive. 3rd party companies didn't feel it was worthwhile to pay more money to release their games on N64. In the end, those big third party companies like EA, Square Enix, etc. released their games on PS1 because it was cheaper to do so. Gamers followed the third party companies and bought the console with the big AAA 3rd party games they wanted to play. The N64 was still the most powerful console of the gen it came out.
Power means absolutely nothing when it comes to console sales. In the end, it always boils down to the games that people want to play and the price of the console. Also you're completely delusional if you really think the PS4 and Scorpio are a gen apart, LMAO! What a crock of shit lol. The Scorpio is nothing but a souped up Xbone that will still share the same library as the regular Xbone and won't get its own exclusive games. It is still going to be tied down to this gen and the Xbone platform. The PS4 will continue to destroy the Scorpio in sales even after it releases next year.
@quadknight said:
@commander said:
@quadknight said:
@commander: You're talking out of you ass again. The PS1 wasn't the most powerful console of its gen, that distinction belonged to the N64. Were you even alive then? ? Jesus Christ, kids these days. Nobody is going to switch to the Scorpio it still has no exclusive games and is anchored by the Xbone, LOL if you actually think people are going to switch. I'm gonna quote and laugh at you next year when the Scorpio still doesn't change the trajectory of this gen. Do you really think the over 50 million and probably 70 million PS4 owners by the time the Scorpio launches are really going to throw away their consoles and buy a Scorpio next year? You are a totally delusional lem. You and your minuscule circle of friends do not represent the whole gaming population of millions of gamers. I don't give a crap about what you or them say because it's entirely anecdotal evidence. Reality is that most gamers will continue to game on OG PS4 and Xbone for the majority of the gen whether you admit it or not.
I was very much alive when the n64 released, I even had an atari 2600 in the eigthies and unlike you I know what I'm talking about. The n64 wasn't the strongest system, it was handicapped by its data carrier. Games like final fantasy were not released on the n64 because they could not fit a cartridge.
Power has always been a major factor throughout the console wars and today that hasn't been changed. The sales of the ps4 won't matter for the scorpio, it's from another generation. The x360 sales didn't matter this gen either.
I'm not saying people are going to buy the scorpio at release, but your cow dreams will be shattered quite soon, or it is of course that sony releases a ps5
This is pure bollocks. Being handicapped by the fact it used cartridges still doesn't make it weaker than PS1. It was still stronger than the PS1, get your facts straight. The reason the N64 lost was because cartridges were more expensive to produce than CDs, not because of power. Cartridges cost more to produce. It only cost a few cents for game manufacturers to put those games on discs as opposed to putting them on cartridges which was way more expensive. 3rd party companies didn't feel it was worthwhile to pay more money to release their games on N64. In the end, those big third party companies like EA, Square Enix, etc. released their games on PS1 because it was cheaper to do so. Gamers followed the third party companies and bought the console with the big AAA 3rd party games they wanted to play. The N64 was still the most powerful console of the gen it came out.
Power means absolutely nothing when it comes to console sales. In the end, it always boils down to the games that people want to play and the price of the console. Also you're completely delusional if you really think the PS4 and Scorpio are a gen apart, LMAO! What a crock of shit lol. The Scorpio is nothing but a souped up Xbone that will still share the same library as the regular Xbone and won't get its own exclusive games. It is still going to be tied down to this gen and the Xbone platform. The PS4 will continue to destroy the Scorpio in sales even after it releases next year.
Yeah sure it's bollocks just because you don't understand how this works. If you don't have enough storage capacity to hold the textures, it doesn't matter how much stronger your gpu and cpu is.
The n64 didn't lose because of the higher cost of cartridges, they lost because their platform couldn't run certain games, because the cartrigdes didn't have enough storage capacity. Of course the higher manufacturing cost of the cartridges didn't help them but it wasn't the main reason.
Square enix didn't release games on the n64 because it needed the capacity of the cd to hold their data,. if those cartridges could hold a lot more data, so major devs could release the same titles on a cartridges they would have done so. What they didn't want , was to nerf the game so it could run on the n64, the changes were too big for that. Final fantasy was three discs, that's 2 gigs of data, a cartridge could only hold 64mb. It was a factor however for smaller third party devs but in the end it was the storage capacity that made nintendo lose that gen.
If power didn't matter, the whole graphics card industry would cease to exist. The scorpio will be more than 4 times the power of the ps4. It's more than a souped up xboxone and it will start a new generation. Dream on if you think people will keep on buying a crappy ps4 when they can have something like the scorpio, that is of course if the scorpio's price isn't too steep.
@commander said:
@quadknight said:
@commander said:
@quadknight said:
@commander: You're talking out of you ass again. The PS1 wasn't the most powerful console of its gen, that distinction belonged to the N64. Were you even alive then? ? Jesus Christ, kids these days. Nobody is going to switch to the Scorpio it still has no exclusive games and is anchored by the Xbone, LOL if you actually think people are going to switch. I'm gonna quote and laugh at you next year when the Scorpio still doesn't change the trajectory of this gen. Do you really think the over 50 million and probably 70 million PS4 owners by the time the Scorpio launches are really going to throw away their consoles and buy a Scorpio next year? You are a totally delusional lem. You and your minuscule circle of friends do not represent the whole gaming population of millions of gamers. I don't give a crap about what you or them say because it's entirely anecdotal evidence. Reality is that most gamers will continue to game on OG PS4 and Xbone for the majority of the gen whether you admit it or not.
I was very much alive when the n64 released, I even had an atari 2600 in the eigthies and unlike you I know what I'm talking about. The n64 wasn't the strongest system, it was handicapped by its data carrier. Games like final fantasy were not released on the n64 because they could not fit a cartridge.
Power has always been a major factor throughout the console wars and today that hasn't been changed. The sales of the ps4 won't matter for the scorpio, it's from another generation. The x360 sales didn't matter this gen either.
I'm not saying people are going to buy the scorpio at release, but your cow dreams will be shattered quite soon, or it is of course that sony releases a ps5
This is pure bollocks. Being handicapped by the fact it used cartridges still doesn't make it weaker than PS1. It was still stronger than the PS1, get your facts straight. The reason the N64 lost was because cartridges were more expensive to produce than CDs, not because of power. Cartridges cost more to produce. It only cost a few cents for game manufacturers to put those games on discs as opposed to putting them on cartridges which was way more expensive. 3rd party companies didn't feel it was worthwhile to pay more money to release their games on N64. In the end, those big third party companies like EA, Square Enix, etc. released their games on PS1 because it was cheaper to do so. Gamers followed the third party companies and bought the console with the big AAA 3rd party games they wanted to play. The N64 was still the most powerful console of the gen it came out.
Power means absolutely nothing when it comes to console sales. In the end, it always boils down to the games that people want to play and the price of the console. Also you're completely delusional if you really think the PS4 and Scorpio are a gen apart, LMAO! What a crock of shit lol. The Scorpio is nothing but a souped up Xbone that will still share the same library as the regular Xbone and won't get its own exclusive games. It is still going to be tied down to this gen and the Xbone platform. The PS4 will continue to destroy the Scorpio in sales even after it releases next year.
Yeah sure it's bollocks just because you don't understand how this works. If you don't have enough storage capacity to hold the textures, it doesn't matter how much stronger your gpu and cpu is.
The n64 didn't lose because of the higher cost of cartridges, they lost because their platform couldn't run certain games, because the cartrigdes didn't have enough storage capacity. Of course the higher manufacturing cost of the cartridges didn't help them but it wasn't the main reason.
Square enix didn't release games on the n64 because it needed the capacity of the cd to hold their data,. if those cartridges could hold a lot more data, so major devs could release the same titles on a cartridges they would have done so. What they didn't want , was to nerf the game so it could run on the n64, the changes were too big for that. Final fantasy was three discs, that's 2 gigs of data, a cartridge could only hold 64mb. It was a factor however for smaller third party devs but in the end it was the storage capacity that made nintendo lose that gen.
If power didn't matter, the whole graphics card industry would cease to exist. The scorpio will be more than 4 times the power of the ps4. It's more than a souped up xboxone and it will start a new generation. Dream on if you think people will keep on buying a crappy ps4 when they can have something like the scorpio, that is of course if the scorpio's price isn't too steep.
LMAO, what textures? PS1 and N64 era textures took so little space. You really have no idea what you're talking about.
You do realize there was compression right? Games like Perfect Dark, Mario 64, Star fox, etc. looked better than PS1 games and they still fit into cartridges thanks to compression. Square Enix was needed the capacity to store extremely long FMV sequences but they were the exception back in those days. The reality is that most games didn't need long high quality FMV movies like FF games did. The main reason Nintendo lost wasn't power it was simple economics. Compression took extra time and money to do, and in the end devs felt it wasn't worth the effort. N64 was still a more powerful machine than the PS1, destroying your argument that power had anything to do with PS1's success.
Scorpio is still a souped up Xbone regardless of what you say. It's still woefully underpowered next to the latest high end PCs. Until they can provide greater than GTX 1070-1080 level of performance it's not remotely next gen power wise. By the way learn2math...
1.84 X 4 =/= 6TF
The Xbone isn't 4 times more powerful than PS4 it's approximately 3 times as fast as the PS4. Get your facts straight.
Graphics are fine, just wish performance was bigger prio, but sadly that doesn't sell. I take 60fps 1440p over 30fps 4K on most games any day
@EG101 said:
@PAL360 said:
@EG101: 'That's why so many games run less than 30FPS and less than 1080P.'
That's an internet myth. Didn't you notice that half this gen's console library runs at 60fps? Most shooters, racers, sport games, fighting games, multiplayer games, and of course indies do run or aim at 60fps. Last gen it was about CoD, RAGE and just a few other exceptions, and most 30fps games used to dip to mid low 20s. Same dor resolution. Other than a few 900p exceptions, 1080p did become standard.
As for the hardware, i don't think PS4 and X1 are super powerful, but they are easily one generation ahead in terms of results. Games like DOOM, Battlefield 1, SW Battlefront, The Witcher 3, Batman AK, Uncharted 4, FFVX, The Division, Ratchet and Clank, etc make anything on PS3 and 360 looks ridiculously dated!
If you can not see a generation jump from last to current gen, you should google diminishing returns, man!
Yea and Assassin's Creed Unity never happened. While we're at it Witcher3, 800P OO1860, 900P Ryse of under 30fps, 720P TitanFall, 720P TitanFall2, 720P Star Wars, 720P Battle Field, 30FPS on rails Drive Club, ton of games with low Anistropic Filtering, etc, etc. <<<This ^^^ never happened it's just internet myth......................
Two points:
1. I can only speak for the PS4 (only console i own this gen), where most games do run at native 1080p and many at 60fps
2. Nice try naming 6 or 7 games from a library of almost 1 thousand.
@quadknight said:
@commander said:
@quadknight said:
This is pure bollocks. Being handicapped by the fact it used cartridges still doesn't make it weaker than PS1. It was still stronger than the PS1, get your facts straight. The reason the N64 lost was because cartridges were more expensive to produce than CDs, not because of power. Cartridges cost more to produce. It only cost a few cents for game manufacturers to put those games on discs as opposed to putting them on cartridges which was way more expensive. 3rd party companies didn't feel it was worthwhile to pay more money to release their games on N64. In the end, those big third party companies like EA, Square Enix, etc. released their games on PS1 because it was cheaper to do so. Gamers followed the third party companies and bought the console with the big AAA 3rd party games they wanted to play. The N64 was still the most powerful console of the gen it came out.
Power means absolutely nothing when it comes to console sales. In the end, it always boils down to the games that people want to play and the price of the console. Also you're completely delusional if you really think the PS4 and Scorpio are a gen apart, LMAO! What a crock of shit lol. The Scorpio is nothing but a souped up Xbone that will still share the same library as the regular Xbone and won't get its own exclusive games. It is still going to be tied down to this gen and the Xbone platform. The PS4 will continue to destroy the Scorpio in sales even after it releases next year.
Yeah sure it's bollocks just because you don't understand how this works. If you don't have enough storage capacity to hold the textures, it doesn't matter how much stronger your gpu and cpu is.
The n64 didn't lose because of the higher cost of cartridges, they lost because their platform couldn't run certain games, because the cartrigdes didn't have enough storage capacity. Of course the higher manufacturing cost of the cartridges didn't help them but it wasn't the main reason.
Square enix didn't release games on the n64 because it needed the capacity of the cd to hold their data,. if those cartridges could hold a lot more data, so major devs could release the same titles on a cartridges they would have done so. What they didn't want , was to nerf the game so it could run on the n64, the changes were too big for that. Final fantasy was three discs, that's 2 gigs of data, a cartridge could only hold 64mb. It was a factor however for smaller third party devs but in the end it was the storage capacity that made nintendo lose that gen.
If power didn't matter, the whole graphics card industry would cease to exist. The scorpio will be more than 4 times the power of the ps4. It's more than a souped up xboxone and it will start a new generation. Dream on if you think people will keep on buying a crappy ps4 when they can have something like the scorpio, that is of course if the scorpio's price isn't too steep.
LMAO, what textures? PS1 and N64 era textures took so little space. You really have no idea what you're talking about.
You do realize there was compression right? Games like Perfect Dark, Mario 64, Star fox, etc. looked better than PS1 games and they still fit into cartridges thanks to compression. Square Enix was needed the capacity to store extremely long FMV sequences but they were the exception back in those days. The reality is that most games didn't need long high quality FMV movies like FF games did. The main reason Nintendo lost wasn't power it was simple economics. Compression took extra time and money to do, and in the end devs felt it wasn't worth the effort. N64 was still a more powerful machine than the PS1, destroying your argument that power had anything to do with PS1's success.
Scorpio is still a souped up Xbone regardless of what you say. It's still woefully underpowered next to the latest high end PCs. Until they can provide greater than GTX 1070-1080 level of performance it's not remotely next gen power wise. By the way learn2math...
1.84 X 4 =/= 6TF
The Xbone isn't 4 times more powerful than PS4 it's approximately 3 times as fast as the PS4. Get your facts straight.
lol this wasn't the sega cd era. This was the beginning of the 3d era and storage was used for a lot more than fmv's. That 64 mb cartridge on the n64 even with the added time for compression had nerfed backgrounds, lower texture quality, lower quality music. Not to mention if devs spend so much time optimizing the game for the playstation it would have increased quality too.
Overall the playstation was seen as the better system and it's also the reason why it was so successfull.
How can the scorpio be a souped up xboxone if it has 5 times the power, that's not an upgrade, that's another system and it does compete with high end pc's. The gtx 1070 is 6.45 tflops performance. It may not be top end like the gtx 1080 but that's 600$ card, Ms wants to keep the system affordable too.
A console is more than the gpu's tflops as well, with the added performance of the cpu it will certainly be more than 4 times as strong as the ps4, especially because the cpu on the ps4 is a bottleneck.
This thread sure is entertaining. It's like reading the comment section of a Yahoo political article. Most of you have no idea what you're talking about. Basic concepts like what defines a generation continues to elude some folks. And this place is pure comedy in regards to tech talk. Just stop...
1 The Xbox Scorpio is an extension of the Xbox One family until Microsoft comes out and says otherwise. That means there is not a new generation starting with its release.
2 The PS4 Pro does offer enhancements to folks using 1080p TVs. Just read the patch notes to any of the supported titles for details.
3 Games running worse on the PS4 Pro is the fault of the developers and not the hardware. Sure there is a CPU and RAM bottleneck, but there is no technical reason for games to not run as well or better at the same resolution with added graphical effects. Or even at a supersampled resolution with comparable settings.
@Juub1990 said:
@PAL360: Huh what? Most shooters target 60fps but fall short of it by a good bit. DOOM, BF1 are the most recent examples. There really aren't that many fighting games out there. So really it's probably closer to a quarter running at 60fps than half. Forza Horizon 3 and Drive Club run at 30fps too.
Of course there are exceptions (The Division, Destiny, etc), but most current gen shooters do run at pretty stable 60fps. I'm currently playing DOOM and i'm pretty sure it runs always above 55fps, same for SW Battlefront, CoD games, Overwatch, Killing Floor 2, Titanfall 2, etc. Battlefield 1 does have huge dips in 64 player modes, but it's one of the most demanding games games you will find.
As for racers, you named 2 games out of dozens available. How about Forza 5, 6, Project Cars, Dirt Rally, Trackmania, Asseto Corsa, F1 2016, etc?
@Juub1990 said:
@PAL360: Project Cars runs nowhere near 60fps.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tb4JIBaGBWU
Look up from rate analysis. Most games that target 60fps are not even close to it. Games running at a steady 60fps aren't all that common and that includes shooter.
Project Cars is the one with worse performance out from those, yes, but i think you missed the point of our conversation.
People love to say that this generation games perform terribly, but while far from perfect, we have never seen a generation with this much focus on performance.
Many games run at 60fps and many other ones aim at that framerate but stay between 40s and 50s. In previous gens games used to run at mid 20s and no one complained about it. The all mighty Shadow of the Colossus runs at 20fps, Far Cry 3, a game everyone loved last gen, runs at an average of 25fps with tearing everywhere, etc...
I don't think people realise how good is the gaming era we are living in.
@ermacness: u guys where doing the same thing last gen with the ps3 instead blaming limitation on developers instead of shot hardware in general so sorry it is not going.to fly
@ermacness:
Ps3 was not complicated just shit if the ps3 was more powerful then 360 at the time how come 90% of multiplats looked better on 360 now this gen I will admit the ps4 is more powerful but not by much
@PAL360 said:
@Juub1990 said:
In previous gens games used to run at mid 20s and no one complained about it. Wrong, not sure where you were hiding at, but plenty of people complained when games felt choppy.
@PAL360 said:
@04dcarraher: Honestly i don't remember this level of hate and negativism over performance! Which is stupid since, again, we have never had as much 60fps (or close) console games as we have now.
Well the latest talks have been all about resolution and performance. Don't know what happened but this gen has seen a lot of discussions about 1080p vs 900p 30fps vs 60fps. Locked rame rate vs unlocked frame rate etc.
The level of graphical detail is as good as it gets for now. The ps4 pro games only getting 30fps is the problem for me and why i stick with my pc.
@Commiesdie:
Because the 360 was EASIER to code for!!!! Everyone knew this last gen, even the lems. An example of a console being more powerful was shown in the gen 7 era (ps2 vs xbox) and is shown this gen (ps4 vs x1) where the most powerful console had BOTH superior multiplats and exclusives visually and technically. The 360 didn't have that. While it definitely had the multiplat edge, it sure didn't have the exclusive edge to make claim that the 360 was more powerful last gen, and while the 360 did have most of the superior multiplats, there were some (quite a few actually) that shined on the ps3, in fact the ps3 had more superior multiplats against the 360 then ps2 had against the Xbox or the x1 currently have against the ps4.
@Telekill said:
@PinchySkree: I'm not a graphics whore so...
I'm also looking forward to Double Dragon IV that will basically have NES-Genesis graphics on PS4. And I'll have fun with it.
Fun... you know... the entire reason to game?...
Except I specifically mentioned control because wading through 15-30 object pop in cludge is complete misery by comparison.
@ermacness said:
@Commiesdie:
Because the 360 was EASIER to code for!!!! Everyone knew this last gen, even the lems. An example of a console being more powerful was shown in the gen 7 era (ps2 vs xbox) and is shown this gen (ps4 vs x1) where the most powerful console had BOTH superior multiplats and exclusives visually and technically. The 360 didn't have that. While it definitely had the multiplat edge, it sure didn't have the exclusive edge to make claim that the 360 was more powerful last gen, and while the 360 did have most of the superior multiplats, there were some (quite a few actually) that shined on the ps3, in fact the ps3 had more superior multiplats against the 360 then ps2 had against e athe Xvbox or the x1 currently have against the ps4.
its not bcuz it is easy to code for it's simply 360 has a better gpu and didn't do some backass bs like excuses and don't use exclusive bs it doesn't matter if ps3 exclusives did look better which they don't it's u know exclusive there is no way of knowing of the 360 could handle it bcuz sony won't let it happen obviously
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