Are the wii's graphics better then the original xbox's?

[QUOTE="BlaveBrave"][QUOTE="stephant_6"][QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="Ninten007"]

Even the Wii has a hard time completing with the PS2. So obviously not.

air_wolf_cubed

this thread is full of fanboys. take a look at the article on Conduit. it says that the Wii is way more powerful than what has been seen so they are trying to make a game that looks like a 360 game. Don't look at the screenshots theyre just a very early build of the game

The Conduit has the most jaggies and low-res textures I've seen in a next-gen FPS.

Isn't those screens alpha? I think he was talking about the tech demo.

I read it :(

This is a silly argument.

To the Wii haters:

-The Wii is technically more powerful than the Xbox. Not by much, but it undeniably is. If priority was given to the graphics, you'd see slightly better-looking Wii games.

-Measuring visual capability is not to be measured in results, it is the specs that count.

To the Wii apologists:

-No, you are not going to get a game that looks like a 360 game. Don't hold your breath. The Conduit looks nothing like a 360 game. Its textures are flat, it is full of jaggies, etc. At this stage, it's not impressive and is somewhat ugly.

-SMG/Metroid Prime 3/SMBB could be done on the Xbox.

-The bar won't be set that much higher than SMG. It is silly to think that the graphical performance will all of a sudden jump to that of the 360. The improvements will be incremental and marginal.

-A system being marginally more powerful than the Xbox at this stage of the game is nothing to be proud of. For all practical purposes, the Wii is visually last gen.

This is a silly argument.

To the Wii haters:

-The Wii is technically more powerful than the Xbox. Not by much, but it undeniably is. If priority was given to the graphics, you'd see slightly better-looking Wii games.

-Measuring visual capability is not to be measured in results, it is the specs that count.

To the Wii apologists:

-No, you are not going to get a game that looks like a 360 game. Don't hold your breath. The Conduit looks nothing like a 360 game. Its textures are flat, it is full of jaggies, etc. At this stage, it's not impressive and is somewhat ugly.

-SMG/Metroid Prime 3/SMBB could be done on the Xbox.

-The bar won't be set that much higher than SMG. It is silly to think that the graphical performance will all of a sudden jump to that of the 360. The improvements will be incremental and marginal.

-A system being marginally more powerful than the Xbox at this stage of the game is nothing to be proud of. For all practical purposes, the Wii is visually last gen.

Tragic_Kingdom7

QFT...

And the way I look at it, MP3 and SMG look really cool and more importantly, play really smooth. I don't need an expensive TV, it looks great on my old CRT. I'll be getting a PS3 someday, so I can get my great graphics then.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

This is a silly argument.

To the Wii haters:

-The Wii is technically more powerful than the Xbox. Not by much, but it undeniably is. If priority was given to the graphics, you'd see slightly better-looking Wii games.

-Measuring visual capability is not to be measured in results, it is the specs that count.

To the Wii apologists:

-No, you are not going to get a game that looks like a 360 game. Don't hold your breath. The Conduit looks nothing like a 360 game. Its textures are flat, it is full of jaggies, etc. At this stage, it's not impressive and is somewhat ugly.

-SMG/Metroid Prime 3/SMBB could be done on the Xbox.

-The bar won't be set that much higher than SMG. It is silly to think that the graphical performance will all of a sudden jump to that of the 360. The improvements will be incremental and marginal.

-A system being marginally more powerful than the Xbox at this stage of the game is nothing to be proud of. For all practical purposes, the Wii is visually last gen.

Corvidae

QFT...

And the way I look at it, MP3 and SMG look really cool and more importantly, play really smooth. I don't need an expensive TV, it looks great on my old CRT. I'll be getting a PS3 someday, so I can get my great graphics then.

I know those two games are really cool looking (especially SMG), I'm just laying rest to the silly notion that the Wii is producing stuff that wasn't possible last gen and that Wii is going to get 360/PS3 graphics.

First of all, I always gotta laugh at people who compare screenshots when comparing the graphics of a game. Screenshots paint such a small picture, it's not even funny.

Second of all, there are several Gamecube games that look as good as any Xbox game (Metroid Prime 2). Metroid Prime 3 and Super Mario Galaxy look SIGNIFICANTLY better than any Xbox game live, in person. This debate is annoying. 90% of the people who think the Xbox looks better than the Wii have never played the Wii, or only played a Wii at some silly kiosk where they forgot to attach component cables. You're all delusional.

mdisen

[QUOTE="mdisen"]

First of all, I always gotta laugh at people who compare screenshots when comparing the graphics of a game. Screenshots paint such a small picture, it's not even funny.

Second of all, there are several Gamecube games that look as good as any Xbox game (Metroid Prime 2). Metroid Prime 3 and Super Mario Galaxy look SIGNIFICANTLY better than any Xbox game live, in person. This debate is annoying. 90% of the people who think the Xbox looks better than the Wii have never played the Wii, or only played a Wii at some silly kiosk where they forgot to attach component cables. You're all delusional.

Silenthps

What an overstatement.

I know those two games are really cool looking (especially SMG), I'm just laying rest to the silly notion that the Wii is producing stuff that wasn't possible last gen and that Wii is going to get 360/PS3 graphics.

Tragic_Kingdom7

I know, and I agree.

Wii graphics are not as complex as the PS3 or 360, but we're at the point now where "simple" can still look damn good. When I compare a PS1 or N64 games to the PS2 or GCN, they look pretty ugly and blocky. But when I look at an SNES game, it just looks simple. Nothing wrong with that. That's because they were 2D and the system handled it well. I think 3D games started to really come into their own with the DC and beyond. Not the say there wasn't anything good locking on the 64 or PS...

At the end of the day, nothing on the Wii will not even come close to a 360 game, but they can still look good with the tech available.

[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="mdisen"]

First of all, I always gotta laugh at people who compare screenshots when comparing the graphics of a game. Screenshots paint such a small picture, it's not even funny.

Second of all, there are several Gamecube games that look as good as any Xbox game (Metroid Prime 2). Metroid Prime 3 and Super Mario Galaxy look SIGNIFICANTLY better than any Xbox game live, in person. This debate is annoying. 90% of the people who think the Xbox looks better than the Wii have never played the Wii, or only played a Wii at some silly kiosk where they forgot to attach component cables. You're all delusional.

Tragic_Kingdom7

What an overstatement.

I won't even get into this argument, its been brought up to many times. And the people who are blind to the fact that the Wii is more powerful than the Xbox will continue to be blind to it. To make it short:

SMG>Conker- Why? Greater detail while running at 60fps. Conker runs at 30fps. If Nintendo cut SMG fps in half then there would of been much much greater detail.

MP3> Doom 3 and Riddick. What does Doom3 and Riddick have in common? A corridor based FPS that where you never see out door environments, never see more than a few enemies at once and runs at a unstable 30fps. The textures are muddy only giving the illusion that they are detailed by smacking bump map lighting over them. MP3 on the other hand runs at a lush 60fps with barely in slow down and it does this while having much more detailed textures and in a non corridor environment. Bump mapping does NOT automatically make a game look good.

Splinter Cell- How are you saying that Wii doesn't have a game that looks better than SC CT: when it has SC: double agent. Which looks better than CT? This applies for all the last gen systems. It was even silly to bring SC into the subject again. Unless you saying double agents graphics are a step backwards than CT on the last gen systems.

No wii game will ever look as good as SC Chaoes Theory.terdoo

No post will ever be as ignorant as this one.

[QUOTE="Ninten007"]

Even the Wii has a hard time completing with the PS2. So obviously not.

air_wolf_cubed

this thread is full of fanboys. take a look at the article on Conduit. it says that the Wii is way more powerful than what has been seen so they are trying to make a game that looks like a 360 game. Don't look at the screenshots theyre just a very early build of the game

The Conduit will look like trash. PS2/GC have comparable FPS. Cold Winter, Nightfire, Timesplitters 2 and 3, and many more I am not going to list. It wont look like a 360 game, dont even go there.

This is a silly argument.

To the Wii haters:

-The Wii is technically more powerful than the Xbox. Not by much, but it undeniably is. If priority was given to the graphics, you'd see slightly better-looking Wii games.

-Measuring visual capability is not to be measured in results, it is the specs that count.

To the Wii apologists:

-No, you are not going to get a game that looks like a 360 game. Don't hold your breath. The Conduit looks nothing like a 360 game. Its textures are flat, it is full of jaggies, etc. At this stage, it's not impressive and is somewhat ugly.

-SMG/Metroid Prime 3/SMBB could be done on the Xbox.

-The bar won't be set that much higher than SMG. It is silly to think that the graphical performance will all of a sudden jump to that of the 360. The improvements will be incremental and marginal.

-A system being marginally more powerful than the Xbox at this stage of the game is nothing to be proud of. For all practical purposes, the Wii is visually last gen.

Tragic_Kingdom7

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

This is a silly argument.

To the Wii haters:

-The Wii is technically more powerful than the Xbox. Not by much, but it undeniably is. If priority was given to the graphics, you'd see slightly better-looking Wii games.

-Measuring visual capability is not to be measured in results, it is the specs that count.

To the Wii apologists:

-No, you are not going to get a game that looks like a 360 game. Don't hold your breath. The Conduit looks nothing like a 360 game. Its textures are flat, it is full of jaggies, etc. At this stage, it's not impressive and is somewhat ugly.

-SMG/Metroid Prime 3/SMBB could be done on the Xbox.

-The bar won't be set that much higher than SMG. It is silly to think that the graphical performance will all of a sudden jump to that of the 360. The improvements will be incremental and marginal.

-A system being marginally more powerful than the Xbox at this stage of the game is nothing to be proud of. For all practical purposes, the Wii is visually last gen.

karasill

The xbox came out in 2001.. technology has shrunk since then.. just look at the new slim PS2s (they even have the power supply inside them now). Part of the xboxs size was that it used a full size harddrive to save money, the Wii uses flash memory.

If the Wii is so much more powerful why is Nintendo busy making armless and legless characters for the Wii? Why does Mario Kart Wii looks exactly like Double Dash? Why is Brawl hardly an upgrade from Melee? Why is it getting PS2 ports, Why does Star Wars Force Unleashed look like last-gen star wars games? Why has Nintendo did anything groundbreaking? Prime 3 looks like the first 2, etc.

It is because the Wii hardware is not an advancement compared to last-gen. Clearly obvious.

It the Wii was as powerful as you say, then obviously Nintendo would do something to push the graphics like they pushed the graphics on ther previous systems.

The Wii is nothing but a repackaged Gamecube, there will never ever be a game on the Wii that makes you say Wow! It surprassed that last-gen graphics. Wont happen.

For the freaking last time, if the Wii was as powerful as you say, Nintendo would obviously do something about it.

Last, developers are already experienced on last-gen hardware and know how to peak its graphics right? They worked on last-gen hardware for years and still do (PS2) If they have all this experience, why no Wii game looks head and shoulders above last-gen systems?

Bu bu bu teh devs not expirance teh Wii dev kit yet...............? Whatever.

[QUOTE="karasill"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

This is a silly argument.

To the Wii haters:

-The Wii is technically more powerful than the Xbox. Not by much, but it undeniably is. If priority was given to the graphics, you'd see slightly better-looking Wii games.

-Measuring visual capability is not to be measured in results, it is the specs that count.

To the Wii apologists:

-No, you are not going to get a game that looks like a 360 game. Don't hold your breath. The Conduit looks nothing like a 360 game. Its textures are flat, it is full of jaggies, etc. At this stage, it's not impressive and is somewhat ugly.

-SMG/Metroid Prime 3/SMBB could be done on the Xbox.

-The bar won't be set that much higher than SMG. It is silly to think that the graphical performance will all of a sudden jump to that of the 360. The improvements will be incremental and marginal.

-A system being marginally more powerful than the Xbox at this stage of the game is nothing to be proud of. For all practical purposes, the Wii is visually last gen.

user_nat

The xbox came out in 2001.. technology has shrunk since then.. just look at the new slim PS2s (they even have the power supply inside them now). Part of the xboxs size was that it used a full size harddrive to save money, the Wii uses flash memory.

If the Wii is so much more powerful why is Nintendo busy making armless and legless characters for the Wii? Why does Mario Kart Wii looks exactly like Double Dash? Why is Brawl hardly an upgrade from Melee? Why is it getting PS2 ports, Why does Star Wars Force Unleashed look like last-gen star wars games? Why has Nintendo did anything groundbreaking? Prime 3 looks like the first 2, etc.

It is because the Wii hardware is not an advancement compared to last-gen. Clearly obvious.

It the Wii was as powerful as you say, then obviously Nintendo would do something to push the graphics like they pushed the graphics on ther previous systems.

The Wii is nothing but a repackaged Gamecube, there will never ever be a game on the Wii that makes you say Wow! It surprassed that last-gen graphics. Wont happen.

For the freaking last time, if the Wii was as powerful as you say, Nintendo would obviously do something about it.

Last, developers are already experienced on last-gen hardware and know how to peak its graphics right? They worked on last-gen hardware for years and still do (PS2) If they have all this experience, why no Wii game looks head and shoulders above last-gen systems?

Bu bu bu teh devs not expirance teh Wii dev kit yet...............? Whatever.

Ninten007

SMG looks good enough to be mistaken for a mediocre looking 360 game. I've had friends that couldn't believe that SMG was running on the Wii. Even some reviewers have said that at times it looks like a 360 game. I'm not saying the Wii can compete with the 360 or PS3, but it is capable of producing better graphics then the Xbox.

grand turismo 4> any wii game ive playedVendettaRed07

If you are talking technically, I believe you're lying. Don't know the games you have played but unless they were all PS2 ports, I really doubt it. If you're saying realism, that sounds reasonable.

Better than Xbox? No

Most games are Gamecube level :|

It's more powerful than the Xbox.

But few developers have bothered to give it a try.

Better than Xbox? No

Most games are Gamecube level :|

whitetiger3521

SMG:

Conker:

Metroid Prime 3:

Doom:

Its highly debatable.

BubbyJello

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]grand turismo 4> any wii game ive playedDevil-Itachi

If you are talking technically, I believe you're lying. Don't know the games you have played but unless they were all PS2 ports, I really doubt it. If you're saying realism, that sounds reasonable.

yeah it most likey could be done on wii if put in the right hands, ( ive played all the best looking wii games, brawl smg mp3) but really nothing on the wii for me, looks better than that game.

No... SSBB and SMG were the only hope... SPlinter Cell, DOA, and a meriad of others smoke the wii....
colmusterd28

gotta agree with you on this one man

[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="mdisen"]

First of all, I always gotta laugh at people who compare screenshots when comparing the graphics of a game. Screenshots paint such a small picture, it's not even funny.

Second of all, there are several Gamecube games that look as good as any Xbox game (Metroid Prime 2). Metroid Prime 3 and Super Mario Galaxy look SIGNIFICANTLY better than any Xbox game live, in person. This debate is annoying. 90% of the people who think the Xbox looks better than the Wii have never played the Wii, or only played a Wii at some silly kiosk where they forgot to attach component cables. You're all delusional.

Tragic_Kingdom7

What an overstatement.

It's more powerful than the Xbox.

But few developers have bothered to give it a try.

Willy105

Are you serious? The Conduit looks as good or better than any PS3/360 game and rivals Crysis in most regards.

[QUOTE="Devil-Itachi"]

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]grand turismo 4> any wii game ive playedVendettaRed07

If you are talking technically, I believe you're lying. Don't know the games you have played but unless they were all PS2 ports, I really doubt it. If you're saying realism, that sounds reasonable.

yeah it most likey could be done on wii if put in the right hands, ( ive played all the best looking wii games, brawl smg mp3) but really nothing on the wii for me, looks better than that game.

graphics and such tend to improve over a console's lifetime. Devs get used to the hardware and the architecture and then they can do more with it over time. its common sense. also, the xbox's are both similar to PC's. the original xbox had a pentium 3... devs all know how to program for a PC so its easier and faster to get used to the xbox consoles and they tend to peak quicker. I think both the Wii and the PS3 will have much improvement over their lifetimes. the 360 will of course improve as well but i doubt it will be as much as the other 2.Zero5000X

On one hand, it's safe to say the Wii isn't going to top Gears of War. However, the most graphically impressive games on the Wii can look just as good as a low-tier or even mid-tier 360 game. I've saw Turok on the 360 in 720p, and it looks like it's on the same level as Brawl in some shots, and that's saying something.hiphops_savior

no offense, but you just compared an UE3 game to brawl. The Wii will never reach mid-tier 360/ps3 games...sorry, doesn't have nearly enough horsepower.

I admire what they are trying to do with The Conduit, i've seen the tech demos for the engine and is very impressive for the wii's specs...but they are no 360/ps3 graphics.

[QUOTE="colmusterd28"]No... SSBB and SMG were the only hope... SPlinter Cell, DOA, and a meriad of others smoke the wii....
Rage010101

gotta agree with you on this one man

What game looks better? Splinter Cell Chaos Theory or Splinter Cell Double Agent?

The Wiis GPU is trash, it wont beat the XBOX, yes it has more RAM but what does it mean when it isnt even DX8 compliant Egghead360

Wait a minute, are you telling me that the Wiis gpu doesn't support a MICROSOFT API??? OH NOES!!!!

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]graphics and such tend to improve over a console's lifetime. Devs get used to the hardware and the architecture and then they can do more with it over time. its common sense. also, the xbox's are both similar to PC's. the original xbox had a pentium 3... devs all know how to program for a PC so its easier and faster to get used to the xbox consoles and they tend to peak quicker. I think both the Wii and the PS3 will have much improvement over their lifetimes. the 360 will of course improve as well but i doubt it will be as much as the other 2.karasill

well the architecture is similar and the Wii isn't really supposed to be about graphics. because of this i think that devs are just keeping graphics at gamecube level instead of trying to improve them.

The Wiis GPU is trash, it wont beat the XBOX, yes it has more RAM but what does it mean when it isnt even DX8 compliant Egghead360

PS3 isn't DX complaint either. By you logic that makes it weaker than the orginal Xbox and Dreamcast.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

It's more powerful than the Xbox.

But few developers have bothered to give it a try.

Pro_wrestler

Are you serious? The Conduit looks as good or better than any PS3/360 game and rivals Crysis in most regards.

I'm just going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were being sarcastic about that.

Seeing as not a single Wii game has even come close to Riddick or Conker yet i'll say No. We'll see though...maybe in the future it'll have a better looking game.