Are we over reacting, or is PC going to crap over next gen consoles?

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#1 SaltyMeatballs
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Can a $400, even $500 console compete with PC hardware at launch? Maybe? But I don't see MS or Sony wanting to take losses, so $500 will be $500 in value, not $700.

If consoles are not up to par with PC next gen then I am just going to wait about 2 years and upgrade my rig, have that as my main platform, Halo is not enough, Sony has nothing for me.

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#2 lundy86_4
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We'll see. In terms of hardware, no. In terms of games, possibly (i.e. 360 had some solid looking games at launch). PC will outstrip them pretty quickly.

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#3 soulitane
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Well it would be fairly hard for a console to beat the absolutely best PC out there with SLI and all that. :P
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#4 freedomfreak
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We'll see. In terms of hardware, no. In terms of games, possibly (i.e. 360 had some solid looking games at launch). PC will outstrip them pretty quickly.

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mhm. I think we'll get something on consoles that'll look impressive for about 5 minutes.
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I rather have weaker consoles.
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#6 SaltyMeatballs
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Well it would be fairly hard for a console to beat the absolutely best PC out there with SLI and all that. :Psoulitane
Sure, but I don't remember the 360 being far off PC at launch, in 2006 Gears of War was impressive on any platform (maybe I am wrong?). I don't compare to SLI and all that of course, mainly some of the best if not the best GPU and CPU combos.
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#7 VanDammFan
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eh, pc will never win anything until everything about them becomes plugNplay and easy as consoles all the way around. Pc will be where pc is now in the gaming world..a niche market.

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#8 soulitane
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[QUOTE="soulitane"]Well it would be fairly hard for a console to beat the absolutely best PC out there with SLI and all that. :PSaltyMeatballs
Sure, but I don't remember the 360 being far off PC at launch, in 2006 Gears of War was impressive on any platform (maybe I am wrong?). I don't compare to SLI and all that of course, mainly some of the best if not the best GPU and CPU combos.

Then I'd refer to what Lundy said, the hardware will most likely be more powerful but that isn't to say at launch the consoles won't have some better looking game like say gears looked better than most games at that time.
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#9 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

We'll see. In terms of hardware, no. In terms of games, possibly (i.e. 360 had some solid looking games at launch). PC will outstrip them pretty quickly.

freedomfreak

mhm. I think we'll get something on consoles that'll look impressive for about 5 minutes.

This is true :P

eh, pc will never win anything until everything about them becomes plugNplay and easy as consoles all the way around. Pc will be where pc is now in the gaming world..a niche market.

VanDammFan

They already win "Best Graphics".

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Poop.

Poop everywhere.

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#11 Bigboi500
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I'm more interested in the games, not the hardware. Let someone who gets paid to manufacture and design care about that.

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#12 SaltyMeatballs
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Poop.

Poop everywhere.

D4W1L4H
Fixed. Now says "crap over" for emphasis.

I'm more interested in the games, not the hardware. Let someone who gets paid to manufacture and design care about that.

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When I want to not care about graphics in my next console I will look to the Wii U, as it will have badass Nintendo games.
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Can a $400, even $500 console compete with PC hardware at launch?

SaltyMeatballs

I don't understand why it has to - the average video gamer (the real money in the video game industry) doesn't care about the PC.

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#14 jimmyrussle117
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Can a $400, even $500 console compete with PC hardware at launch? Maybe? But I don't see MS or Sony wanting to take losses, so $500 will be $500 in value, not $700.

If consoles are not up to par with PC next gen then I am just going to wait about 2 years and upgrade my rig, have that as my main platform, Halo is not enough, Sony has nothing for me.

SaltyMeatballs
I don't think it will be a competition really... PC has always been ahead and probably always will be.
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#15 lundy86_4
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the average video gamer (the real money in the video game industry) doesn't care about the PC.

R3FURBISHED

This is kind of hard to pass judgement on. The amount of data necessary would just make it a clusterf*ck conclusion.

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#16 zarshack
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I am going to buy a new laptop within the next couple of months and it will crap all over the next gen consoles. So yes they will be weaker /obsolete at launch graphics/performance wise.

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#18 R3FURBISHED
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[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]

the average video gamer (the real money in the video game industry) doesn't care about the PC.

lundy86_4

This is kind of hard to pass judgement on. The amount of data necessary would just make it a clusterf*ck conclusion.

I base it off the people I work with, the people who shop at GameStop -- how many of the casual market will buy GTA V, or Mass Effect 3, or any other big multiplatform on the PC.

People will buy WoW, StarCraft, Diablo and The Old Republic but they won't buy multiplatforms. Those they buy (largely) on the 360 and some buy them on the PS3.

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#19 NoodleFighter
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eh, pc will never win anything until everything about them becomes plugNplay and easy as consoles all the way around. Pc will be where pc is now in the gaming world..a niche market.

VanDammFan

explain :)

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#20 ActionRemix
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[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

eh, pc will never win anything until everything about them becomes plugNplay and easy as consoles all the way around. Pc will be where pc is now in the gaming world..a niche market.

NoodleFighter

explain :)

The gaming PC I built a month ago now bluescreens on startup. I've never experienced hardware failure on a console.

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#21 mahmoudddd
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Can a $400, even $500 console compete with PC hardware at launch? Maybe? But I don't see MS or Sony wanting to take losses, so $500 will be $500 in value, not $700.

If consoles are not up to par with PC next gen then I am just going to wait about 2 years and upgrade my rig, have that as my main platform, Halo is not enough, Sony has nothing for me.

SaltyMeatballs
I personally do not care about that. For this generation, i waited like 5 or 6 years before getting into this generation's console gaming. I did not miss anything at launch, games are still the same good fun after those years, and at an extremely cheap price. What saddens me is the fact that publishers and developers can pull the plug on their servers at any time. For example, metal gear online 2 has been shut down. (or will be very soon) What a shame. They should allow us to create our own servers like i often did in Age of Empires 2 or Quake 3 or Unreal Tournament 99 ( these games are still played by many people after all those years). That has to be my main problem with console gaming. The closed nature of the consoles makes it impossible to have user created servers after the game has stopped being supported by the devs/publishers. We are more than capable of taking care of the game ourselves, really. We can manage our servers just fine..
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#22 tubbyc
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Crap over? Not really, because like this gen, they'll mostly use the same toolsets for games. For example, Unreal Engine 4 next gen. The PC will have the option for higher resolution, some extra detail, and higher framerates.

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#23 VanDammFan
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"] mhm. I think we'll get something on consoles that'll look impressive for about 5 minutes.lundy86_4

This is true :P

eh, pc will never win anything until everything about them becomes plugNplay and easy as consoles all the way around. Pc will be where pc is now in the gaming world..a niche market.

VanDammFan

They already win "Best Graphics".

to bad most of the gaming community wont see them..remember how the weakest platform wins? enjoy playing those "graphics"..;)

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#24 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]

the average video gamer (the real money in the video game industry) doesn't care about the PC.

R3FURBISHED

This is kind of hard to pass judgement on. The amount of data necessary would just make it a clusterf*ck conclusion.

I base it off the people I work with, the people who shop at GameStop -- how many of the casual market will buy GTA V, or Mass Effect 3, or any other big multiplatform on the PC.

People will buy WoW, StarCraft, Diablo and The Old Republic but they won't buy multiplatforms. Those they buy (largely) on the 360 and some buy them on the PS3.

That's a ridiculously small sample size. Anecdotal evidence is criticized for a reason.

DD is also largely ignored (or wholly ignored with your data).

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#25 W1NGMAN-
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Graphics are good enough right now. We just need more creativity from Devs.

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#26 lundy86_4
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to bad most of the gaming community wont see them..remember how the weakest platform wins? enjoy playing those "graphics"..;)

VanDammFan

What is "the gaming community" and what constitutes "most"?

You'd kinda have to prove that gaming PC's are not a majority and that consoles are, to prove your point.

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#27 NoodleFighter
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[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

eh, pc will never win anything until everything about them becomes plugNplay and easy as consoles all the way around. Pc will be where pc is now in the gaming world..a niche market.

ActionRemix

explain :)

The gaming PC I built a month ago now bluescreens on startup. I've never experienced hardware failure on a console.

Xbox 360, that is all

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#28 Chris_Williams
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man i don't care, i just wanna play videogames

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#29 mitu123
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I hope it does!=3

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#30 DarkLink77
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Of course it is.

Nobody in the console race gives a sh!t about hardware anymore.

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#31 NoodleFighter
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Of course it is.

Nobody in the console race gives a sh!t about hardware anymore.

DarkLink77

unless it is this kindWiiU_04.jpg

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#32 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Of course it is.

Nobody in the console race gives a sh!t about hardware anymore.

NoodleFighter

unless it is this kindWiiU_04.jpg

Pretty much. But in terms of sheer horsepower? Those days are over.
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#33 ShadowDeathX
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eh, pc will never win anything until everything about them becomes plugNplay and easy as consoles all the way around. Pc will be where pc is now in the gaming world..a niche market.

VanDammFan

But then if the PC becomes Plug n Play and simple, the casuals will invade the core section of PC gaming, as such casualizing our games. Then developers will thinking about how they need to make their games appeal to a wide audience. And then all of our favorite core games will dumbed down into casual stuff. Pew Pew Moar Explosions.

Having the entry price tag higher than consoles and knowledge required higher than consoles, the casual herd is kept behind their fences in consolelanda and cheaper laptop pre-made solutions.

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#34 mems_1224
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pc is better than everything, duh. What a boring waste of a thread
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#35 jun_aka_pekto
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That wouldn't stop me from buying a WiiU and I'm a PC gamer.

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#36 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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It's come to a point now where the PC will always be greater in terms of raw power. The start of this gen was neck and neck more or less but now the PC has gone way in front and a console can't keep up. In terms of games it's a whole other ball game though

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#37 Goyoshi12
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Wait....it hasn't done so yet?

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#38 ispeakfact
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Consoles will always compete, since they have the best games. Specifically ps3. :cool:
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#39 madsnakehhh
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Next gen consoles will not be as powerful as high end PCs, like many have said they will be underpowered even at their release date, however, i'm not into consoles because of the graphics, but the games, so i'm cool with that.

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#40 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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Consoles will always compete, since they have the best games. Specifically ps3. :cool:ispeakfact

Sadly the truth is consoles are much easier to develop for. Too many combinations in PC gaming and trying to get it to work for all of them and then you have driver problems

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#41 whiskeystrike
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I think you are just more cognizant and informed about gaming stuff now then you were during previous generational advances. I'm sure next gen will be fine.

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#42 Raymundo_Manuel
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eh, pc will never win anything until everything about them becomes plugNplay and easy as consoles all the way around. Pc will be where pc is now in the gaming world..a niche market.

VanDammFan

You should learn what the word "niche" means.

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#43 Riverwolf007
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pc is going to crush consoles in 95% of the cases but meh, big deal.

you know that going in.

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#44 Jankarcop
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eh, pc will never win anything

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Except for core game count, casual game count, exclusive count, gfx, online, sales, mods, player count, game unit sales

..

:lol:

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#45 Jankarcop
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In terms of games it's a whole other ball game though

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No its not.

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#47 RyviusARC
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It's come to a point now where the PC will always be greater in terms of raw power. The start of this gen was neck and neck more or less but now the PC has gone way in front and a console can't keep up. In terms of games it's a whole other ball game though

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I wouldn't call it neck in neck when my old early 2004 PC was playing multiplats at better settings than the 360 at release. It took quite some time before the Xbox 360 was being utilized correctly and by then we had GPUs that were many times better.
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As long as consoles are around PC will never crap on consoles. Consoles hold PC gaming back remember?
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#49 VanDammFan
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[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

eh, pc will never win anything

Jankarcop

Except for core game count, casual game count, exclusive count, gfx, online, sales, mods, player count, game unit sales

..

:lol:

i see you like spreading fictitious lies..;)

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#50 SaltyMeatballs
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As long as consoles are around PC will never crap on consoles. Consoles hold PC gaming back remember?-Renegade
For multiplatform games on PC, but 90% of the time they still end up looking and running better on PC, so it takes a mini dump on consoles there.