Are you sick of the medival style in WRPGs?

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

No. More RPGs need to go back to the medieval/fantasy roots that they started in.

What I'm frankly tired of is the crappy quality of recent fantasy titles(Gothic 4 screams out in my mind).

How can they go back to their roots if they've never even left them? We need more rpgs like Mass Effect and Fallout, games which are willing to do something different other than swords and elves. Even Alpha Protocol was a whole lot more fresh than most other rpgs.

[QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"]

I'm sick of so many games having the exact same take on medieval fantasy. It's a really sad take on our society that even our escapism is getting standardized and dull.

edo-tensei

Yeah, and I consider that sad, too.

I know it's just the way things are, but it's pathetic.

[QUOTE="TheGrayEye"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

That is how I feel. I am all for a game trying somethign new, but I have yet to see environments that make my jaw drop like a medieval fantasy setting. Look at crysis 1 then look at crysis 2 and see which looks more appealing (I know its an FPS). the beautiful trees and water and all that. Nature is awesome :P.

markinthedark

But there are a whole more beautiful places in the world than just medieval england. Like I said in my ealier post, how about some kind of African-set fantasy? It could be even more beautiful (and bigger in scope) than an england-inspired setting.

Further more, a futuristic rpg like Mass Effect has some beautiful settings as well, maybe even more jaw-dropping, given it's huge galatic scale (like looking out the window of the citadel space station and seeing space ships and such).

I dunno futuristic RPGs always seem to either look like one giant hospital or a giant grey pile of rubble. Gimme plains covered in grass, tree filled forests and winding rivers any day of the week. Im a sucker for exploration... and when what your exploring is a beautiful landscape... it just makes it much more appealing.

That's not true (well with Fallout 3 it's a little true), otherwise I could say the same thing of fantasy games, that they either take place in the woods or in caves and dungeons where you fight rats (probably true for some games actually).

Both Mass Effect games have a ton of variety in their locations, one second you can be in a lush green jungle, the next your driving through a highway that's surrounded by an ocean of clouds (almost literally). Futuristic/sci-fi settings have an infinite amount of possibilites for locations.

No, I love the medieval theme.

[QUOTE="TheGrayEye"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

No. More RPGs need to go back to the medieval/fantasy roots that they started in.

What I'm frankly tired of is the crappy quality of recent fantasy titles(Gothic 4 screams out in my mind).

edo-tensei

How can they go back to their roots if they've never even left them? We need more rpgs like Mass Effect and Fallout, games which are willing to do something different other than swords and elves. Even Alpha Protocol was a whole lot more fresh than most other rpgs.

The first one is definately an rpg. It possess the same classic characterstic of rpgs, in which you level up, shape your character in a unique way, equip different sets of armor/weapons, and make choices through a very story-driven experience, etc.

Just because it has shooter elements, doesn't mean it's not an rpg (I could say the original Fallout games are turn-based strategy games, because that's how the combat played out). Mass Effect 2 on the other hand, has less rpg characteristics, but I would say it still qualifies in one way or another (you still level up and such).

I'm sick of JRPG's general save-the-world storyline featuring 1) overly altruistic and immature protagonist, 2) a cool and mysterious guy/woman, 3) obliviously innocent girl with typical Japanese "cute" moves (that are horrible to watch in English), 4) emo guy who's so selfish that you wanna punch a hole through the game, 5) a random non-human mascot, 6) a world that seems to be very complicated, but in a way little too complicated for anything to sufficiently develop, and 7) overall terrible villains. I miss FF6.funsohng

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

You're still using the two terms like they're sub-genres. J and W indicates the origin only.

Demon's Souls is not "a JRPG trying to be a WRPG", it's an ARPG with medieval theme that's more commonly seen with WRPGs.

markinthedark

But I still think JRPG's and WRPG's should be classified as different sub-genres. They are usually very distinct.

ive always assumed they were sub genres. and the J and the W indicate the origin of the genre... not the origin of the game. Thats always how everyone seems to use the terms.

That comes from people continuously using the terms incorrectly and then passing it onto other people who just assumed it's true.

How can they go back to their roots if they've never even left them? We need more rpgs like Mass Effect and Fallout, games which are willing to do something different other than swords and elves. Even Alpha Protocol was a whole lot more fresh than most other rpgs.

TheGrayEye

They have left them. You can still be fresh while using the classical, time-proven fantasy archetypes.

Dragon Age: Origins was a great game. The Witcher: Extended Edition was as well. I still have LOADS of fun playing NWN2, and Baldurs Gate. We need to do what those games are doing.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="TheGrayEye"]

But there are a whole more beautiful places in the world than just medieval england. Like I said in my ealier post, how about some kind of African-set fantasy? It could be even more beautiful (and bigger in scope) than an england-inspired setting.

Further more, a futuristic rpg like Mass Effect has some beautiful settings as well, maybe even more jaw-dropping, given it's huge galatic scale (like looking out the window of the citadel space station and seeing space ships and such).

Ragingbear505

I dunno futuristic RPGs always seem to either look like one giant hospital or a giant grey pile of rubble. Gimme plains covered in grass, tree filled forests and winding rivers any day of the week. Im a sucker for exploration... and when what your exploring is a beautiful landscape... it just makes it much more appealing.

Morrowind was pretty cool just because it had so many different kinds of landscape.... but its still kind of a medieval setting so i just assumed it was lumped in with that group.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="TheGrayEye"]

How can they go back to their roots if they've never even left them? We need more rpgs like Mass Effect and Fallout, games which are willing to do something different other than swords and elves. Even Alpha Protocol was a whole lot more fresh than most other rpgs.

TheGrayEye

The first one is definately an rpg. It possess the same classic characterstic of rpgs, in which you level up, shape your character in a unique way, equip different sets of armor/weapons, and make choices through a very story-driven experience, etc.

Just because it has shooter elements, doesn't mean it's not an rpg (I could say the original Fallout games are turn-based strategy games, because that's how the combat played out). Mass Effect 2 on the other hand, has less rpg characteristics, but I would say it still qualifies in one way or another (you still level up and such).

[QUOTE="funsohng"]I'm sick of JRPG's general save-the-world storyline featuring 1) overly altruistic and immature protagonist, 2) a cool and mysterious guy/woman, 3) obliviously innocent girl with typical Japanese "cute" moves (that are horrible to watch in English), 4) emo guy who's so selfish that you wanna punch a hole through the game, 5) a random non-human mascot, 6) a world that seems to be very complicated, but in a way little too complicated for anything to sufficiently develop, and 7) overall terrible villains. I miss FF6.edo-tensei

[QUOTE="TheGrayEye"]

How can they go back to their roots if they've never even left them? We need more rpgs like Mass Effect and Fallout, games which are willing to do something different other than swords and elves. Even Alpha Protocol was a whole lot more fresh than most other rpgs.

They have left them. You can still be fresh while using the classical, time-proven fantasy archetypes.

Dragon Age: Origins was a great game. The Witcher: Extended Edition was as well. I still have LOADS of fun playing NWN2, and Baldurs Gate. We need to do what those games are doing.

I can't say I'm sick of the medival setting, but I am starting to get sick of the constant Tolken rip offs.

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="IceBlazerX"] I realize that.OB-47

You're still using the two terms like they're sub-genres. J and W indicates the origin only.

Demon's Souls is not "a JRPG trying to be a WRPG", it's an ARPG with medieval theme that's more commonly seen with WRPGs.

But I still think JRPG's and WRPG's should be classified as different sub-genres. They are usually very distinct.

Until a RPG like Demon's Souls comes along and that made up system comepletely falls apart. Style is not a criteria for sub-genres, no matter how "distinct" they may be. You're just stereotyping games from western and Japanese developers.

I'm sick of effeminate and unlikeable characters fitting into the same character archtypes over and over, but you don't hear me complaining about Final Fantasy, do you?

[QUOTE="TheGrayEye"]

How can they go back to their roots if they've never even left them? We need more rpgs like Mass Effect and Fallout, games which are willing to do something different other than swords and elves. Even Alpha Protocol was a whole lot more fresh than most other rpgs.

airshocker

They have left them. You can still be fresh while using the classical, time-proven fantasy archetypes.

Dragon Age: Origins was a great game. The Witcher: Extended Edition was as well. I still have LOADS of fun playing NWN2, and Baldurs Gate. We need to do what those games are doing.

They haven't left them until I stop seeing castles and english accents (not to say I don't like the accent itself). There are lots of nations and cultures throughout the world, many of which are rich with their own mythology and unique landscapes.

I don't see ANY reason why it wouldn't be a fresh idea to create an almost visionary, new unique fantasy somewhere else. (Like I said earlier) How about an African-set fantasy? Egyptian maybe (I can't think of too many Ancient Egypt-set fantasy rpgs)? Maybe Asia (Bioware actually did something like this before, but I never got around to playing it)? Hell, even Greek would be nice (not talking about God of War here). There are so many.

There is nothing wrong with medieval theme. However, magic stuff needs to go away. Period.

[QUOTE="TheGrayEye"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Please mass effect, while a good game, hardly classifies as an rpg. edo-tensei

The first one is definately an rpg. It possess the same classic characterstic of rpgs, in which you level up, shape your character in a unique way, equip different sets of armor/weapons, and make choices through a very story-driven experience, etc.

Just because it has shooter elements, doesn't mean it's not an rpg (I could say the original Fallout games are turn-based strategy games, because that's how the combat played out). Mass Effect 2 on the other hand, has less rpg characteristics, but I would say it still qualifies in one way or another (you still level up and such).

(Okay, I think I've deciphered your post correctly...) They just changed it so exp only dealt with the powers aspect of your character. They kind of sorted it out for some reason, but it still works in the way one could expect with rpg-elements.

The fact of the matter is that the first one is still definately an rpg, so that still supports my argument completely.

They haven't left them until I stop seeing castles and english accents (not to say I don't like the accent itself). There are lots of nations and cultures throughout the world, many of which are rich with their own mythology and unique landscapes.

I don't see ANY reason why it wouldn't be a fresh idea to create an almost visionary, new unique fantasy somewhere else. (Like I said earlier) How about an African-set fantasy? Egyptian maybe (I can't think of too many Ancient Egypt-set fantasy rpgs)? Maybe Asia (Bioware actually did something like this before, but I never got around to playing it)? Hell, even Greek would be nice (not talking about God of War here). There are so many.

TheGrayEye

Not every fantasy game touts an English accent :P And castles come with the genre, that's something you're going to have to get used to.

I wouldn't mind any of those, but until someone makes one, I'll gladly play a well-made medieval/fantasy RPG.

I would love to see a really urban take on Western RPG. I don't care for western mythos or space themese but TWEWY western flavour, I could totally get into that.

[QUOTE="TheGrayEye"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Please mass effect, while a good game, hardly classifies as an rpg. edo-tensei

The first one is definately an rpg. It possess the same classic characterstic of rpgs, in which you level up, shape your character in a unique way, equip different sets of armor/weapons, and make choices through a very story-driven experience, etc.

Just because it has shooter elements, doesn't mean it's not an rpg (I could say the original Fallout games are turn-based strategy games, because that's how the combat played out). Mass Effect 2 on the other hand, has less rpg characteristics, but I would say it still qualifies in one way or another (you still level up and such).

I haven't been that big on RPG games for a while. I bought two for this generation, Oblivion and The Witcher. If Vampire: The Masquerade Redemption is an RPG, then it's one RPG style I miss. Sure it starts out in the Middle Ages. But, it also delved into the present.

I haven't been that big on RPG games for a while. I bought two for this generation, Oblivion and The Witcher. If Vampire: The Masquerade Redemption is an RPG, then it's one RPG style I miss. Sure it starts out in the Middle Ages. But, it also delved into the present.

jun_aka_pekto

yes... more sci-fi futuristic please... maybe that will get me into them... campzor

[QUOTE="campzor"]yes... more sci-fi futuristic please... maybe that will get me into them... jasonharris48

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="campzor"]yes... more sci-fi futuristic please... maybe that will get me into them... campzor

[QUOTE="campzor"][QUOTE="jasonharris48"] Play the Fallout titles (1,2). Also give the deus Ex titles a go. (They are like a FPS/RPG hybird games)

jasonharris48

Often times, medieval settings seem like an excuse to not come up with unique fantasy designs. I've only played JRPGs, but I typically associate it with "generic."

There is nothing wrong with medieval theme. However, magic stuff needs to go away. Period.

redneckdouglas

Often times, medieval settings seem like an excuse to not come up with unique fantasy designs. I've only played JRPGs, but I typically associate it with "generic."

hakanakumono

I'd personally like more steampunk era RPGs.

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="campzor"] Sadly i dont have my gaming pc anymore and am forced to use this horrible acer laptop which would be lucky to run MS WORD! :P Dont really like the fallout (played #3 and bleghh...and seen videos of the 1st 2 and not my thing) But deus Ex i have been interested in.. Maybe down the track ill give THAT a go.campzor

I'd personally like more steampunk era RPGs.

Vesica_Prime

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="IceBlazerX"] I realize that.OB-47

You're still using the two terms like they're sub-genres. J and W indicates the origin only.

Demon's Souls is not "a JRPG trying to be a WRPG", it's an ARPG with medieval theme that's more commonly seen with WRPGs.

But I still think JRPG's and WRPG's should be classified as different sub-genres. They are usually very distinct.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Often times, medieval settings seem like an excuse to not come up with unique fantasy designs. I've only played JRPGs, but I typically associate it with "generic."

texasgoldrush

I'm not even sure what you're attempting to argue. "Medieval settings are often devoid of creativity, "because [they] can be the best." What?

Most JRPGs are medieval.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

I'd personally like more steampunk era RPGs.

texasgoldrush

People have no sense of what "steam punk" means.

▲ OP, check out Mass Effect and Fallout. ▲

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

I'd personally like more steampunk era RPGs.

People have no sense of what "steam punk" means.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Which Fable III is.....one of the strongest aspects of the series was its progression from the medieval fairy tale of the first game, to the age of discovery era of the second game (think pirates and muskets), to the industrial steam punk revolutionary theme of the third.texasgoldrush

People have no sense of what "steam punk" means.

Industrial revolution =/= steam punk.

Neither are "themes."

not really I'm more sick of the steam punk futuristic style of jrpgs anymore.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Often times, medieval settings seem like an excuse to not come up with unique fantasy designs. I've only played JRPGs, but I typically associate it with "generic."

I'm not even sure what you're attempting to argue. "Medieval settings are often devoid of creativity, "because [they] can be the best." What?

Most JRPGs are medieval.

not really I'm more sick of the steam punk futuristic style of jrpgs anymore.

WilliamRLBaker

Just how many of these games are there?

well im sick of western either way, give me color and crazyness instead pleasemetalkitten