Are you willing to pay $500 dollars or more for a new console?

[QUOTE="Wiiyou"]

You know all parents not like to buy presents for $500+, and if a console cost $1000 you can get a PC ....:?

AM-Gamer

Yet consdering console makes usually sell for a slight loss and can make things far cheaper then you can by ordering the parts for yourself a console that actually cost $1000 dollars to the consumer would be a complete monster and far beyond any pc of the same price.

It is no chance in hell they can sell a console for $1000, look at what happened to Sony and $599. It is to expensive for a "normal" console gamer, sweet-spot is around $249-299 for most people.

Hardware getting old fast, so even a $1000 console would get inferior to a PC fast.

No, I'd wait for a price drop unless all my freinds got it or something.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="Wiiyou"]

You know all parents not like to buy presents for $500+, and if a console cost $1000 you can get a PC ....:?

Wiiyou

Yet consdering console makes usually sell for a slight loss and can make things far cheaper then you can by ordering the parts for yourself a console that actually cost $1000 dollars to the consumer would be a complete monster and far beyond any pc of the same price.

It is no chance in hell they can sell a console for $1000, look at what happened to Sony and $599. It is to expensive for a "normal" console gamer, sweet-spot is around $249-299 for most people.

Hardware getting old fast, so even a $1000 console would get inferior to a PC fast.

Not in that price range it wouldn't , but I do agree there is no way in hell they woul sell it for $1000.

For the PS3, 360, and Wii, I picked each of those up on day 1, but I'll wait a while to get the WiiU, a long while to get the 720 (has to show me that it'll have more than casual Kinect crap), and maybe get the PS4 day 1. Money is not an issue as I have plenty saved up. It just comes down to which consoles can show me that they will have quality exclusives.

[QUOTE="Wiiyou"]

You know all parents not like to buy presents for $500+, and if a console cost $1000 you can get a PC ....:?

AM-Gamer

Yet consdering console makes usually sell for a slight loss and can make things far cheaper then you can by ordering the parts for yourself a console that actually cost $1000 dollars to the consumer would be a complete monster and far beyond any pc of the same price.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="Wiiyou"]

You know all parents not like to buy presents for $500+, and if a console cost $1000 you can get a PC ....:?

rjdofu

Yet consdering console makes usually sell for a slight loss and can make things far cheaper then you can by ordering the parts for yourself a console that actually cost $1000 dollars to the consumer would be a complete monster and far beyond any pc of the same price.

No its not , not even close unless you steal your games which many pc gamers do.

[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

Yet consdering console makes usually sell for a slight loss and can make things far cheaper then you can by ordering the parts for yourself a console that actually cost $1000 dollars to the consumer would be a complete monster and far beyond any pc of the same price.

AM-Gamer

No its not , not even close unless you steal your games which many pc gamers do.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="rjdofu"] ,.,,,.. feel free to use them. Btw, PC is always cheaper than consoles in the long run.rjdofu

No its not , not even close unless you steal your games which many pc gamers do.

Oh hello PSN+ with loads of free games every month and the ability to trade in used games for new ones( although i dont do this). Not to mention you will pay about 1/5th the cost on hardware.

More than willing to pay $500 CDN for new Xbox if it it's a true next gen beast. Playstation too, in the future.

[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

No its not , not even close unless you steal your games which many pc gamers do.

AM-Gamer

Oh hello PSN+ with loads of free games every month and the ability to trade in used games for new ones( although i dont do this). Not to mention you will pay about 1/5th the cost on hardware.

[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

No its not , not even close unless you steal your games which many pc gamers do.

AM-Gamer

Oh hello PSN+ with loads of free games every month and the ability to trade in used games for new ones( although i dont do this). Not to mention you will pay about 1/5th the cost on hardware.

[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

No its not , not even close unless you steal your games which many pc gamers do.

AM-Gamer

Oh hello PSN+ with loads of free games every month and the ability to trade in used games for new ones( although i dont do this). Not to mention you will pay about 1/5th the cost on hardware.

Over 2+ Million bought PS3 at 5/600 dollars. Funny lol. I wonder how the PS3 would fair if it actually PUT 1K of hardware into the machine vs 200 dollars of outdated PC hardware a blu-ray drive. Secondly, PSN+ isn't all that attractive once you realize your subscription is up. I did some math and in my 5 years of using Steam I've spend less than 650 dollars on games. And I have 122 of them, granted some of them are DLC (For Borderlands and New Vegas) but it should REALLY speak about the savings you get compared to consoles. My most expensive game there is Sleeping Dogs and I got that for 30 from Green Man Gaming and received Borderlands 2 for free from my GTX 670.

http://steamcommunity.com/id/ronaldmonster/games?tab=all

If the hardware itself is a major leap and the graphics make your jaw drop and it allows new ways to play games are you willing to spend the money and if so how much?

I hear people say they want the new consoles to launch for $300 or no buy, to me thats hillarious. If you are not willing to pay at least $500 dollars for the next consoles you need to get either a job or a new hobby. I mean honestly the PS1 launched for $300 dollars in 1994. The PS2 launched for $300 dolalrs in 2000? Why don't many gamers understand the basic laws of inflation and realize that more impressive tech cost more money and if these companys sell for $300 dollars that means one of two things. They are either losing there A$$( which none of them will do next gen) or making small profit maybe barely breaking even on something that does not cost much to make and is a very minimal upgrade from todays consoles.

I find it funny all these people buy $630 dollar I-pads every year which is a minimal upgrade and is nothing more then a large phone without the phone or a gimped laptop . Yet many gamers can't spend $500 on a hobby they supposedly love on hardware that will probably last them 5 or more years? With that said what will you pay and what are your expectation of next gen?

AM-Gamer

You seem to forget the other previaling principle of technology. It gets cheaper as it also gets exponentially more powerful. Costs of current technology drops each month as newer tech repalces it at the same cost of what the predecessor launched at. Yes the PS2 and PS1 cost the same at their launch, yet the PS2 was significantly more powerful than its predecessor. But the value of the older tech deflates, so $300 for the PS2 was cheaper than paying the same for the PS1 6 years prior.

That's the way it works. You pay relatively the same today as what older tech cost years ago, which was far less advanced. Just look at what 500 MB hard drives cost so many years ago, and what you have to spend in 2012 for HDDs with 500% more storage space. Or how about video cards, comparing the price and performance of old VOODOO models to todays Nvidia and AMD. It's only in this gen we saw an increase in the launch price over the predecessors.

So yes, we do expect more powerful tech, but not at ridiculously inflated costs just because it's more advanced than what the same costing tech was from days gone by.

[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

No its not , not even close unless you steal your games which many pc gamers do.

AM-Gamer

Oh hello PSN+ with loads of free games every month and the ability to trade in used games for new ones( although i dont do this). Not to mention you will pay about 1/5th the cost on hardware.

-Pays for PSN+ to earn it for free

It's more expensive to pay for free games to keep them in the long run with PSN+, so...

I'd say $400 is as high as I'd be willing to pay. Anything higher than that, and I'll wait for a price drop.

$500 is my limit. I'll probably get a nextbox for free :P

I am willing to pay that much and MORE if the console can bring reliability coupled with strong hardware specs.

it's really hilarious when people pay $500 for a tablet or a smartphone, not to mention PCs and at the same time makes $500-$600 sounds like they are being ripped off for a multipurpose "next-gen" consoles that lasts for 5 years.

last but not least, I thought the latest statistics for the average gamer is between 25-35, if you are in your early 20s and you can't afford $500 then you should go to a shrink adn see whats wrong in your life, let alone being in the age between 25 to 35.

I bought a ps3 for $600. That piece of hardware lasted me 7 years. To me, it's well worth the investment.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="rjdofu"] Oh hello? Steam?k2theswiss

Oh hello PSN+ with loads of free games every month and the ability to trade in used games for new ones( although i dont do this). Not to mention you will pay about 1/5th the cost on hardware.

You dont rent the games , once you download PS+ game it is yours forever its not ONLIVE. Each month they have free downlaods where you get the full game for free and forever. I got Warhammer space Marine and VF5 FS for free. Thats a hell of a deal.

$500 is the price point they should be at. That should allow the graphics to be somewhere around gtx 580-680 level. That is a huge jump in graphics.

If the consoles sold for $300, they would get beat by mid level pc graphics so fast. Pc gaming would take over.

If Ms and Sony are to succeed they need to make the consoles as powerful as they can. So that they can have another long cycle.

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"][QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

Oh hello PSN+ with loads of free games every month and the ability to trade in used games for new ones( although i dont do this). Not to mention you will pay about 1/5th the cost on hardware.

AM-Gamer

You dont rent the games , once you download PS+ game it is yours forever its not ONLIVE. Each month they have free downlaods where you get the full game for free and forever. I got Warhammer space Marine and VF5 FS for free. Thats a hell of a deal.

I am willing to pay that much and MORE if the console can bring reliability coupled with strong hardware specs.

it's really hilarious when people pay $500 for a tablet or a smartphone, not to mention PCs and at the same time makes $500-$600 sounds like they are being ripped off for a multipurpose "next-gen" consoles that lasts for 5 years.

last but not least, I thought the latest statistics for the average gamer is between 25-35, if you are in your early 20s and you can't afford $500 then you should go to a shrink adn see whats wrong in your life, let alone being in the age between 25 to 35.

HAZE-Unit

I couldn't have said that better myself

The highest I am willing to pay is $400. Any higher and I will just wait for a price cut. There are more important things I am willing to pay $500 or more than just a piece of entertainment.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"] face palm... psn+ is rental services of their choice not yours. with somethings discounts. You don't have to spend no more then a grand on a very nice pc rig. PC's do far more then a console 3: 98% of games get sold $10 cheaper right off on release Because devs/other publishers don't have to pay BIG Sony/MS a $10 fee just to be on their system. 4: steam, GMG, ect offers sales left and right, with major sales 2-3 times a month with out paying Some Fee like psn+ Don't get me wrong PSN+ is nice and microsoft and even nintendo need get with the program..rjdofu

You dont rent the games , once you download PS+ game it is yours forever its not ONLIVE. Each month they have free downlaods where you get the full game for free and forever. I got Warhammer space Marine and VF5 FS for free. Thats a hell of a deal.

Then why does VF5 run just fine on my PS3 after it already says expired? If that was the case it would require you always have an online connection to track it and it plays just fine without it.

Price tags will start at $499 for 1 controller and no games. $599 for 2 controllers + game. Same as usual. If you think it's going to be cheaper, you live under a rock perhaps? Denial?SKaREO

You might be right about the pricing. Wont argue that. Who knows? But same as usual? No. Not at all. No reason to insult the lower estimations of others when past trends actually prove you wrong.

[QUOTE="SKaREO"]Price tags will start at $499 for 1 controller and no games. $599 for 2 controllers + game. Same as usual. If you think it's going to be cheaper, you live under a rock perhaps? Denial?sandbox3d

You might be right about the pricing. Wont argue that. Who knows? But same as usual? No. Not at all. No reason to insult the lower estimations of others when past trends actually prove you wrong.

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

[QUOTE="SKaREO"]Price tags will start at $499 for 1 controller and no games. $599 for 2 controllers + game. Same as usual. If you think it's going to be cheaper, you live under a rock perhaps? Denial?SKaREO

You might be right about the pricing. Wont argue that. Who knows? But same as usual? No. Not at all. No reason to insult the lower estimations of others when past trends actually prove you wrong.

I'll just assume you misunderstood the topic then. PS3 pricing (which was considered absolutely ridiculous by both gamers and the industry at large) does not account for "same as usual" regarding the history of console pricing across the board. Hell, it doesnt even account for Sonys typical approach. 5 - 6 hundred dollars is not "same as usual" by any stretch.

And before you go looking, I already found it for you. You're welcome.

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Launch_price

Also blu-ray is much cheaper this time around. So they wont have to sacrifice graphics power to pay for the blu-ray drive.

Blu-ray is what drove Ps3's price up.

[QUOTE="SKaREO"][QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

You might be right about the pricing. Wont argue that. Who knows? But same as usual? No. Not at all. No reason to insult the lower estimations of others when past trends actually prove you wrong.

sandbox3d

I'll just assume you misunderstood the topic then. PS3 pricing (which was considered absolutely ridiculous by both gamers and the industry at large) does not account for "same as usual" regarding the history of console pricing across the board. Hell, it doesnt even account for Sonys typical approach. 5 - 6 hundred dollars is not "same as usual" by any stretch.

And before you go looking, I already found it for you. You're welcome.

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Launch_price

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

[QUOTE="SKaREO"] What are you talking about?SKaREO

I'll just assume you misunderstood the topic then. PS3 pricing (which was considered absolutely ridiculous by both gamers and the industry at large) does not account for "same as usual" regarding the history of console pricing across the board. Hell, it doesnt even account for Sonys typical approach. 5 - 6 hundred dollars is not "same as usual" by any stretch.

And before you go looking, I already found it for you. You're welcome.

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Launch_price

Well youth is a relative term, but I was born in 1980. Of course there is inflation, but even so, your statement about 5 - 6 hundred bucks being "same as usual" holds absolutely no water whatsoever.

The PS3 price announcment was one of the biggest fails this gen. It sent shockwaves through the industry. Even Sony thought it was ridiculous and realized it was their worst issue with the PS3. Its why they went from all out domination to scrambling for market share. The other higher ups at Sony said that if communications with Kutaragi would have been better they would have never launched hardware at that price.

No way ever! buying the PS3 in 2007 for over $500 was enough, i will never do that ever again.. i was young and silly :cry:

[QUOTE="SKaREO"][QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

I'll just assume you misunderstood the topic then. PS3 pricing (which was considered absolutely ridiculous by both gamers and the industry at large) does not account for "same as usual" regarding the history of console pricing across the board. Hell, it doesnt even account for Sonys typical approach. 5 - 6 hundred dollars is not "same as usual" by any stretch.

And before you go looking, I already found it for you. You're welcome.

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Launch_price

sandbox3d

Well youth is a relative term, but I was born in 1980. Of course there is inflation, but even so, your statement about 5 - 6 hundred bucks being "same as usual" holds absolutely no water whatsoever.

The PS3 price announcment was one of the biggest fails this gen. It sent shockwaves through the industry. Even Sony thought it was ridiculous and realized it was their worst issue with the PS3. Its why they went from all out domination to scrambling for market share. The other higher ups at Sony said that if communications with Kutaragi would have been better they would have never launched hardware at that price.

It's up to the console to sell itself to me. If the games are there i'll make it happen.darkspineslayer

Perfect response. +1

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

[QUOTE="SKaREO"] You must be young. You haven't accounted for inflation.SKaREO

Well youth is a relative term, but I was born in 1980. Of course there is inflation, but even so, your statement about 5 - 6 hundred bucks being "same as usual" holds absolutely no water whatsoever.

The PS3 price announcment was one of the biggest fails this gen. It sent shockwaves through the industry. Even Sony thought it was ridiculous and realized it was their worst issue with the PS3. Its why they went from all out domination to scrambling for market share. The other higher ups at Sony said that if communications with Kutaragi would have been better they would have never launched hardware at that price.

I never said it was. No strawmen please.

$500 was under-priced at the time. Even the $600 tag was under-priced. But developing a brand new ass backwards chipset and a high capacity storage medium (none of which truly helped the PS3) was Sonys choice. And they arrived at that choice through massive issues in management and communication. At least BR payed off in a way. They meant to use the PS3 as a trojan horse and it worked.

Even so, that is all beside the point. You are citing one of the most expensive game consoles to come out, one that the company itself considered a pricing blunder, and saying it is "the same as usual" when it is very far from it.

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]It's up to the console to sell itself to me. If the games are there i'll make it happen.santoron

Perfect response. +1

well....the games are going to be there thats a given but Im not gonna settle for less than 100% leap from current gen console capabilites, I want to be blown away from a technical standpoint.

Something on par with Agni's Philosophy tech demo from there and up.

[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

You dont rent the games , once you download PS+ game it is yours forever its not ONLIVE. Each month they have free downlaods where you get the full game for free and forever. I got Warhammer space Marine and VF5 FS for free. Thats a hell of a deal.

AM-Gamer

Then why does VF5 run just fine on my PS3 after it already says expired? If that was the case it would require you always have an online connection to track it and it plays just fine without it.

How about stop lying and just accept it?

of course , id spend even 1000$ if i consider it to be worth it

Considering the console will last at least 5 years (probably longer as this gens been 7 so far) I'd say its definitely a good investment.

If the rumours are true, they'll offer a subscription based model too. So for your people who don't want to lay down $500 at launch can play $200 or whatever and then pay a monthly fee for 2 years. Personally not for me, but a nice option I guess.

Shouldn't this question be directed at the parents of the console peasants?