ARK Dev: XB1X Is Like a PC with GTX 1070 & 16GB RAM; Game Runs at 1080P@60 while PS4 Pro Is 1080P@30

Instead of targeting 30FPS like on the other consoles, we’re targeting 60FPS for the Xbox One X. I would say most of the time for PS4 Pro you would be seeing 30FPS on PS4 Pro at 1080P, whereas with the Xbox One X you’re going to see double the frame rate at 1080P, 60FPS. We might even allow the frame rate to go higher than 60 FPS, but we’re still looking into that. Right now it’s actually uncapped but on a TV it’s not that useful [because they’re locked to 60Hz].

Previously on PS4 Pro, we had the option to choose between frame rate (720P@60FPS) and resolution (1080P@30). We removed it because it’s a better experience for the users now.

Because ours is a multiplayer game, the complexity on the screen can be very unpredictable. Variable resolution is something we introduced this year to try and stabilize the frame rate on lower PCs and consoles so that when people go into a huge base and someone’s got a hundred dinosaurs, the resolution scales down but the frame rate stays smooth.

We’re not targeting 4K resolution or anything like that, instead we’re targeting higher quality pixels.

So this is Xbox One X's first 1080p title?

True 4K!

@goldenelementxl: That didn't take long. Now let's hear cries about the developer.

So the developer confirms that the Pro is inferior hardware and will get the crap version.

Got it!

This is too easy to make fun of. I guess it's true that the ARK devs suck at optimizing and coding game engines altogether.

I'm not spinning anything. Microsofts PR is to blame for that. This game will run at native 1080p on the "true 4K gaming console."

It will run it better than the PS4 Pro obviously. I'm not making this a Cow vs Lem thing. Just stating facts...

I'm genuinely curious how much more capable Microsoft's modified/customized CPU actually is.

LOL good thing I have a PC. I already have a 1060 6GB so if i had $500, it wouldn't be in an Xbox or PS Pro, it would be toward a 1080 Ti

that's nice but none of the games shown thus far tell me the x1x is $100 better than a ps4pro.

oh and pc is better blah blah blah

@Fairmonkey: that would be foolish too me but to each his own i guess

The ARK developer is using this console exactly as Microsoft has specified, they can use its capabilities in any capacity they please.

Microsoft is pushing this console as the peak of what it can do, how developers use the hardware resources for their games is up to them, they've been very clear about this.

@NFJSupreme: I would rather put it toward a PC and get much better performance and graphical fidelity compared to xbox X where i get access to thousands of more games, millions of mods, and free online rather than a closed off corporate box from Microsoft that puts out games I am the least interested in compared to Sony, nintendo, and PC, a console that will last 2-3 years before upgrade or if sony makes a stronger machine, with a controller i generally dislike, and PC is simply better so if I had $500 to drop, it certainly wouldn't be on an Xbox one X

double the frame rates? lol c'mon, dude. maybe in certain games but let's not act like this is some across the board shit.

oh and this just one more little thing, what was it? oh yeah...games? where are the games that make an x1x a better choice over the ps4pro? or a pc?

1X is superior

@kuu2:

and every single one of them can be purchased on another platform. still not seeing the need to buy a $499 console

edit: this is where exclusives make a huge difference. to bad ms waved bye bye to that concept

1 - Is double the frame rate not "running better?" That's a HUGE deal!

2 - I haven't been downplaying anything. I've been trying to temper expectations, and it hasn't been 48 hours and folks are already dealing with the overhype. The Xbox One X is above and beyond the best console ever made. I'm excited to own it myself. But the things I've been harping on for months now, a) the console won't run big budget AAA games at 4K 60, and b) the console won't be cheap, have come to be true. Anyone who builds PC's, benchmarks, or is an engineer (*cough cough) would know that the hype behind the console and what is being delivered weren't going to match up.

When was I proven wrong? The only things I remember saying definitively are that the console wouldn't be under $500 and that it wouldn't beat a GTX 1070 GPU-wise.

So, in other words, it doesn't ALWAYS run at 1080p with variable resolution. This is a bit misleading for a thread title.

Probably better ASSets too

@Fairmonkey: True statement I don't see myself paying that for a console again when I can just upgrade my gpu. Even though the X is enticing, I'd rather have the 1080 and know I can hit 4k30 bare minimum, not mention you can already find the non ti 1080 for less than 500. I won't miss anything by holding out on the X, I have an Xbox already.

You left out the facts that MS said from the beginning multiple times that it would be up to the devs. Still funny that you'd try to spin it into a negative and THAT is exactly what you tried to do so don't deny it.

lol they need a GTX 1070 to play games at 1080p @60fps? XD

Lol@ PS Pro

Lol... Pro.

Is there a disclaimer on any of Microsofts press marketing material? Are they calling it the "True 4K Machine If Developers Want To Do It"? And who's spinning here? I'm stating facts while you're auditioning for Microsofts PR team.

You better step your game up, cuz whoever came up with "pixel purity" and "terrifying clarity" is spinning on a whole new level!

apparently on the regular X1 the game is below 720p with terrible frame rate

Hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa......

The game was terribly optimized even on PC there is no doubt scorpio will run better but the whole 1070GTX angle is a joke,in fact the PS4 Pro version does 1080p 30 while the 1070GTX does 34? Yeah right and Scorpio faster than Titan...hahahaha

I wonder if they got as much money for hyping scorpio as Brad Wardell did for hyping DX12...lol

While each generation of video card struggles to gain substantial performance over the previous generation, here, the same hardware will suddenly see a doubling of performance.

XBox One is the biggest beneficiary; it effectively gives every Xbox One owner a new GPU that is twice as fast as the old one.

https://www.neowin.net/news/directx-12-a-game-changer-for-xbox-one

Those who don't learn history are doom to repeat it.

Any one who believe those people deserve to be taken by MS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8uBk0FmL5Q&t=1703s

Watch the interview. "We aren't going to tell devs how to use the power we offer to them." They chose to use it for a better framerate. Its been reiterated by MS since they announced this console a year ago. They will not force anyone to do 4K, if that dev wants to do something else with the power.

1 - Racing games are a great showcase for hardware. They are also performance anomalies. Mainline Forza on Xbox One is 1080p 60. Is that a good indication of the performance of other games on the console? The answer is an obvious no.

2 - You know damn well people here were hyping $399 and lower for the price.

3 - I NEVER questioned Richards qualifications regarding his DF articles. I questioned his journalistic integrity for a short period of time. His early Scorpio articles were not analysis, but they read like they were. He later came out and said his comparisons lacked validity, and at that point it all became clear to me. And I never said he wasn't qualified to comment on specs. That doesn't even make sense.

4 - I work as an engineer in the diagnostic imaging field. I work with highend GPU tech almost daily. However, I'm not involved in the gaming field, don't know how to code a game and am not claiming to be an all out expert. But I know what I'm talking about and am not a fanboy that will fall for any ol' PR speak and parrot it back at folks on a message board. I was just offering some context.

5 - Yes I'm very impressed with the system. That doesn't mean I have to get on a message board and insult other people because of the thing I like. I also don't have to throw my brain out the window in order to defend it. I'm critical of everything when it deserves it, and I praise it when it deserves that too. That's how people should operate. The Xbox One X will be the best console for gaming. It even offers advantages over PC's in the sub $1,000 range. But I take offense when the console is being marketed as a "True 4K Console" and am going to be quick to point out when the console falls below that mark. Devs choice or not, just like I was with the PS4 when it missed 1080p.

So were you one of the Xbox fans that was trashing the PS4 Pro for it's 4K claims? Because developers could dial back games to hit 4K there too. It was wrong when Sony claimed the PS4 Pro was a 4K console and it's just as shady now. The difference is the Lem Army that has been on the "True 4K" hype train. Many of us knew that was b.s. but now it's out there in black and white. So now the Lem Army is on the, "watch the interview" damage control I see. I knew this would be the case the whole time. 99% of Xbox fans on this board (and your boy DealerGaming ;P) were saying different.

That's why Destiny 2 is 30fps. Would the game run in 30fps on a 1070? Lolno.

I don't see how it is BS when Forza 7 is 4k/60 and Battlefront 2 is said by the devs to be 4k/60 whereas the Pro isn't hitting that, its "dynamic". What about that isn't true 4k?

LMAO damage control. So you state in this thread you are stating facts, and when facts are posted in reply, it is factual that MS has never mandated devs to use the power for resolution but it can do 4k, you cant handle it. LOL

@kuu2: You brought up Forza 7 being 4K 60, not me. Forza 5 and 6 were 1080p 60. How many other titles on the OG Xbox One were 1080p 60? You have to see the validity in that statement. Racing games are capable of more than shooters or open world games. Isn't the new Gran Turismo 4K 60 on Pro?

And what am I being exposed of? I love the console but hate the hype. That's the basic gist of what I'm saying. You would think Xbox fans would have learned from Cows mistakes over the years, but nope. You're all right there falling for it all over again.

4K4K4K4K4K4K4K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 "Assassins Creed is checkerboarding" Well yeah! Teh Interview!!11! We knew that! Stop damage controlling you stupid Cow!!111!!11!

@goldenelementxl said:

@kingtito said:

@goldenelementxl said:

I'm not spinning anything. Microsofts PR is to blame for that. This game will run at native 1080p on the "true 4K gaming console."

It will run it better than the PS4 Pro obviously. I'm not making this a Cow vs Lem thing. Just stating facts...

You left out the facts that MS said from the beginning multiple times that it would be up to the devs. Still funny that you'd try to spin it into a negative and THAT is exactly what you tried to do so don't deny it.

Is there a disclaimer on any of Microsofts press marketing material? Are they calling it the "True 4K Machine If Developers Want To Do It"? And who's spinning here? I'm stating facts while you're auditioning for Microsofts PR team.

You better step your game up, cuz whoever came up with "pixel purity" and "terrifying clarity" is spinning on a whole new level!

They're saying that it can do native 4K and so far they've been proven right. They've also stated it was up to the devs if they wanted to concentrate on rendering at native 4K or for other aspects instead. No where does it say that a "true" 4K gaming machine has to render every single game in 4K and MS NEVER said it. You're making up your own meaning of what MS said just like the moronic cows on this site. You're acting no better than they are.

I'll like to see the PC that can run this game at 4k @60fps at max. lol

OK, so by your logic the PS4 Pro is "true 4K" too then, right? It can do 4K... So is this only a Microsoft vs Sony thing, like 4K only matters when Pro isn't, or just as long as the resolution is higher than Pro, we're good?

I can handle it just fine. You know I like Xbox! I've been called a closet Lem for a damn decade. I'm just not used to the Lem brand of flip flopping. I was good and used to the Cows doing it, but shits up and changed on me and I'm trying to get my bearings.

Take into account differing settings. It's not a MAXORRZZ setting, naturally.

@kuu2: Well what it comes down to is "OMG!!! PR departments hype up their products!!!!!This is anarchy!!!!!!!"

Give me a fvckin break. I guess if you just found out Santa Claus isn't real this may come as a shock to one as well. The bottom line is its been in the open that its up to devs how to use the power given to them. Its Sony's fault they didn't say the same in regards to Pro.

I'm surprised they'd go for 1080p/60 over Checkerboard 4K/30. I don't think it's just Sony fans doing a negative spin; this machine is being hyped as a native 4K beast and we're already starting to see chinks in the armor. 6 Teraflops isn't going to be enough for all games, that's just reality. But, it will be enough for many games.

I do look forward to when there's ample power in consoles such that 4K truly becomes standard and developers don't even think to render at lower resolutions.

As an aside, this sounds like a crazy demanding game.

I saw this game yesterday and i think these devs are simply bad at coding,PS4 pro has enough power to run that shit looking game at 4K.

Nah, it's E3 week. The best time of the year!

This is a message board, people discuss/debate things. We won't agree all the time. I'm a very literal person. Hermits get me heated with this same stuff. "My PC runs that game maxed at 60 fps" (posts a video dropping in the 40s) "I meant average 60, you're being too literal." This is kinda that same thing I think. I see your side of the debate. My sticking point is the console is checkerboarding/upscaling because it doesn't have the hardware to run it natively. Assassins Creed was never considered at 4K I bet. They would have to run at lower settings than the base Xbox One to get there. So don't market the thing as a "true 4K" machine then!!! Sony did it too so don't take it as a System Wars thing.

I'm done. I'm gonna go watch John Wick 2 in 4K on my Xbox One S. Another "true 4K" machine I suppose.

@goldenelementxl: why are you going ape over this? It's been stated by MS multiple times that devs can use it's power however they want.