Avalanche Studios: PS4 will out-power PCs for years to come

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SDC , Godstation 4 , Elder Kaz , almighty 8gb of GDDR 5 , we are thankful.

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[QUOTE="BPoole96"][QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="tormentos"] http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/directx/ Yes i am the one with the damage control.:lol: Most steam players use 560TI..:lol: And a good margin even game Intel HD 3000 WTF what a joke.. That chart basically destroyed Hermits arguments,hermit love to talk about spec they don't support.. Most steam users on dual core CPU..:lol: But but Jaguar..

You seem to think that people who have Steam all use it for games.

You also have to factor in that many people also own laptops along with their desktops which get factored in. For example,I have a sh!tty MacBook from 2008 with a dualcore CPU, no discrete gpu, and 2GB DDR2 ram that can pretty much only run indie games or source engine games. That gets factored into the survey as well, but isn't representative of my desktop PC, which is many times more powerful. That would explain the abundance of Intel Integrated Graphics since many laptops just run that.

Same, I run Steam on my iMac, Macbook Pro 17in, my gaming desktop and my old Netbook.
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#103 Shadowchronicle
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Hermit damage control thread.
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]There are a lot of people on steam that just play TF2, CS, or Dota 2 which don't take very powerful PC's. So people make decisions based on their needs, but we still have the ability greatly out do the PS4tormentos
Yeah you can by using a great amount of money...

So what?

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Hermit damage control thread.shadowchronicle

I think the majority of the "damage control" was correcting TC, as he clearly has issues reading.

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Hermit damage control thread.shadowchronicle

Pretty much. Gonna suck for the hermits upgrading to play pretty console games. I wonder when they'll jump back to console gaming after joining the bandwagon this gen.

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[QUOTE="tormentos"]Yeah it doesn't erase the fact that the PS4 outdo most PC on steam quite easy,hell even the 7850 which is cheaper has a low penetrations,2 of the biggest the 560ti and 550ti both under power vs the PS4. That chart is an embarrassment to PC gamers,it show that hermits love to talk specs but when the time come to support that with their wallet ,they like it cheap,if anything many of the hermits would be better off with a PS4 than with their PC.lundy86_4

You realize that not all PC gamers use lower-end components, right? The majority of PC users on this board, utilize the components they talk about, and many post screens from their own computers. You're trying to attach the majority in the Steam HW survey to posters here, as you state they love to talk about specifications... Plus, we're on this board.

It's already apparent that the PS4 will outpower most PC's... Even lower-end gaming PC's. That's just obvious, Sherlock.

It's not even a majrotiy.  The consolites parading around that steam survey forget the fact that only about 11% of the entire survey's takers were using integrated chips.

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#108 NathanDrakeSwag
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:lol: at the fools who spend thousands for inferior graphics to play with a keyboard and mouse.

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[QUOTE="battlefieldfan4"]I know Liberal trash brainwash Americans into hating themselves for being so successful, but there is no other country as great as the USA and there is no other people that's better than Americans. We are the best and there is no other.tormentos
Americans are Europeans,Asians and Africans people should know their history,American was forge by the emigrants some hate so much now,unless your grand grand grand father was Sitting Bull the Indian you are a descendant of emigrants probably Europeans,i hate when US people actually try to claim the Americans as terminology to describe them self,Mexicans,Canadians and all the people from south and central America are Americans..

Learn to grammar.  Also, they are Americans because they are from the United States of America. The term can be used to describe both someone from the USA and someone from the Americas, but it is usually only used in the first case

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#110 lostrib
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:lol: at the fools who spend thousands for inferior graphics to play with a keyboard and mouse.

NathanDrakeSwag

I don't think you know what inferior means, since PC games have better graphics and performance. Blah blah, you can use a controller on PC

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It's not even a majrotiy.  The consolites parading around that steam survey forget the fact that only about 11% of the entire survey's takers were using integrated chips.

wis3boi

My bad. This is actually true... Whilst it is the highest figure for a singular hardware, in terms of mid-high end components, it's still behind.

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Nothing but hype. The PS4 and 720 are nothing but hype.
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#113 lostrib
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

It's not even a majrotiy.  The consolites parading around that steam survey forget the fact that only about 11% of the entire survey's takers were using integrated chips.

lundy86_4

My bad. This is actually true... Whilst it is the highest figure for a singular hardware, in terms of mid-high end components, it's still behind.

Yeah, it's because there are only a limited number of integrated chipsets like intel 3000/4000 but a vast number of discrete cards

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#114 Cranler
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TC left out that it will outpower most pc's. Same thing happens every gen although this time the PS 4 is comparable to a medium end pc while the 360 was comparable to a high end pc when it launched.

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PS4 will also out-power nextbox. Thank you Sony.

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#116 lostrib
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PS4 will also out-power nextbox. Thank you Sony.

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Benchmarks?

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#117 tormentos
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So what?

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Easy most gamers will not pay for it period..
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Learn to grammar.  Also, they are Americans because they are from the United States of America. The term can be used to describe both someone from the USA and someone from the Americas, but it is usually only used in the first caselostrib
Sorry grammar Nazi my first language is not English.
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]Learn to grammar.  Also, they are Americans because they are from the United States of America. The term can be used to describe both someone from the USA and someone from the Americas, but it is usually only used in the first casetormentos
Sorry grammar Nazi my first language is not English.

That would explain why half the crap you write doesnt make any sense

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[QUOTE="Giancar"]"Most" And this is true because the majority of PCs aren't made to have as gaming rigs. But the other part will beat the PS4 easily.

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#121 tormentos
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Benchmarks?lostrib
If the leaked specs hold into the end which appear to be the case,by a considerable margin.. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=536 The xbox 720 is say to have a 7770 and 1.2TF performance.. Now to be fair the xbox 720 with efficiency and all should out perform the 7770,but then again the PS4 GPU is stronger than the 7850 and will also be very efficient,and has faster memory to.
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For years to come? I'd make a claim right now to say within 4 years we will have tablets... possibly phones that are more powerful than the PS4. The platform of PC as we know it now is dying out and a new wave of technology is coming along. We are no longer as a mass market looking for uber powerful desktops that heat rooms, but we want excessive power in tablets and phones. The "PC" gaming I believe will see a large change in service ability soon, I believe that PC gaming will be the first to embrace streaming games. Example of this is Steam, that is years beyond what consoles have ever offered and the next logical step is what OnLive is really struggling to deliver.

The PS4 is almost already outdated in its business focus. People have shown with Iphones, Ipads, Call of Duty, WoW... anything that has annual or bi-annual updates people will buy. Saying to a consumer now "heres a piece of technology for the next 7 years..." Noone would want to buy a phone that they have to stick with for 7 years.

I am confident to say within the next 3 to 4 years we will see tablets that are just if not more powerful than the next gen consoles with PC gaming being the first to adopt a proper working streaming service. The rate that micro technology is increasing is massive. I heard a few years back that silicon boards are nearing their lifecycle as nano processes are reaching their finite size and thus will not get smaller but only bigger.

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[QUOTE="battlefieldfan4"]I know Liberal trash brainwash Americans into hating themselves for being so successful, but there is no other country as great as the USA and there is no other people that's better than Americans. We are the best and there is no other.tormentos
Americans are Europeans,Asians and Africans people should know their history,American was forge by the emigrants some hate so much now,unless your grand grand grand father was Sitting Bull the Indian you are a descendant of emigrants probably Europeans,i hate when US people actually try to claim the Americans as terminology to describe them self,Mexicans,Canadians and all the people from south and central America are Americans..

What do you want people from the USA to call themselves then? The country's name is the United States of America. It doesn't really work if we call our selves Unitedians or Statetonians, etc. If you ask someone from Canada or Mexico what they call themselves they will say Mexican or Canadian. If you ask someone from the United States of America, they will say they are American.

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For years to come? I'd make a claim right now to say within 4 years we will have tablets... possibly phones that are more powerful than the PS4. The platform of PC as we know it now is dying out and a new wave of technology is coming along. We are no longer as a mass market looking for uber powerful desktops that heat rooms, but we want excessive power in tablets and phones. The "PC" gaming I believe will see a large change in service ability soon, I believe that PC gaming will be the first to embrace streaming games. Example of this is Steam, that is years beyond what consoles have ever offered and the next logical step is what OnLive is really struggling to deliver.

 

The PS4 is almost already outdated in its business focus. People have shown with Iphones, Ipads, Call of Duty, WoW... anything that has annual or bi-annual updates people will buy. Saying to a consumer now "heres a piece of technology for the next 7 years..." Noone would want to buy a phone that they have to stick with for 7 years.

 

I am confident to say within the next 3 to 4 years we will see tablets that are just if not more powerful than the next gen consoles with PC gaming being the first to adopt a proper working streaming service. The rate that micro technology is increasing is massive. I heard a few years back that silicon boards are nearing their lifecycle as nano processes are reaching their finite size and thus will not get smaller but only bigger.

o0squishy0o

Nonsense..no PC gamer that has used one for any amount of time will go with a streaming service EVER!,that means saying goodbye to mods and hosting your own servers and basically anything else that most pc gamers do,and that just will not happen

Also the desktop pc will not die you need large cases to house the high end hardware, and that creates loads of heat ..people are not just gonna give it all up and start playing on tablets or small streaming boxes,also how is the PC as we know it dying out when it has been growing year on year for a while now??

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What do you want people from the USA to call themselves then? The country's name is the United States of America. It doesn't really work if we call our selves Unitedians or Statetonians, etc. If you ask someone from Canada or Mexico what they call themselves they will say Mexican or Canadian. If you ask someone from the United States of America, they will say they are American.ferret-gamer
Mexican,Canadians south and central Americans are all Americans.. In fact those are more Americans that US Americans,at least Mexicans,and south and central Americans most descend from Indians rather than emigrants.
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:lol: at the fools who spend thousands for inferior graphics to play with a keyboard and mouse.

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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] What do you want people from the USA to call themselves then? The country's name is the United States of America. It doesn't really work if we call our selves Unitedians or Statetonians, etc. If you ask someone from Canada or Mexico what they call themselves they will say Mexican or Canadian. If you ask someone from the United States of America, they will say they are American.tormentos
Mexican,Canadians south and central Americans are all Americans.. In fact those are more Americans that US Americans,at least Mexicans,and south and central Americans most descend from Indians rather than emigrants.

You did not answer my question at all. Again, the country's name is the United States of America. What do you want us to call ourselves?

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[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] What do you want people from the USA to call themselves then? The country's name is the United States of America. It doesn't really work if we call our selves Unitedians or Statetonians, etc. If you ask someone from Canada or Mexico what they call themselves they will say Mexican or Canadian. If you ask someone from the United States of America, they will say they are American.battlefieldfan4

Mexican,Canadians south and central Americans are all Americans.. In fact those are more Americans that US Americans,at least Mexicans,and south and central Americans most descend from Indians rather than emigrants.

There is only 1 American and it's the people of the USA. Don't compare 3rd world trash to us.

And they wonder why the rest of the world hates America.
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[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] What do you want people from the USA to call themselves then? The country's name is the United States of America. It doesn't really work if we call our selves Unitedians or Statetonians, etc. If you ask someone from Canada or Mexico what they call themselves they will say Mexican or Canadian. If you ask someone from the United States of America, they will say they are American.battlefieldfan4

Mexican,Canadians south and central Americans are all Americans.. In fact those are more Americans that US Americans,at least Mexicans,and south and central Americans most descend from Indians rather than emigrants.

There is only 1 American and it's the people of the USA. Don't compare 3rd world trash to us.

I approve of this poster.

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#131 Mozuckint
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You know...for someone who works in tech related fields, you'd think he wouldn't be so oblivious to the rapid advancement of technology.

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They said most PC's.

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#133 buccomatic
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because of the 8GB's of GDDR5 ram.

Herms be jelly [spoiler] and butthurt :cool: [/spoiler]

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yeah. it's going to out power pc for years to come because half the hardware on it is already 2 year old technology. herp derp
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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] What do you want people from the USA to call themselves then? The country's name is the United States of America. It doesn't really work if we call our selves Unitedians or Statetonians, etc. If you ask someone from Canada or Mexico what they call themselves they will say Mexican or Canadian. If you ask someone from the United States of America, they will say they are American.tormentos
Mexican,Canadians south and central Americans are all Americans.. In fact those are more Americans that US Americans,at least Mexicans,and south and central Americans most descend from Indians rather than emigrants.

It can be used both ways.  And your point about "emigrants" is dumb, it's used to describe someone's country of origin or citizenship not where their ancestors are from 

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[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="mrmcygan"]

makes sense, the majority of people PC gamers only have 1GB of VRAM. At 34.54%

Also the most popular graphics card is the Intel HD Graphics 3000

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crippledmachine

Wow if that graph is accurate that is one of the biggest jokes ever.. So much fighting and GPU like the 7970 are 0.84% of the GPU use on steam..Wow The 560TI which the PS4 would beat quite easy,so much crap and PC gamers prefer low end GPU..:lol:

At first I was having a hard time trying to understand it, because Steam is where all PC games are and it's a gaming platform. I expected to see better hardware...

Then I knew that high-end hardware isn't needed to run games. I can still play games with a GTX 260 today and it's possible by turning down the graphical settings. Many people seems happy to play games at Low settings, given the information from Steam statistics. That's what makes PC gaming great - options and freedom. You can do whatever the hell you want with it. Low settings, Medium or High, or a mixture of them. Any pieces of PC hardware are acceptable.

 

I have a gaming PC that is significantly less powerfull than rumored PS4 specs and I can max out 90% of gameswith good framerate. I.e. only 10 % of games would use more power than my PC has. And pretty much not a single game uses more power than PS4 will have.

In other words - having PC that is theoretically more powerful than PS4 is useless because noone makes games for it.

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[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] What do you want people from the USA to call themselves then? The country's name is the United States of America. It doesn't really work if we call our selves Unitedians or Statetonians, etc. If you ask someone from Canada or Mexico what they call themselves they will say Mexican or Canadian. If you ask someone from the United States of America, they will say they are American.battlefieldfan4

Mexican,Canadians south and central Americans are all Americans.. In fact those are more Americans that US Americans,at least Mexicans,and south and central Americans most descend from Indians rather than emigrants.

There is only 1 American and it's the people of the USA. Don't compare 3rd world trash to us.

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Great news guess dat GDDR5 cant be stopped.

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Doesn't take much to outpower "most" PCs even today. The PS3/360 are still way more capable gaming machines than 90% of the computers on the market.

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#139 Gue1
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Great news guess dat GDDR5 cant be stopped.

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you better believe it  :cool:

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#140 Rocker6
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[QUOTE="Rocker6"]Cool, the power of that chart just pulled out my 670, and replaced it with an Intel 3000.

Sadly, you still haven't changed the fact how your PS4 will be an equivalent of a low-end gaming PC this time next year...

tormentos

No but it showed that most PC gamers think with their wallet first,and talk to much sh**,i don't even want to know the adoption rate of SSD,since using a normal drive and using that money to actually boost the GPU is a much better idea.

Why not have both?

It's very much possible to have an SSD and a high-end GPU...

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There is only 1 American and it's the people of the USA. Don't compare 3rd world trash to us.

battlefieldfan4
That is quite offensive, you know that? Oh, and Tormentos, better ignore that. You will never change the fact that the people from the US call themselves americans.
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#142 muscleserge
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Oh WOW, why must we go through this every gen, last gen the same threads were popping up, Teh PC gaminz dead, teh cell, teh xenos, etc, etc... Last gen though the architecture in the consoles was different, this time around the new consoles are basically stripped down PCs with PC parts. I am very happy that PS4 and the next xbox are PCs, this means that ports will have way fewer issues, multiplats will be designed to the advantages of each platform way easier, PCs with AMD GPUs will run console ports way better, and finally we will see games with scale. Sure the consoles aren't super powerful by todays standards, but architecture wise they will only benefit PC gaming. I'll proly get the new consoles mid cycle and stick to my phenom x6 and hd7970 for as long as I can play games at 1080p which should be quite awhile, especially if the 7850 rumors about the PS4 are true. I still have 360 and PS3 games to beet which should drop in price by the launch, along with countless PC games I have yet to even install. All in all, I expect PC graphics to take a very noticeable leap, think about it, right now devs are going to be designing games from the top down instead of bottom up. First comes the PC with highest quality assets, effects etc, next come the consoles with reduced assets etc, and since architecture wise the new consoles are the same as PC, this type of design strategy would be very cost effective, and I expect it to become the industry standard.
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basement dweller TC self-owned once again :cool:
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#144 1-UPking82
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I don't really care if it does or not, what matters to me is dev support and optimization and consoles always have this advantage. A raw PC though if you are willing to spend a lot of money on it will be more powerful than consoles, but that depends on how much you are willing to invest.
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#145 killzowned24
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Sounds good. And lol at those steam stats,just proves how few the hermits are with any real power.
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Sounds good. And lol at those steam stats,just proves how few the hermits are with any real power.killzowned24

Yeah... Forcing MS to stop charging for Games for Windows Live with so few? Sh*t, son!

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#147 clyde46
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Sounds good. And lol at those steam stats,just proves how few the hermits are with any real power.killzowned24
Steam can be installed on anything now. Of course you aren't going to get all the latest hardware. Jesus Christ some people really are brain dead here.
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[QUOTE="killzowned24"]Sounds good. And lol at those steam stats,just proves how few the hermits are with any real power.clyde46
Steam can be installed on anything now. Of course you aren't going to get all the latest hardware. Jesus Christ some people really are brain dead here.

Less than 1 percent have a GTX 680 and only 0.60% have 3gb of vram.
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#149 FashionFreak
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I bet one core on ps4 cpu is weaker than one of my core on my computer lol.

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I bet all 8 cores on ps4 cpu is weaker than one of my core on my computer lol.

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#150 clyde46
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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]Sounds good. And lol at those steam stats,just proves how few the hermits are with any real power.killzowned24
Steam can be installed on anything now. Of course you aren't going to get all the latest hardware. Jesus Christ some people really are brain dead here.

Less than 1 percent have a GTX 680 and only 0.60% have 3gb of vram.

And? Steam has over 5 million users that are logged in at anyone time. Not everyone who games on PC runs the latest and greatest. How many times must we say that for you to actually understand it. Hell I'm logged in to my Steam account right now on my Macbook Pro!