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#251 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]Thankfully I'm not under powered against the PS4.=3tormentos
Which is fine sadly you are in a great great great minority..

I know, it sucks, wish more PC owners could get stronger rigs!
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#252 crippledmachine
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[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

This, his cop-out is a joke. Why ignore one of the most recognizable PC traits, its open nature in both hardware and software? :?

Rocker6

There's two sides in every debate and they tend to ignore why many of us buy gaming PCs. It games and it also does everything else.

Gaming PC = console(s) + non-gaming PC (or equivalent tablet, laptop, etc).

Edit:

To me, the prices for both concepts are roughly equal.

Yeah, defintely.

My PC gives me a very pleasant gaming experience, and it's very fast and responsive for normal use, and for when I need to get some work done. The hardware was much more expensive than consoles, but I find the investment highly worthwhile, and that's what matters the most.

Agreed. My PC gives me a happy face every time I play too.

Cheap games makes up the cost for hardware, so it's debatable when console gamers start putting "PC gaming is expensive" into the picture. It's kind of ironic of the peasants when their games are pricey! Stepping up from PS3 to PS4 is like buying a new GPU for the PC, again, it's ironic when they say "Urgh, you have to upgrade the PC... too much hassle and it costs money".

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#253 Wasdie  Moderator
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It's like people here ignore everything I say and continue to make idiotic and ignorant comments. It's rather pathetic.

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#254 Rocker6
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It's like people here ignore everything I say and continue to make idiotic and ignorant comments. It's rather pathetic.

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Hm, what did we do now?

Just posting for the sake of posting, sorry if I said something exceptionally stupid... :P

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#255 tormentos
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i wont drop it, my argument is not silly,

i simply pointed out that you have absolutely no idea how much it'll cost, that you are guessing / hoping,  what is silly there?

i didn't expect to see the steam box retail at $1000..... did you?.

now your point there about kutaragi's "it'll be expensive" is silly, because that statement is  subjective.     how much is "expensive"?

sts106mat
"The architecture choice we have made this time around has allowed us not to invest to create dedicated factories and conducting factories and things like that so that helps in order for us to provide an affordable price to consumers." http://gamingeverything.com/40956/ps4-will-be-affordable-says-sonys-yoshida/ You are telling me that i am hoping yet your are the one who came with an idiotic price.? So yeah last time sony say the PS3 wold be expensive and it was,now they are saying it will be affordable so i have no reason to doubt it. The PS4 will not pass $400 in US. I can believe how hypocrite your are,so when Kutaragy say people would have to get 2 jobs and say that the PS3 was going to be expensive now most be take as something subjective.? But a few months ago and ever since launch the comment has been take as arrogant,and one of sony worst mistakes. Here is the reason the PS4 will not be $600.. No Cell $100+ on launch. No over priced Nvidia GPU,$100+ non launch. No new expensive media (blu-ray back on launch) $100+ as well.. This time the APU inside the PS4 will cost less than Cell alone,in fact is been rumored at $80 dollars for both CPU and GPU,the only thing expensive is GDDR5 which is say to cost sony like $120 or less for 8GB... You can continue your worthless argument the PS4 will not be $600.
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#256 tormentos
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I know, it sucks, wish more PC owners could get stronger rigs!mitu123
I wish to but for me is a loss of money,i play more on consoles now,i use to play allot on PC i remember one of the first cards i have a Rage 128 fury,it was so good and gave me so much play time.
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#258 Sagem28
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I seriously doubt that, AS.

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#259 AlexKidd5000
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[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

There's two sides in every debate and they tend to ignore why many of us buy gaming PCs. It games and it also does everything else.

Gaming PC = console(s) + non-gaming PC (or equivalent tablet, laptop, etc).

Edit:

To me, the prices for both concepts are roughly equal.

crippledmachine

Yeah, defintely.

My PC gives me a very pleasant gaming experience, and it's very fast and responsive for normal use, and for when I need to get some work done. The hardware was much more expensive than consoles, but I find the investment highly worthwhile, and that's what matters the most.

Agreed. My PC gives me a happy face every time I play too.

Cheap games makes up the cost for hardware, so it's debatable when console gamers start putting "PC gaming is expensive" into the picture. It's kind of ironic of the peasants when their games are pricey! Stepping up from PS3 to PS4 is like buying a new GPU for the PC, again, it's ironic when they say "Urgh, you have to upgrade the PC... too much hassle and it costs money".

And next gen console games are rumored to start costing $70. I'll stick to PC gaming, as PC games tend to cost no more than $50, and even new titles usually cost $40.
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#260 lostrib
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[QUOTE="Timbury"] The hermits you keep talking about are on this forum, hermits is a system wars term not Steam. Most display their specs in sigs and most have rigs that easily outgun a PS4. So why do you keep making sweeping generalisations and grouping users on the board with Steam?tormentos
There is no easily outgunning the PS4 for a few years dude,the GPU on the PS4 can run most PC games max out now in 1080p quite easy,the only real advantage PC gamers will have is more frames per second.. And you have to spend way more than what a PS4 will cost,there is no mid range crap kicking the PS4,prepare to see some parity from now on,on PC vs consoles for at least 3 years.. Also don't talk like no one here is on Steam or should i go post hunting because Hermit have use Steam vs PSN,and Live so much times is quite easy to find.

it can? source? Benchmarks?

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#261 lostrib
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[QUOTE="sts106mat"]i wont drop it, my argument is not silly,

i simply pointed out that you have absolutely no idea how much it'll cost, that you are guessing / hoping,  what is silly there?

i didn't expect to see the steam box retail at $1000..... did you?.

now your point there about kutaragi's "it'll be expensive" is silly, because that statement is  subjective.     how much is "expensive"?

tormentos

"The architecture choice we have made this time around has allowed us not to invest to create dedicated factories and conducting factories and things like that so that helps in order for us to provide an affordable price to consumers." http://gamingeverything.com/40956/ps4-will-be-affordable-says-sonys-yoshida/ You are telling me that i am hoping yet your are the one who came with an idiotic price.? So yeah last time sony say the PS3 wold be expensive and it was,now they are saying it will be affordable so i have no reason to doubt it. The PS4 will not pass $400 in US. I can believe how hypocrite your are,so when Kutaragy say people would have to get 2 jobs and say that the PS3 was going to be expensive now most be take as something subjective.? But a few months ago and ever since launch the comment has been take as arrogant,and one of sony worst mistakes. Here is the reason the PS4 will not be $600.. No Cell $100+ on launch. No over priced Nvidia GPU,$100+ non launch. No new expensive media (blu-ray back on launch) $100+ as well.. This time the APU inside the PS4 will cost less than Cell alone,in fact is been rumored at $80 dollars for both CPU and GPU,the only thing expensive is GDDR5 which is say to cost sony like $120 or less for 8GB... You can continue your worthless argument the PS4 will not be $600.

 

Source? Confirmation?

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#262 tormentos
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>Source? Confirmation?lostrib
Same one you have if you actually doubt it.. Is going to be more affordable period.
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#263 lostrib
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]>Source? Confirmation?tormentos
Same one you have if you actually doubt it.. Is going to be more affordable period.

Yeah, that's not the same as a confirmation that it will be $400 or less

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#264 Mr_BillGates
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Dear High end PC owners,

Run High settings in 2012, goes to low settings in 2013.

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#265 lostrib
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Dear High end PC owners,

Run High settings in 2012, goes to low settings in 2013.

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Mr_BillGates

STill looks better than console!

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#266 tormentos
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[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="sts106mat"]i wont drop it, my argument is not silly,

i simply pointed out that you have absolutely no idea how much it'll cost, that you are guessing / hoping,  what is silly there?

i didn't expect to see the steam box retail at $1000..... did you?.

now your point there about kutaragi's "it'll be expensive" is silly, because that statement is  subjective.     how much is "expensive"?

sts106mat

"The architecture choice we have made this time around has allowed us not to invest to create dedicated factories and conducting factories and things like that so that helps in order for us to provide an affordable price to consumers." http://gamingeverything.com/40956/ps4-will-be-affordable-says-sonys-yoshida/ You are telling me that i am hoping yet your are the one who came with an idiotic price.? So yeah last time sony say the PS3 wold be expensive and it was,now they are saying it will be affordable so i have no reason to doubt it. The PS4 will not pass $400 in US. I can believe how hypocrite your are,so when Kutaragy say people would have to get 2 jobs and say that the PS3 was going to be expensive now most be take as something subjective.? But a few months ago and ever since launch the comment has been take as arrogant,and one of sony worst mistakes. Here is the reason the PS4 will not be $600.. No Cell $100+ on launch. No over priced Nvidia GPU,$100+ non launch. No new expensive media (blu-ray back on launch) $100+ as well.. This time the APU inside the PS4 will cost less than Cell alone,in fact is been rumored at $80 dollars for both CPU and GPU,the only thing expensive is GDDR5 which is say to cost sony like $120 or less for 8GB... You can continue your worthless argument the PS4 will not be $600.

Tormentos "PS4 WILL NOT PASS $400 in US".   that is worth sigging    

EDIT Lol,  even your own link disagrees with your argument 

 Speculation about the price of the upcoming PS4 has already surfaced, and one rumor says that there will be two models: One priced at $429 and one priced at $529. I dont believe the rumor has much more clout than an educating guess, but chances are the device will fall somewhere within that price range.

 

 also,  you seem to be assuming that just because there is no cell that means they will sell it cheaper.    Sony stuff is always priced highly in comparison to competitors products.  

Lol,  even your own link disagrees with your argument 

 Speculation about the price of the upcoming PS4 has already surfaced, and one rumor says that there will be two models: One priced at $429 and one priced at $529. I dont believe the rumor has much more clout than an educating guess, but chances are the device will fall somewhere within that price range.

The links rumors not what Yoshida claimed.. ""We were told that Sonys aim with Orbis is to avoid problems involved in launching PS3 by creating something very affordable but that isnt a slouch" http://www.vg247.com/2012/11/01/ps4_details_playstation_4/ ""Before, weve heard rumors that the console will move at $400, but one analyst isnt so sure that would cut it. Inside Networks Billy Pidgeon had this to say to Games Industry International: Id like to see maybe two models, one under $300 and one under $400 would be ideal. $299 is the magic price point. I think this current generation took way too long to get there. It has to be under $400 and honestly if they could subsidize it further and take more of a hit, it might be worth their while in the long run." http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2013/02/25/analyst-calls-299-magic-price-point-for-ps4/ Keep your fanboy wish alive the PS4 will not be expensive.
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#267 tormentos
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[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="lostrib"]>Source? Confirmation?lostrib

Same one you have if you actually doubt it.. Is going to be more affordable period.

Yeah, that's not the same as a confirmation that it will be $400 or less

Not is not it could be even cheaper.. Considering how much the PS3 cost to manufacture and for what it was sold,this console should have no problem selling at $400 with minimal or no loss at all. People who think the PS4 will be over $400 are just haters,why didn't you quote sts106mat and ask him for a link to were it say the PS4 would cost $1,000 which is the quote that started the argument. So you think the PS4 will be $1,000 i didn't see you asking links,maybe is more believable for you $1,000 than $400..
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#268 lostrib
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] Same one you have if you actually doubt it.. Is going to be more affordable period.tormentos

Yeah, that's not the same as a confirmation that it will be $400 or less

Not is not it could be even cheaper.. Considering how much the PS3 cost to manufacture and for what it was sold,this console should have no problem selling at $400 with minimal or no loss at all. People who think the PS4 will be over $400 are just haters,why didn't you quote sts106mat and ask him for a link to were it say the PS4 would cost $1,000 which is the quote that started the argument. So you think the PS4 will be $1,000 i didn't see you asking links,maybe is more believable for you $1,000 than $400..

I didnt see it. I think 400-500 may be the price point, or two different setups (different hard drives, or packaged games) with one around 400 and one above.  But still no confirmation that it will be $400

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#269 tormentos
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I'm talking about Crysis PC not the gimped consol version, tell me one game on consoles that come anywhere close to it. Just to shut you up Crysis has 1GB of textures alone. Tell me console optimization make the RAM bigger too. :roll:zeeshanhaider
No and that is why sony is using 8GB of GDDR5,so that the PS4 doesn't suffer from ram starvation,running Crysis on consoles is a marvel so is Skyrim,those games use allot of ram for consoles to compensate. Try to run Crysis 3 on a 7800GTX with 256 MB of system ram and 256MB of vram and then talk to us....
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#271 L0mak
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Amusing to see that console owners still don't know how to read and comprehend the English language. Thanks for the laugh OP was good times.

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#272 Mr720fan
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hermits have never been so distraught, who cares about hermits, they are not even considered anymore.

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#274 MonsieurX
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lol most PC's dont even have 8 gigs of ram... fail... hermits are pissedxboxiphoneps3
Link?
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lol, he meant most PCs, not most gaming PCs.
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#276 Jankarcop
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This is Cell all over again..

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#277 Jankarcop
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hermits have never been so distraught, who cares about hermits, they are not even considered anymore.

Mr720fan

More gamers, more developers (GDC POLL), more games, more sales.

 

Not considered.

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#278 scoots9
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But it doesn't even match up to my 3 1/2 year old computer

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#279 jackfruitchips
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He's a cow for sure :lol:
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#280 nameless12345
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makes sense, the majority of people PC gamers only have 1GB of VRAM. At 34.54%

Also the most popular graphics card is the Intel HD Graphics 3000

Link

 

mrmcygan

 

PC gaming held back by the low-end PCs confirmed.

Looks like my threads were right all along...

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#281 jun_aka_pekto
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because of the 8GB's of GDDR5 ram.

Herms be jelly [spoiler] and butthurt :cool: [/spoiler]

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If "most PCs" mean my old Toshiba laptop and netbook? Sure. Seriously, this 8gb DDR5 thing is becoming more and more like the present day version of magic beans. :lol:

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#282 Tessellation
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this thread and TC got butchered,owned whatever you want to call it :cool:
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#283 zeeshanhaider
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[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="gpuking"] You're right, it's most likely even more efficient as the quote confirmes from the hermit god himself lol.gpuking

How is he a "hermit god"?

He didn't have much of an impact on the PC market this gen, and he can't live forever on the old glory. He did a lot for the PC gaming back in the day and I respect his contributions, but nowdays, he's not that relevant, sadly.

That said, hope he steps up the game next gen, I'd love to see more of his work...

Just because he didn't make a splash this gen doesn't mean he wont nextgen. Besides Tim Lotte said the same and his fxaa should be relevant enough.

Oh wait, so the mighty MLAA you love to brag about is going away since Sony first party is now moving to FXAA? What happened to all the MLAA is better than 16x MSAA crap?

And about Cramck, well I have respect for the guy without him we would be where we are today, but that guy got lost up a long ago. I still remember him talking about SVO is a technology he wants to base on ID tech 6 and technology (hardware) for sucha thing doesn't exist yet while Crytek was using SVO in CE3 since 2009 and was the first engine to do that now even UE4 uses that.

So, right now I take Crytek words over it. And in anyway, PS4 hardware is already outdated compare to even midrange PC hardware that is availavle today I can only imagine what would happen by the time PS4 releases.;) Stay butthurt.

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#284 zeeshanhaider
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[QUOTE="zeeshanhaider"]

GTX 670 alone 2.5 teraflops.

Entire PS4 1.8 teraflops.

Yup, it will crush PCs. Console optimization combine with Sony first part devs magic somehow make it run at 999999999999999 teraflops. :roll:

inb4 bu....bu....8GZ of GDDG5 of RAMZZZZZ

gpuking

I'm sorry but you're too dense to understand a simple concept, I wont bother replying to you nemore.

What...? Did I forget to put an extra 9?

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#285 Tessellation
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[QUOTE="gpuking"][QUOTE="zeeshanhaider"]

GTX 670 alone 2.5 teraflops.

Entire PS4 1.8 teraflops.

Yup, it will crush PCs. Console optimization combine with Sony first part devs magic somehow make it run at 999999999999999 teraflops. :roll:

inb4 bu....bu....8GZ of GDDG5 of RAMZZZZZ

zeeshanhaider

I'm sorry but you're too dense to understand a simple concept, I wont bother replying to you nemore.

What...? Did I forget to put an extra 9?

don't worry he is butthurt by nature :cool:
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#286 zeeshanhaider
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[QUOTE="zeeshanhaider"]I'm talking about Crysis PC not the gimped consol version, tell me one game on consoles that come anywhere close to it. Just to shut you up Crysis has 1GB of textures alone. Tell me console optimization make the RAM bigger too. :roll:tormentos
No and that is why sony is using 8GB of GDDR5,so that the PS4 doesn't suffer from ram starvation,running Crysis on consoles is a marvel so is Skyrim,those games use allot of ram for consoles to compensate. Try to run Crysis 3 on a 7800GTX with 256 MB of system ram and 256MB of vram and then talk to us....

Why should we? We are not bounded by fixed hardware.

And I ask about Crysis 1 because of the silly comment of 2x the power of PCs and I think it was reasonable if consoles were really 2x the power of PCs, we should have seen Crysis on Consoles or heck something even remotely close to it.

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#287 imprezawrx500
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That's what is said everytime a new console comes out. Give it a year and pc will be miles ahead again, bigger problem is give it a few years and phones might have caught up.
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#288 nextgenjoke
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My emachines is already a generation ahead of ps4.

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#289 nextgenjoke
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Ps4 cant touch this x8 super sampling anti aliasing x16 anisotropic filtering 1080p.